Pity for "Anti-Woke" Influencers

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[@joeyunderwood]

my favourite thing is that the right-wing and “anti-woke” crowd constantly call people “snowflakes”, when they’re the ones that cannot stop whining about EVERYTHING

[@shaunmccomish8572]

​@@suckieduckie"Both sides" 🙄 Would really like to know how the Social Justice side whinges that compares to White Cis-Het manbabies melting down over pronouns in the character creation section in Starfield.

[@Slayerlord13]

Most if not all of their accusations seem to be projection

[@Elwaves2925]

I always like to point out that the 'anti-woke' are their own form of woke. Same goes for when SJW was the favourite term they used. They've woken up to what they believe are injustices and they highlight them, they talk about others having an agenda while having an agenda themselves and they lack anything beyond re-parroting the same meaingless, cliched, lame terms.

[@arubinojr5670]

@@shaunmccomish8572 Probably not saying anything you don't know, but they don't really know. "Both sides" is just like a magic incantation at this point for the Excuse Conservatism at All Costs spell that is the core of centrism.

[@knitcrochettiger361]

no no no....the Right-wingers are worse than snowflakes....they are "Butthurtlians"

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

I truly can't imagine being so terrified of women and black and gay people in media that you spend every day crying about it. It must be so exhausting being so negative all the time.

[@waffles3629]

Also by them saying that women, black, and queer people are only in those positions to fill diversity quotas they are saying that women, black, and queer people are inherently less intelligent and less talented. It's really telling.

[@ramigilneas9274]

And now try to steelman their position without getting a stroke.😂

[@darkshadowrule2952]

Honestly, I think it goes in the other direction, they're so miserable they're looking for someone else to blame, that's what made it so enticing when I was younger and in a far more vulnerable place mentally. The more happy you become, the more you realize everyone isn't out to get you. Even being a marginalized person, I know it's not the whole world being shit, it's a handful of people with a lot of power

[@clubkayserrecords]

I know someone personally who is like that, and it really is sad, they're depressed, they go to therapy, they're pessimistic about everything. To know these people in person is so much of a different experience than it is to know them on the internet.

[@Tillyard86]

I don't even understand the appeal of watching this kind of stuff. Even just looking at the thumbnail for this kind of content makes me depressed. If I agree it's not very interesting because they will tell me stuff I already know, and if I don't agree, it will just make me mad.

[@crazywhofan6676]

I don't pity them because they have ruined film criticism and film discussion which is my favorite thing in the world.

[@Silverwind87]

I have more pity for the people that they have harassed for being gay, bi, trans, disabled, and/or a person of color. I have more pity for the marginalized children who were told by these KZbinrs that they can't have role models that look like them because it's "forced diversity." I have more pity for the victims of hate crimes caused by the anti-SJW to fascist pipeline.

[@jeremyblade7561]

I pity them, but only because I know they would hate it. They're literally being pitied by a middle age, balding, bisexual.😂 Definitely rather be me than them.

[@iggyelle]

If that ain't the truth. It sucks that when i get a new Film or video game discussion channel recced to me, I usually have to check their other videos first to vet whether or not they're chud channels.

[@Dave102693]

Agreed.

[@Silverwind87]

​@@jeremyblade7561 They'd hate being pitied, because that would mean admitting they were duped by the far right. Also because the only people who will give them sympathy are the people they hate.

[@BlueBeetle1939]

I think its really pathetic how they can never talk about dialogue or theme or any kind of actual criticism of a work because theyre stuck on the color or gender of the imaginary people. Some truly amazing films television books and games have come and gone totally unremarked on beyond "woke" and "girlboss mary sue" because legions of "real fans" insist on not enjoying *anything*

[@italianknight78]

No need to make new IP with diverse new characters when you have the pander stone.

[@sillyspider]

​@@italianknight78tell me you know nothing about media creation and ip's without telling me you know nothing about media creation and ip's.

[@sillyspider]

​@@italianknight78also the point of reusing old ip's wasn't even brought up intill YOU started bitching about it. you've just created a whole "problem" that wasn't even part of the original discussion, just so you could complain and whine about it.

[@GT-wj3gl]

​@italianknight78 whenever we make new IPs you people complain about that too. It gets pelted with the same "oh this is pandering" bullshit as if it were an old IP.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

​​@@italianknight78like you "antiwoke" types haven't complained about every new IP on the market made by poc or queer artists which feature people like them.

[@jaredofmo]

My family has a history of high blood pressure on both sides. My mom had it. At the beginning of 2022, I stayed with my parents while looking and saving for a new apartment on my own. I noticed my mother would pull up a video from her favorite "Christian" influencer and then watch what KZbin would serve her on autoplay. And soon, she was fuming about the "What is a woman" question and trans people and all sorts of things. In December of that year, after I'd moved out, she had two strokes and then spent two weeks in the hospital before we had to make the decision to let her pass comfortably. She had health issues and I can't say that watching outrage content caused her strokes. But I think I can say that they didn't help.

[@alim.9801]

I am very sorry for your loss my friend 💜 Especially if you have different views than your family it gets complicated, but a loss of life and someone you loved is always really hard and i hope you and your family are taking care and doing as ok as you can, yknow? It definitely seems like the content doesn't help. But i hope that she is in a better place now man. I know im a youtube stranger but seriously, with all i can, im wishing you and your people some peace. Everyone needs that. Especially after loss, but even more after a maybe turbulent relationship loss. I hope im not making too many assumptions. I apologize if i am, i guess the main point is that i hope you and your family are ok and taking care of yourselves, and taking care of your health 💜

[@kontankarite]

Hell, I even gotta limit my exposure to left wing dunk videos because what they're criticizing is so egregious; that it gets me angry. So I gotta distance myself. Unironically, hearing crap from the likes of Shapiro or Walsh will ruin my day. Id be less upset if they didnt have a small army of stochastic terrorists. But here we are.

[@waffles3629]

@@kontankarite yep. I make myself take time off between debunk videos. Because it's still hard even with a rational voice.

[@greenghoul157]

I want to live in a world where gay characters are treated as normal as straight ones

[@vforwombat9915]

give it another 10 years or so. first gay character in modern media that was.... I'm gonna say Billy Crystals character on Soap. i'm no expert, i mighta missed some. anyway, how he portrayed it and how he was addressed by others is cringe inducing now, even tho Soap was pretty woke. fast forward 15 years and we get Ellen, who is the lead character on a show. we're 20 years or so on from Ellen now and the existence of gays in modern content is accepted almost universally in the Western world. there's always gonna be bigots, but homosexuality has by and large been accepted. in another 10 years i don't think you'll see any pushback at all except from the furthest fringes. which is why the fight has moved on to trans ppl. it's really the latest and probably the last battlefront in the culture wars that started in the 60s.

[@irondragonmaiden]

Female characters don't get treated as normal as male characters. They either get the benign sexism treatment or the "how dare she be selfish" for doing what male characters with agency do treatment. It's gonna take a LONG while for gay or female characters to be treated like assumed straight male characters are

[@RenceAsANoob]

But not tokenized.

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

​@@RenceAsANoob Yes, that's what OP said. If they're treated as normal, then they inherently aren't being tokenized

[@brennaflaherty8871]

I want to live in a world where not just characters but real people who aren't white, straight, cisgendered, abled, men are treated as normally and equally as those who are white, straight, cisgendered, and abled.

[@nightowl8477]

There's a tweet that lives rent-free in my head, and it's someone asking a mid-scale anti-woke KZbinr _"Why don't you just stop."_ And he actually replied. He said _"What choice do I have?"_ I've had your same struggle of pity since.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Wow, that's just sad, because that person is definitely living in existential bad faith, and they've chosen their prison.

[@user-xx7kl7sr6i]

TBH, the same applies to woke youtubers. The literal word-for-word. And it's sad, not because "woke bad" but because no one can come to an agreement, ever, or not a long-standing one. Which is one of the big warnings from analysts from way back. To not let conflict become a never ending war, because then war becomes peace, and everything makes no sense because the contrary of reality is true but also false. I.e., everyone goes mad. No one ever achieves nothing worth mentioning.

[@contactvamps]

I'm all out of pity for the anti woke, I'm in a "angel shuts the doors on Wolfram & Hart" kinda mood.

[@DisWriter]

"I just can't seem to care."

[@paulhammond6978]

So, in 3 years you're going to take over their channels after they all get murdered by zombies?

[@unseenmolee]

wait what movie was that from...

[@SweenyTodd98]

@@unseenmoleenot a movie. It’s from the Buffy the Vampire Slayer spinoff Angel.

[@DisWriter]

@@paulhammond6978 Vampires, not zombies.

[@Jamestopboy]

On a somewhat nicer note - has anyone ever asked you to be a villain in an audio drama because that evil laugh *genuinely* sent shivers down my spine?

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Not yet.

[@Jamestopboy]

@@CouncilofGeeks Whyever not? This must change, and soon!

[@eloisepharmacist]

Ever noticed the anti-woke don't actually understand the correct definition of woke!

[@bjam89]

And refuse to say what it means

[@gRinchY-op5vr]

Or why it's even necessarily bad?

[@jujublue4426]

​@@bjam89Or using it as synonym for " something I don't like" ?

[@ramigilneas9274]

What is the correct definition? Fringe far left identity politics?

[@eloisepharmacist]

@@ramigilneas9274 ​definition of woke - to be aware of social and political issues, especially racism. Therefore to be anti-woke means you purposely refuse to accept and be aware of social injustice and racism!

