Piracy and Hot Takes | Godzilla Minus One

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[@Godzilla00X]

Toho is getting paid by legendary for the use of G and has final say over how Godzilla is portrayed in the film. how is that appropriation? It's literally a business deal

[@orga7777]

Simon Pegg is kinda stupid. Best to ignore him and all celebrities.

[@SMAS_YT]

Cool pfp

[@_thomaswaldron]

Couldn’t you argue it’s technically still cultural appropriation - that just makes it so they’re getting paid for it?

[@orga7777]

@@_thomaswaldron "Cultural Appropriation" doesn't exist. Every single culture on the planet incorporated something from other cultures at some point or another. It is called the human experience.

[@Dreeza68955]

​@@_thomaswaldron Apperciation* Cultural appropriation is a stupid concept manifested by racists and college professors. Cultures tend to love it when they're shared.

[@l.abuddy23]

So I decided to watch both Oppheinheirmer Godzilla Minus One back to back and holy shit was it amazing. The tonal whiplash I got when I transitioned from English to Japanse was as good as I hoped it would be.

[@MikesMonsters]

The amount of nasty comments I received by suggesting TOHO had tried to get a same day release worldwide for theatrical release AND home video, with a reminder on how long it took previous films to import... You'd think I kicked a baby or something. We are in a different time now, yes, but Japan's culture is way different than others and do things their own way. The fact that we got this so quickly should be celebrated.

[@optinate30]

it's because everyone has to have a reason to complain and make people's lives miserable, for some reason.

[@Cdr2002]

My only cultural issue with GxK is I felt they kind of merged the Skull Islanders and the equivalent of Infant Islanders into one culture and that rubbed me the wrong way at first, but a close friend of more direct native descent than me (I am Puerto Rican and thus have Taíno ancestry) pointed out that it’s really more they come from similar cultural roots in this movie, and under that lens it became more acceptable to me

[@josephgibson5902]

One of the Iwi in Kong Skull Island featured Mothra markings as an Easter egg. Taking that along with KSI's explanation that they were scared of Kong until he started protecting them, I see no lore issue with having only the Iwi of Skull Island worshipping Kong and having all other regions of Iwi worshipping Mothra

[@Cdr2002]

@@josephgibson5902 my issue was not lore, my issue was that American media has a tendency to homogenize indigenous cultures together and while fictional, the people of Skull Island and the Mothra worshippers were originally two wholly separate groups.

[@josephgibson5902]

@@Cdr2002 I see

[@roosterwithnoname9020]

I went into Minus One having zero expectations. I didn't follow any news about it or listen to reviews about it. So I didn't know what to expect. I saw it in theaters and was very surprised how good it was for a Godzilla film. I guess my point is... Hype can kill enjoyment of a movie.

[@KaijuKitty]

Okay... I think torrenting movies is perfectly fine and is justified when the movie is unavailable and we know that the movie will not be made available for the foreseeable future. It is also fine, but not justified when it's something like Godzilla Minus One and you're impatient. I've been a pirate for a long time. My excuse? I have none. A pirates life for me. But it is funny when people start to morally justify that shit. Also I always put my shopping cart in the proper place after using it. I don't need to make the job of the grocery store employees that much harder. That woman looks basic af.

[@kaijucanuck4492]

Be an unapologetic pirate!

[@gorkgobble6738]

@@kaijucanuck4492 ALL OR NOTHING!

[@lautaroasis60]

Simon Pegg, you used to be cool.

[@blacksoldier430]

On the Pegg topic, my problem with minus one is that it attracted the wrong kind of people. i don't want this to sound like some kind of fan elitism but since the film release theres been people who aren't interested in the legacy of Godzilla nor they want to investigate more about his history, yet they talk with authority like if they knew better than anyone and talks down to the fandom or to people in general who doesn't share their bad takes or used it as a medium to distribute their anti Hollywood propaganda On the piracy one, yes I have pirated a lot of anime and goji movies because, let's be honest, most industries don't give a fuck about latin America and if some times is hard to find things in English either for bad distribution or that they weren't intended to have international release to begin with, finding things with Spanish sub is near impossible. I'm not trying to justify myself nor trying to blame Toho or any animation studio I'm just saying that I'm kinda cornered here and most of the time, piracy is my only option but I try to counter balance it by buying official goodies directly from Japan or when shit gets international release

[@user-ij6sn3lo8u]

Always gotta hate the glazers.

