Pixel jumps - Are you missing pixels?

[@Toboe12PL]

I played on 8.0 mouse sensitivity my whole life and I though my mouse was shit. This isn't useless data, you helped me. Thank you Phillip.

[@alt.8289]

wow, same.

[@OriginalRaveParty]

Sounds like bullshit. You'd need to have a 100dpi to 150dpi mouse for your comment to make sense. What's the make and model?

[@tomekl3476]

Gnome Party he can play on 4000 edpi for example. In my opinion its unplayable but some people play like that. 500dpi * 8 sens = 4000 edpi

[@tgdhsuk3589]

i cant even play at 1600 edpi lol

[@CaroFDoom]

i used to play at 10000 edpi that was torture to myself

[@DeSinc]

not all mice should run the highest DPI setting. some mice sensors actually have noisy output when running high DPI settings. They've actually been interpolated to achieve the higher DPI and it's not the same level of accuracy as the lower DPI settings. This means you don't always get the same result when moving the mouse which is a big no for CS. *edit:* here's where I learned this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIjEg3qobZyWbsU The same problem exists with the polling rate. 250hz is a bit low, and 1000hz actually misses registration sometimes, making 500hz the best choice for some mice. Zowie FK2 in particular shows this problem. since pixel skipping isn't an issue at low sensitivities used in cs, you should google the best DPI for your mouse's sensor model (people actually put a lot of time into researching this) and prioritise that to make sure all of your mouse movements are consistent.

[@toad3222]

Have my babies DeSinc

[@Zoxide_]

DeSinc ok

[@drake3184]

make more hl3 videos

[@MrKevCoan]

Mama mia is the scientist DeSinc here

[@lexlazootin]

This is not entirely true. A lot of the noise people perceive is because you're seeing more of the raw signal. If you use a lower DPI you are simply down sampling and rounding what would be all the data points into a single value which makes it look smoother. It's not actually smoother, but to your perception it is. If you ensure the overall sensitivity is the same like in the video the higher DPI would actually be more accurate (even if it's ever so slightly so) because less of this rounding would of taken place. It's exactly the same with polling rate. It might look more random but that is simply because you are looking at more of the raw data, if you could forever zoom into the data, it would look even more messy and random but it would be more accurate to what the sensor is seeing.

[@TheSweMaster]

After I read the title I thought this video was going to be about pixel jump glitches, but this was far more interesting. 😊

[@redder0118]

oh hello macro god

[@300-y9d]

YoutoJacob TheSweMaster when are you gonna upload?

[@Osama_Amer]

Same. I didn't know about this stuff, pretty cool

[@TheSweMaster]

@@300-y9d Wait? Ppl still remember me? 🤔

[@300-y9d]

Bro, i still use your jump scout macro

[@FalbereChan]

gaming bois after this video: i need a 1000000 dpi mouse so i can set my sens to 0.04, because that must be the reason why i kept losing in-game!

[@salted6422]

To be fair, it literally is the reason why I kept losing and ended up uninstalling all FPS games. My trusty old Logitech G300 is dying after half a decade of use and I'm too cheap to purchase new one.

[@kjcomputer]

When you move a mouse 1/16384 mm You screen 16k monitor pixel will move 1/8 pixel per pixel

[@TheTok774]

16 000 DPI and 0.05 for me. And when I need normal DPI-800, I just press a button on my mouse to change it

[@jaccckky8978]

mouse jittering is another thing u need to consider

[@salted6422]

Got myself a nice 144hz monitor, new headphones and a Logitech G502.. Turns out I'm just plain shit at the game 😂👌

[@yeatnumber1Dmuncher]

I feel like your channel will never die. It's one of the most interesting channels.

[@joggz4279]

wait till he gets trade banned and crashes into someone with a supercar

[@jackythenotsopedoguy9974]

pilzerfa a little after he does a car reveal

[@joggz4279]

yeah boii

[@Rueee]

i come back for the flashback theme

[@miloda_bess]

His videos got me into counterstrike. I watched some of his more generic videos, and then I started watching his csgo videos and it gave me interest in both that game and also pc gaming in general. I watched him before I had a pc, and I am near positive that his channel will not die until well after csgo does. It just gives useful and entertaining content to players as a whole, not just those that play counterstrike.

