Pipeline Life Series - Video 2: How much money will I be making?

[@xterra951king]

I’m a Truck driver driver I lump boxed of food to restaurants I work around 50-60 hours a week home every day and made 90k last year it’s a tough job I’m proud of my job and wouldn’t trade it for anything else

[@Oilfieldscout]

Depends. $50 to 80 on the arm, $30 to 50 on the rig. $125 to 200 per diem. OT on the arm, straight on the rig. The welding school is good as long as you get a Associates Degree. Big City in NE Oklahoma Welding School will get you hired on single hand working steucture. You want to do pipelining find a welder and get on with them as their helper. No I dont know any. Do your own hustling. You will need to spend 3 to 5 years as a helper learning the ropes and accumulating $$ to rig out. Then learn laying out for the butt-n-branch. Then you drive 2,000 miles for the test. You put the bead in and the inspector puts his hand on your shoulder and you hear " Hand. This is not your day. Spool up."

[@zackzander425]

McLane?

[@thegentlemenrat3727]

I watch this on my school break from welding school your videos give me the confidence get into pipeline after school keep it up !

[@johnrecaptcha4504]

this might be a great short term plan for someone who is financially disciplined and wants to squirrel away a chunk of change for something else. Like come out there, work for a few years, take your savings and open up a business. If you're smart, you won't live like you're rich because oil is a boom and bust industry.

[@mikediamond437]

More boom than bust unless you’re drilling

[@danielkustra9071]

For those who can't do math. He makes 15 THOUSAND.. A MONTH. Before tax.

[@jeepoverlanders3851]

Thanks

[@handicapitation3250]

PSHHHH

[@brandonlifefamily8331]

Your math is way way off sorry.

[@jeepwk6.5L]

Lol I haven’t watched the video yet but if that’s it then I’ll stick with what I’m doing. I make that without living in a camper not seeing my family.

[@handicapitation3250]

@@jeepwk6.5L if you make 15k a month then why the F are you even watching this video?

[@deaconfay-worthington4139]

As a Union laborer, who also works on pipeline, I make $28.28 60-70hrs a WK. 100$ a day, Saturday- Sunday being time and a half(roughly $42 a HR), a paycheck for me is about $4,200 a week. It's a great opportunity if you get the chance, take it. But remember laborer hands work hard, sometimes you'll have easy days, some days you'll feel dead at the end of the day. Just always remember working pipeline, or any job for that matter, safety is #1 priority.

[@jrounds27]

Hey hippie. What's your local. I'm in Ga and the plant I'm at is shutting down 2 departments which means I'll be out of a job soon. I've been looking at getting into pipeline for a while now. Was hoping I could transfer to a sister union somewhere. I have plenty of construction and various heavy equipment experience. Is there a local you could recommend. Thanks in advance for any input.

[@jrounds27]

P.s.not looking for someone to speak for me or get me a job, and I dont mind starting at the bottom. Is there any other company's non union you could recomend also. Kinda in a bind and recommendations is much appreciated. Thanks again for any input.

[@deaconfay-worthington4139]

We're located in North Dakota and they're always taking people in.

[@jrounds27]

@@deaconfay-worthington4139 thank you

[@ballathug8404]

Can you explain your math? How do you get 4200 in 1 week? That would be $42 an hour for 100 hours lol

[@dragoninwinter]

I worked 13 years in a logging business and I don't know for sure, but I'd say this is harder work. These guys earn it.

[@SaltySouthTexan]

Good dude, but a mathematician he is not

[@javierrodriguez4615]

Thanks for being so humble in making these informative videos for us. God bless.

[@ethanpeden3011]

Sittin in a hotel in MO atm, got rained out this morning. Got 55 miles of 16” left to weld. Bout to go shop, rain day=spend day

[@rigweldernomad932]

Are they testing any welders?

[@leannaf1635]

It's a good job. My son left Florida to go to Wyoming to work pipeline he started out welders helper 25 a hour ,150 a day perdiem he loves it.work slowed down because of snow went from working 7 days a week to my be 2 days a week his wife works with hem she does fire watch 17 hour 150 a day perdiem

[@dvbs3608]

Leanna F does every pipeline worker get perdiem?

