"What Does Bill Gates Have Against Me?" (Kate Winslet Scene) | Steve Jobs

[@quarantinebored1427]

I can’t remember who won best supporting actress that year but Kate Winslet should’ve won that year

[@TheSchaef47]

Kate Winslet entirely upstaged Fassbender every time they shared a screen. I didn't even recognize her at first, until the third act.

[@WallaceGromit88]

Wait lol, this is Kate winslet?! The titanic one?!

[@RC-br1ps]

😂​@@WallaceGromit88

[@adawgnamedcat]

@@WallaceGromit88it’s not like she’s covered in prosthetics 😂

[@danieldevito6380]

Are you high? Even Seth Rogen was more exciting to watch than Kate.

[@manofarms89]

The way she nails Joanna Hoffman's accent is my favorite part of her portrayal.

[@nccnandu]

Kate Winslet slays everytime. She is generational . She is uniquely special

[@johnreece5540]

@@nccnandu Never would have happened either way. When I saw "Titanic" really wanted Kate Winslet. After seeing "Steve Jobs" would be happy to be in the company of Kate Winslet. Either way a pipe dream.

[@smans03]

Duuude Kate killed this scene

[@halycon404]

What annoys me about this is Gates did win. Her figures aren't exactly fair either. 1 million in the first month, 20 thousand after that. This was 1998. Three years earlier Microsoft sold 40 million copies of Win95 in a single year. Win98 that same year sold more copies than Apple sold iMacs over the course of their entire product run. The iMac was a hit for Apple scales of what constitutes a hit. Apple didn't hit it big till the iPod and didn't actually have a homerun product till the iPhone. Microsoft is still shipping more units in a month than Apple ships in a year today. Apple has an extraordinarily high markup, which is why they compete in net revenue numbers. They don't actually compete in market share, it's not even close. Apple still hasn't made a single dent in Microsoft's core businesses.

[@localblackman427]

Apple is an OEM. They sell more than a lot of OEMs. Microsoft is a software giant that has several OEMs to ship windows. That's why

[@kirinrex]

The sad part is also that Apple is slowly losing due to poor decision-making. Steve Jobs may not have been a nice guy, but he understood marketing, and he understood customer service and customer satisfaction. After he passed away, Apple went back to the same company-centric sell-more policies that nearly killed the company after Jobs was effectively forced to resign in 1985. First there were the "updates" to ipods and early iphones (between 2014-2016) that caused deliberate performance issue in order to push people to upgrade to new units (for which Apple was sued, and for which this year they have started to pay out the 500 million dollar damages). Then it was the increasingly difficult-to-maintenance imacs, meant to not just discourage people from opening up their imacs and doing maintenance, but to actively make it dangerous to do so, by having unshielded shock hazards connected to the batteries. This, in part led to the 2022 Granato v Apple lawsuit and the US Right to Repair bill. Then it was refusing to do maintenance on any imac more than 3 years old, telling people to just "send it back for recycling" (i.e. "throw it away) and buy a new one, while offering reimbursements that were pennies on the dollar ... and only valid on hardware. This last was why I finally quit buying apple products and went out and bought me an old-fashioned windows11 tower computer, so that now, when something goes wrong, I can pop it open, replace the worn out part, and continue. The truth is, unless Apple is willing to embrace the customer and embrace customer service again, they'll continue to leak marketshare, no matter how cool their new products are. Jobs was more than a software genius. He was a business genius. But he understood that the life and success of apple wasn't just about the hardware or the software, and that you had to balance company interest with customer service. When Steve Jobs took $150 million from Microsoft to save Apple, in return for allowing intel chips in iMacs, Steve Jobs said that "what was really clear was that if the game was a zero-sum game where for Apple to win, Microsoft had to lose, then Apple was going to lose." This decision not only helped Apple recover from financial problems, it brought a LOT of new possibilities to the iMac and made them better, and in return, protected Microsoft from being "Ma-Bell"'d by the anti-trust commission. It was good for everybody and it was a stroke of genius from both Jobs and Bill Gates.

[@halycon404]

@@localblackman427 A comparable PC costs about half of what a Mac costs. Multiple competitors in the space drives the cost down. Microsoft makes money off all of them. But that's only half the reason. Exchange. No one makes a product which competes with Exchange. Not truly. And Exchange forces everyone into Microsoft's ecosystem. Even Apple users. Mac users still need a copy of Office if they work in an office. Office is the standard, because of Exchange Server. Exchange does so much and there are so many backend control tools for companies that they will not leave it. Office covers most of what a company needs an employee to do and a comparable PC to run Office is half the cost of a Mac. Pushing companies into Windows simply from a price point of getting an entire company setup with all the tools they need. None of that was by accident. That was a thought out plan. Windows is not The Holy Grail of Microsoft. The combination of Exchange and Office are. It all starts from Exchange being the only product of it's type which then causes a domino effect of the entire Microsoft product line being bought. Even if a company doesn't buy Windows they still are sold a copy of Office for every computer there.