[@Kevin-yh8ol]

You made me jump out of bed in the middle of the night and take a screen shot of the "mouse movement amplifier" in an fps I'm really good at, in fear that I may lose my edge in the game if I lose those settings due to some reason. Not blaming you, just saying it was a weird experience

[@unearthlyenemy]

Oh my god, Unreal Tournament on Facing Worlds.... brings me WAY back

[@waritohenito]

Agreed, that game was so fun, used to play it with my dad and brother

[@MegaKosan]

There is something magical specifically about Facing Worlds. It''s the perfect combination of it's space theme and soundtrack. Ramps the nostalgia up to 11/10.

[@GraveUypo]

i played the hell out of it and it was my first competitive online game, and first online game at all (before that it was just p2p dial up) but it's the one game from that era that i have no nostalgia for. i mean i still play it sometimes, but... i play doom a LOT more and i have more nostalgia for it.

[@vincentb5431]

*Back in my day mice had balls*

[@MasterChief-ld2ei]

That doesn't sound right

[@coptor4232]

Woah, crazy. Did they produce sperm?

[@GraveUypo]

how often did you clean the gunk in their ball?

[@jswitch3005]

I read this comment with WarOwl's old man voice

[@ajobapplication9707]

Yeah back in my days, mice would fight eachother

[@benz.]

Call the video Pixel Skipping, it rolls off the tongue better than jumps.

[@FiniteCS]

Yeah, and I expected a video on KZ long jumps, lmao.

[@e3.14c4]

I thought this was going to be a crouch jumping video tbh

[@nvmjec]

Pixel Jumps is better imo. Less syllables.

[@e3.14c4]

@@nvmjec Skipping feels more accurate, and the title already has too many syllables.

[@FiniteCS]

"Oh no, too many syllables will hurt my brain!" Sorry for the snide comment, but seriously? Since when has too many syllables been a problem to anyone who isn't writing a haiku?

[@adam10603]

It's also important to mention that you don't want to use a DPI that's too high either. A lot of mouse sensors (even high end ones) will introduce extra smoothing above a certain DPI step, which adds additional input delay. The exact DPI where this smoothing kicks in will vary, some sensors go as high as 3500 DPI (e.g. TrueMove3 in the Sensei 310/Rival 310), or some do it as low as 1800 DPI (e.g. 3389 in the DeathAdder), or the 3360 found in a lot of mice will add smoothing at 2100 DPI. So if you're not sure about your sensor, using 1600 DPI or less as a rule of thumb will prevent this from happening on most mice. Luckily, 1600 (with the game adjusted to compensate) should already be smooth enough at any resolution, if you're really that worried about pixel skipping. Also, a small amount of skipping is fine, it's only annoying when it's very extreme like you showed in UT. Another thing that might be worth mentioning is that some players prefer low DPI such as 400, because high DPI can feel "too smooth" in a way (with the game adjusted accordingly). A low in-game setting and really high DPI will pick up on the absolute smallest of movements, most of which might not even be intentional. If you have the slightest shake in your hand, the mouse will already translate that into the game. A low DPI and higher in-game setting will mean there's a higher threshold above which your mouse will pick up your movements, which can be useful to ignore unintentional micro-movements, and only have it register intentional ones, making your aim feel a bit more stable and consistent. This difference is extremely small though, and probably won't affect the majority of players, but I felt like mentioning it anyway.

[@DeSinc]

yep. most mice that go over 1600 dpi are actually halving each pixel on the mouse's sensor to achieve the effect through interpolation which is not as accurate as using a DPI setting native to the sensor's resolution. usually 800 or 1600 is best. that being said, pros use 400 because the mouse skipping angle literally doesn't matter whatsoever at that scale. the angles are just too small to ever have any effect on real gameplay. a head will always be like 15+ times bigger than the max skip you could have at a sensible sensitivity

[@hihtitmamnan]

i just checked my Pixart 3360 sensor in DM1 Pro S mouse. when i play on 3200+ dpi my flicks are getting "cancelled", meaning there is very low maximum speed of the mouse which sucks. i tried to play on 1600 dpi and it's playable now but i still believe the fastest flicks would still be influenced. 800 dpi is the best for me.

[@R3lay0]

Where do you find such information?

[@DeSinc]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIjEg3qobZyWbsU

[@desafinado56]

i will read this with brians voice and now probably you too.

[@SirWhiteboard]

I think we need to download more pixels to replace the missing ones. Just like how we download more ram to help delete system32

[@sjoerdo6988]

don't forget cpu and gpu. I'm running 13 newly downloaded cpu's atm.

[@UnluckyBro-]

What... WHAT THE FUCK!