[@rainyrouge5123]

Personal story. About a year ago, I decided to make an active effort to reduce the amount of rage-inducing content I saw online. Obviously, I didn't try to make it so I never ever saw anything that was going to make me sad or mad online. That's impossible and probably not healthy. But I did unfollow a few subreddits that were dedicated to that kind of thing. I think the thing a lot of people don't understand about echo chambers is even echo chambers can make you spend hours of your day seething about the people you hate. It's been good. I spend less time on Reddit arguing with memes I disagree with in front of an audience of people who all think exactly the same thing I do. The point I'm trying to get at here is I don't think these kinds of angry echo chamber spaces online are good for anybody and I think we should all try to avoid them. Spaces online to talk about politics are one thing, but it's not healthy to make a hobby out of seething about other people.

[@KarlSnarks]

It's absolutely addicting, not sure why, I guess it's a kind of cathartic thing I guess, and you feel your anger is righteous so that probably kicks up some dopamine. It also really limits you in doing actually productive political stuff because you start seeing it as a righteousness game rather than an effort to create better conditions and a more fair distribution of power. Or even just an attention-span to read/watch genuine in-depth journalism and theory, as most of the outrage content is very emotional and quick. Haven't been able to quit it completely myself, everyday there's still some clip about a transphobe or a populist-right politician that I still get worked up about, but yeah it's ultimately ffing stupid. Like, what's knowing the dumb sh*t Blaire White is up to, or what Amy Shumer is tweeting about Israel, going to do in fighting for lgbtq acceptance and the lives of Palestinians? And what is it going to do for your mental health and mindset? What does it have over all the other things you could be spending your energy in your life? Absolutely nothing.

[@j-skullz]

Reddit is the absolute worst for that imo, the very way it's set out lends itself to echo-chambers and cult-like thinking. I hate it and try to avoid it as much as I can, it's only good for super niche stuff sometimes

[@tokublwhovian]

I pity the anti-woke in general. Forget influencers and “celebrities” (most haven’t done anything good or meaningful to be one, but that’s another topic) fans and random people (“the public”?) have missed out and are going to continue missing out on many pieces of great TV, film, music, literature and gaming etc - just because they have a grudge against seeing/hearing/reading about people like me (for those who don’t know: I’m disabled - Chronic Heart & Lung Disease also I’m gay/asexual), you or someone else (probably due to being brainwashed by certain names or because of the way they were brought up by their families) and that’s a shame. I guarantee if those locked their bigoted views away, they’d enjoy something.

[@michaelshigetani433]

*HUGS* thank you for expressing something I've been annoyed by for so long. My housemate; can (and sometimes does) go on and on and on about the MCU. I finally managed to get him to admit why he hates the MCU. It's because it doesn't match what he remembers of the comics. I almost screamed at him to just shut up about it and watch something else! Like, if you don't like say She Hulk; then don't watch it. The rest of us don't need to hear about why you hate it! There is so much good content out there; just find something they like.. Sorry, I shouldn't have ranted on your post.

[@rebeccasam3434]

@@michaelshigetani433 she hulk is towards if not at the very top of what I like about marvel. I love Jessie Earl (a.k.a. Jesse gender) but I haven’t watched her she hulk reviews because I guess she doesn’t like it, and I think I always end up agreeing with her and so she I know she’s going to ruin it for me lol The last three movies I haven’t been all that big on, like in the scheme of things they are really good but… I don’t know, they’re just too disconnected from reality and have too much crazy stuff in them somehow. Although before them there were quite a few great ones in a row, but the “shows” have been amazing IMO.

[@jujublue4426]

​@@rebeccasam3434I don't like She-Hulk but it's just because I think it's bad, the CGI sucks and it ruins Bruce Banner's character, I don't care that the MC is a sassy female lawyer it could've been good actually if she learned to become more humble like Iron Man did but no she minimizes Bruce's trauma compared to her being catcalled. Being catcalled sucks, hell it's true us women are often harassed in public but that doesn't allow you to do gatekeeping, Bruce has been through a lot of shit since his childhood. Basically it's not bad because it's feminism, it's bad because it's baddly written and the main character is unlikable no matter her gender. But those anti-woke idiots only focus on " ugh feminism and woman hating men bad"

[@darkshadowrule2952]

​@@jujublue4426this is my main issue with the antiwoke losers, they don't actually view anything critically. So much of what comes out now is just not great, usually because of companies creating everything to suit an investment board and focus groups over being any good or challenging and they cut down any production time by underpaying animators to slop together some rough CGI and not using practical effects, and instead of complaining about that and pointing people towards well loved projects, they complain about the black character and go praise a movie or show with literally all the same downfalls except the cast is white, like they act so smug and superior, but they're eating the same junk content as the rest of us just with a reskin

[@Sparx632]

I literally just heard someone today say they’d refund their copy of Super Mario Bros Wonder because they found out that Princess Daisy (a cis woman character) is now voiced by a non-binary actor. That’s apparently enough for them. These people will never enjoy anything in life.

[@Elwaves2925]

If that's enough for them to react that way, they don't deserve to enjoy anything.

[@GamerWho]

That's pathetic! No doubt that person is the kind to buy two copies of a certain wizard boy game out of spite to a minority.

[@user-te5po4bu8o]

Bart Simpson was voiced by a woman, did they know about that? It’s gender madness. Hahaha

[@Sparx632]

@@user-te5po4bu8o I think it’s more that the actor is non-binary rather than the fact that they’re voicing a cis woman. This person would rather have non-binary actors never get voiceover work at all.

[@GamerWho]

@@Sparx632 I suspect they rationalise it because they think the world is actually a meritocracy, and so statistically gender conforming, straight or white folk should always win jobs since those are the mathematically more likely, which is why these people get tetchy when someone calls them "ists"

[@baaron7]

I started watching the anti-woke mob years ago, when Chibnall took over on Doctor who, because everything they were saying was how I felt. Then I slowly started to realise just how awful they were and especially their audience. The saddest part are the women that feature in their podcasts. Those people have no respect for them. They're sexist, crass and say hugely inappropriate things to and about those women and women in general and all those women can do is laugh it off and continue being objectified because, as you said, it's their job and if they don't tow the line they're out of a job. Anyway, I got therapy and medication and it turns out all that anger was just depression and I appreciate things more and ignore the things I don't like now. I enjoy your page because you are nuanced. I can get validation from things I agree with you about, without it coming from a place of bigotry. I also often disagree with things you say, but at least you explain why you feel that way about something, instead of everything being based around "woke bad". Keep doing what you're doing. Even if your page never blows up, at least you have a community of objective thinkers!

[@jujublue4426]

I didn't like series 11, it was boring and I didn't connect to the characters as much as the previous ones, I felt like they did nothing with Ryan's dyspraxia. I liked the following series better but it was never related to the characters' gender, skin colour or sexual preferences. Even if the characters were all straight white men it wouldn't have changed the quality!

[@baaron7]

@jujublue4426 I agree. Ryan's dyspraxia was forgotten over and over, it was ridiculous. I just don't think Chibnall is a good science fiction writer. Broadchurch was amazing. He's a really good drama writer. I'm excited with RTD back on board!

[@WiloPolis03]

One of the reasons I don't like Chibnall era Who but also don't want to associate with people who also don't like it

[@baaron7]

@@WiloPolis03 it's very hard to discern the genuine critics from the right wing nutjobs, I agree

[@WiloPolis03]

@@baaron7 I mean yeah, sometimes, but for the most part people who hate on Chibnall era Who tend to just be either right-wing OR just really annoying lol

[@katyungodly]

I don't pity them because they only bring negativity and hate into this world. You get what you give.

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

I do Pity them, but only because I know they'd hate it

[@20000dino]

@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 I still don't pity them. You need to be extremely self-centered and selfish to be as hateful as they are. For example, as a white person, I don't need to have lived through the experiences of a black person to at the very least recognize that their struggles are absolutely legitimate and deserve my attention and support, especially if they're hard to hear. If your first instinct upon feeling guilty about someone else's experience is to dumb down on your own lack of support and disregard them altogether, that reveals an unbelievable amount of selfishness and lack of morals. I have little to no empathy for people like that, usually.

[@HonoredMule]

Hateful people are still people and it takes a fair bit of hubris to assume we wouldn't turn out like them if raised in the same conditions as them. Speaking as someone who was homeschooled as a fundamentalist Christian, I can attest to how effective such brainwashing can be. I was extremely lucky to have taken a strong interest in tech and software, which exposed me to tools my backward parents could not control (and ultimately to a non-indoctrinating education from a proper university), and by proxy leftist media and ideologies that countered racism and cultural elitism. But it still took me about a decade of freedom to truly get to work on deconstructing my faith and about another five years to deprogram the cultural misogyny built into it. Having that kind of connection to hateful right-wing perspectives doesn't make me think those _perspectives_ are any less disgusting. In fact it gets rolled into feelings of shame at how susceptible I was to religious indoctrination. Other people who are way less intellectually talented than me were smart enough to reject the Kool-Aid immediately. (And they generally had a miserable childhood as reward for their rebellion.) What ever that differentiating factor was, it's purely random whether it applies and at exactly the right moments to escape the pitfalls. My point in sharing that background is this: if we deny people with these perspectives compassion and understanding, then we deny the very thing that differentiates us - the only thing that actually makes us better than them. We're also denying what is often the only tool that can reach any of them, bringing them out of that prison of rage and regressive cultural indoctrination. TNG along with the secular world conflicting with Christians over strategies like needle exchange programs helped shift my core values from faith to harm reduction and evidence-based policy. (This was perhaps the first time I saw Christian values fail _hard_ at social scale.) Rage merchants cause a lot of harm - especially right-wing ones as they're additionally promoting such harmful core values. If we really want the world to be better, then emotion cannot dictate what tools we ignore in reducing that harm. Rather, we need to seek out and foster the _helpful_ emotional responses. In that scenario, the worst case outcome is that we get better at practicing the emotional and intellectual skills that make us better and make our side the right one.