[@jasonreid9267]

"Win98 that same year sold more copies than Apple sold iMacs over the course of their entire product run" You realize that you're comparing the sales of a CD-ROM with the sales of a computer, right? If you looked at data from ~2010, Apple literally had >90% of the market share of PCs that cost over $1000. I don't need to sell as many units as you when the stuff I'm selling costs 25x what you're selling. "What annoys me about this is Gates did win." I don't know how you're defining "win". Both companies trade back and forth over which is the most valuable company in the world literally to this day. Both Gates and Jobs wanted closed ecosystems (Gates wanted a closed software ecosystem, Jobs wanted a closed hardware & software ecosystem), but neither of them got them. The Internet ended those dreams for both of them.

[@halycon404]

@@jasonreid9267 I'm defining "win" by the market share which actually matters. The implication of the scene is that Gates was worried that Apple would overtake Microsoft in market share. Didn't ever happen. Not even close. Android came along and ate both of their lunches in pure OS market share of users. Windows controls the business and government share worldwide. And Apple is a far far far off second place in both mobile and PCs. Apple has a tiny market share comparatively but they market themselves as a luxury brand to charge an insane markup. Which is how they had 90% of the market share on +$1000 PCs. When they are charging double what any other hardware vendor is for the exact same equipment they can hit $1000 fast.

[@edwardhannah8507]

Fassbender doing those stretches just reminded me of that scene in The Killer lol

[@mrcat3532]

Exactly

[@thoughful_consumer001]

He's doing Yoga. Suryanamaskar to be precise.

[@Rek_Rc]

The more I learn about Steve jobs, the more I admire and dislike him simultaneously. But, the cold hard truth of success is that it takes sacrifice, sometimes great sacrifice. Sometimes it can cost a person every other person they care about, which ironically are the same people they hope to take care of through being successful. Of course, it doesn't always have to be this way. But anytime someone charts a new path in the world, be it through technology, entertainment, politics, athletics, almost any area really, those sacrifices seem to get more and more steep. I think it's the very reason why almost every human has the same potential, but only very few realize it. Then again, the "average joe" is every bit as heroic and necessary as any major leader in anything really. Without average joe, nothing else happens at all, ever. So if you're the very best CEO in the world, or the hardest worker at your job, you're totally equal in value to the world, remember that.

[@CruzCGK]

It’s fictional, he never won against bill he lost lol, they even had to bail him out

[@Rek_Rc]

@@CruzCGK it doesn't matter that it's fictional, or who won against who. The point remains the same, success requires painful sacrifice, period.

[@CreativeMaxer]

You have to be at some point morally corrupted. That's what it takes.

[@gregorydryden7865]

@@Rek_Rc define success: is it merely the "bottom line" and huge financial windfalls? I promote a new concept "capitalism with a conscience" where not only do the risk takers make great financial reward but they are willing to take less to reinvest in employees so they can make a real living wage and reinvest back in America and instead of answering the the wims of sociopathic cold hearted stock holders, they rather create income producing entities that are like a tree of life so to speak that multitudes can come and eat the fruit rather than a few exclusive beings. The problem with our current system of America is the age old timeless Biblical principal that destroys like a cancer : GREED. (no matter how greed is packaged is it is evil and selfish, there must be a proper equilibrium point between profit incentive and desire to create organizations that benefit as many people as possible, and I don't mean merely consumers)

[@Rek_Rc]

@@gregorydryden7865 to me success isn't necessary about business. Accomplishment is more what I have in mind. Setting a record, changing how the world operates, winning a championship of some kind. All those things are less about finance, and more about drive and sacrifice. That's the side of jobs that I admire, how he handled relationships was awful and as far as I can tell, transactional at most

[@moelester4085]

“On your left Bill”

[@ChuckBerrington]