[@alexpadilla8213]

Dvbs I started with no experience at 18 with 90$ perdiem and I only live 30 minutes away from my job. Every place gives perdiem but the pay ranges depending on what company you work for

[@darthdarthbinkss]

@@alexpadilla8213 What would you recommend to do to get started?

[@kamikaze2666]

You really got me thinking beau

[@nickd5987]

Triple H?

[@colebilly3766]

Hell yea Mississippi boy / union 798 helper here from bay springs Ben in since 18 and gitting ready to brake out I’m now 21 put in my time and it’s a family tradition my paw was a welder my dad is a welder and who knows my son might be a welder the numbers are a little different on union side for a helper but all and all we all in the same trade and I know I love it so love what this guys doing and hope it helps all of y’all #moreovertimemoremoney 🤟🤟🤟

[@jake1dirigo]

As a journeyman carpenter from stl Missouri. I make 41.58 straight time. And I get to be home everyday.

[@youreverydayperson4819]

Hey I'm from Mississippi too.

[@dj_6ix20two6]

Nothing but respect to the gentleman and everyone who pursues this trade. But if you want great money, learn a trade, and be able to come home every night, look into Line work. The Powerline trade. Much greater outlook. It’s a trade you can master and become certified in. I’m 22 live in Southern California. I’m a groundman and make $36 an hour $72 an hour after 8 hrs. 2 grand a week. It does take a few certifications to get hired but nothing to hard. Mainly your class A license. I recommend it to anyone who wants to learn a physical trade. Again respect to all you pipeline workers.

[@flyerfan5350]

Union trades make 90k a year for local work 40 hr weeks

[@johncamp7679]

We also get overtime per day, you don’t have to get 40 hrs first. If we work 10 to 12 hours a day we get 2 to 4 overtime hours that day.

[@giogiovanni9530]

Just subscribed to your channel. Appreciate the free game. Wish you many blessings!

[@iknow4913]

You make it sound very easy to get those jobs. It’s not as simple ass going on indeed and applying. You need to know ppl who know ppl

[@juantrejo7686]

I can't find the third vid..

[@jake1dirigo]

That’s why right to work sucks! Unions are the way to go! Safety training is everything.

[@ckryegrass11]

Big number on the check but it costs a ton of money to live on the road. 4 to 5 employers in a year? Gotta up and move each time from one crap motel to the next.

[@MrSVTc0bra]

Does Video 3 explain how often will I get arrested?

[@Beau_knows]

MrSVTc0bra no, but I can do a video on proper sentence structure

[@oneway19781]

I really want to get a pipe line job I’m forty and I want to use my life to live something for my daughter can you help I want to become an operator

[@a727m8]

Damn man. This guy looks lifeless in his eyes. Hardened.

[@frankbob4043]

These videos are awesome, thx brother!

[@treydallas903]

Thanks Beau!

[@johanndiedericks2877]

Thank you so much for your honesty. Great video.

[@dzortizi1]

Thank you for sharing. This is intriguing.

[@6.6boti]

Sheesh I’m gonna be a pipeline welder in a year or so 🥶

[@Thecaster4545]

Update

[@CanIgetSuscriberswithnov-ci3dw]

Update

[@ethanhilgedick4386]

Will a heavy equipment operating certificate and class A CDL get me in the operators seat immediately on the pipeline or would I still have to work my way up?

[@haanshagnasty6974]

I'm an operator / cdl driver. Most places dont care if you went to operator school. They'll start you labouring. Maybe a year maybe 5.

[@kuzain73]

Quick question based on your experience I’d like some advice, I’ve been working as a project estimator for oil and gas for a year now(steel, pipe, and electrical) I want to venture into a field/project engineer job. I worked as a labor hand in Laporte Texas at a site for a contractor and when they found out I was going to school the moved me over to the corporate office. I’m graduating in a few months and want to make the change from refinery work to pipeline work. I’m 24 single all my siblings are married and have kids. So moving out to make money seems like an obvious choice. Should I go in as a labor hand and then try to make my way into a higher paying job? Or should I keep applying online ? I haven’t gotten any bites back yet

[@TheDrill65]

Stay single and dont lose focus until you've bought a few rental properties. Good job young man 👍

[@homeschoolingandawareness]

Yah! That is real money. Around $15000 monthly before tax. Good going. 👊🏿👍🏿

[@jordanbailey300]

What happened to them boys who drove all the way up there to get jobs?? Did they get hired?