[@20000dino]

@@f4gsforpele Who is wokeness bringing negativity to, exactly? Is it to the people working towards revoking us of our rights? Aw poor conservative babies, it most be so hard to have other people being treated with the same rights and privileges, and being given the same visibility that you’ve had since the dawn of time 😢 maybe when you get to be old enough to read a dictionary, you’ll get to learn what “irony” actually means 😊

[@aaaaaaa-so8op]

​@@20000dinorevoking? Lmfaoooo just cause people don't want forced shit get a grip

[@voltijuice8576]

Perhaps the most dangerous thing about the monetization of the internet: the attention economy that makes farming outrage profitable. I mean, reactionary media got a boost from Reagan's deregulation of broadcasting, but it didn't have the speed and scale to be a tight loop like this until Facebook.

[@vforwombat9915]

" the attention economy that makes farming outrage profitable" well, THAT started with talk radio. [i'm sure there was some in print form too but not nearly as popular] before the internet, when i wanted to get a feel for what the right was thinking, i watched Rush [his tb show was more digestable than the radio] it was 100% rage farming. he wasn't alone, his success spawned dozens of imitators. Tucker and Shapiro are just the latest in that long line. interestingly, the success of right wing rage culture spawned an attempt by the left to imitate it. i forget what it was called now, but they tried to set up a 'network' of left wing radio voices in the early 00s. it failed miserably., i tend to think it's because the left just isn't as angry.

[@alim.9801]

Attention economy is the perfect word for it. I really hate that it's so prominent in our world man

[@alim.9801]

​@@vforwombat9915 this was really interesting to read thanks man. Also I'm with you, i think sometimes the left is less angry but i go back and forth between that being a good or bad thing yknow? Maybe bad for our causes but better for our health, i dont know. I honestly feel sad for all the REALLY angry right wing people I've met bc i admire their drive but sometimes i feel they're putting all their energy towards supporting figures that don't actually care about them as individuals, but have promised care and change...idk man

[@Badficwriter]

@@alim.9801 Enh, the leftwing outrage machine is Young Turks and something-something-capitalism-bad channels. Plenty to get angry about. But I remember a story about a couple of political workers who stole lists of loyal voters that parties use. They used the rightwing list to find targets to bilk because they already knew how to manipulate them. Which isn't to say other politics is less gullible, but more work is required to hit the right buttons.

[@rainingwhenidie]

I had a strained relationship with my conservative parents bc I was their only child and I was so scared of how they'd react to me coming out. Eventually, I bit the bullet and was reassured that they did in fact love me no matter what. (It's still a bit strained due to me being an 18 year old dumbass, but that's a different story lol) It has gotten better though bc I was able to be more open and honest with them. I'm still not where I want to be, but I've been doing so much better. I noticed that they've stopped listening to conservative pundits all the time, they've been more receptive to my ideas, less focused on culture war bs; overall, they're happier now. I just feel bad for all the parents who aren't like mine, who are so deep in their hatred that they've built a wall between them and their children. And for their kids, who don't get the love they deserve. Honestly, I just think we'd be better off ignoring reactionaries. You can't be happy if you're constantly consuming hate; you get what you give.

[@fromeveryting29]

Good for you! It seems that love is actually one of the great enemies of conservative fascism. Imagine how many people know and love a gay or trans person in their life, and therefor support more progressive politics.

[@SavageBroadcast]

It's frustrating because, well, of course big corporations like Disney deserve criticism. We should be able to critique any show, and obviously, trying to be politically conscious or having more diverse actors and creators, while good, is not a shield from fair criticism, in good faith. But all of the anti-woke goobs keep ruining the discussion with bigotry - we can't just critique, say, the 13th Doctor based on writing or acting, no, we have to blame feminism or lesbians or marxism or some non-existant plot to replace white British men, or accuse the actress of abusing kids who were genuinely happy to see her (yes, for real, they said this), because just saying 'I don't like her' is too hard. Or rather, just doesn't make the big rage bucks.

[@vforwombat9915]

"trying to be politically conscious or having more diverse actors and creators is not a shield from fair criticism." the problem they have is that wokeness has nothing to do with quality. the wanna pretend something is bad because it goes all DEI. nope. it's bad because the ppl who make it aren't good creators. Alien was woke. the character Ripley was written as a man. that was changed to attract females. nobody complains about Alien being bad, OR it being woke. just as one of many many examples.

[@SavageBroadcast]

​@@vforwombat9915 Sadly, fan history has shown there were people using then-equivalent of 'wokeness' to complain about things and be reactionary. This is just the latest coat of paint for attacking minorities for what are, really capitalist problems.

[@vforwombat9915]

@@SavageBroadcast "there were people using then-equivalent of 'wokeness' to complain about things' yeah, folks always gotta complain. i admit i don't know how much complaining there was about Ripley being female back then. pretty sure there's almost none now, tho.

[@waltonsmith7210]

​​@@vforwombat9915I remember my stepdad bitching about Padme Amidala fighting in combat way back in 2002.

[@godzilla25_official2]

I’ve noticed this a lot with sky news Australia, or as I call it “Fox News 2.0” I mean they are getting into politics here in the us calling everything woke, they don’t do interviews, they don’t do research, they are just making up conspiracies stating that the entire left wing population is woke. I’m tired of this woke shit and conservative crap. I didn’t ask for your opinion sky news Australia or some anti woke KZbinr. I just want to enjoy something that your talking crap about.

[@mirthkos]

Something I've noticed lately on Pinterest: my pins about social justice and gender equality get flagged more and more. This is a new developement and the pins are years old / mildly mannered. The anti-woke snowflakes reach their melting point faster than before. Talking about mental labour in a relationship on general level is already too much for some of them.

[@Stubagful]

The curse of the rest of us is to look at a type of content creator and go "what if I did that?" - I remember back in about 2013, I started being sent messages from people who ended up in gamergate trying to get me on board, and I always look back on that and wonder what I would've done if I was a slightly more suggestible person than I am, instead of just looking at what I was being shown and gone "Jesus Christ, someone wrote something on a website about a video game, get a fucking grip". Cause in the short term, you'll get validation, but like you say, it never lasts. About 90% of those channels that got millions of views off the back of gamergate, look at them now and most of them have almost totally burnt out. Its easy to hate these people blanketly, and sure most of them deserve it, but its another thing if you have experience of someone in your life getting taken in by an online hate movement (which I do) and seeing how the radicalisation process happens and go "wow, that must actually really suck for them to have ended up like this where this is their defining personality trait." The echo chamber aspect also makes these people susceptible to obviously bad ideas that they sink their entire lives, reputations and sometimes their financial future into. Anyone with a basic understanding of marketing would be able to tell you that Rumble will burn out in the next couple of years because its ensured that for anyone outside the specific far right niche that its toxic for your brand, because if someone sees you on it, they'll associate you with that type of content regardless of whether you have any differences with it, the company will hit a ceiling in potential viewers, and they won't be able to maintain their running costs and a lot of people will suddenly have nowhere to go. As said, some deserve it, but that's the curse of empathy. You look at someone desperately chasing these clicks and saying all the things their audience wants to hear, putting a toe out of line, losing it all eventually and you ask "what if...?"

[@theoncomingstorm7903]

It's both terrifying and tragic how they manage to get a hold of people. They rope them in with promises of a community that shares your concerns and then hold you hostage by threatening to abandon you if you dare step out of line and deign to not hate and fear constantly. And yeah sometimes I also wonder if it could've been me. I like to think it wouldn't... I'd like to think I'd be able to realise that it was toxic but... do I really know? When I was young and dumb would I have really truly known better? Especially given how effective their methods are at indoctrinating.

[@Stubagful]

Whenever I've watched dramas about segregation era America or Nazi Germany, I always think to myself "if I'd grown up in this place and at this time: would I be like that? I'd like to think I wouldn't, but if your ENTIRE environment is defined in such a way, you'd have to be really strong to break out of it, right?" Its hard to ask that about yourself but it needs doing@@theoncomingstorm7903

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

As someone who was in the Gamergate and anti-sjw sides of Gaming/SkepticTube from 2012 through 2018, I think a lot of us, at least those of us from minority groups, ended up escaping it and going further left. I'm still disappointed in myself for not realizing how much of a lying c*nt Blaire White is before like, 2019/2020.

[@cynthmcgpoet]

My thoughts on pity is this: it is the opposite of sympathy. Pity is considering how wretched someone is and how awful it is that they have dug the putrid hole in which they dwell.

[@Donnagata1409]

An interesting point.

[@Dave102693]

That’s how it always was supposed to be.