[@liamstevenson2896]

You guys are silly yoou cant do that you goofs lol your all dum

[@Chloe-rj3nz]

I think this is known as a double r/woosh

[@adoo947]

triple r/woosh

[@GttiqwT]

I thought by "pixel jump" you meant like the little clippings where you can jump onto pixel walks etc. lol

[@ivanspoljaric9267]

GttiqwT or jumping at the last possible moment from a platform

[@psycleed8120]

me sitting here with low dpi and low sensitivity😂

[@spacesheep6547]

Me 2

[@realENGY]

The angle each mouse count changes by is determined by m_yaw or m_pitch (depending on axis) multiplied by sensitivity. Default for the m_yaw and m_pitch values is 0.022, which is why it stepped by 0.022 degrees in game with sensitivity of 1.

[@fourtwothree5422]

Oh wow, i never knew that. Thanks.

[@realENGY]

@@fourtwothree5422 Happy to spread the knowledge! :)

[@hollygreen8663]

Hi. I'm interested in how much dpi can people control. Can i use nonnative dpi like 450, 500, 550 and how it affect on stability, have it more errors than on 3200 dpi or not. What is cpi actually. If i have 900 dpi it means in square or in a straight line. i know about pixel skipping on low dpi, but i dont use more than 800 dpi anymore because it is ineffective. With 800 dpi on low-veryhigh (like 450degree/40cm) sens, there not so noticeable pixelskipping. At the same time, fewer points are easy to control. On highest dpi like 6000 i cant turn around as fast as on 400 dpi. Low dpi compared to highest dpi feels much faster, but not in all situations it depends on your ingame sensitivity. For some reason all pro players in modern games like tfue, cloakzy, kingrichard, mongraal, taimou, dafran, calvin, shroud and almost all famous cs pro playing on 400 dpi is it because of more speed and control?

[@brnddi]

This is the only thing that matters here. The game engine doesn't deal in pixels, it deals in angles. Pixels only become relevant at the very tail end of the rendering pipeline, and they have nothing to do with the game logic. What's shown on your screen is just an approximation of the internal state of the engine. In layman's terms, it's possible to turn the camera by "half a pixel", though that's a mistatement because, again, the camera angle has nothing to do with pixels. In other words, don't worry about "pixel jumps/skipping", worry about degree skipping. If you have a sensitivity of 10 with the default m_yaw, for instance, each step of your mouse will skip 0.22 degrees. As is evident from the video here, where some skipping is already visible at a sensitivity value of 8, this is already perceptible, though enemy hitboxes will likely still occupy a space greater than 0.22° at all but the most extreme ranges, which means that *technically* it won't put you at a disadvantage in most practical scenarios. Your DPI is completely irrelevant to the amount of degrees you will skip, too: it only affects your effective sensitivity. A low DPI won't make you skip more and a high DPI won't make you skip less; the only thing that matters is the in-game sensitivity value. Of course this is not to say that DPI is meaningless, as it allows you to tweak your effective sensitivity (ie. maintain low in-game sens without having an absurdly low overall sensitivity). So in practice the lesson remains the same - high DPI with low sensitivity is better - but the *reason* it's better is different. PS: lowering your m_pitch and m_yaw will increase the precision of your mouse movement, but: 1) 0.022 degrees is already a very tiny angle, and 2) the game's frame rate will impose a degree of diminishing returns on this, because multiple mouse movements during a single frame just get merged into one big mouse movement.

[@abcdef-zs9in]

​@@brnddi Nice knowledge, are you a game developer yourself? Also, isn't m_yaw and m_pitch value is multiplied by in-game sensitivity value? UPD: Statement about angles and mouse sensitivity is right in 2D games?

[@HAV0X_]

Polling rate is also important. Turning this up will increase the "refresh rate" of your mouse, but will sometimes mess with sensitivity. Also, higher polling rate will make your aim more "jittery" due to it picking up more actions. Also when you flick your mouse around really fast you'll look like you have spinbots ;)

[@plenkman]

I had spinbots once. I rubbed some ointments on it and it was better.