[@Beau_knows]

jordan bailey they are out here working.

[@FaZeGaWKs]

he was lying bout that shit to make himself look like a great guy

[@shanearthur5108]

Sounds like the pay sucks down south..

[@civicpride1986]

It is but cost of living is cheaper.. you can find nice houses for 120k.

[@samuelm214]

@@civicpride1986not anymore

[@civicpride1986]

@@samuelm214 I know, it all went to crap after my post 4 years ago.

[@gunnarrrauch2575]

I'm ready to work

[@claybo069]

You got a good job !!

[@markwalsh1957]

Quick question This maybe a little more about a trade. I've been in the oil field/Pipelines for about a year now and I've been given my pipefitting hours even for pipeline labor work which is great but I actually want to be a contractor, do I need to be a Journeyman to be a contractor or do you think companies would hire you on as a apprentice? This is why I actually like Operating, its a lot of fun and you can become a contractor within a year or so

[@VxLxCheeTos]

Shit. What do you need to be a labour hand or welder helper? Where do I sign up?

[@davidmcconnell683]

Could I literally come 2moro and find a job as a welders helper?

[@treagan7214]

What's a field machinist make on the pipeline?

[@austinelledge3277]

Awesome video man learning a lot! Could you possibly break down the pay of a welder ? Because I’m about to start school to hopefully become a pipeline welder.

[@culpylt101]

What other equipment are operators needed on?

[@alwaysready4017]

Thanks for your time in these ..

[@michaeledens1271]

Can I do this at 53 years old? Is this a young man's job/world, or should I pursue this?

[@gregoryhelton2408]

Yes you can. If your willing to work hard they'll find you some thing to do.

[@mattparks11]

80 hour weeks. In hard physical labor. If you think you can handle that at 53 years old then go for it. But I know most people that age would not haha. If you’re dedicated tho send it

[@brodyjohnson5530]

If your body can withstand it go for it

[@dannyseropian1837]

16 hr is crazy low compared to what we make up here

[@constellationex]

thank you for making these videos

[@tylerb116]

Any idea what the surveyors make?

[@AlienAbles420]

I'm a first year Plumber's Apprentice *Red card* in the DFW area of Texas (Dallas Fort Worth) currently making $14.50/hr I'll be getting a raise to $16.50/hr soon. In Three years, I'll be making minimum $30 an hour as a Journeyman *Blue card*. Four years after that as a Master it's around $55-$60/hr *Silver card* Going salary can get you as much as $100,000-$115,000/yr. To own your own plumbing business contracting or service, one needs to be a (RMP) Responsible Master Plumber. *Gold Card* You could also become a city Plumbing Inspector *Black Card* making shit tons of money.

[@That_1_Lyfe]

By chance what company ? I have a friend who I believe works for TDI and I’m looking for a career change.

[@eddiegonzalez5463]

Whats the highest paid out in the field? Engineer, inspector, superintendent

[@Kodaknodak]

Nice vid! Thank you👍👍

[@Turficial941]

How do I get started on the pipe line I am a directional driller in Florida but I am very interested in trying to get on the pipeline how do I start please send info anybody thank you

[@aroettgen87]

If you're a directional driller you should be making far more than a pipeline laborer

[@rafaelespinoza2841]

Yoo hope you having a great day brother

[@Peckerwood420]

Know fellas with 10 years welding experience, sold everything to come out to Texas to take welding tests for pipeline....and fail🤦‍♂️

[@jbrobele]

Joshua Blankenship lmao😂😂

[@michaeledens1271]

Yeah, that's just hilarious dipshit.

[@trulyjahir1112]

Joshua Blankenship Were they certified welders? And did they really have 10 years of experience? My dad is a certified welder here in texas and those are always needed

[@Peckerwood420]

J Smooth guessing certified after welding school. All three guys had fully outfitted welding rigs🤷‍♂️

[@trulyjahir1112]

Joshua Blankenship Sorry to hear man. My dad has been a welder for around twenty years and he’s faced difficulties finding jobs before aswell. He’s worked in the pipeline industry in West Texas before aswell as the chemical plants and oil refineries near the coasts. He could be bringing home anywhere from 5000 to 8000 a week after taxes. Tell your buddies if it didn’t work for them out there to check out the scenes near to the coast. The money in Texas is here and best of luck to your buddies.