[@MrShadow2x]

I haven't seen Minus One since seeing it in my local theater, and I keep hoping a good opportunity will come along to check out the, apparently rather good English dub, that is an option for the Netflix presentation. I'm also waiting eagerly for the home video release on Blu-ray or 4K disc. That, along with the 4K disc release of GxK next week. Goji fans are eating good!

[@geomy3814]

Bro I don’t like GxK, but I’m not stupid enough to call it culture appropriation😂

[@Deepseashark]

I still hoping we get a dvd release of minus one because In want to own the movie not have a timelimit of how long i can watch it until one day netflix just doesnt have the movie for whatever reason they lose distribution rights

[@freedomwriter9688]

We will get one eventually

[@josephgibson5902]

If GxK is cultural appropriation, then the original King Kong vs Godzilla and King Kong Escapes is cultural appropriation. (Because let's remember King Kong is American) Actually KKvsG was made with more underhanded tactics than the Monsterverse, but KKE had to have like three studios agree on the vision for it to come out, so. I don't know, I'm trying to interact intelligently with the quote in the video, but I don't think that's even possible

[@GhostlyPhantom]

*insert Gabe Newell piracy quote here*

[@hunterross8016]

I hope we get the 4K blu-ray release soon.

[@MonsterKidCory]

My thing is, like... okay... [deep breath]... I profoundly enjoy engaging intellectually with the media I consume, to the point where I don't even really enjoy it if I'm not engaging intellectually with it. Now that doesn't mean that I only like pretentious things. In fact, there is a marked difference between pretention and intellectualism. Pretention is pseudo-intellectualism that post-hoc masquerades conformity to an idea of status as a connoisseur's appreciation of quality. Or, even worse, a conformity to an idea of moral and political rightthink. You HAVE to like this thing because it's aarrrrrrtt but you HAVE to hate that other thing because it's lowbrow consumer product, or even worse, it's immoral and counter-revolutionary 🧐. Genuine intellectual engagement is being able to appreciate things for what they have to say on their own terms, whether that's a Minus One or a GxK or a 1954 or a King Kong vs. Godzilla. Hell, I did a 20-minute-or-something video just analyzing Plan Nine from Outer Space. Fundamental to the distinction is that pretention doesn't tolerate actual intellectual analysis of IT. Simon Pegg says GxK is cultural appropriation because it's lowbrow plebeian entertainment, and if you critique his claim then you're a racist. Pretention stands on its own dignity and authority to not be questioned. So it's this sorta' worst case scenario for someone like myself where I'm being talked down to by pretentious dullards - the worst kind of dullard! - to prevent me from actually doing the only thing I enjoy doing and helps my daily struggle to still wake up tomorrow. Consequently, for a while I was all-in on the "anti-woke" stuff, because it was a cathartic reaction against being called a racist because I thought a story was poorly written and thematically weak. But even THAT gets tiresome. Like, yes, Disney sucks now. I know. Got it. Then it devolves into even stupider reactionary stuff like "pink Godzilla is gay!!!" which is just as dumb as the wokeshit it's reacting against. In short, I like Minus One AND GxK 👍 Sorry, I've been such a downer my last couple comments... Uh... I thought you needed to watch your baby so it doesn't jack the car and drive off without you? [rimshot]

[@kaijucanuck4492]

Damn that was a lot to chew on. But yes, I hate this attitude of delegitimizing someone else's point through ad-hominem attacks. There are so few, if any, ideas so sacred as to not be discussed or challenged and Pegg's is certainly not one of them.