[@ahmetmertdogan]

I've always defended high dpi + low settings and people either said it doesn't matter or low dpi + high settings is better. FeelsGoodMan

[@rozy111]

I always noticed a difference between 800 dpi and 400 dpi, it wasn't huge, but when following a corner with your mouse it would be more obnoxious with 400 dpi cause it skipped

[@ahmetmertdogan]

@@rozy111 I was using 400 dpi a year ago then i made it 1000 dpi to give it a try and I'm using it since then

[@tuomasmatikainen1404]

i tried playing with higher dpi + low settings for 3 months and it was horrible

[@ahmetmertdogan]

@@tuomasmatikainen1404 maybe you couldn't adjust it? If you multiply the dpi by 2 you need to divide the ingame sensitivity by 2. My dpi was 400 and ingame sensitivity was 1.4 so in order to make it 1000 dpi you need to multiply 400 by 5/2 (2.5) and you need to divide 1.4 by 5/2. Which is 0.56 so your final results are 1000 dpi and 0.56 sensitivity 1000 dpi + 0.56 sens = 400 dpi + 1.4 sens

[@Bananenbrot6543]

But my native DPI is 400, if I set it up to 800 the sensor has to interpolate half of the signals, right? Sounds not really better. I will stay at @400 dpi and 1.337 Ingame sens... 1024x768 btw

[@n0xter95]

even if vids are useless is always someting lovely to watch your videos, idk why, i learn so much with you

[@monkeywithocd]

5:18 - This is game-dependent. If the game is coded well, resolution/FOV/etc. will have no effect on mouse sensitivity (as in CS:GO), but there are plently of poorly-coded games which do suffer from that issue.

[@5ive5ive6ixwr]

doesnt siege have this issue

[@FadeGamingChannel1]

this logic translates well to other games like cs, for instance black squad. just tried this on there and a noticable difference in the accuracy of my shots has appppeared. thanks philip!

[@jados5504]

Thankyou so much for making this video, i feel like it's such a consitantly asked question that never gets answered

[@operationsauce]

this is really good to know, since i use a very very low 200 dpi setting for my mouse and crank it up in game settings instead of changing mouse dpi. thankyou for the information.

[@SimonZellox]

Play the Witcher 3 and the DPI + mouse movement amplification problem will hit you hard. It feels like you move your mouse a millimeter and you aim past your target. It just feels wrong.

[@ChisponGroxo]

Mmh, it's mean to be played with a controller.

[@theobserver4214]

ChisponGroxo nah. Witcher 3 was meant for PC, as evident by the noticeable graphical downgrade on Xbox One and PS4 (including Pro, X looks nice and runs at 60FPS)

[@ChisponGroxo]

Yeah, if you judge the graphics, but tbh the gameplay feels better with a controller.

[@ivanbertoni7622]

Dude, I recently met this channel, and I just can't leave anymore. If you aren't a Valve employ, they are missing a great talent. You rocks

[@Shivaxi]

2:12 yaaaaas UT99 footage, muh childhood baby

[@socialist_elmo]

yo wtf

[@pixels_buh]

Yo shivaxi here? Also I just noticed today he has more than 200k subs but no verification check🤔

[@JonatasMonte]

I love you honesty, on any other channel you'll be talked into believing that the information you're about to be presented is valuable while in truth it is just a way to make you think you're doing something useful, by wasting your time on something.

[@KawasakiKi10]

when are we getting the servers back? I love the control point gamemode, but have no-one to play with...

[@willxu6581]

600 dpi 1.2 in game sens, so should be good

[@lukeadamek685]

I thought everyone used 72,000 dpi

[@elfinstuff8934]

BUYT It says it's unedited, so idk what happened here.

[@David_Logr]

Go play TF2 if you like CP, CTF, PayLoad etc.

[@RobertBelko]

youtube fucking up since 2005

[@lynx_CSGO]

My mouse was on 800dpi and 1.25 sensitivity. I went up to 3500dpi and set up IG sensitivity to 0.28572 (calculated) and now, i feel my mouse way more accurate, almost feels like an part of my hand. Much thanks, Phillip.

[@ralkia]

That g900 is amazing. I've had one for about two years and it's performed perfectly the whole time.

[@morphball]

I have one as well. great, isn't it ? I wish it was a bit bigger tho

[@ralkia]

I used to use a mouse that could fit your entire hand on it. However the G900's fit is recommended for you to rest the heel of your hand on the mousepad and use your fingers to control the mouse. I have pretty long fingers and this works out great for me. It took some getting used to at first though. Or you could just have colossal hands and I'm dumb haha!

[@Tudorgeable]

I appreciate that you specifically linked windows mouse sensitivity settings to game menus and not the game themselves. So many people still hold on to the myth that dx games like csgo don't use direct input and that windows sens makes a difference.

[@aturtlenamedjeff415]

I have never played CSGO but i still find your videos interesting

[@3rdDanPrime]

same goes for me

[@BurticleBean]

He was the one that got me into csgo

[@danman9847]

well now you can play it for free! beware of cheaters

[@JC360XL]

These videos never get old, it's always interesting like a History Channel episode. Or its even better than that.