[@__idfk__]

I've never thought of it like this but it makes a lot of sense to me. I really do pity these people for a couple reasons. Not just the "unable to leave" aspect, but also the way that the far right preys on and takes advantage of its followers in general and how miserable all of this must make their lives. They spend so much time being angry at, in fear of, and resentful towards so many things in daily life just because someone told them to be. Imagine feeling like that day in and day out over so many things that don't even affect you in the first place, all because some jackass with a camera and an equally jackass-ish fanbase wants to spread fear and hate to get more jackasses to follow them. But I have absolutely no sympathy for these people because most of the time, they do choose this for themselves, and even more so, because they refuse to change when presented with evidence that maybe they aren't as right as they want to be or think they are. I was raised in a psychotically religious, super far right family, and of course, was taught to follow their views. But even as a child, I not only changed my mind when I realized that way of thinking was wrong, specifically about the religion itself being historically and scientifically inaccurate and the far right beliefs being objectively morally wrong and harmful to others, I continued to actively seek out that evidence so that I could make an informed decision on what I believe. That's something that these grown ass adults refuse to do, and that's one of the main reasons that they get no sympathy from me.

[@cracmar03]

Hmm you still can have pity even if you are compassionate. Pity might be cynical like you said, but at core I think pity is just version of sympathy to hopeless situation. Like if someone had accident and died, I might sympathized with their relatives who lost loved one, but for the victim I can only pity them that they had this misfortune and died. To sympathize you need valid link to the person. In some cases this link is severed so much, that it's .. absolutely impossible to sympathize because you can connect properly with them and their situation anymore. That's where pity comes in. Like I might pity these miserable men stuck in right wing agenda, but because I would never ever follow half the things they currently believe/were raised in like racism, I cannot connect with their situation more to sympathize. I will never be in similar position to understand it so well to be capable of sympathizing. All I can offer from compassion side is pity. And yes there is real compassionate pity and then there is society approved cynical pity where you don't exactly care about others situation. Right Wing adores the latter.

[@nicholasmocalis589]

Pity is sympathy because sympathy means you understand the persons problems but you don't agree with the decisions the person has made to get where they were. Empathy is when you fully agree with what the person does as well as relating to the person you are talking to. Empathy requires the ability to want the best for yourself and others or not based on your decision and how you would feel while sympathy is more disengaged or disinterested in the persons motives and that person may not care at all about how they themselves would feel but instead be more interested in what other people think or feel of them to win approval or form a team through collaboration. Sympathetic people may also feel undeserving of empathy when expressed to them or may feel like empathetic people are too self centered, vain or disengaged from the group or not a team player while empathetic people would say to sympathetic people to just focus on doing things effectively individually instead of trying to win approval or people please because people like you more if you focus on what you can do individually because it builds character and may believe sympathetic people are too sensitive towards benign things. For example winning approval is a different feeling than genuinely liking something. If you genuinely like something you would feel content or satisfied with what was brought to you even if it was bad for you while if you were a person winning approval it would feel like a craving that you just can't get enough of which may cause you to get nervous or flustered and make you feel weird. Sympathetic people if unhealthy would mistake their infatuation for love while empathetic people may mistake their carnal pleasure for love. To use a joke sympathetic people if unhealthy may get laid alot due to having better social skills but may be still unsatisfied after they climaxed while unhealthy empathetic people love sex alot but having inferior social skills may not get them laid ha ha subtlety.

[@Lycandros]

The Fandom Initiative calls them Anti-fans, since they only seem to like hating art, and don't talk about art they like.

[@OK-wm2mr]

They do sometimes talk about the stuff they like only to fuel their hatred of wokeness further. If it has women or minorities in it they'll use that to "prove" they're not bigoted.

[@anneschurman5328]

For what it’s worth I think you are a great presenter and I stick around because I value your honest reviews and integrity. After over a year of not working due to illness in my family I have a new job and was finally able to support you on Patreon. And that- the ability to support a nuanced creator who is able to present on a variety of topics (some that I know about and some that I don’t) makes me really,really happy!

[@kaworunagisa4009]

Imo, there's a big difference between being locked in a job/career with no real opportunities in sight (been there, done that, more than once), and locking yourself in an ideological echo chamber. Those people have made their beds, now they have to lie in them. Serves them right. And, yes, I'm petty.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Well, and white I fully understand the assorted psychological forces that cause people to double or triple down in ways that ultimately sabotage them, at the end of the day, I still believe that if you can explain, justify, or rationalize something, you can do something to change it. It's not easy, but it can be done.

[@miaththered]

I give no pity to those who wish to see me dead.

[@GarnetHeartIllustrations]

“Forced diversity” is a weird phrase. What exactly would “naturally occurring diversity” look like in media, in their opinions?

[@reform-revolution]

stereotypes of minorities that only exist in the media to be fetishized or mocked

[@mhawang8204]

This deserves more likes.👍

[@Manel-dq2kb]

Nothing. They only use the term "forced diversity" because they know if they said how they actually feel, which is "no diversity", they would get banished to the shadow realm

[@Manel-dq2kb]

@@blaynestaleypro diversity isn't about "finding" people of other races. You're right, it's true that there's more white people out there than not. The problem is that the people of color who are there usually end up not getting the same treatment as a white person. Diversity is about giving those people the jobs they deserve.

[@reform-revolution]

"durr companies are saying they need more black peoples cause someone on twitter said so IT MUST BE TRUE" bro they arent ...... those screenshots were proven fake and the "leaked audio" was literally a reddit meme people made to mock idiots like doomc*ck that keeps falling for trolls @@blaynestaleypro

[@Cereja-Lua]

I've been on the receiving end of "anti-woke" influencers recently. I was writing on Tumblr about how I, a lesbian, disliked the ending of Bayonetta 3 because of its hetronormatvity and for, well, killing off our Bayo; and then my inbox was spammed with gamer dudebros and alt-righters accusing me of being "anti-straight" and "anti-family" and an SJW. They were doing the same right in the tags for the game and harassing queer/sapphic fans just for either not liking Bayo 3 or for shipping BayoJeanne. I swear, gaming is the worst for "anti-woke" reactionaries.

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Given that angry "gamers" were the ones who mass reported my previous TikTok account until it was banned because I suggested "maybe don't buy the wizard game that boosts the influence of a transphobe," yeah... I'm inclined to agree.

[@robynrox]

To me, anti-woke is basically modern-speak for being anti-nice. Perhaps thoughtless. Having a desire to cause harm to people and probably motivated through spite, or, in the case of politicians, an attempt to win votes that I actually believe is misguided. It's stoked a lot by newspapers in the UK and USA. I'm left-leaning but I have my own mind and don't necessarily agree or disagree with anyone because of their political bias. If someone is pretending to be anti-woke for clicks, they are selling out their values and do not deserve my support in any way.

[@dracosolis7956]

I'll be honest, there was a time not too long ago (only a few years maybe) where I started following some of these "anti-woke" creators. Not because I was conservative or right wing at all, mind you, I've been left-leaning my entire life. But there came a time where I was starting to get frustrated with the way diversity was being handled in mainstream media, Marvel and Disney being the biggest examples. The way it kept being lazily done, the way they kept patting themselves on the back for it, the way they kept being obnoxious about it. And yet all the critics and everyone was buying into the hype with seemingly no real logic behind it. And many of these "anti-woke" creators were the only people really criticizing these decisions and calling the creators out on it. And that, honestly, was *so* refreshing, you have no idea. But then I kept watching more. And the more I watched, the more I noticed that the anger never really went away. The same points kept being repeated. And pretty soon, some pretty disgusting things were being said as well. And after a while, I start realizing that these creators are not criticizing poorly-done representation. They're criticizing representation in general. And that combined with many creepy and fucked up things they were saying made me realize what sort of people they were and led to me dropping them entirely. And honestly, I'm happy i did. I have many more entertaining and better content creators that I am far more comfortable watching than them, and I don't need to engage in any sort of media or content that I'm not at all interested in to begin with. I still find myself occasionally agreeing with things they say. But in those cases it's less of a "they speak the truth!" but more in a "even a broken clock is right twice a day" sort of way.

[@dracosolis7956]

Adding on to this, it's not hard to see why the left are so much more hesitant to accept a former conservative than it is for the right to accept a former liberal, at least in my opinion. It really comes down to what each side wants. The left generally want people to have equal basic human rights and the right to live happily and in peace. The right wants to actively take away the rights of those people so they can remain in power themselves. One ideology results in people living their own lives in peace, regardless how they feel for each other. The other results in actual harm because they're not comfortable with the others existing. If someone from the left joins the right, what's the worst history they could have? An argument, maybe? If a former leftist joins the right, then the right just sees it as someone finally coming to their senses. If someone from the right joins the left, there's a lot more potential baggage attached. Because that former conservative has most likely advocated for-and possibly contributed to-your rights eventually being taken away. And that is very real damage done to you. Asking a leftist to accept a former conservative is like asking someone to break bread with someone who just tried ruining their life. You'll be a lot more hesitant to do so with someone who's actively tried hurting you. And that's not just leftist thinking, that's basic human survival instinct. Most minorities I talk to really just want to be left alone. The least they ask of people is that they don't care if they exist. They don't have to agree with it or accept it, but just leave them alone and let them be happy. When conservatives start trying to take away their rights, though...that's not something you do by accident. It's a deliberate, malicious act against someone. And that alone is very hard to forgive or forget.

[@theofficialretardschanneld1260]

I’ve done the same thing with this channels, due to how poorly written marvel has been.

[@PixelatedH2O]

I do my best to avoid as much anti-woke stuff on KZbin as I can. Sometimes it sneaks up on me though. I used to be a huge fan of Shadiversity. Then I saw his secondary channel spiral more and more conspiratorial and off the rails. Even though his main channel was still mostly focused on just medieval weapons and such, I realized I couldn't support him any longer.

[@casualcraftman1599]

I unsub from Shad the moment he went mask off on his second channel. Jack Saint made some fantastic videos debunking Shads stupid woke takes on the Mario movie and Barbie movie.