[@travisleehendon80]

I have fluxcore experience, but no pipeline. I was looking into getting on a job. Any recommendations?

[@deaconfay-worthington4139]

Join a union, 798ers are a welders Union,and get called out to alot of pipelines.

[@welderdrew98]

They do mostly stick from what I have seen.

[@Tacos888]

As a tower climber with my 125 per diem my longest week was 98 hours, I got about 2300 total that week Haha i thought about switching to oil,but the numbers are about the same ha

[@ericyoung5491]

Where you work at

[@TheSurgeExclusive]

What is “125 per dime”?

[@smitttty]

@@TheSurgeExclusive you can't read fella

[@TheSurgeExclusive]

Logan Schmidt lmao shut the fuck up bald ass I can read just fine

[@luish777]

What's with all that haha bullish*t are you 12yrs old.still good money dummy

[@bryandill9316]

Another great video...

[@josesolis6186]

Good info bro I'm useing this advice

[@whoisbryanc8686]

I need help making my decision. I started a landscaping business I am 20 I started at 18 I finally went full time this year. I was able to quit my job. My uncles do this work and want me to join and move to NC I am currently in GA

[@jakerobinson7547]

I hired into the labores union I wanna get on the pipeline

[@travistourangeau.3975]

I’m Canadian so I’ll be making almost 10 grand a month but it will be worth like 6 grand if I transfer it to American 😂

[@dannyz7904]

That’s still plenty ...

[@Wanglicker42235]

@@dannyz7904 thats way more than what I’ve ever made lol

[@dannyz7904]

@@Wanglicker42235 fr most I’ve made a month was 4500 lol

[@jimmyboone2072]

What are good companies to get on with as a helper near Odessa area

[@gagamunky639]

If I just showed up could I get a job out there?

[@gagamunky639]

@@ItsJustJayYo ok thanks

[@kaziwill]

What union are you in?

[@constellationex]

I do have an inquiry, Ill understand if you dont have time to reply, pardon my ignorance, but if you start as a welder helper, is there an opportunity to become a welder?, or is it better to be a certified welder before hand? I understand theres different types of welders, so it may not be a clear cut answer. My question is more to understand the overall path to take.

[@Oilfieldscout]

In pipelines there is no such thing as a certified welder. You are qualified to a peocedure. You move to another job you have to take a test to qualify again. In some seasons you can take a test every two weeks.

[@jakerobinson7547]

It's a hard life over the road

[@joshuamartinez5508]

you inspire me💯

[@maverickthedisciple1032]

Pls tell wht tht truck is on the thumbnail

[@Beau_knows]

2018 F-350

[@ryanmahoney6076]

Where do you find these jobs onlinr

[@jahanwatson2423]

Can anyone help direct me to where I can find one of these jobs

[@emmanuelm.d8748]

He has plenty of videos explaining that I’m working a refinery which is similar but you don’t have to travel as much but u get paid less :(

[@TheyCallMeHighTide]

It’s not easy many people want a job and unless you have experience or know someone it’s not easy but I didn’t have either and got in through Facebook

[@deaconfay-worthington4139]

Join a union. A lot of times being on the pipeline you will see Union hands(workers).

[@ronaldmalott7849]

Any kind of insurance?

[@jeepwk6.5L]

ronald malott join union if you want benefits brother. Non union will never touch union benefits. My total package is $72/hr. I get free insurance, free drug card discounts, $9 hr in my health and welfare, vacation savings fund, free schooling, free pension plan and $50.50/hr on check after all that gets taken out. People bitch about union dues but $31 a month is worth it to me. You retire with over a million in retirement... at minimum. Depends how u set up ur plan. Not to mention your protected at your job.

[@zackzander425]

@@jeepwk6.5L I call bullshit. What union you in? The $31 a month is just your dues check off. Mine are $22. They take a few dollars every hour you work. 5-10K a year is taken out of my paycheck depending on how many hours I work and if I go to different locals. Still making more than non-union though. I just don't like supporting the Democrat party.

[@jeepwk6.5L]

@@zackzander425 that’s not my hourly dues. That’s hall dues. You coulda asked instead of calling me a liar.

[@jeepwk6.5L]

Also, 597 Chicago

[@zackzander425]

“People bitch about union dues but $31 a month is worth it to me.” You make it sound like that’s all you have to pay every month.

