Pirates of Silicon Valley - Great artists Steal

[@b00too]

not only could Xerox have ruled the PC business, but didn't they invent Ethernet too? they could've been Microsoft, Apple, and and Cisco all at once LOL

[@hinkhall5291]

They literally could had like a 500 billion dollar headstart on all the biggest technologies. - The mouse - The graphical user interface - Ethernet - Object Oriented Programming (smalltalk) They virtually gave it away. Xerox crawled so Apple and Microsoft could fly.

[@lect0n7]

My dad was there; the scene when all the apple engineers walk into the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, the huge guy with long blonde hair, he was representing my dad, Woz makes a comment in the movie about Mongrals invading and pillaging _[shaking head no]_ in reality he said “Vikings” and then he looked at my dad & said “Well, He’s a Viking, anyways…” and that’s what my dad said, he said there was an office full of Xerox Altos transferring files and e-mails between one-another & they were doing it *FAST* & Steve Jobs saw the GUI & was pacing around like an idiot saying “This could change the world!! This could change the world” because it was so much more user friendly…if Xerox had any interest in protecting this from being stolen, every one of those Apple Engineers would’ve been forced to sign Nondisclosure Agreements, Steve Jobs traded Xerox 1 million shares of Apple’s IPO which is incredibly illegal

[@tommitchell4570]

@@hinkhall5291 the Xerox brass was only looking for a quick buck, which is why they allowed Jobs to pillage all the great stuff being cooked up at PARC in exchange for a nice chunk of Apple's IPO launch --- if they had some competent executives, they could've been richer than Apple and Microsoft combined by the late 80's

[@claymac7895]

The Xerox "executives" should go down in history as achieving the greatest feat of grabbing defeat out of the JAWS of victory.

[@Jake-h3j9x]

​@@lect0n7thank you. What about the woman depicted here ? Was she realy the MAIN inventor of the mouse and/or the gcu ? What is your dads name ? Great story thanks for the clarification.

[@VijayKanta]

It's so amazing to see Noah Wyle superbly enacting Steve Jobs' personality.

[@dkupke]

Jobs actually ended up recruiting Wyle to play a gag on the audience at one of his annual expo's.

[@mansharker8]

Jobs personality is one of egomania and megalomania lol.

[@john-paulhunt4541]

And I don't care so long as they built it triggered SJWs and alt-right shills on the payroll smoking a cigarette.

[@rinnin]

Just came on here to say that. He did a great job and brilliant likeness too!

[@GIitchclan12]

"you want xerox to consider something called..... ahahahahah a mouse?" if only they knew.

[@milvache]

this is the best portrayl of Steve Jobs, I love this movie and this scene. Steve Jobs owns these people with his talking ability

[@CraigBickerstaff]

Steve Jobs hated the movie, he thought it had low production values, the only thing he liked was Noah Wyle's performance which is why he asked him to make an appearance at Macworld 1999.

[@rudyfat7073]

did not know that. Funny since this TV movie is probably the best version

[@webmasale]

Wozniak said they nailed the performances

[@cooldude333]

Of course he did. How dare his ego not have the highest of production value!

[@joshgellis3292]

That fucking blows my mind that he somehow hated this masterpiece.

[@pevlez]

I really don't think it was the production value, Steve hated it because it portrays him as if he stole the technology from xerox, which he (or actually apple) negotiated with xerox to obtain their technology in exchange of 20% of pre IPO apple stocks which was actually a pretty good deal

[@HowieFeltersnatchMD]

We watched this movie as part of my class in middle school and after each part we watched had to write an essay about what we learned as homework..that was the best part of private school..you do learn more for the money

[@smithrs]

At 0:15 you can see someone had enough love to make sure the original Smalltalk desktop from Xerox PARC was shown faithfully. Respect.

[@fyrestorme]

0:50 - every person I've ever presented a new idea to, ever.

[@freddyperezjr]

RIP Holly Lewis (Xerox project manager) actress gone too soon.

[@CarDietrich]

I have always found that redhead who works for Xerox very attractive.

[@crw3736]

Totally.

[@cflo1386]

They need to make a documentary on the Xerox engineers it would be interesting to know how they felt about the whole board room situation, how they engineered their version of the pc, network, gui, and what became of them.

