Pipes Have Landed!! Ufo vs Enterprise vs stock.

Doing some dyno runs on these awesome pipes made by Morgan, from wild west garage.
Here is a link to his channel.
• UFOs Sighted in BC
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[@TurboDog73TX]

I'm so pleased to see that they DID actually make more power than just a gutted can, and the craftsmanship alone is worth the price of admission if they ever become available. Works of art indeed. It would really be a fun experiment to alter the dimensions, and diameters to see if the same design could be tweaked to raise the power peaks even higher. Great work Morgan!

[@jonathanhoekstra6174]

I agree!

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

@Gearhead modded can with deflectors , piped modded can will not equal these style pipes - I’ve tested my version of the Bearclaw muffler against a stock can , dual port can , piped can and they ALL LOSE

[@integr8er66]

​@@fabzacres-blackcatMore power isn't everything, you may burn a piston, or over heat the saw, the engineers at Stihl spend a TON of time balancing all these factors in order to make a good reliable powerful saw, then some joker with a mig welder and a grinder in his garage thinks he is smarter than that whole team of engineers. While I do understand that those engineers have to include things in their design criteria that you may not care about, they still are way smarter and have way more resources and information than all the muffler mod "experts" on KZbin put together.

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

@@integr8er66 yah , well the difference IS the engineers are constrained by regulations which vary country by country. A canned muffler is just THAT , a device to MUFFLE (quiet) the sound and was never intended for performance … a “joker” with a mig welder, a grinder and some KNOWLEDGE can EASILY outperform the stock can - and have a COOLER running / more efficient saw. In fact ol Buckin Billy Ray and his mentor Bearclaw have been running these style pipes for YEARS so your statement about “overheating the saw/burning a piston” shows me YOUR lack of knowledge/understanding. Have a nice day 😂

[@1d1hamby]

RIP Jed Walters. 🙏

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

Jed or “JEDI” as I referred to him was a good man. I sent him some chains awhile back and he handfiled them sqr/sqr Jed style - sent them back to me with a file too! I had some good convo with him but never had the pleasure of meeting him in person … there’s a go fund me on guiltily of treason channel to help the wife and children he leaves behind …. RIP JEDI

[@mmg6282]

Very tragic. He seemed like a very nice Man.

[@hardcoreplayafromthehimala4888]

Who is he?

[@JDESTR0Y]

@@hardcoreplayafromthehimala4888 watch Jacob rogers videos /guilty of treeson he was good buddys with Jed and worked with him

[@JDESTR0Y]

Rest in peace Jed

[@diegovd7215]

Congratulations on 10k+. Thank you for doing this test. "If you can't measure it, you can't improve it" is the motto in many places. Well done Morgan!

[@dynojoemods2764]

Thank you!

[@kennydillon7635]

Absolutely beautiful craftsmanship! As well as the Ram Horn pipe that Bucking runs on his saws there's a lot of effort that goes into producing and perfecting a muffler such as these. Great Work Morgan!!! They may not be for everyone, but they do perform and have proven that on the dyno, thanks Joe for producing this video and showing off the work of a master metal crafter.

[@Super-Dave-Outdoors]

Ufo pipe is slick. Pretty interesting to see the power characteristics change that much with a pipe that only occupies factory exhaust space.

[@frankz1125]

Real numbers are great to see. Thanks Joe. I would have never guessed a half horse increase. Cheers

[@rakersdownnz]

Beautiful pipes, glad to see a significant gain on both, as cool as the enterprise looks I have personally always liked the look of the UFO best, don't know why, just do. As stated in other comments would be good to see how these percentage gains stack up against an opened up stock pipe, key to the bush etc. Thanks for your time Joe, always, always appreciated.

[@freddy7700]

Amazing that an exhaust the size of the stock exhaust gives 10% more power. Thanx a bunch Joe.

[@paulgreco2188]

Pretty awesome to see that u sent these away. I am not surprised that they work very well...significant gains. Great work.

[@scottwilson4396]

Morgan makes metal look and sound awesome ❤

[@Bigcheif360]

In my opinion 1/2 hp gain with chainsaw bling it’s definitely a win win. I think Morgan is onto something there with those sleek custom pipes. Could he be an innovator in the next big chainsaw thing?