[@duncandonuts5268]

I admit to watching minus one on a pirated website. Even if i plan on buying the 4k disc as soon as i have the opportunity to, i definetely claim no moral high ground. 100% self serving.

[@godzillaboy0512]

Same here. I have to admit that I watched minus one pirated multiple times so my family who didn't see the movie could see it. And this was before it was released on Netflix.

[@planetbumble5060]

I've started to see Minus One as "Godzilla for pretentious assholes" and I really hate that tbh.

[@roosterwithnoname9020]

Always go in with low expectations.

[@justinboatner8559]

I thought the exact same thing when I saw the Simon Pegg quote, I love the guy but what!?!?

[@matthewgramz3648]

G×K is trash. It's just a funny way of saying what a crap garbage movie it is.

[@willheur]

I think there's a nuanced conversation to be had about Pegg's comments. I love all tones of Godzilla and kaiju media in general but I hopped off the Monsterverse train after Godzilla vs. Kong because to me it wasn't unique or charming like the Showa era films and had zero story. The original is my all-time favorite film and means a lot to me, so seeing something that's rooted so deeply in Japanese pacifism being used as an American product (and also a propaganda tool in some cases-- HORSES has a great video on how the Department of Defense will tamper with screenplays in exchange for production assistance/funding) does bother me. I'm not Japanese so I'm not gonna pretend to have any claim towards the cultural identity of Godzilla or any other toku franchise, but it's something I think about. That shouldn't stop anyone from enjoying the Legendary movies; it's your preference. I just enjoy the entries with a deeper political message. Whether or not Pegg is being genuine about it or hopping on the culture-war bandwagon is up to you. As for piracy, Gabe Newell said it best: it's a service issue. I wouldn't feel bad about it on general principle, and I saw Minus One twice in theaters.

[@kaijucanuck4492]

If Simon had used a different label, I agree that there may be a conversation to be had in how American Godzilla has been adapted.

[@willheur]

@kaijucanuck4492 Fair. I don't even think he's necessarily using it in the context of racism or colonialism or anything like that, moreso that it's retrofitting Godzilla into a marketable superhero-type franchise that's more palatable for western audiences when a film like Minus One proves how unnecessary that is. I don't think Legendary's Godzilla after KOTM has any real connection to Japan or nuclear trauma, whereas the Showa films were very political for the time despite being mostly entertainment. Gareth Edwards did a decent job attacking the subject of Godzilla's nuclear origins and integrating that into the plot of 2014, and while I didn't really like KOTM I know Michael Dougherty's reverence for the franchise is tied in part to his Asian-American identity (he talked about it a couple times during the press tour). After that, it feels like the American Godzilla becomes just another IP. Also, most of the Showa Era films were written by either Shinichi Sekizawa or Takeshi Kimura. The Legendary films each have multiple different writers per movie, so you're not really seeing an individual perspective in each film because they're coming at it from a writer's room, which is probably a contributing factor.

[@JohnnyBurnes]

4:15 That Lazybones is more disgusting than any of Goji's foes.

[@GnosticAtheist]

With the current state of technology "piracy" is to be considered morally acceptable if the producer does not make sure it is easy to get the product. Pricing is certainly a relevant point as well, but if the product is available at around the normal price in the region for the media close to the time of the official release in the home country, then I see piracy as a crime. If not, I do not see it as a crime regardless of any law. Such laws are weak and only causes resentment and disobedience. Enforcing said laws are far more damaging to the public order than not, if the product is not available trough legal trade.

[@DarthRakdos0805]

These people I can guarantee only seen 3 Godzilla movies

[@Blakeb465]

6:24 wow

[@edwardmarges9802]

Was the number 8 like!