[@Ozymandias1]

Some of them became rich like Bob Metcalf who invented ethernet and founded 3Com. And Charles Simonyi who invented Hungarian Notation and went on to work for Microsoft and became a billioniare, who was one of the first space tourists. BTW Apple didn't outright steal from Xerox, they gave them Apple stock in return for getting the right to Xerox's IP. Xerox did goof up they had this amazing technology and could have made much more by releasing their own products but they didn't see a market for them at the time. Apple did.

[@aarona1895]

They did. Don't know if you still check this, but if you reply, I'll find it for you.

[@charlesdjones1]

The most important of those Xerox PARC engineers to leave was Larry Tesler. Steve Jobs convinced him to join Apple and he went on to have an impactful 17 year career there.

[@hinkhall5291]

I’d be embarrassed to be a Xerox engineer. The first and only question for Xerox should be: *da fuck were ya thinking yo?!*

[@computerkid1416]

This movie introduced me to The Moody Blues' music.

[@joshgellis3292]

Well- other than hearing it when it was new or in concert- that’s STILL a fantastic introduction to their music! I REALLY like their: ‘Gemini Dream’- ‘Knights In White Satin’- ‘Just A Singer In A Rock And Roll Band’- I’m only 38, but I did know about ‘Gemini Dream’ when it was on the radio! lol. I wish I could of seen them in concert, but, it’s probably not going to happen.🥲

[@Mike_Roberty]

Good movie. I remember seeing it in school a while back.

[@cagemonkey22]

What I always found interesting about this scene is that for years many people criticized Microsoft for "stealing" DOS and licensing it to IBM.

[@Ozymandias1]

Microsoft bought the QDOS operating system from the Seattle Computer Company (it is shown in the movie) for few thousand dollars. Later SCP sued Microsoft and settled out of court and they got more money.

[@ace942]

@@Ozymandias1 Microsoft also hired Tim Patterson ( I think that was his name ) who was the programmer for QDOS so improvements could be made.

[@richardgladstone8975]

This movie was "art". Even when I was 13 and watched it when it first came out I knew it was amazing.

[@hosaepalvin9795]

that heel tap when the guy is walking on the screen makes me laugh loooool even the small sound effect

[@kueller917]

Apple were most definitely not the first ones to do something like this. I loved the way this scene was presented and it's a nice general reflection to the darker side of most innovations.

[@WenzelCORP]

And the sad part is the new movie "Jobs" will most likely make it look like Steve created the whole thing.

[@LewisCampbellTech]

Wasn't the mouse invented by Douglas Engelbart? I believe "the mother of all demos" from 1968 was when it was first shown.

[@thejasonknightfiascoband5099]

Exactly!

[@ace942]

True. I think Xerox hired him to work for them.

[@h4x0y]

Yup, with the most notable failure being the 13 years where Steve didn't work for Apple. And you see, you can't invent everything yourself. Every invention is based on earlier inventions, its like slowly creating some LEGO thing. Creativity is about connecting the dots, and there are no dots without inspiration. Steve LICENSED the idea of the GUI and mouse from Xerox (and made it 10x better with other "dots" like fonts and drawing), while Xerox STOLE the GUI and mouse from Douglas Engelbart.

[@GriggsC123]

Get real, would ya? You and I are both like guys who had this rich neighbor - Xerox - who left the door open all the time. And you go sneakin' in to steal a TV set. Only when you get there, you realize that I got there first. I got the loot, Steve! And you're yellin'? "That's not fair. I wanted to try to steal it first." You're too late.

[@Maniac536]

“We’re better than you…we…have better stuff…”

[@GriggsC123]

@@Maniac536 "You don't get it Steve, that doesn't matter."

[@AdhamOhm]

Xerox had an opportunity to be the top dog in the personal computer market, and they just said "eh, who cares?" I know hindsight is 20/20, but Xerox was legally blind here.

[@ClarenceDoskocil]

One of the largest business mistakes in history. One of the greatest opportunities in history.

[@Diskoboy1974]

Yup. Apple stole the GUI from Xerox PARC and in turn, Microsoft stole it from Apple.