[@KokoMakesThings]

38 Views, 38 Likes Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

[@nylak5479]

37 views 26 likes KZbin, you fooled us again

[@carlwheeser140]

Dread it.

[@HeruCSGO]

115 views 167 likes

[@nont489]

r/unexpectedthanos

[@CausallyExplained]

Balance is not complete without dislikes.

[@BlarghMeow]

You just explained the one thing I absolutely hated about heroes and generals because the pixel jumps are huge. And you told me how to fix it. Thank you.

[@christaincarvalho]

It's because now everyone has a 2km² mouse pad

[@davidadunola7867]

😂😂😂😭😭

[@androo8400]

It is technically correct that you get less jumping with high dpi/low in game. However, if one's hand are not very steady, you may want to use a lower dpi so that you don't get unwanted/involuntary movements, which is an argument for low dpi/high in game that I can understand. As always, great video 3kliksphilip.

[@TomTM_ST]

I am not missing pixels. I am missing Stephan Carl.

[@TheCatOfWarCSGO]

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[@TheScyphozoa]

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[@dystopia9662]

Luminous F

[@triinkett3995]

steFan Carl

[@LaTanaDiKosky]

@@triinkett3995 Karl*

[@mrebbesen]

I was just researching this a bit and needed some good source, so I wondered if you hadn't made a video about it, and yes you had! Your impact on the csgo scene is quite significant

[@Ribcut]

He has no idea what he's talking about in this video though, and it aged like milk. The in game sensitivity modifier has nothing to do with pixel skipping. This is entirely determined by DPI, and nothing else, period. You're free to replicate his experiments on your own, and you will notice the lower your DPI, the more the scope when zoomed in feels like it is moving in chunks. This is because more DPI = more information and less DPI = less information for your mouse to pick up on. Theoretically if you played on 50 DPI for example, it would feel so noticeably chunky that any in game sensitivity modifier would not even be relevant. Having a british accent and 1m subs on youtube doesn't make someone a genius, or immune to criticism. People just believe him here because of appeal to authority fallacy and fanboyism.

[@Crowbar]

the problem when using a high dpi is that a lot of games dont allow you to lower the ingame sensitivity enough to make it playable

[@TheKillingPerfection]

just change it on your mouse to play something else

[@Vlaax_]

thats not a problem tho, if u dont have a sens option in a game, it means it probably doesnt need it, so yeah, just change it to whatever suits you in that certain game

[@Surms41]

I thought about this a lot when I played a while ago. When I found about how windows sensitivity reduces pointer accuracy etc. *before I finish the video* I think higher DPI, and lower in-game is the better option. Hardware vs Software level changes.

[@LayLayYTV]

5:09 what’s with that Nicolas cage mug ?

[@ivanspoljaric9267]

On_space I know, who uses straws in mugs?

[@em0_tion]

i can easily tell you are new to this channel, 3kliksphilip is much weirder than you can ever imagine :D

[@baldksi4434]

God

[@EL_ClD]

3kliksphilip is supposed to be CS:GO stuff, but what he talks about is more than just CS:GO. I don't play CS:GO but I'm still subscribed.

[@MidnightBloomDev]

2:00 or both *HIGH*

[@wesraevens3122]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) hi silver

[@dukc6338]

you can effectively test this in CSGO as well, you just have to manually input the sensitivity into the box rather than use the slider. Delete the existing value and type any value up to 1000. The pixel jumping is really obvious.

[@charley6799]

The problem with the "better" combo is in a lot of games you only get a slider with which you can only go so low and even at my 400 dpi the lowest is still too high, and so I must lower my dpi even lower.

[@charley6799]

But....they aren't outdated, I have zero issues with older games. For example the one I had problems with most recently was Fortnite like a week ago.

[@charley6799]

@potato psoas so you're saying to min max something I don't notice, that doesn't cause me issues, I should avoid all but a select few games? Lol

[@charley6799]

got it

[@kyrazen]

@@charley6799LMFAO fortnite sens doesnt go low enough? sure bud put it to the lowest with 400 dpi and it takes about 100 meters to do a 180

[@charley6799]

@@kyrazen false at my time of playing but alright my guy. When I played that game to appease my friends I had to use 0.04 sens, and that was higher than my sens in any other game I played. Mabye it changed at some point Idk.

[@pattypattv1]

Kinda knew this for a while now, I used to play on 400 dpi 2.2 in game and ramped up to 1600 dpi and 0.55 in game. It really does feel a little smoother, although maybe only marginally, but some people prefer it not to be so smooth.