[@thomasjoychild4962]

Wait, seriously? Damnit!

[@Badficwriter]

Heard about him coming out in favor of AI art. I can see taking advantage of it, the same way I can see committing crime. We all got our "My needs are more important than someone else" issues, but don't tell me its The Right Thing.

[@Spielkalb-von-Sparta]

That's interesting. I've seen some of his videos about medieval weapons but haven't been very impressed. I found them a little one-sided and not very convincing, and his style of delivery a little to over the top and I didn't really trust him. Somehow, this doesn't surprise me that he run anti-woke. Seemingly, my gut-feeling was right. I stick to *scholagladiatoria* and *Todd's Workshop.* instead. Their way of approach and deliverance is like day and night compared to Shad.

[@CareyHAuthor]

This video made me think about a former friend of mine. We were besties since like the 4h grade and he got caught up in the right wing insanity. He's gay. His youtube channel used to have music and fun vlogs. And, he did content about anti-bullying and his experience coming out. But then the shift he took, I couldn't recognize my friend anymore. We had a big fight via text after Jan 6 and basically ended a near 30 year friendship because he couldn't see that the side he was now a part of was going to be self destructive in the long run. I haven't brought myself to look up his channel because it's too heartbreaking. And when it all comes crashing down, he won't have the true friends he used to have to be there for him because he drove us all away.

[@Katherine_The_Okay]

I feel like this entire video kind of sums up the difference between the woke and anti-woke crowds: empathy, nuance, and intellectual/emotional flexibility.

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Ideally yes... but let's not pretend that "woke" creators or audiences can't be whipped into a mob. I did a video recently talking about how "accountability" can be weaponized, which is something that the left is just as capable of as the right.

[@R_SENAL]

You've already got my thumbs up for the thumbnail alone, here 13 hours before it goes live. I can't stand the anti-woke crybabies, always going out of their way to vice-signal to everyone how deplorable they are.

[@tschorsch]

Do it after you watch most or all of the video. KZbin counts those up votes more.

[@nancykerrigan]

I upvoted for the intro alone. Though I do like the content. 😆

[@SavageBroadcast]

These guys love to pull the 'oh, I just don't like the writing' card often - aside from being blatantly disingenuous considering they'll complain about something BEFORE they could see or read it, they overwhelmingly focus on superficial visual details like race or gender. In fact, they'll lead their videos with criticisms based on those qualities, writing someone off because of that. That's not 'the writing', in any sense. If you hate 'the writing' of Captain Marvel, what do the politics or opinions of Brie Larson OUTSIDE of the movie have to do with that, and why is it material to your review of the movie? How does her saying 'we need more diversity in film critics' impact the quality of the character arc of Carol, the fictional character, in the movie?

[@josephwatkins1190]

I don't pity them at all, they sold their soul and now pay the price

[@Casterborous]

I swear 90% of "anti-woke" personalities appeared in 2016 after ghostbusters and just never left that year. For instance, the last big wave of hate against furries was in 2016 and it's massively reduced since then, but their opinions are still the exact same opinions 4chan had back then

[@jasonthayer1309]

People like you have been real eye-openers for me. You've helped me see things often in ways I never considered.

[@awhitney3063]

I love watching film and media reviews online, it's one of my favorite things to do - hearing other people's opinions on a movie or tv show is just really interesting to me. I remember back when the new Star Wars prequels came out that a few of the channels I watched were obviously upset with the films, but their 'guffs' with them had almost next to nothing to do with the film or it's content itself. Instead they were just mad about Finn and Rey conceptually - they weren't mad about the poor writing or pacing or how things were just wildly 'convenient', all great points to make against those films that are very much present in the actual film itself. They were just mad that Rey was a woman and Finn was black and they basically just guffawed over that the whole time; it was like they couldn't even see the forest for the trees because they got hung up on the clouds. I stop watching those channels because I'm looking for actual thoughts, actual reviews and opinions - not some parrot that squeals conservative talking points when the proper keywords are waved in their viscinity.

[@FallenGemini]

I have a friend who is alt-right thanks to the internet. Whenever there is a topic that is brought up by the alt-right KZbinr, I know I will hear a regurgitation of it by him days later. Sure enough, my friend was upset about Snow White not being white and the dwarves not being dwarves in the Dosney's Snow White live action movie. Funny thing is that he's not white nor a fan of Disney. It gotten to the point where I told him to stop parroting right-wing talking points.

[@melissawickersham9912]

I didn’t mind the existence of Finn and Rey in Star Wars. I just hated that the new sequels killed off the original Star Wars cast and brought Palpatine back from the dead. They should have created a completely new Big Bad mastermind for the films. However, since Harrison Ford apparently WANTED to have the sequels kill off Han Solo, I guess that my opinion as a fan wouldn’t matter anyway.

[@alexandersmit4256]

@@FallenGemini It's like the conservatives, many of them middle aged men, who suddenly all had to have an opinion on the Barbie movie. A bunch of politicians, like Ted Cruz, even felt they needed to project their "reviews" to the public at large. As if they had ever cared about Barbie, in the first place. What struck me as funny, was when a bunch of neo-nazis were upset that the new Star Wars don't like 'em(having completely missed that point from the original movies). Or that the new Wolfenstein doesn't like 'em.

[@FallenGemini]

@@alexandersmit4256 Don't forget Doctor Who and Star Trek. For me, Neo Nazis getting mad at classic sci-fi framchises is hilarious since the ips has always been "woke." Sure, both Doctor Who and Star Trek had things that racist or sexist, but for the most part, they are shows about being ahead of their time at the time - classic Doctor Who season 1 had a female producer and an Indian director whereas original Star Trek promoted diversity and broke the color barrier with an onscreen kiss between two people of different ethnic groups. I watched the Barbie movie, and I enjoyed it. I don't collect Barbie dolls, though I am tempted at times - I am a CIS heterosexual male secure of my sexuality; I only have a She-Ra Barbie doll. Regardless, I loved how the movie is for everyone.

[@cracmar03]

@@melissawickersham9912 they had Snoke and then in Last Jedi they offed him. I am not fan of how they handled Finn either. Yeah Ford only agreed to play under condition of killing Solo off. And Carrie Fisher died so I guess they had hands tied. Luke treatment is garbage though.

[@christineherrmann205]

I love Sterling. Not for everyone, but I don't mind the ranting. Celebrating the downward spiral of subs is interesting, but Steph deserves all those subs back amd more.

[@Elwaves2925]

I originally found it tough to like their style (years back when they were just Jim) but I absolutely supported what they were doing and were calling out in the games industry. I got used to their style and they soon became must watch YT. They've handled the transition and the hate etc brilliantly, owning the drop off in subs and making it part of the channel.

[@SabiJD]

​@@Elwaves2925I've been watching/listening to them for years, but less in the last few. They can often make good points, but far too often Steph/Jim just comes across as hyperbolic and even a tad entitled now and then. Dial that hyperbole back, and all that would be left is, generally, good critique.

[@Elwaves2925]

@@SabiJD I partly agree on the hyperbole and they also make leaps sometimes, just to combine things together. Their recent video on paying for a few days early access comes to mind regarding that but even when I disagree with them and the hyperbole, they still always have some great and valid points in there.

[@arubinojr5670]

And a celebration it was. She had guests appearances congratulating on the loss of subscribers and everything.

[@Elwaves2925]

@@arubinojr5670 That was excellent and might be the perfect answer to it all. They owned it.

[@casualcraftman1599]

I don't pity idiots that want a Disney movie to bring up 911 or being mad at Princess Peach wearing her Mario Kart outfit in the recent Mario movie.

[@jujublue4426]

Or who cry because Peach is a badass, have they ever played Smash Bros or Super Princess Peach, Super Mario Odyssey ( okay she was kidnapped but at the end she rejecting both Mario and Bowser who were trying to force themselves on her like a boss) or one of the recent games where she's playable, even without counting the spin off games? She's far from the fragile lady with no personality they think she is !

[@deathlight4210]

@@jujublue4426Ngl I thought she would act more sweet if that makes sense? Not necessarily defenseless but kinda like fluttershy from Mlp (but less shy). Her attitude reminds me more of Daisy for some reason.

[@JamesLawner]

One thing that has me worried about these “anti-woke folk” is that they could commit acts of terror or inspire others to commit such things over something as frivolous and inconsequential as books/comics/movies/shows/video games/etc. We’ve already seen harassment campaigns made over certain actors and writers, and if something like Jan 6 could happen, who knows what else might happen in regards to fandom spaces.

[@pashortt123]

Joke's on you; I watch primarily for the validation of your sign-off! That aside, you are in fact one of my favourite YoutTubers to watch for opinions on movies and shows that are not guaranteed to line up with mine. You make excellent points that help me develop and improve my own critical analysis skills.

[@NerdtotheThirdPower]

To be honest, a lot of what you said here could apply to the left leaning crowd as well. I've seen many a self-proclaimed leftist get angry when a work or a critic doesn't espouse or validate their own belief system, or god forbid they say something the leftist disgarees with politically. And it doesn't even have to be a right wing work, it could be something completely neutral; I once read a two thousand word leftist essay about how Frozen was a dangerous movie because at the end of it, Elsa was still queen and didn't abolish the monarchy. Or the seemingly weekly twitter arguments about how Batman is a fascist because he beats up "poor people". Both of which are aguments I'd call just as stupid as "they're gonna replace white people!" So I think its a little intellectually dishonest to attribute this kind of behavior to exclusively "anti-woke" people.