[@calkelpdiver]

That's why Apple's suit against Microsoft was pulled. Xerox stepped up and said excuse me, we invented the GUI and we can sue you. Whoops!

[@Mr_Meowingtons]

its funny how apple was so pissed Windows 1.0 to 2.11 was hot trash comparted to the first mac.. only started to get good when windows 3.11

[@Lupinthe3rd.]

If steve was really smart he would have tried to steal away those xerox engineers alto to work for apple i think the mac would have been probably cheaper better designed and built when it came out in 1984

[@captainpharaoh]

You can see in the hospital scene that, eccentric as he was, Steve clearly cared about Woz and was concerned about him.

[@tommitchell4570]

It's really sad that Steve treated Woz better than his own daughter

[@cnsmiles]

Noah wiley soo much a better actor than ashton Kutcher.

[@montyi8]

He actually looked like Steve jobs

[@jts12fan]

So true, Ashton is so annoying, Noah is a million times better.

[@tubaguy11x]

Going to be watching this in my mangeral theory class later today.

[@jts12fan]

It’s funny Xerox is known as the copying company but everyone else copied from them.

[@charliedallachie3539]

Linux enters the chat

[@satyam1529]

Steve jobs saw the possibility of everything you can imagine as impossible. He transformed the computer world and bill steal it from him.

[@abdulbasit9435]

Wozniak looks like John Lennon

[@mspeter97]

Imagine what would have happened if Xerox actually sold that thing?

[@CraigBickerstaff]

Le Docteur They actually did sell it and well I guess you can only imagine how well it did since you didn't know they ended up actually doing that. I only know because it's in the Steve Jobs book, If I recall he dismisses it and then mocks it's sales figures to his staff also blatantly lies about the numbers and Bill Gates is left wondering why no one calls him on it.

[@jts12fan]

@@CraigBickerstaffSo I’m guessing Xerox did a horrible job marketing the software?

[@tommitchell4570]

@@jts12fan Xerox really bungled the whole thing --- the Alto was like $30,000 in 1979 which meant only the wealthiest corporations and universities could afford it --- if they coulda made it for under $2000 in 1980 then it would've put Apple and Microsoft out of business!

[@nychold]

Those engineers likely signed papers which said, in short, anything they designed was the property of Xerox, plus NDAs (nondisclosure agreements) preventing them from discussing it with anyone without Xerox's permission. In short, they would have ended up in court and bankrupt.

[@iamgermane]

Ya wasn't Xerox trying to sell a computer for $10K?? Jobs tried it 10 years later with NeXT and it failed.

[@lykajoyce1475]

Where can i watch the full movie?

[@arielgoldfarb4118]

The woman/actor engineer that invented the mouse and the SO its FUCKING BEATIFULL.

[@gabrielarosaneto8746]

0:13 what is the name of this song?

[@loupelez1551]

We had that Sony TV back in the day

[@PhilippMaierTelevision]

Are i am the only one that notices? The Xerox Alto looks like a replica. The keyboard and the mouse may be genuine. But the Screen and the stand are fake. The screen bezels are looking different. The screen ratio also looks different. On the original xerox they are much rounder. If it is a replica, it is done very well for sure.

[@BeierFilms]

[My 2 Cents] Problem with the fake crop is that it cuts off the tops of people's heads in some shots and the bottom of their faces in others. I think if you believe that composing for a screen is an art , it's good to trust the intention of the director and cinematographer and not go back and change their work. A 2:35 aspect ration isn't automatically better than 1:85 or 1:33. It's just a frame to put images in and you can make amazing shots in any of them. You wouldn't chop off the top and bottom of a Van Gogh painting because you thought it should be more "landscape" in aspect ratio.

[@CraigBickerstaff]

+David Beier I'm not advocating anything or pushing a cause or even critiquing the director's vision with this. I just did this all those years ago because aesthetically I prefer widescreen and I wanted to see if I could make it work, I'm not 100% happy with it, I think I tried a few tweaks later on which made it better but it's the art of the compromise because there are some shots, one in particular where it doesn't work very well at all. This isn't cropping a Van Gogh though people do that all the time.