[@geometrydashkingdemon4820]

"Back in my day, mice had BALLS."

[@xanaxsandwich5441]

You can see something interesting at the table on 4:24 Values in the first and third columns are related to powers of two. 8 is 2 to the third and 2045 is almost 2048, which is 2 to the eleventh 4 is 2 to the second and 8181 is almost 8192, which is 2 to 14th and so on, up to last row 0.5 is 2 to the power of -1 and 32432 is almost 32768, which is 2 to 15th I wonder how these are related.

[@enmikos2]

Finally, after a long time, and a certain obsession on my part for that matter and testing dozens of combinations, I found the answer as to why low DPI is t's definitely better (and maybe this is one of the reasons, or the main one, for pro-players use) Low dpi - more responsive. I've seen it talked about in very few places, but yes, it's real. It is true that, High DPI x Low Sens, gives you a better precision, by skipping fewer pixels, leaves a smoother aiming sensation, but if your observation level is as sharp as I, you will notice a small input lag between action and reaction if you use 1800-2000DPI, for example, compared to 400-800 (and this is not a placebo, my tracking improves absurdly after dozens of tests, having decreased my DPI from the maximum values ​​quoted, to 400-800, I feel the reaction of my mouse movements on the screen, VERY MORE responsive), the response time is practically instantaneous, (and this makes more sense when researching more about the subject of "not exceeding 1600 DPI as smoothing/jitter is added and faults in the communication between the mouse and the sensor = Input lag) both for players of flicks, or tracking (like me) will prioritize a shorter response time, than sacrificing this to not have" pixel skipping ", not least because it’s not that relevant (the vast majority of pro players use 400-800, mainly from quake series, is already a great proof of that, and another fact that they do not use highly absurd DPI, includes the human error margin of micro-movements, but that is not the focus here). I always found myself in periods when my aim got worse sometimes, and sometimes better, and I barely noticed that the increase in DPI to not have pixel skipping, had something to do with it, in other words, the cause of my problem , but I finally found that out, and I'm happy anyway (OBS: but of course, everything is a matter of preference, there are people who prefer high DPI vs. low sens, because they prefer a smoother aim, and be used to it in the long run, vice versa, but I VERY DOUBT, that 80% of them noticed at some point, this difference, small, but perceptible if observed with attention, or at some point they noticed, but he found this possibility discardable.) I hope I helped those who read this :))

[@heartofdragon0401]

no. there's been test and higher DPI will give better input lag

[@enmikos2]

@@heartofdragon0401 more*. U just repeated wat I said in my comment I guess

[@derbybOyzZ]

I've been trying to tell people this for years but they never believed me. Thankyou for making this.

[@StyxDescension]

Hearing Forgone Destruction again got me kicking hnnnnnnng

[@marcusmeysel2589]

I actually thought about this topic myself a while ago and I've already figured out the "best combination" of in-game sensivity and DPI back then, but it's still very interesting to learn about the actual difference it makes (or doesn't make)! Only thing I kind of missed in this video was an analysis of the option "raw mouse input", i think this would have belonged in here. Overall, nice video as always

[@kris-wj3wj]

I bought in to the "high sensitivity is cool thing" stuck with it for years. Finally adult me decided to question it and forced myself to play with painfully low sensitivity in cs. I suddenly was way better at cs in a day or two. my sensitivity made the cut from 6 to 1.5 in csgo lol

[@SD-ni9jh]

Lol I had that too

[@guven172004]

Holy shit, thank you. Thanks to this video I will be able fix my skipping pixels problem. I thought it was normal for years.

[@Hydro.131]

"it's all about rgb lighting these days" yup

[@jonaswox]

For an easy explanation of the alisasing effect think like this: Mouse moves 1 unit - translates to 1 unit in the RAW output. Windows amplifies by 1 and theen CSGO amplifies by 1.6. Movement is now equal to 2.0 after rounding and there you have it. You have "destroyed the resolution" of your mouse by using amplification since the lowest unit you will be able to move is 2 units.