[@NerdtotheThirdPower]

And I think we all remember the shit storm James Rolfe had called down on him by leftists when he said he didn't want to see Ghostbusters 2016, calling him sexist and misogynist, when NONE of his reasons had ANYTHING to do with the all woman cast.

[@CouncilofGeeks]

While I’m not going to deny there are overblown voices on the left… you just equated misguided critique of media to a racist conspiracy theory used to justify violence against anyone non-white. These are not the same thing.

[@NerdtotheThirdPower]

Ok, fair, bad comparison, but that doesn't make it not hypocritical to call out overblown voices on the right and not also call out the ones on the left. Which I've seen you do a lot of the former, but very little of the latter.

[@techni1766]

@@NerdtotheThirdPower Because some guy on twitter doesn't matter as much as a guy with a 20k youtube account? Like if biden read out some guy's conspiracy theory it matters more than that same guy with 50 followers?

[@SirSparrowHawk]

Their viewers are trapped and miserable as well. I was one of those angry people. I stepped away from it and calmed down and opened up. It does suck the creators can't without losing everything.

[@randomgeekcrap]

I mean yeah all they do is compline and trash talk and if something is "woke" and good they freak out and say it's not woke look at Barbie be for it came out all those anti woke Channels were hateing it then it didn't flop all of them were Barbie is distryoing WoKe Disney 😂 like I can't imgen having to hate everything all the time

[@Elwaves2925]

If there's one thing (there's many) that can definitely be said about the 'anti-woke' crowd it's that they're all hypocrites. They'll jump on and change their tune on a whim if they believe it helps promote their BS. Even if it completely goes against what they've been pushing.

[@jujublue4426]

Even though Barbie is probably the less subtle feminist movie I've ever seen 😂 ( it was a lot of fun though, all the actors were great, I loved Barbieworld,Ken's song and Barbie's dynamic with the human mom and daughter). On the other hand some of these people still hate on it because " feminism" , "female director doing a female centered movie = bad", " Margot Robbie is too old to be a pretty Barbie" ( forgetting Ryan Gosling is even older because it's okay for men to be older but not women, both actors are hot)

[@deathlight4210]

@@jujublue4426I think they were hating on Ryan for not looking like ken too.

[@deathlight4210]

I enjoyed it but I thought that it would be more fantasy like.

[@borginburkes1819]

It’s so funny. Before the movie came out they called it woke. But then after it started succeeding they were saying that it was a “subtle criticism of feminism” It’s insane how dishonest those types are

[@phangkuanhoong7967]

imo, anyone who makes a living by actively spreading bigotry and hate, then feel they're trapped, do not deserve anyone's pity nor sympathy. they knew what they were doing. them being trapped is nothing compared to the harm they actively caused.

[@superslammer]

Their audience is also very violent. If they try to pivot way from what they've been saying, their audience could turn on them violently....

[@Brunoxsa]

Thank you for the video, Vera! Short definition of "woke": being progressive and/or inclusive. Long definition of "woke": being aware about injustices and discrimination suffered by people-of-color and minority groups in society, and advocating for them also having equal rights, visibility and voice. There it is. It is not that hard. The reason why bigots struggle so much (or pretend to do) when explaining "wokeness" is because as soon they do it, they will have to explain why it is bad, and they will be unable to do it without expose themselves as just assh*les chasing outrage money. Vera mentioning how the "anti-woke" crowd is always bound for what their audience believes (not matter how derranged it is), and they are unable to diverge of their message, never showing any nuance, is very true. Examples of that would be TERFs trying to explain their nazi supporters or defending pedophiles and people accused of rape assaults, or a certain Jew man cosplayer of human Ken trying to defend Ye West (former Kanye West), despite the singer being an anti-semitic person. Or these people being unable to say something against the orange man in a suit, being accused of multiple charges of rape, electoral and business frauds, because their audiences love him. It is not just an echo chamber, it is the cult mentality of the right wing, where people must have blind commitment to their cause or they are automatically considered the enemy. Personally, when I hear about people complaining about wokeness or declaring to be anti-woke, I use that as a clear assh*le indicator and go away from them. We definitely must call out dangerous and harmful actions by bigots over other people, but the centrist mindset of being able to change the mind of a bigot by only talking to them is very naive and unrealistic. Do not engage with bigots expecting something good to come out it. In order to bigots realize the problems in their prejudices and come out of this mindset, they must do it most by themselves.

[@zachnesmith]

I don’t pity them because quite frankly none of them are worth even the most minimal amount of effort for me to do so.

[@KJM1984]

"I pity the fool!"

[@adammyers7383]

Absolutely agree. I pity anyone who lives a life that consumed by fear and anger, honestly. What a miserable existence that must be.

[@nick5661]

the jimquisition has definitely not changed (aside from the 100% agree she is happier).

[@Lexi_Zone]

If it didn't make them money anymore, I wonder how many of them would still do it. Probably some because they like having an army of fans who cheer them on, but I think a lot would just quit and find another grift.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

True Steph fans know they actually came out a few episodes before the appearance change, but since they didn't wear a wig and makeup but not as a joke this time in that video it didn't cause anywhere near the backlash as full femme Sterling. Incidentally... They stopped fucking pogs so if anything they got less kinky.

[@JaiaV]

Steph being so much happier has actually made it much easier for me to watch them. Also, it''s been amusing to watch that most of the KZbinrs and webcomics I actually liked also came out within a few years of me coming out :D (And nearly all of them are also trans femme)

[@jeffbaskin6851]

The base problem is always the same: Anyone can create a mob, but no one can control a mob.

[@edwardreed67]

I think you really hit something there when you said Anti-Woke channels just don't change. At first, the controversies you see seem big and massive and entirely world shaking and a million people watch it then nothing happens and then the next controversy comes along and the cycle begins again. The thing is, we like to treat Anti-Woke channels like these big all consuming problems, but really thats exactly what they want. Irregardless of what audience they get, they succeed at what they want anyway. Because they're playing to the algorithm so closely. Their extremity leads to them getting views, so they can't change that extremity or branch out because then thats lost. So that extremity is just applied to everything. And i think its one of the reasons they post like 2-3 videos a day; because their content is so shallow and lacking in depth in the first place, to stop would mean people would become uninterested immediately because theres nothing else there. Its just hot air pumped into the algorithm people sniff for 10 minutes then leave again. But thats the thing. In order to hit against the things they hate, they become the things they hate. - Hating people victimising themselves and then leap to it when its applies to them. - Hate politics in media whilst making things political in media by talking about it and loving the things that align with them. - Say they're speaking "for the fandom" then don't actually interact with that fandom - Hate echo chambers when their livestreams involve the same 10 people over and over again. At this point they're just harvesting from the culture war as usual, making it sound like this "battle four OUR culture" when really it just never ends. It can't end because its too profitable. Its not even really a war. When you have an infinite amount of people and an infinite amount of time and resources, you're not fighting a war anymore. You're just proliferating the IDEA of it. They can't win because then they're the authority. So they come up with these new terms. "SJW" --> "WOKE" and then another word and then another word and then another word. To make it seem like progress is being made when really it was the same controversy from the beginning. They were always prejudiced. And after a while, each controversies just blends into another. Really, whats different about Nerdrotic or HeelsVsBabyFace talking about She-Hulk as apposed to The Rings Of Power, or Doctor Who as apposed to Marvel. You could swap out the names and the statements would be the same for all of them. But heres the thing. I don't think its working much anymore. At least not in the same way. That ecological KZbin niche isn't so niche anymore. Those secular communities aren't so secular anymore. Those views aren't so new anymore. And people realise when something doesn't change or improve. At the end of the day, I don't like to think of them as some untackable horrifying mass, because really they're just a bunch of idiots who aren't worth the time of day.

[@Merdragoon]

Decided to subscribe due to this video. I think this kinda gave me the idea on how to feel about conversations that are being had here and I think I'm enjoying the vibe. But to be on the topic, it's kinda like how some Vtubers really effed up by being loud with their choices but also the twitter people are... kinda doing the same problem when they were going against these Vtubers. (let's just say the whole Hogwarts thing kinda makes your point). Anger sells but when you even have a nuiance it becomes "you're against us." And I do agree the "anger marketers" aren't just on the Right as that whole situation. But boy did that whole discourse got bad. Another example of this outside of social media is how bookbanning is being handled in the US. Mom's of Liberity tried to banned Assassian Classroom from public school libaries because it had a scene of these students with literal toy guns that is only ment to kill their teacher (because the premise is infact their teacher is an creature that isn't human and blew up the moon and will destroy earth if they don't do something). Instead of actually reading the context they tried to rally up the outrage of "but what about the children!" when they want to shove down the bible down our throats in all public schools even though that too has violence, sex, and other things happening and demonize context. (Reads with Rachels And Bookish Realms kinda explains this better than I'm doing if you're intrested). But I will not personally touch Game of Thrones because even though it's seen as 'woke', it kinda isn't. When I tried reading it as a free demo... it felt like it was a boring Incel fantasy where one of the main charaters is a 14 year old girl enjoyed getting R-ed in ways that isn't about survival. And the mental health in that whole situation isn't handled well either. As a survior of SA, this did not sit well with me and yet *everyone* loves these series. (And the movie series was absolutely boring when I was watching it due to friends wanting to get into it.) So why can Game of Thrones can be left on shelves but yet things like "All boys Aren't blue", "This book is Gay" and "Monday's not coming" can't? But the outrage against those books are listened to more than ligit conversations of how we can talk to kids about these topics in healthy ways. And as soon as someone want to give a more nuiance conversation where it's not as black and white? Suddenly you're not worth listened to. I want to have those more nuiance convos. I want to have these conversations of "Yeah this can be problematic, but how can we change it where it's better?"