[@jarvaraproductions]

Godzilla minus one was decent/Fantastic film. It was never really life changing or "scary" to me. But (aside from one thing...) it was never really bad. While godzilla did feel a bit underwhelming to me (power, abilities, design, etc). He was still cool in the film. The human characters were decent to good (aside from one part...). For the most part. Fantastic film. The soundtracks were pretty good, with some of the cinematography being really great! I'm not talking about everything about the film because there is one thing about the film that made me super uncomfortable... (for a very personal reason from an event in my life that i really don't feel comfortable talking about..). But other than that. Pretty good film. 9.3/10 for me. (Not counting the personal thing). I want to point out that this is how I feel about the film. If you love it to, where it's your favorite film. That's fine. I'm glad you enjoyed it! But this film just didn't have the same effect on me like everyone else. The only reason I'm saying this is because I know how much people like this film. That's how I feel about minus one. I hope the person reading this has a fantastic day!

[@user-mq8tq1cl8t]

I torrented Minus One when it was in theatres but not my area and then bought it on iTunes now that it’s out. No sales were lost. What moral issue is there?

[@josephgibson5902]

Since I don't see anyone else addressing this, I'll chime in. I'm a bit softer on this anyways, but your ability to contrive a situation wherein there is no moral issue to torrenting something says nothing about the wider situation and trend of torrenting, since most people that do it won't do it the way you did. Also if you are relying on the fact that you bought it now, then are you saying that for the months between, it was a moral issue? In any case even if everybody did it the same way as you, you only bought the movie because you liked it, right, not to set the karmic scales even. If 5 people did the same as you did and only 3 of them liked it, would all five really choose to buy it, and are you claiming it would only become unmoral months later upon choosing not to buy it?

[@user-mq8tq1cl8t]

@@josephgibson5902 I’m not worried about the wider issue of torrenting. I’m just me and I can only account for my actions. If I had downloaded and viewed the movie with no intent to pay or the intent to pay only if I liked the movie you would have a point. That is not the case. I buy every Godzilla movie available on iTunes as a matter of course for my collection. I have every single one available in my region. I have no idea, or care, what five people would do. I’m one person and this is what I did.

[@user-mq8tq1cl8t]

I’m saying that if there is no possible way to purchase a copy or viewing of any piece of media it’s morally okay to torrent it. You’re not depriving anyone of income. You’re causing no harm. In the months in between there was no possible way to purchase the media so no moral issue. I buy every Godzilla movie on iTunes for my collection. The purchase was always 100% guaranteed. I don’t know, or care, what 5 people would do. I’m only me. 1 person and this is what I did. That’s all any of us can speak for.

[@josephgibson5902]

@@user-mq8tq1cl8t okay like I said I'm softer on this stuff anyway. I appreciate the clarification. But me posing five hypothetical other people isn't a non sequitur. You are making claims about morality. We can't only just talk about ourselves otherwise there would be no consensus on ethics. If you're asking what a moral issue is in something you did and there isn't one but could have been, it is important to go over at what point it became not immoral and could become immoral, which is somewhat easily represented by people with some of the context you have but not all of it.

[@user-mq8tq1cl8t]

@@josephgibson5902 I am not a philosopher. I don’t know about consensus on ethics but I do know not to hurt people. It’s really that simple and too many people complicate basic principles. The Golden rule isn’t an indecipherable code. ‘Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.’ Hasn’t changed in centuries. Don’t need to take a poll to find out what to do.

[@panduallen6712]