[@johntonguecruz2404]

whats a per DM? am i hearing it right? per dia? carpe diem?

[@mattparks11]

John TongueCruz the money they give you to live on. Usually about 100 dollars a day. Un taxed

[@johntonguecruz2404]

@@mattparks11 oh okay. So its like a living allowance given by a parent to his/her teenager? This is in the USA right?

[@mattparks11]

John TongueCruz no it’s money giving to workers from the company to love on. Yes I’m America

[@ahhjoel685]

when u say 1500 a week , do you mean every paycheck or literally every week

[@jakerobinson7547]

Or back on when I was 19 I was on the pipeline I ran into some guys when I was coming back home from texas setting up wind mills I'm gonna get back one anyone who want this just no there's a high sacrifice just past year I lost 2 family members and I couldn't get back in time to say goodbye then then year before last year I lost an uncle I was out in texas I was gonna try to make it back with there time left they barely could but they said keep rolling in them paychecks Jake take care of your family son not gonna lie that month I drank every night and cryed it's hard out heir on the road all you young bucks. Head my warning it's good money on the road but there's sacrafices that come with it

[@ARluvr1]

I mean I’ll be honest for zero experience you aren’t gonna find any better money. My buddy is a pipe liner and makes 4000 a week before Per-diem.

[@motorcitycane]

Where at?

[@chaycezoppetti5464]

Did you get ur heavy equipment cert or did u just get hired as a excavator operators

[@jordanbailey300]

My liscence is revoked but I know how to operate backoe and worked on a farm my whole life, is there work up there if you don’t have a liscence and felonies??

[@jordanbailey300]

I have a vehicle and rv but liscence is suspended

[@chuyitoo15]

jordan bailey most pipeline jobs don’t care if you have felonies

[@chuyitoo15]

jordan bailey I know a bunch of operators that have dui’s

[@Beau_knows]

jordan bailey you need a valid ID and social security card.

[@jkdunk20001988]

What part of East Texas

[@osrscletus6067]

Now do you have to claim predium on your taxes as extra income?

[@deaconfay-worthington4139]

No, it's yours, tax free you earn that right to that money, it's like getting your paycheck, then handed 700( my per diem rate being $100 per day) in cash.

[@martykroenecke4273]

Per diem is taxed via a 1099 form you will get from the company. Under current IRS rules you pay income and SS tax on 38% of the money you receive. Anybody who says it's untaxed free money is full of shit and lying to you.

[@grnsouth1204]

@@martykroenecke4273 Thats not true at all. Per diem, up to a certain amount is tax exempt. It also depends on if you are being paid for accommodation and food or just food. Accommodation/Food was up to $165/day exempted I believe where as just food is around $85/day exempted. Source: Field Engineer, oilfield, I receive per diem for sustenance, and accommodation is provided.

[@mandodeleon3670]

Good Job

[@epicxrainz6853]

Im at North Dakota Im getting patting over 2k a week and I’m a painter get pay less

[@moneymarine1683]

Can you get me a job or point me in the right direction trying to save for my kid before he's born

[@J__7777]

Did you have experience as a painter before working there?

[@thedeck1627]

Do you need a truck to start?

[@lui1367]

preferably

[@brodyjohnson5530]

If you are a helper not really now to actually weld on the pipeline yes you do

[@J__7777]

@@brodyjohnson5530 any type of truck?

[@emiliomaldonado5226]

Just be a lineman in California make 200k-300k easy

[@pourinacid6142]

fr how ^

[@TheDrill65]

How long before someone new makes Over 200k as a lineman?

[@floreshector63]

Emilio Maldonado OR become a pipeline welder 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@JohnDoe-us1ek]

felix rapaj Be good at math and know someone. In Hawaii, being a lineman or doing any line of Electrician work is hard to get into. Especially within the Unions. I can’t imagine what getting into a union and competing for a spot and staying in is like in Cali lol...

[@JohnDoe-us1ek]

Pourinacid Electricians Union for a start or an electric company.

[@briand3029]

$1800 after taxes for a 80 hour work week? That sounds a little low right? I am just saying considering timeand a half etc that only comes out to $60,000 a year... it sounds like you actually make over $100,000 a year gross but with that $1800 paycheck doesn’t add up on my end. Can you please clarify where i am doing my math wrong?