[@SCouch-cw6je]

As I get older I like the quieter sounds!! I like the stock pipe with added port myself

[@gutrali]

I was looking for this comment..... Chainsaws are so loud and annoying to begin with, I can't imagine someone he uses it every day would want it to be even louder. Stock all the way!! I wish people would make pipes that are quieter AND more powerful. I don't even want to know the price of these shown, that make them louder.... I'm sure it's insane. Kind of reminds me of the kids that like putting $400 titanium fart cannons on their Civics, and think it sounds and looks good 🤣

[@SCouch-cw6je]

@@gutrali agree!! I do residential tree work so I want to keep the noise down. I do modify my own saws. I just take a step bit into the can and weld or braze the appropriate size pipe. I’ve used metal broom handles, curtain rods all kinds of things. Depending on the angle and how much is inside can will determine the loudness in my experience. I try to angle it down away from exhaust port and 1.5-2 inches inside and 1-1.5 on the stick out on outside. They work well for my likings. My coworkers and saws I’ve built the operator seems to be happy. Had a friend straight shot a 562 muffler and it was so obnoxiously loud and sounded horrible

[@gutrali]

@@SCouch-cw6je I guess we should let these boys have their loud fun before our country eventually forces everyone to go electric anyway lol. I love my husq 440

[@SCouch-cw6je]

@@gutrali I run 3 series, 346,359,365sp and 372’s. The 3 series are my favorite series of any husqvarna series I’ve ncluding the 5’s

[@wayneanderson991]

Nice gains from a bolt on pipe! I think this would be a great addition to enhance a ported saw. Thanks for the testing Joe! Nice work Morgan!

[@davidgoliath982]

dont like these cans at all. the outlets are too large and they dump straight forward and outlets are too far forward. they should dump at least 30 degrees to the side. i like at least 45. u can dump forward if outlet is at the back like stihl does with ms261 362 etc.

[@jdsolberg7613]

It looks like the un-modded muffler performed better at wide open throttle (WOT). When cutting wood, I've got the throttle at WOT 80% or more of the time. Plus, if you're thinking they may interfere with the safety bar or the wood being cut, I think I'd just keep my Stihl, stock. Form follows function, in my opinion.

[@echoglen8649]

The creativity and design is great! 🤙🏼😎

[@sethwolpert1391]

Thanks for the video and testing Morgan’s pipes

[@Chuckrussell75]

I like both Morgan's pipes, but definitely like the UFO pipe the best. I just cut firewood, but would love a cool pipe lke that. Morgan's a helluva' tin knocker, & from the looks of his work, understands the dynamics of expansion chambers, & exhaust theories. Thanks Joseph.

[@richevy5224]

Interesting results Joe. I'd be curious to see a run with one of your muffler modded deflectors on the same saw. See how he traditional muffler mod does on Dyno.

[@TractorTech]

Me too.

[@jacobnelson9144]

Awesome pipes. A real craftsman.

[@bronkourness7289]

Wow. Enterprise, Dual outlet is my fav. Morgan did a beautiful job on those. Killer sound! Can’t wait to get my hands on one!

[@srankin8022]

Would love to see the factory muffler opened up and compared to these three. You have to be careful running pipes that dump out the front. In big timber about two thirds of the way through the log it can block the exhaust and lean your saw right out. Ask me how I known. lol Took me a few cuts to figure out what was going on, because I had just built the saw I kept thinking something was wrong with the saw itself. Thanks Joe for a great video great work on the pipes Morgan.

[@lamarbeachler7738]

I'd love a couple UFOs fire wood cutter

[@IndianaDoug]

Beam me up Scotty!😃 very cool👍🏻

[@Andyshine77]

Good deal. I'd really like to see how a stock modded muffler with a deflector would do. 😉

[@billyb.9878]

I know the OEM muffler for a 394 is $125.00. If the price for one those custom pipes is within my reach I'm going to order one. Reach is relative of course. Good job everybody involved. Later. 👍

[@rileyjohnston8393]

Ya I like buying the farmertec ones to modify, I don’t trust a lot of their stuff but it’s just a sheet metal can anyways

[@waynepedder2033]

Great workmanship

[@dankrzeminski6370]

Jetting needs played with now. Thanks for your hard work

[@ragercrepair9301]

Man those look beautiful for some chainsaw pipes! But I'll bet they improve power and torque! I'm gonna say UFO lol

[@reillystsb]

I'd like to see the stock muffler with a dual outlet...... the other 2 pipes are Works of art..🐚

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

Dyno only gives hard numbers. In the timber these style pipes are second to none … I’ve built several (original Bearclaw design) and did send one to Joe for testing - came out at 9% peak to peak but the numbers don’t tell the whole story - the throttle response , .5hp gain and .5ft/lb increased torque and the on/off throttle feathering ability make them perfect for treework and firewood duties … wear your hearing protection though , they are LOUD and rowdy