I wonder if Simon also parroting off the current zeitgeist. Honestly I kinda lost in what constitutes a cultural appropriation nowadays, it kinda felt like a buzzword ppl just love to throw without really understanding the term. It's not really a debate I wanna engage in. Same case with "Godzilla is pink now. WOKE!!!" that pops out every now and then in the community (tho some did it ironically). I rather stay away from such things. Another debate that I hate but somehow soo prevalent in (but not limited to) Godzilla community is elitist arbitering and constituting what's a "true fan" and the "true taste".There's this one guy, I don't wanna mention the name, but he is soo dedicated on dunking on how garbage the Monsterverse is and how you're not a true fan if watching a kaiju movie... for the kaiju.... Yea, I'm at lost. I get it, you want more than just kaiju battles, you want story and stuff. My fav MV movie is actually KSI, cuz it got all. Action scenes, monster battle, engaging human characters and story, kaiju story and emotion, it's the full package. But I'm still a fan of the property if I wanna see a millions of dollars-worth ver. of kaiju vinyls bashing in my 9 y/o self bedroom. It's not a bad movie just because what I enjoy the most is the kaiju fights (and world building, but I guess it never seen as a plus point). It's like a ride at the amusement park. You came for the rides and you rate your experience based on it. Yea sure, waiting in lines issa bitch, but not really the main factor for you to say the whole park issa disaster not worth going to. If you still have fun, then it's worthwhile. And I dunno if this is a hot takes, but I kinda feel like ppl who sees that a kaiju movie could be good if and only if it got complex storytelling, deep message, and human drama, and rejects the very idea of coming to see it for kaiju battles are kinda trying too hard to convince ppl what they like is not childish. I kinda remember myself back in 8th grade, trying to be so edgy so that I'm seen as much more mature (man, I'm cringing). I like this anime cuz it got blood and gore, the story is complex, morally grey and unlike those peasants anime of friendship and adventure. I spit on such kiddie animes, I'm not like them. While I'm talking about an anime about giant robots going pew pew pew and the pew pew pew IS my main attraction. Now that I look back at it, it's just trying too hard that it's just kinda pathetic. Just embrace it, dude. But if your enjoyment truly came ony from complex story and human drama, then it's good. Just don't bring others down and act all superior. It could be a superiority thing isn't it? When it's too hard to be better than others, but you still wanted to, so the easiest way is to bring other ppl down. Yea sure, you're still on the same level, but at least others are below you and you're higher than them. An easy way of being "superior", or you could say an illusion of it. Oh, since you mentioned ppl overhyping some stuff up to the point such a built up expectation never actually able to be reach by the media, I really feel on that one. It's one of the reason I disliking it when something is too praised everywhere and peer pressuring everyone to check it out. I prefer to discover it myself and dive in without any expectation. My friend really love the anime called Mushoku Tensei, Frieren At The Funeral, and whenever I said I like an anime, he would always said "but (either one or both) are better in every single way and is the perfect anime in every single eps and in every single aspect". But then I go and see it, and I've experienced better. I guess not only that ppl who overhyped something pitch you a too high of a built up expectation, they also brings down whatever you like. I dunno, maybe they think "if I said this is better than the stuff he already like, he'll be excited to watch it". That... actually turns me off more. In all honesty I was moderately interested in Minus One, but when it is pitched by some, I unluckily stumbled upon more, as the absolute perfection that did the rights in everything and MV the wrongs in everything. Like, I get that upgrades are one of the things that sales pitch usually do, but when the supposed upgrades aren't even apple to apple, it kinda makes you feel like what you're liking is derided when was pitched such way. My "hatred" on Minus One already gone, now that it's not as in my face at every turn followed by the insults to what I like, I'm excited to check it out. Yea, I haven't watch it cuz it never aired here, but I do watch summaries, explanation, and stuff, so I do get a gist of it. My old man subscribe to Netflix and I would wanna watch it with my folks. I did watched GxK with my dad after all, and he cracked when Kong used Suko to bonk the other monkes. Sometimes I feel like my "hatred" on something isn't really on the said stuff itself, but more of some ppl who back it up in a way that brings other down. And jeez, this comment is longer than my essays in college.

[@kaijucanuck4492]

I also try to stay out of conversations like that as well, since they're usually unproductive. This case, however, just feels like the use of the term is so inarguably wrong that it was worth talking about. I am fortunate that I haven't yet run into a situation where my love of something is impacted by the people and community, but that's not to say that it hasn't come close haha

[@freedomwriter9688]

Give me a name of that guy

[@panduallen6712]

​@@freedomwriter9688ahaha... appreciate the sentiment, brother . But imma stay with "if you know, you know"

[@fabianstalder5008]

Wearing clothes is cultural appropriation 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Godisazilla]

Yeah, I’m definitely turning to Shaun of The Dead for his opinion on cultural appropriation. /s

[@SasquaDash]

The discourse surrounding Minus One is really going to hurt the film's reputation in the long run.