Sad part is that the only thing that made Steve care was that another man was being patron to his daughter. That he was losing power to another man who would then claim that, he paid for Steve Job's daughter's tuition. He was afraid that this would taint his legacy or at least the mystique of his legend. It's sad because all the things that made him wonderful and interesting also made him a horrible human being with a massive ego. There's this myth that there was some zen-like quality to him, but to be honest he was a car salesmen with a talent for imagination. He was cut-throat, mean-spirited, angry, petty, and insanely diluted. He didn't invent any of the innovations or technology that his company developed, but stood forward as the composer of the symphony. However, he did have some key basic principles which guided much of his success. I just feel a great sense of loss in terms of getting a real depiction of the man. In terms of legacy, his sudden death was probably the best thing to happen to him. If left to his own devices he would have inevitably withered away in some bad gamble or horrible decision. A scandal or a damaged reputation, he would have just been another figure who influenced the world for a brief moment in time, like Alexander the Great, Henry Ford, or The Beatles. He's now tied directly with the company he founded; Linked for eternity. Chained by history and institutionalized by economies. That's the real tragedy, that we'll build these monuments of cinder. Hollow effigies to prop up these empires of hypocrisy and greed. A cult to sell you an overpriced phone you didn't need, made by slaves you don’t care for, in a place you never heard, for the benefit of people who hate your very existence. How can one rise above such great shadows of myth and legend? The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves...

[@Bleeped]

Advice: Don't buy an iPhone

[@sorsun46]

dude this is just a movie, Lisa moved to Job's house when she was about 10, and changed her lastname to Jobs when she was 9, most of this movie is BS, just watch any interview to Wozniak about it

[@ChuckBerrington]

@@sorsun46 I have. Wozniak sold all his Apple stock early on and pretty much parted ways with Steve. He was very sentimental but he also is very honest about how Steve took advantage and mistreated people. Blame can go all over the place but regardless. My opinion was an overall reflection of the movie and the figure it's based on. I mean, there's dozens on interviews of people who interacted with Steve and talk about how much of an asshole he was. He pushed a lot out of people, and to be fair it probably cost him his life. The idiot thought he could 'BS' cancer, ended up wasting a organ donor's liver to get a couple of months more time, after failing miserably with his special juice blends and crystals and shit. His ignorance and ego forced him to reject basic medical treatment. What a bozo.

[@jaythomas468]

I always think of that old videogamedunkey video when people mention Bill Gates NOW. “I’m Bill Gates.” “No, I’m Bill Gates.” “….I’m gay.” 😂

[@4partmedia]

Movies about people eavesdropping on conversations.. lol

[@joeshittheragman6252]

I can't believe Steve Jobs died from Ligma

[@DickSimmons2]

Who the hell is Steve Jobs?

[@jeepowner2675]

Balls

[@abudianto]

It was Pancreatic Cancer.

[@jeepowner2675]

@@abudianto ligma balls anyways

[@CesarALlanos]

Who’s Steve Jobs

[@Aaron-hb4wu]

I'll sum the entire thing up using laymens terms Gates and jobs both stole Xerox's copy for windows/general operating systems Xerox was a monopoly and didn't want to disrupt the market so they were holding the technology back for almost a decade. Gates and jobs saw it and started copying. Jobs was just a showman and had no idea how it actualky worked beyond his bro tech talk, gates knew exactly how it worked Gates knowing what he was doing generated windows out at insane speeds while jobs havjng no idea what was going on kept fighting with programmers who most likely got pissed and tanked the effort. Jobs was enraged gates beat him claiming he stole it abd took it to court. Gates lost in court because they all stole it from xerox and simply wiped out part of the code. Jobs had a melt down nearly went to jail for various frauds until gates bought him out and made hundreds of billions. Once jobs ego waa broken by gates he chilled out towards gates and they became friends. Gates kept jobs around as front man for apple. Jobs was just a realky good salesman nothing more and gates invented most of the software that everything was built on until Zuckerberg showed up. The apple phone design doesnt come from jobs. It comes from gates and woz. The entire story has been changed so many times to make jobs look brilliant and a harbinger of technology and visionary because hes still associated with apple and gates has a bad Q rating. Without guys like Woz, gates, Zuckerberg, nothing would work and I think its too hard for people to accept these nerds invented everything cool

[@GordonChaffin]

I feel like you're forgetting Johnny Ive and the fact that since like 2005/the onset of 25 down/3 up broadband, being "a nerd" has been fantastically cool.

[@apointtomake1517]

Jesus, I can't find any truth to your babble. And your version of the history of the Apple Phone is hilariously false.

[@radfordmcawesome7947]

​@@apointtomake1517 seriously, his entire rant is nothing but the "bro-tech talk" he himself puts down. just name-dropping tech celebrities and showing zero comprehension of any meaningful aspect of the subject matter

[@Geojr815]

So you’re saying computers might not even exist without Steve Jobs. He really was an incredible man.