[@GenerationXT]

The heads of Xerox obviously made a big mistake. But I believe the people who actually did the work, developing the concept made a big one as well. The people who developed it obviously seen the potential. They should have taken their research, left the company and went out on their own, telling Xerox, and Steve Jobs to all screw themselves.

[@tonyp3468]

Is this a movie about Apple? Steve was more of a Apple and NeXT man, someone explain this?

[@Smokerkun]

Looks like that Jobs movie didn't pan out very well. Funny how a TV movie can outdo a Hollywood production.

[@amangadpale9284]

Which song is it in beginning

[@ryankramer]

This clip is only slightly more accurate than Social Network's opening 10 minutes.

[@The.Man.WithAPlan]

I won't do it then proceeds to do it.

[@tonyavila2540]

Ya Xerox completely blew it, I'm from San Jose Ca born and raised and it is a special place were tech is every we're no place like it

[@valentinarosales5681]

Hello guys, I need this video in spanish or with subtitles in spanish, Can someone tell me where can I search? // necesito este video en español o subtitulado, Alguien puede decirme donde lo puedo conseguir?

[@valentinarosales5681]

Graciiiaaasss

[@gadget00]

you know, watching this in retrospective, I think Christian Bale could have been a better pick for the Jobs character than Fassbender in the new movie. Kutcher was great as Jobs, but maybe Bale could have nailed it too in the looks

[@gregorymoore2877]

Wierd. When I watch this, I think Noah Wyle was the man for the job.

[@jts12fan]

@@gregorymoore2877He is and was the best for the Job lol

[@gregorymoore2877]

@@jts12fan I didn't just want Noah Wylie to play Steve Jobs. I wanted the movie to include the MacWorld Keynote where Noah Wylie goes to MacWorld and plays Steve Jobs. And then Noah Wylie playing Steve Jobs would come out and give Noah Wylie tips on how to play Steve Jobs. Total missed opportunity.

[@MarvelousLXVII]

I loved this movie--way more than "Steve Jobs."

[@Beergut222]

Great post, and completely agree with you.

[@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam]

It's funny that Steve Jobs liked to brag that great artists steal, then threw a tantrum when Android (as he believed) stole from iOS (Even though Android preceded iOS)

[@ParanoiaA22]

People don’t like it when others play them at their own game.

[@bradfromthevalley3469]

t stivers is the woman?

[@lanesmerge]

This is classic! especially after the samsung ruling LMAO!

[@unpaidpiper]

Hey, that actually works really well, even the part with Woz on the computer screen. Maybe the shot where Steve gets out of the car needed to be with the frame put higher. Can you do that kind of editing, or is it just "cut the edges" ?

[@joekluv9738]

Can anyone tell me where I can find the full movie.

[@henritje19]

not really, Xerox would probably developed their own OS or MS would have bought it.

[@pevlez]

This scene is what pissed of Jobs because it puts Steve and Bill gates on the same moral level, when actually apple negotiated with xerox for their technology in exchange for 20% of their pre ipo stocks, in fact many of the PARC employees ended up working at apple

[@fabralaommakka6679]

🥰🥰👍👍🤩🤩

[@satyam1529]

If Steve jobs continued in Apple that time, today Microsoft wouldn't be existed in such position.

[@CraigBickerstaff]

There is no real guarantee of that, Steve made some pretty key mistakes at NeXT and Pixar which a lot of people think he learned some important lessons from. Apple also actually did really well under John Scully. It's really the guys who came after he was forced out that fumbled the company. Steve also didn't really have the trust of the board back then and burnt a lot of bridges so he wasn't really in a position to have the same sort of impact he had on his return when he had some actual power with the company. He was planning a project called the "Big Mac" at the time which would have been similar to the NeXT cube I think but he was forced off of the project as well as the Macintosh before he was forced out of the company so maybe that wouldn't have happened either.

[@Dustie1984]

Umm, yeah?