[@slashandbones13]

There is also people who defend certain public firuges when they clearly don't believe it because admiting any racism, sexism, etc. exist is something they can never do.

[@XavierRD]

Vera, you're the original angry KZbinr for me. Your righteous anger is very fulfilling to see ❤

[@AmyFutch]

One of the reasons I keep watching is your approach to topics you talk about. You look into things thoroughly and come to your own conclusions, you think about the biases you might have. I may not always agree with you, but you always explain why and how you came to the opinion very well. It's really respectable. 😂

[@literaterose6731]

I love your work precisely because you offer critical thought and nuance, as well as just your own personal likes and dislikes without shame or meanness to anyone else. As someone who finds it difficult to nearly impossible to feel pity for the anti woke crowd (especially the influencers who have such a disproportionate impact on the views of those who watch them), I appreciate your ability to consider them with at least some compassion. And your gentle, kind sign off always makes me feel warm and cared for no matter what’s going on in my life! 🥰

[@ArielVHarloff]

The way you jump between she and they pronouns for Stephany sterling is genuinely impressive XD

[@brunnokamei9623]

I only pity those who make valid criticism to Hollywood movies from 2016 and forward and are overshadowed by the anti-woke crowd.

[@KittyKatalina]

I actually started liking JSS more as she went from plain "angry ranter" stereotype to dressing more flamboyant, and eventually going femme-presenting. Their anger at the continuing BS from the gaming industry also gets more sympathetic as the bad practices keep getting worse (thanks, capitalism). I don't watch regularly, as the negative news can be draining, but they're still a great watch when I'm in the mood for it, and it's great to see Steph being more energetic and having fun in spite of everything.

[@garrettwhite5943]

Ya know... I've literally never been able to get a definition of 'woke' from anyone in the anti-'woke' crowd. Like... If I never heard the word again, I'd die happy. I

[@jaimebabb9968]

I feel no pity for them. If they wanted to stop, they could quit and getting a fucking real job. Like, I'm sorry that parasitizing culture isn't fun for them anymore.

[@fromeveryting29]

You know someone is a minority if their mere appearance in any media is viewed as a political statement. If there is straight sex scenes in a series, it’s «neutral», non-controversial, even non-sexual. But when there is gay sex scenes? WOKE, SEXUAL, VIRTUE SIGNAL etc. Also true for black, trans even animals. It’s consisered offensive to even COMPARE animal oppression to any form of human oppression, even if the oppressive rhetoric and method are the same.

[@Chitacosmico7]

The anti-woke showcases the ridiculousness and shadow aspects of the woke movement but then it falls into the trap of polarization looking at the shadow aspect of what Americans call left (no realm left in America but maybe center left) and they go from woke to anti-woke from "left" to right, from Democrat to Republican a play that never ends, from one spectrum of an ideology to another, it seems there is little place to dialogue and integrate the different and or opposite sides and therefore transcend old paradigms ... anti-woke can be as good and as bad as the woke...

[@roguedogx]

it does seem to suggest that there does need to be some kind of rehab path for those who went to the right for attention, but now need to leave for safety or a change of heart. because if they are trapped in that scenario, it doesn't help anyone. the only issue is, i have no idea what that would look like.

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Yeah that last bit is the sticking point.

[@melaniey.5596]

The closest people who did that comes to mind are The Amazing Atheist and Hunter Avallone. Both were former anti-SJW that changed who eventually grew out of that mindset and even have denounced their past views, to me it shows both of them were actually intellectually honest and are operating in good faith. For what I have seen, both their videos are pretty good, but they still recieve hate comments from former fans who didn’t grew unlike them, which is a shame. Other that I have heard about is Thunderdf00t, from what I have heard he has stopped obsessing over Anita Sarkeesian and has been criticizing Elon Musk before it was cool, so there is that. But look for yourself that I have not seen his most recent content myself.

[@unseenmolee]

i used to (and still sometimes do ngl) watch a lot of like rage bait-y and drama content, but i seriously had to stop and like accept how self destructive it was to be mad and depressed at everything all the time. its not healthy. i mean i still struggle with it, but watching content that feeds into that black hole is just so toxic, at least for me. i intentionally try to just watch youtubers who make me happy more than sad or angry (cuz its not abt avoiding emotional stuff altogether, but having more balance ig?)

[@LinguaPhiliax]

I think one of the biggest differences between the anti-woke crowd and... everyone else is patience, thoughtfulness and effort. Being anti-woke is all about thinking "how will something benefit me right now, and only me" in the easiest way possible. Which is why it's so difficult to make your way out of that, because you're trying to enter a world of thoughtful and skeptical people, after coming from a world of shallow people who would support you and agree with you as long as you agreed with them. And it takes time and effort to build a genuine trust with thoughtful people, especially if you've had a history of being untrustworthy, whereas it's so easy to slip back into the echo-chamber you left.

[@aaendi6661]

It was pretty funny how people thought I've "gone woke" simply because I put "ACAB" in my twitter handler after George Floyd, even though I always hated cops.

[@maxxjapan619]

I've been saying this for a loooooong time. Expecting these people to change their tune is like expecting Alex Jones to suddenly say "Ya know, fellas, the government's not really out to get you!" It'd be the end of their channels and the end of their livelihoods.

[@HewleyxAngel]

The part where you talked about pivots for attention seeking was quite interesting to me, because I remember that happening in 2012/2013-ish with a youtuber I used to watch for gender and sexuality stuff. I remember seeing a thumbnail for this creator sitting down with a “Men’s Rights Activist” with like the implication that we were gonna sit down and bridge the gap between MRAs and feminism and all would be well. I didn’t end up watching that video because a Pokémon channel I like had started another challenge playthrough that same day and I got distracted. But then another MRA based video popped up a few days later from this same creator. And then a third at the end of the week. And at that point I bounced because this was genuinely distressing to me as a trans person who had just come out and cited one of this creator’s videos as a reference in my coming out references to my parents! Anyway all of this to say, rage is one of the most powerful human emotions, and why I believe it’s not the antithesis of love, the antithesis of love is apathy, but love is the strongest counter to rage because it is an equally powerful motivator. Thank you as always Vera for your insight and hard work! Cheers!

[@LadyQuotes]

I so very much appreciate that you try to follow the algorithm and focus on your own interests. I completely understand that the algorithm may make it easier to pay the bills, but I follow you because I am interested in what you have to say about things because you seem sincere and people lose that so very easily. I so very much am glad you did not turn into a "drama" channel. Please keep up the good fight. Would love to see you on Nebula, but no idea how that works or the feasibility lol.

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Creators are brought on Nebula by invite. There is no application process or anything.

[@gameguy20100]

"Nothing about Stephine Sterling changed." Ironically, that's the reason I stopped enjoying her content. It just got stale and repetitive. I just got sick of the constant negativity and her attitude of "You're not allowed to enjoy anything from EA, Bethesda, or *Insert game company here.* Or you're a shill." I just don't have the mental capacity for that anymore.

[@polaris_draws]

There was this film KZbinr (whom I'm not going to name) who I enjoyed for a bit around the late 2010's and then decided to drop like a rock because... he wasn't necessarily alt-right, he wasn't explicitly political either, but his content felt more and more like the echo chamber of Nerd-space film opinions condensed into a channel. Just every boiler plate film opinion on Marvel and DC and Star Wars and not a hint of any films beyond that crossing his mind. Seriously the only film I can remember him talking about that didn't tie into a massive multimedia franchise was Velvet Buzzsaw. I like my KZbinrs to have some fucking personality.

[@ohleander02]

Do you think, on your other channel, you could weigh in on the current debate about whether non-binary people are transgender? As someone transgender and non-binary, it's so painful to constantly have to defend who I am. And they never ask me about my experience or my GD or therapy or anything before declaring I'm not trans. I really value your content (more on your Vera channel than here) and your perspective. ❤

[@CouncilofGeeks]

I’ll consider it. But in the meantime: transgender is an umbrella terms and non-binary is under that umbrella. Non-binary is transgender and I’m sorry you’ve encountered binary trans people who are trying to gatekeep that from you.

[@ohleander02]

​@@CouncilofGeeksthank you. ❤

[@SparkleDragon547]

You clearly have a tremendous amount of compassion and what you say makes sense. But… they chose violence. They chose to make a living harming others, not even in the standard late capitalist way, but by very specifically encouraging hate and violence against others. I do believe in redemption and change, but if doing so means they have change their livelihood and take a hit? That’s a fair price.

[@Zettern96]

Great point, I have often thought about this when I have come across "anti woke" stuff. It just feel like some of them don't believe what they are saying, but are forced to.

[@wolfsigma]

I still really want to believe that honest and thoughtful inclusion is not political. Leave me on my island I guess but if you write good characters who are what they are and are honest to it... its not "woke" or "pandering." It's just good writing.

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Intentionality does not determine the political nature of a thing. All inclusion is political. So is the lack of inclusion.

[@theofficialretardschanneld1260]

@@CouncilofGeeks Yea by technicality, all good storytelling is political because it’s trying to say something about the nature of the world and people

[@bigc5090]

I used to really like The Critical Drinker until I realized he wasn't doing a bit or satire and that's ACTUALLY how he thinks. It's just depressing when you realize that someone you respected is using their platform to spread hate because of their own narrow-minded view of the world. Also, and I realize this is nit-picking a bit, he always complains about "the message" of things but...how does a published author not understand what social commentary and allegory are?