[@JS-oy6nn]

I think a properly modded dual port stock can should have been in the mix.? And idk about everyone else but weight is a major factor for me, would like to know the weight difference.? For me it’s a hard no, I appreciate the hard work that went into it but the practicality is not there. I’m pretty sure a properly modded stock can will do the same. Hopefully you’ll see this and try one.? Great video like always Joe 👍🏻

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

No … a modded dual port will NEVER equal these style pipes … I’ve tested them all in the timber , stock can vs dual port can vs piped can vs my version of the Bearclaw design which I call the Rowdy pipe and the piped exhaust is superior in every aspect. I can also produce them relatively inexpensively vs Morgan’s design which is far more labor intensive but gives a fuzz more gain. Mass producing pipeslike Morgan’s IS possible however I’d say I would have to charge $199+ for one vs $55-75 for my “simpler” design 😜

[@novicelumberjack]

Excellent build quality. I like the way the Enterprise looks...a lot. I haven't gotten to the numbers yet, but my guess is that there will be no discernible difference between the two pipes, and I'm hoping you compare them to a regular modified can, although I understand if you don't.

[@lumbearjack1439]

Yea, I think a regular high flow modded can will be right there with em, or close

[@dynojoemods2764]

They were very very close. And a normal modified can is usually worth 5-8%

[@jonathanhensley8685]

Great work, Morgan and Joe. I would love to see a dino run with the factory muffler modded.

[@OpenAirAdventure]

Just thinking the same

[@darrellpeak2914]

Yes, add an exhaust port to the factory gutted muffler and see what the gains are.

[@mattkrumm8141]

my buddies and I ran Walkerized saws 20 years ago. This was a ported exhaust with dual outlets.

[@marcduclos9789]

I have followed the journey of these pipes. Wow 11%.

[@christinney9441]

Very cool to see how they perform.

[@mikesenginesandadventures]

I like the ufo pipe… it would look good on my Jonsered.

[@OpenAirAdventure]

I was hoping the ufo would improve hp over the others, also wondering if modded stock pipe would increase hp. Morgan is a genius. Thanks Dyno Joe.

[@matticus6339]

Beautiful pipes and even more so once they blued from the heat, added power is nice to and making a more usable power range.

[@andyjones6361]

10% power gain is nothing to sneeze at. In my humble opinion the guy is on to something with the escalating pipe volume peaking out at the dome. It gives some space for expansion. Been thinking that way for awhile wondering if there was a configuration that would act like a tuned pipe

[@shannonwhitaker9630]

Would it be a good idea make a chain(s) for testing purposes that had all the actual teeth cut off ? Some thin zip wheels on an angle grinder could cut them off pretty quick. Slinging a toothy chain on one these maxed out saws could be nasty.

[@davidrasmussen2975]

Enterprise dual outlet is lower temp on the side where cooling air comes from. Doesn’t mean internal air flow is uneven based on color alone.

[@nseric1233]

I made a similar comment on buckins video on these. The pipes are a bit too big, if they were 25% smaller they'd run better and be snappier. They're basically smaller can mufflers with giant outlets, if the outlet was equal to about a one inch pipe they'd be better. If Morgan is ok with it, weld up the outlet making it close to one inch square total, I bet it makes more power and has better response.

[@Scott_296]

Love the aesthetics of the dual outlet but I had a sneaking suspicion the other would do better.

[@andyjones6361]

My favorite is which ever one makes more power!

[@jakegorman7121]

I would have liked to seen them go up against an ironhorse style pipe and then the standard muffler mod.

[@scottrussell6717]

When I was building saws the muffler mod was the best part of doing a mod build

[@cathrineyuill8622]

Would have been interesting to measure the cylinder head temperature of each set up. Power gains are impressive but if it causes premature or excessive wear on the engine is it it worth it? Other than that...a very cool demonstration.

[@walkerscountrylife]

Great work Morgan & Joe. Can't wait to get my hands on one for my little channel. RIP Jed.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

good stuff , pretty much what the wood told me, thx for takin' this on Joseph

[@dynojoemods2764]

Yessir! Thank you! Glad to hear it is in line with your findings!

[@christophersmithsonian3350]

Those pipes look great the Enterprise in the UFO I'd like to run those with blendzall castor oil

[@sunbear1973]

Definitely better looking then that stock can and good to see that they produce more power. It would be good to see what the results would be on a ported saw.