[@mitchellarmyguy2515]

7200 a month BRING home...we have 12 months in a year, not ten. So that's 86000 a year AFTER taxes for the low end. Become a skilled welder or heavy equipment operator and it'll climb quickly. You seemed to only multiply by 10 months if you got 60k

[@mitchellarmyguy2515]

Granted you'll never be home. But work a few years and then find a local job somewhere if you want to live the family life.

[@jacobsoto5451]

Where did u get $60k???? Can u not do basic math????

[@briand3029]

I understand there’s 12 months in a year. I was eluding to how it sounds like you would make more than 100k in a year. I got 60K considering you’re not working 80 hours consistently since he says work is not always consistent and you work by contracts. So it was an estimate on the low end. Factoring in some 40 hour work weeks and holidays, time off etc... since 80 hours is overtime and realistically I don’t think you’ll get overtime every week for an entire year straight. So chill out ppl 60k cash is more than enough I was just asking to clarify on why it isn’t over 100K. Which I realize now it is 100K+ before taxes so that was the answer to my question

[@mitchellarmyguy2515]

@@briand3029 the job nor the pay is ideal. But for some one in say construction barley paying bills even 60k BRING HOME is a huge step in the right direction. Ideally you want to be an operator or foreman, but you generally have to start at the bottom. And 60k bring home is one hell of a start. You'll earn every cent though. Jobs dirty, hot, and ruff. But, the money is a lot better than a warehouse job.

[@nickparimuha81]

Do union operators make more ?

[@floreshector63]

nick parimuha yes

[@bradleylewis1449]

Yes!

[@Thatwhite6.7]

$28 an hour were $44 an hour up here

[@stevefraser7092]

1800 / week that sucks

[@jrwaghd1]

No way I'd travel for $15-16 an hour!!

[@MT-vw6pf]

Did yall even do the math about the money he was making after only 1 year in the field?

[@cauechaves6876]

It is possible talk with you ?

[@fixitlinc3339]

1700 a week including 700 non tax. So basically 70-80 hrs a week for 1k is criminal

[@klizzyykicks1712]

Thank u!

[@thomasmcnicholas8656]

1500-$1700 a week after taxes……. Putting anything in a 401k ??

[@all_things_prestige4173]

#solid as a money!!!

[@zackzander425]

Join a Labor Union in the Midwest or Northeast doing a skilled trade. Once you're a Journeyman you're making usually over 40/hr + pension and health insurance. Get to sleep in your own bed. "If you ain't oilfield you ain't shit" LOL

[@robertbell387]

This seems like a great opportunity for people that dont want to do the normal college route. Shoot, i thought about doing this even after graduating college. I make $100k/year now but also live in one of the most expensive areas in the US. I couldn't imagine making the same amount of money and living in a small town somewhere in Texas. I'd feel like i was balling. ha

[@Random_life616]

Whats the feedback on MPG pipeline contractors??

[@scottyevans5206]

For those of you that hear about the money yeah it's great but they will work you down th the ground you have no life your away from your family so think about it before you make the decision

[@alexquintero4807]

Its the main reason I quiet pipeline 22 years ago. Family comes first.

[@jeepwk6.5L]

Alex Quintero great thing about being union. Even my boss knows family comes first.

[@randomtv3454]

His wife works the pipeline too while he’s gone.😂

[@karimrodriguez1380]

Wtf , not funny bro

[@grnsouth1204]

@@karimrodriguez1380 Not at all, but unfortunately it happens all too often. All the more reason to be very selective with your mate. It takes a special kind of woman to live the Oilfield Wife Life and actually be any good at it. That being said, if you can't trust her, why the hell did you legally bind yourself to her. lol

[@freedome405]

If you can't stay gone ALL the time a drilling rig is a damn good choice, you still get family time

[@shekeepcallingme2018]

Name a few brother

[@xinsaneclampzz6413]

Like is this true

[@ayeoooo]

In LA if your not making 3-5k a week your basically homeless

[@LxkeC]

thats la and basically la only. Good luck finding money like that anywhere else

[@austinblack180]

That’s why you don’t live in the shitty state of California. I built a new house for 160k in Texas.

[@friendly-stranger6223]

If you make 3/5k a month in indy your top 25 percent lol