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Even if it was satire, at a certain point it would become harmful anyway as that style of "critique" was being done ironically all around him and he'd only be adding to it. Poe's Law and all that.

[@bigc5090]

@@CouncilofGeeks true, I like to think of grown out of that style of content anyway

[@rinehardt6837]

The sad thing is about this is young people because a lot of these anti-woke channels disguise themselves as gaining channel as video review channels and other things and then once you get in there only then do you realize what they aiming for. Negativity sales playing in simple it sells a hell of a lot more than positivity. There's one KZbin channel that made around 40 videos about Brie Larson. Now does this guy actually hater probably not but he's gonna do whatever gets the clicks which gets the advertiser revenue

[@pastlesandfish]

I have a friend who watches one of these prominent anti woke types, the Critical Drinker. They have no actual takes or opinions. They go with what's popular or what they think will get them views. The Critical Drinker and the rest of that cohort were all crapping on House of the Dragon before it came out, saying it would be a flop because it was woke, i.e had black characters in it. But then when HOTD was massively successful, the Drinker and others quickly changed tack. He even altered the title of one of his videos I'm sure. As you said, the content is repetitive and boring.

[@SavageBroadcast]

Yeah, for his Prey video too, if I recall.

[@AlatheD]

I LOVE that you feel free to express your opinions, even when they absolutely do not make sense without the nuance, or when you change your mind. Part of the reason I love following you is because I can see your humanity in these things, and I love that! I feel bad for people who feel that they can't change their mind or express their humanity.

[@brettscott1797]

Always enjoy these video essays (?)! I work construction and have many coworkers with anti-woke sentiments. I find to just admit to having a differing opinion oftentimes can be very hard for them to hear. So I try to make sure before voicing anything, I have something to say that gives them information without condemnation. Allow them to receive the seed, and allow it to grow and hopefully inform their decision making going forward. Try finding the common ground and show them it’s basically just mutual respect and common courtesy. I personally wouldn’t say that I pity them, but I try to be sensitive and respectful to their life experiences that shaped who they are.

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Well the changing of minds not only has different approaches when it comes to one-on-one interactions, it also has a higher success rate.

[@FallenGemini]

Have been watching Stephanie Sterling for years, and the few differences her video undergone since her transition is that she now has long hair and is doing her videos videos out of the U.K. rather than the U.S. she still talks the same as she did years ago.

[@Spencerdoken]

Can we just call them sleepies? Maybe nappies? I mean if they're not awake...

[@DavidHHH99]

Honestly, the women, people of color and LGBTQ voices among the alt-right anti-woke crowd are the ones I feel the least sorry for. The reason that they get elevated by that community is because they are very effective voices for recruiting more people into their radical political extremism as "diversity shields". There are a lot of people dipping their toes into these movements, thanks to social media algorithms who maybe come into it for their angry gatekeeping of "genre" franchises (such as their hatred for the current incarnations of Who, Trek, Star Wars, Marvel, etc), but are more uncomfortable with the more overtly bigoted messages being put out by this community. The voices of creators from marginalized communities helps them feel more comfortable diving in more deeply into the more bigoted narratives and messages. Their voices validate the bigotry. After all, if Kelly's saying it, then I can't be a transphobe for saying it, right? Well, yes, you can, but that doesn't matter to these people. It gives them permission to lean more and more into bigotry. In many ways, they're the most effective recruitment tools that the alt-right has. That's precisely why those voices are elevated so much by the alt-right. I get that the sense of personal validation that comes from being elevated by these communities can be intoxicating, especially if you're used to being marginalized by our society. But they're still actively causing harm to their own communities. They deserve exactly as much sympathy as they give to the people that they are harming.

[@TheNightmareRider]

I talk quite a bit about High Guardian Spice on social media, partially because I feel the hatred it got was so overblown, but also because it genuinely inspires me. I don't expect everyone to love it, but I do ask that people give it a chance and at least critique it from a place of sincerity. I'm less interested in people agreeing with me over one cartoon than I am about the details as to what makes something work or not work for others. It's so easy to just milk the hatred and declare it crap for even daring to exist, but it's so much more fulfilling to dig deep into the details and understand what value people find in art. It's why I often find myself bored with Stephanie Sterling's Jimquisition. She isn't wrong for holding gaming corporations' feet to the fire, and I largely agree with her. But after a while, the constant anger becomes a bit of a drag, and I need a break for the sake of my own mental health. This is why I'll never be an anti-woke grifter. As easy as it is to farm clicks by telling reactionaries what they want to hear, knowing that it's all a lie at the expense of minorities is something I couldn't live knowing about myself. So for the trans people who pander to the anti-woke transphobia, they have my pity, but not my sympathy. You reap what you sow, and when you show yourself as willing to sell out others in the hope of getting a few extra brownie points? Then you've thrown away whatever trust you may have gotten to begin with. It's the boy who cried wolf all over again!

[@luishp3]

I can’t imagine living a life where my political affiliations and ideology revolve solely around being hateful towards disenfranchised groups of people. How pathetic.

[@catherinecrawford3058]

In my late 20s/early 30s I learned the phrase 'The dogs bark and the caravan moves on.' And while I don't believe in being apathetic or apolitical, I don't have the time or energy to stay outraged any longer. Before I engage with anything I now ask myself to do the math. I'm an elder geek and even at the most optimistic I've only got around 38 years left. What is the best use of my time? How does the anger and outrage serve me? So the anti-woke can have their angry rhymes with rich fest. Me? I'll just keep on loving my granddaughter and fight to give her a kinder world.

[@superkid801]

Good video. I do pity them for how they think and refuse to understand. It just amazes me how these people think and how far they are willing to go.

[@lcflngn]

Just ❤️ you Vera. Here for your complicated thoughts, and your fab insight on so many topics. Found you via Doctor Who, (yr phenomenal review of Vincent rly made a difference) then followed your personal story, and only later discovered I have an adult trans daughter. Well, that fell into place quite handily! You & Jessie, and often Steve (tho I argue with Steve occasionally bc I love ST shows he despises, he could chill a bit. ❤ you Steve.) are my favorite YTers. Always appreciate your care, insight & perspective. Stay strong Vera, you’re the best. 🤗 PS I do feel bad for any folks who may feel “trapped” by our new normal/awful ecosystem. The whole algorithm creates status quo of bad/good, never gray area. Reality IS gray area, but so few today feel that, presenters and viewers both.

[@Voremaster420]

I unsubscribed from Stephanie Sterling for the exact reason that her messaging and content has never changed. I grew to feel that it was a waste of time to watch almosy the exact same video over and over

[@TheTurtleNexus]

I feel the same way. It only took me a few videos to realize about the pattern, and ever since then, I just avoid them, because what's the point of listening to them if they are not saying what they really think? If every single video they release is about how a certain industry is dying because of woke stuff, then I know they are doing what analytics tell them to do. And that's kind of sad. I could try to imitate other channels when it comes to content, just to get more views, but I don't want to distort what my channel is about, and I definitely don't want to chase a trend that will make me work even more hours on this hobby, and with less passion. The only downside of ignoring these types of channels is that every now and then, someone will have a similar opinion but they are authentic about what they feel, and it may be a well thought video. But because of the negative connotations in the title/thumbnail, I don't want to spend time fueling the trend. This applies for both woke and anti-woke content. Unfortunately, they are very popular, and their fans end up in my comments (comic-books crowd has been very toxic for a while now), repeating what they heard about a certain thing by others. To this day I don't understand why people hate Seth Rogen so much that they need to make it clear on every type of content that exists. I never got a proper explanation either, they just keep mentioning some bad movie he was in, I mention all the cool stuff he was in and produced, and that's where the conversation ends. It's like talking to a bot with only a couple of answers in its catalog.

[@aleatoriac7356]

That intro proves it: you MUST play the next Master in Doctor Who. On the subject of your thoughts this video: Yeah, I feel sorry for them too. I just wish there was a good way to filter them from my feeds, at least on Doctor Who. I do what I can "don't show again" from the menu, etc. They just keep showing up, and new ones, and all they do is disparage and lie about the stories I enjoy. That's fine for them to do I suppose - I fail to see how it's healthy in the long term - but I just wish I could make them leave me alone. I love online Doctor Who fandom. When I was a kid long time ago there really wasn't anybody I could share it with. I lived pretty isolated. Just my brothers, and they weren't into it. They just knew I liked it and nodded and went along out of love, I suppose. Wonderful brothers indeed. Thank you!

[@Pooglian]

Beau of the Fifth Column recently posted a video about the dangers of constantly pushing the "hate and anger" type of content and how it's been impacting the whole House Speaker kerfuffle. I _think_ it's the one from yesterday titled "Let's talk about rhetoric, representatives, and Frankenstein..." but since I watch KZbin on a tablet it's tricky to check one channel while writing a comment on another one. In a nutshell, one of the Republican Representatives who came out against Jim Jordan's bid for the speakership received death threats and harassment. Beau goes into how always labeling your oppenents as "enemies of the state" and such inevitably leads to treating any form of dissent or disagreement as an attack warranting a violent response. Such rhetoric is undoubtedly _effective,_ but it can be (and often is) as dangerous for those who try to use it as it is to its targets.

[@stuff31]

I am every day more glad I stopped going down the right-wing rabbit hole and went the other direction instead. Being pigeonholed into an eternally hateful circle that will turn on you the moment you falter sounds like a sad situation. I do hope some of these people may one day choose to suck it up and resolve to not be hateful bigots, even if it might cost them their "fanbase" if one could even call it that.