[@pushkarhagawane2907]

Xerox was smart and dumb at the same time

[@CraigBickerstaff]

I think the reality of the situation really does show what Apple's strength was and still is. It's execution of an idea. A lot of people remember the idea that Apple stole the GUI from Xerox and assume they must've been too silly to try and do it themselves. Problem is they actually did make a computer and they also beat Apple to market with it. It was just really crappy and not a lot of people bought one. What Apple really did was take their ideas and execute them a lot better, though some of the ideas got left behind to be remembered later for the NeXTStep computer. I think the best example was that the Xerox couldn't do overlapping windows. But the guy from Apple thought they did so he made the Mac do what Xerox failed to accomplish.

[@CarlMarxPunk]

Idk if there's something to the fact that the only time we see a woman working as the head of a project independent of Microsoft or Apple in the entire movie is in the scene where that team gets their inventions and achievements taken from them. Interesting to say the least.

[@carlosgoulart6206]

Apparently back then Xerox was in a bind financially and traded knowledge of the GUI for Apple stock.

[@RobbieStrike]

Actually there was also Visi On in 1983 for pc's that was a GUI kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZSXqHmbi9t-iqs

[@drkinferno72]

Do that nowadays and you'll have lawyers and lawsuits up the ass. That's just the government, we haven't even started with what the corporations will do.

[@keepprocrastinating]

Man I really should edit my statement it's full of typos stupid smartphone =(

[@thedungeondelver]

Steve Jobs was a monster.

[@Aquamelli]

You worked at PARC? Hard to believe if you can't even spell Xerox correctly

[@loupelez1551]

Syntax Error

[@roryalvarez2890]

I wish they did dump a big real RAT on the stupid table and make xerox image looks bad..

[@lecoquierrebastien4973]

Steve jobs looks like the bad in Disney's Movies !!

[@keepprocrastinating]

À very shameful act for apple's head: Steve Jobs. He isn't revolutionary he's just a good thief and as good he makes sure everything stays quiet therefore most customers difn't know about it. Shout out to Xerox nice work.

[@CaesarCassius]

In Russia, you make copy of Xerox

[@Riffmaster227]

😂😂😂

[@HikikomoriDev]

Cheesy quotes.

[@MrHunkalicious]

Steve Jobs = "Bill Gates is the true visionary --- I'm the stealer"

[@marykristinenievares938]

bakit wla na full movie

[@techaztech2335]

Nope, that one doesn't either, because....well, that's the truth. Steve was actually kind of a D-bag.

[@S_Warden]

This goes to prove you should never be conservative in business.

[@anotherfool9278]

Steal? Well if Picasso did say that, in that context then he’s wrong. You copy to learn from the past great artists and once you can copy what they have done to a T, you can then create your own pieces in the style of which you copied. Stealing only implies you have learned nothing and therefore are not artists

[@anotherfool9278]

@The Fandom Menace Yes. You can steal an idea. Simply by taking it from someone else and copying it to a T and calling it yours. No credit given to the original artist. Copying is just to learn and get better. Once learned, you gotta make it your own by changing it to fit what you like. Human beings can not create an original idea out of nothing. But we can mix and match things together to create news ideas. And after a while of mixing and matching, ideas get so frankensteined together it almost seems like an original idea. So the only way to steal an idea is to not make it your own. Which can only be done with focused intent. I think all artists can agree it’s hard to copy someone else’s work to a T. Hell its hard enough just to match styles when working on a team. Lol. But the point is, in order to steal an idea, you gotta really try to do it. Just like stealing anything, it’s only theft if you intend for it to be that way. As for the famous part. Most artists these days are more concerned with someone stealing their idea and getting rich off it than creating good art. It’s hard to copy someone exactly so if someone steals one of my ideas, I say bring it on. The theif will make their version and I will make mine. Being more popular doesn’t make one better than the other. Like with all things in life, you gotta do it for yourself. If you do then you’ll at least guaranteed one fan. But if you do it for others then you might end up without any fans. And even if everyone loves your art, is it really worth it if you hate it? I have never tried Hydrox but maybe Oreos taste better. Maybe their marketing was better. Maybe they had better resources to have a faster and more efficient production. Maybe Oreos watched Hydrox to see what worked and what didn’t and improved upon the process. There are a number of factors as to why one won the popularity contest over the other. So in the end, Oreo did make it their own but just maybe not in the obvious way.

[@darbyheavey406]

Who did invent the mouse? Was it a woman engineer?