[@maxgood42]

So I paused the video to make this comment before knowing the results, I was sure the UFO pipe would be a winner for power, and the Enterprise pipe would make an interesting sound.

[@maxgood42]

Ok I wasn't sure if the Enterprise would be so close to the UFO, but hay look at that. If the the guy who makes these went into prodution and sold them on Etsy I think he would do really well.

[@aussiehardwood6196]

A 10% hp & torque gain over stock is nice for a bolt on muffler. The question is 'do they beat a stock muffler thats been modded'?

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

Yes 👍. The Dyno tells a story but the timber is where the rubba meets the road. I’ve tested stock vs stock / vs stock tube exhaust deflector vs my hand built Rowdy pipe (Joe tested this pipe design and results are on my channel) “Bearclaw style” pipe and once the pipe is HOT (up to operating temp) there is simply no comparison. You’re rippin thru the timber with WAY more torque , throttle response is instantaneous and cut speed is the fastest.

[@BRKS-fj2jt]

Take factory modded muffler over them pipes any day

[@dankurtzweil900]

Really need to follow up with dyno runs with modified mufflers on the same saw. One test with one added port and another test with two added ports. I'm guessing that those tests weren't done for a reason. I do realize that the type of person that wants these is going after a look rather than performance and the guy probably spent a ton of time building these pipes and did a good job making them look nice but if they don't outperform simple muffler mods people should know.

[@onthelake9554]

For me the ported stock is a better fit , I don't want the weight or the noise . For a comp saw though maybe .

[@gjponsford4892]

The UFO pipe seems like a sound design. Kind of Art deco, for a power saw, but cool as hell.

[@Mark-Marine]

I like the looks, but don't like front exhaust due to blowback of the exhaust on my hand.

[@masterblaster9123]

This is how daft punk got their helmet design. ::)

[@dillgross6758]

good man MORGANNNN!

[@richardflagg3084]

Beautiful craftsmanship on the pipes. Those look 1000X better than the straight pipe ones with the side exit. What gains have you seen by just adding a medium deflector to the factory can?

[@dynojoemods2764]

Normally 5-8% on a factory can

[@902hand7]

For all the hard work Morgan put into those nice looking pipes I was hoping for a larger increase in power. What's the % increase in power over a stock muffler with one that has an extra hole drilled with one of your deflectors welded on the side?? Talk to us Dyno Joe... 👍👍

[@dynojoemods2764]

Most of the time a mild modded muffler is worth 5-8% gains

[@alexstromberg7696]

A two stroke will only more more power than a modded muffler with a real tuned pipe.

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

@@alexstromberg7696 nope 👎

[@Goosie222222]

Good job buddy 👍loved it, it would have been nice to get the exact specs on the torque as well...

[@dynojoemods2764]

Thank you The peak tq specs are listed on the graph. Or do you mean if I would have said them?

[@joshgalloza4207]

I would love one of them for my 440. And 660. Hope they make them for Stihl as well.

[@βιζζγΚιδ]

Can't wait to see mogans mini expansion chamber on the dyno he does beautiful work

[@alexstromberg7696]

Yep just more noise, a normal muffler mod is enough

[@cowshottv5867]

Good way to pick up half a horse Joe, and they don't sound as annoying as a bark box on a 500I which sound horrible

[@joshuasweet1532]

I'm a faller in ne pa and I would rock any of them pipes

[@user_generik]

that's the only way to work on an engine, on the dang kitchen countertop

[@dynojoemods2764]

Makes a great work surface.

[@joutdoorsmen23]

Congratulations on 10K+ Joe, and Morgan pipes are cool

[@tome.joyner887]

I knew that Morgan had built more than artwork. Great job my friend and thank you Dyno Joe for testing them!

[@SNELLERIZED]

I would love to see what it would do with the factory opening hogged out and the deflector raised a bit and the screen removed.

[@dantone1952]

Polish the stock muffler to analyze the the heat bluing...

[@Wolverines1]

Just a firewooder here. Those look well made/executed so props to the maker. Is there any chance you have a plot with a dual outlet muff mod like we're used to seeing by the builders?

[@cajun3197]

I have a guy sending me a pipe to test next week vs the 372 can with a pipe coming out the side. I have my thoughts but I’ll leave them out and do an honest time test in a log.

[@dynojoemods2764]

Nice! That should be a fun one.