[@blzy2305]

Damn I miss my pixels :(

[@CausallyExplained]

Rip my pixels 😭

[@UnluckyBro-]

Cant afford pixels #Feelsbadman

[@MajkaSrajka]

trivia: Some StarCraft Broodwar players, after StarCraft Remastered was released opted to keep playing at 4:3 instead of 16:9. Why? Isn't the bigger field of view (without the black bars at the side) a clear advantage? In RTSes you move camera by sticking mouse cursors to the side of the screen (in some of them pros move cameras using different methods too), and players (pros, including world champions) used to 4:3 screen sizes actually keep playing at 4:3! It is super funky to see two player-sight markers on the minimap as observer - one narrower (4:3) and one wider (16:9) :-)

[@quandary23]

This vid just reminded me how long amazon is taking to ship my logitech mouse (with rgb lighting, ofc)

[@floatline]

I've noticed that a higher DPI setting makes your hand "lazier", as I call it, which basically means that it is used to make smaller movements to have the same result as the lower DPI setting. This results in a different feeling of the game when aiming with the exact same mouse sensitivity (DPIxsensitivity amplifier). Conclusion? Don't change your DPI (unless it is unreasonably high), it may affect your aim and your play style in a negative way.

[@floatline]

What I mean by this is that your "aim training" (the muscle memory part of it, to be specific) is not happening only in game. Consider the DPI to be the more important part of DPI x Sensitivity amplifier = True sens.

[@Frenzibrenzi]

Just keep in mind that the higher the DPI on your mouse, the more "noise" you will have, meaning more errors and misread information your mouse will pick up.

[@MrKaheden]

I played 4,73 with 2200 dpi and really switching to 1,30 with 8000 dpi made really a notable difference, the feeling is awesome and more fluid so reaallyyyy thank you !

[@MidnightBloomDev]

Why would someone buy good mouse? Gaming chair is what you need.

[@jonaswox]

Hello. This is Aliasing in effect. Basically what you want is windows amplification and ingame amplification = 1, and then control the sensitivity with your mouse DPI. This has multiple advantages whereas your video points out the main one. Pixel skipping/Aliasing from amplification and rounding. The second advantage is that you can more easy achieve the same sensitivity in 2 different shooter games in this manner. At last - as im an old rat, i've been through countless iterations of the game, and the ingame sensitivy slider has changed multiple times over time. By using sensitivity = 1 you can completely ignore all these UserInterface approaches to setting sensitivity with a slider or some graphic manipulation, and just be confident with your settings.

[@davisbelostockis2102]

4:52 where did you bought that cup?

[@ezrac704]

I set my DPI to 2.5K and my sens to 1 because of this video. DPI is dots per inch, or how many pixels you crosshair moves per inch. The sens just amplifies this value, so if I have it at 1 then I should move 1 pixel each time, never skipping or moving less than can be shown on screen. This also makes it easier for me to move between games and have the same sens.

[@Rollmops94]

People who play counterstrike against unarmed bots also fistfight children.

[@midlowreborn]

I sure do

[@RisinT96]

Been playing on 12k DPI and near minimum ingame sensitivity for a long time now. Never understood the people recommending 800 doing with x2.5 or x3 ingame sensitivity. You've just proven my theory true.

[@5usp3c7]

0:16 I think the word you're looking for is eDPI. You're welcome.

[@spincha3755]

edpi is mouse dpi+game sens ,both combind gives a u a number so now .. that wasnt the word

[@GraveUypo]

as soon as i saw the ut's sniper crosshair i knew EXACTLY what you were talking about. it was a massive problem back then. the jumps in the low dpi mice were so huge sometimes you couldn't physically aim at the other guy without walking because the aim would snap right past him in either side. i had to use a sensitivity of 14. now i use 2.5 for the same speed. good times. by the way, check out the actual max DPI for the sensor used in your mouse. the higher settings are all interpolated and thus WORSE than the highest non-interpolated DPI you can reach. it's usually ballpark 1600~3200 dpi, even if your mouse goes to 16000 dpi

[@villemattias]

I do not know why pros don't use higher dpi, and I have been wondering about this for a while. Why use 400 DPI if you can use 1000+ but just lower the sensitivity to get the same effective DPI in game? Is it because they don't know about the "problem" or is there another reason? It's not like you couldn't do with a bit more accuracy in your mouse movement. I used to play with 600 DPI and 2.0 in game sensitivity (1200 eDPI), but I changed to 1200 DPI and 1.0 in game sensitivity (still 1200 eDPI) because it just feels smoother and fluid to aim.

[@aok9153]

I use 800dpi 1.3sens, i have 800dpi since it feels great browsing the internet. ' And i turned off the dpi changing button so i dont accidentaly press it in game

[@GreatMCGamer]

Pros have a mouse mat big enough to be used as a blanket to sleep under. So they use DPI 400 and in game 1.5 and stuff

[@villemattias]

@@GreatMCGamer Yeah but let's say they have 400 DPI and in game sens 1.5, that would put their eDPI at 600. Instead of that they could use 800 DPI and 0.75 in game sens and still have the same effective sensitivity at 600, just the movements being more accurate and smooth. That's what my comment was about wondering why they use lower DPI higher sens instead of vice versa, not about how low their effective DPI is.