[@knightforlorn6731]

lets never forget, folks. Godzilla is a joint creation between Japan and America. Japan made the suit, we made the history.

[@DJAnubisMetalTavernRadio]

Im pretty sure Pegg has to be messing around. He cant be that dim.

[@kaijucanuck4492]

I double checked to be sure and it sure doesn't seem like a joke!

[@_thomaswaldron]

I think Simon Pegg hit on an interesting topic about cultural appropriation… I don’t condone the bashing of the American Godzilla movies, I actively enjoy them! However an argument can be made that they’re technically cultural appropriation. Saying this as a fan, still good to question forms of entertainment. The fact is, whether Toho have endorsed it or not, the concept of Godzilla is rooted in a deep political message and trauma that was made for the victims. And it’s been doctored for western audiences ever since Gojira (1954) you could argue the character of Godzilla has been culturally appropriated.

[@soogs6723]

That entire line of thinking falls apart when you realize japan turned him into a clapping dumbass, a superhero and then a force of nature in just the span of seventy years since his inception lol.

[@soogs6723]

And again that fact become abundantly clear when you’ve consumed literally other any Godzilla media that’s not shin Godzilla, minus one and 1954.

[@skotyb]

Just using the phrase 'Cultural appropriation' instantly makes you a bellend in my book

[@Seadinos56783]

I like minus one but I have to admit the hype made me think this was going to be the best thing ever, I didn’t watch it in theaters so Monday was the first day I watched it. It’s a good movie with beauitfully written characters but my only gripe is with it is how Godzilla is portrayed. In the 1954 film, I’ve always liked how they portrayed Godzilla as a tragic animal. He was a unjustly mutated and lashed out on humanity. It really feels like Godzilla is almost like an innocent bystander in a human conflict much like how civilians were bystanders in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nukings

[@roosterwithnoname9020]

Always go in with low expectations.

[@jarvaraproductions]

Honestly, I agree. I like the tragic side of godzilla's character in the original. It didn't really feel that way in minus one.

[@jacobsonstudiosgoji]

godzilla in minus one is just a REALLY angry guy.

[@Seadinos56783]

@@jacobsonstudiosgoji I don’t mind Godzilla being an antagonist but I was just expecting more out of him since it’s suppose to be like a homage to 1954

[@nomadproductions4051]

I don’t think Simon Pegg was saying that it literally was cultural appropriation, but more a catch all term to briefly explain his feelings on the matter. At least that’s what I got out of his most recent statement. What I got out of it from his analogy about the song about a bus crash was less a comment on them being more fun action focused like some think he’s saying and more on what they represent politically. I think he’s more discussing how he feels the original message of Godzilla feels diluted with the MV. Whether or not you agree with that is I whole other discussion entirely and it seems like you just released all about this topic. Ultimately I just find it sad how liking -1.0 has such a negative intonation now. It’s not fair to the movie and the crew to treat the film like it’s Voldemort because a bunch of 12 year olds on the internet are insecure about their opinions on GxK that can’t handle an ounce of criticism directed towards their golden goose who can do no wrong, the monsterverse.

[@saveriovinci1212]

(5:38) Everyone is going to feel differently about a movie, tv show, or a video game. Regardless if its popular or not, people just general have different taste. But I do think that the hype surrounding the movie is slowly dying down (especially if compared it to how it was back in December of last year), and people are starting to give their criticisms. 📈📽🦖📺📉 (3:53) Simply answer as to why this is happening, "LAZINESS". That is all lol. 🚙💨🛒

[@kaijucanuck4492]

Love the use of emojis haha

[@saveriovinci1212]

@@kaijucanuck4492 Why thank you, I mostly do it just for fun. Plus I figured it would help some people that read my comments understand what im talking about a little bit better lol.