[@cajun3197]

@@dynojoemods2764 yessir

[@toddwheeler1526]

Beautiful craftsmanship on both. I have been very hesitant to modify my saws due to fire/ spark concerns. I assume that the spark arrestor screens and USFS approvals go out the window if you run anything but unmodified stock exhaust? Thoughts???

[@hillbilly4christ638]

Take it out at night or run it in the shop with the lights out and see if there is any spark.

[@nayase7303]

nice looking but would you pay several hundred dollars for a 10 percent gain?

[@tdawg8605]

Nice to see the actual numbers of these mufflers. The dyno certainly proves the theory of increasing the performance of a saw as the number don't lie. I would imagine the results in the wood would be similar if not a slight improvement when the saw is under a natural load, doing what it was designed to do. Just due to the fact that it can exhaust the air swifter in grunt mode, so to speak. If the price is right I would go for one of each for sure to experiment on my saws. (268xp & 272xp). Would be interesting to see the "Ram Horn & The Ironhorse" on the dyno as well and compare them all "Amano Amano". Thanks Dyno Joe and Morgan for this great experiment and now proof of concept.

[@quentindavis6]

I would buy a Husqvarna just to have the pipe on now lol looks good the all plan on selling them

[@bmp0149]

The value of having a dyno.... it dont have an opinion just tells it like it is. Thanks for bringing the results to us, it just stops all the chit-chat stone dead.

[@mattlynch2823]

Props to Morgan! I built the iron horse pipe for my 372 x torque last year and buckin's key to the Bush for my 385 and to see the amazing craftsmanship in these 2 pipes is awesome! It's not easy to build a pipe that nice that makes good gains! I hope Morgan will decide to market them! Great work!

[@dentondunn4346]

I'd buy one for my 372xp

[@stevessaws3612]

I agree. I was in a large power tool shop this morning and was told by an employee (sadly) in Victoria, Australia, alot of councils, Vic Roads and utility maintenance government bodies are no longer using petrol powered tools. They have to use battery power.

[@chrisroberts500]

@@dentondunn4346 I would as well

[@echoglen8649]

I'd be curious to see what a stock muffler with a added port would do! 🤙🏼😎

[@scottrussell6717]

Just make dang sure you richen up the carb or you will smoke a piston in just a few minutes

[@TheyForcedMyHandLE]

I don't know how your dyno is set up, but since you're using a bar and chain wouldn't even the slightest difference in chain tension between runs affect the numbers?

[@dynojoemods2764]

I try my best to keep tension the same but it dosent seem to effect it very much. I have tried moving the bar various different ways on the same saw.

[@bcdog1994]

Have been waiting for these results since Morgan mentioned sending them this direction. I truly enjoy seeing the all of the dyno results and hope to see videos continue in the future. Nice job on the pipes Morgan. How about a few for the stihls as well.

[@andyjones6361]

Joe Do you tune the carb for each muffler when you dyno test??

[@dynojoemods2764]

Yes

[@AndyH-13]

Great video with proven results. I would have one of the these pipes just for the looks and sound, and the 11.5% improvement is a bonus.

[@vinzer8808]

This is just crazy 😅

[@timnevitt2993]

i dont even have a chain saw but that ufo sounded awesome

[@Patricks_Projects]

You´re talking about pipes for almost 15minuters, i can´t see a single one... ;)

[@dynojoemods2764]

It's in the background... lol

[@MilkdudCrystal]

Would the enterprise fit a 592xp, if so would be sweet to have on for mine

[@user-rn3rn6nl3h]

Your chainsaw looks like a big pumpkin

[@donnywalker4691]

Nice work morgan good video joe

[@jasonwalter8136]

Enterpise to fit a Sthil is my choice,,,,

[@mackenziesibley7025]

1000 views so far lol morgans going to have himself busy making pipes!!

[@mackenziesibley7025]

Think the single is going to hit in a different spot in the torque curve for sure

[@gravytrainoutdoors]

That’s really cool that you got a couple of Morgan’s pipes to test out. He lives about 40 mins away from me. The guy is one heck of a metalworker.

[@timberslasher4899]

My opinion is that these are all a waste of money. You can throw away the spark screen and open the stock hole up and get a 10% gain.... Just my opinion....

[@elonmust7470]

Have fun getting in trouble for not having a screen.

[@timberslasher4899]

@@elonmust7470 Nobody cares in NC

[@shawncaudill424]

Wow I love the blue color also just curious do you have to readjust the carbon between pipe changes or are they close enough

[@StihlSlinger661]

Like what your doing pard! I'd really like to get something like the UFO built for my 661. Can you hook me up? Thanks for the informative videos!!!