[@markmiller6111]

What great technology did Zuckerberg build? FB was any social platform, multiple ones existed before it, MySpace, Friendster? Facebook was a success not due to technological genius but due to marketing, targeting the right audience and intent.

[@alexshank1414]

His greatest creation was right in front of him and didn’t realize he created it. It was just part of the human process. Another step. A software update of the human condition.

[@Jake-h3j9x]

​​@@spanishflea634you.

[@Jake-h3j9x]

​@@spanishflea634ohhhhh. Did that comment touch your twittle nerves ??????? Feeling uncomfortable with the truth about life ? Ohhhhh.

[@LlaneroDeTorunos]

I struggle to accept the "You won" part. I'm sorry, but where I'm from Windows has about a 99.8% market dominance. From office computers down to using W98 for our ATM units. Apple product exists and people want them (myself included) but they are too unaffordable for people like us. 1,700.00USD for a laptop? Beautiful and gorgeous but too expensive.

[@ddebnath11]

I am a windows user too but when you factor in the fact that Macbook is one company and windows is a million ones, in that perspective, apple "won"...but ya I still think its unfair. One of my friends has a mac and it cannot do common basic stuff in google chrome lol. People only "want" apple products for that apple logo. I bet, if a MacBook or an iPhone did not have that logo it would absolutely be worthless no matter how good it is in functionality. This is the very reason they get away with a goddamn 60 Hz display in a flagship phone in 2024 when even entry level androids nowadays have 120 Hz refresh rate displays. Apple is more of a fashion brand ever since Jobs died. When you strip away the value of that logo, you will realize that most apple products are NOT at all different from androids, and windows...it's just that they have arguably the best and most successful marketing strategy in any company in history ever.

[@Chevalier_knight]

"Youre going to win" lol windows is in the majority of pcs

[@chessthoughts]

But jobs also introduced iPhones to the world... And windows seems uninterested in the mobile game.. so...shrug?

[@Chevalier_knight]

@@chessthoughts iphones are no where near as good as aneroids iphones get android features 10 years later

[@M.P.D.G]

@@Chevalier_knightLMAO

[@reidboggs4344]

And Apple is the first company with a market capitalization of over $1 trillion.

[@chrispember172]

@@Chevalier_knight pretty big cap

[@njoYYY]

Almost the whole movie is about Steve Jobs not realizing he already lost the argument in the first 4 seconds but keeps going lol

[@jonathan_morgan_st]

For those trying to compare Microsoft to Apple: dont. Its not even apples to oranges, it's apples to unicorns.

[@robpolaris7272]

When your GF has to threaten you to treat your daughter like a person. He’s a billionaire and his daughter was only eating because her mother was on government assistance.

[@ernestpresents]

since 2012 every new device i have purchased i have liked less. the last few years it has felt as if i have been actively discouraged to invest energy in any new product i use. my future_nature is dropping out.

[@tonyliang8099]

Like u know cat b gonna blame me and yet u still choose to

[@tonyliang8099]

Boat rocking maybe

Let's be real, if Steve Jobs lived today he'd be your another Elon Musk type 🙂

[@Simone-Bucn]

🙄

[@Kylefassbinderful]

It's early 1984 and I highly doubt anybody is comparing anything to Windows lol.

[@Kevin-tz2lv]

This takes place in 98, not 84.

[@rambo9199]

He does not want less privacy... not even ironic just plain narcissistic given what apple does.

[@Geojr815]

Did Bill Gates invent Apple?

[@bartologomez9309]

No he built Microsoft

[@Geojr815]

@@bartologomez9309 what’s the difference?

[@geomonabe]

He saved it for sure.

[@Axeonfluke]

Kinda

[@user-uv7eb1fi4b]

Smartest KZbin commenter

[@RakibHasan-hs1me]

Respect for Steve. You have pushed this industry to what its today.

[@sameer8056]

jobs is way better movie than this. The hero donot look or feel like steve jobs. in jobs its like literally him

[@mje1984x]

the writing in this movie is so bad lol

[@johnreece5540]

Cite examples.

[@wiiplaya25]

Please elaborate.

[@Kevin-tz2lv]

😅 the guy too dumb to understand Sorkin writing

[@LlaneroDeTorunos]

@@Kevin-tz2lv You'd be surprised at just _how_ many people simply don't 'get' Sorkin's writing and simply go "It's pretentious and overbearing because I don't understand what he's trying to say".