[@GreatMCGamer]

Sensors have a limit of how fast DPI they can have optimally Going above that DPI just multiplies the existing DPI 12000 DPI is not any more accurate than 800.

[@villemattias]

@@GreatMCGamer With accuracy I mean the type discussed in the video. Higher dpi = higher accuracy = less pixels jumped when moving the crosshair, which means 12000 DPI with lower sens is more accurate than 800 DPI with higher sens.

[@krishort]

I found this out myself some time ago when I was testing out 4:3, and why it felt smoother for no apparent reason. The thing is, even though you aren't going to skip over the pixel the enemy is at, the mouse movement feels more responsive and smooth.

[@mylifeisgoodgg]

i play 800 dpi with 1.2 sens in game

[@JonatasAdoM]

I can't believe it took a CS crazy scientist to answer this century old question! Thank you Klik.

[@SaitamaTTV]

Ayyyy im not the only one that doesnt use a mousepad !! 0:34

[@OriginalRaveParty]

Stefan Costa Be careful though. Your mouse may have a hard time accurately tracking on some surfaces (especially shiny ones), which leads to a different kind of accuracy error, inconsistent tracking.

[@fartmerchant762]

That's why you're still in silver, I firmly believe that everyone needs a mousepad thats 12" across minimum for optimal gamer performance. HA I remember my days of playing with a 6" by 6" square trashpad and constantly lifting my mouse

[@osmanaslan3649]

@@fartmerchant762 How much difference does a bigger mouse pad do? I play on a 6" mouse pad and I lift my mouse a lot. But I use my wrist to aim not my arm. So I think even if I get a bigger mouse pad, I can't use it to its full extent. I also remember about a CS:GO pro who lifts his mouse a lot. I think It's about being used to playing CS in cramped spaces. My mouse dpi is 800 and in game sensitivity is 1.6. I am nova btw. Sorry for my bed england. 😅

[@fartmerchant762]

+Osman Aslan it really makes a big difference when you play at lower sensitivity and lets you be really precise when aiming. A large mousepad has saved me countless times when I need to aim far right or left when I would of had to lift my mouse and get killed using a smaller pad. Oh and I highly recommend aiming with your arm, it makes aiming a lot easier

[@jakey9065]

I play with no mousepad, and i removed my arm rest on my chair to make it easier to aim. I'm in diamond in siege.

[@skrrtskrrt646]

before even watching the video i'd like to present an analogy: high dpi with low sensitivity, is like making a larger image (larger resouloution) smaller: high detail While making low dpi with high sensitivity is like strechting a small image (lower resouloution), lower detail, although they both have the same ''physical'' size, the mouse movent form edge to edge.

[@krenzzie7290]

400dpi = 640x480 - 1280×960 800dpi = 1440×1080 - 1920×1080 1.6k dpi = 1920×1440 ................

[@DarkIzo]

fullhd 2k dpi come at me

[@krenzzie7290]

@@sinonxkatarina it skips a bit 1920×1440 with 800dpi

[@OriginalRaveParty]

Kristijan Jozić How do you come to this conclusion? The video seems to state that the opposite is true.

[@hihtitmamnan]

i'm using 800 dpi for 1024x768 - 1920x1080 and it's perfect would definetely use 1600 dpi for 4K.

[@krenzzie7290]

@@OriginalRaveParty testing

[@walkieer]

I wish games would implement a universal "degrees per inch" slider, instead of vague unit-less "sensitivity" we get. Setting sensitivity would so much easier.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Most annoying are games that have a non-linear slider. Where 4 isn't double the speed of 2, but it scales in a curve.

[@walkieer]

@@HappyBeezerStudios What game does that? Ughh

[@ThompYT]

pppffffttt.... 12k dpi? TRY 16k DPI

[@ThompYT]

get an 8k display turn windows sensitivity to zero and in-dame sensitivity too, get the highest DPI mouse (16k dpi I think) and spend 10k on a pc that is even capable of running all of that and then just.... Realise, it doesn't help you at all

[@rozy111]

and then realise that you still have crippling depression lol

[@ThompYT]

why is my comment still being commented?

[@hihtitmamnan]

i know you are joking, but just saying... anything beyond 3000 dpi is honestly useless if you try it and then lower ur in game sens. can't do quick hand moves with high dpi.

[@ThompYT]

1st of all, with a lot of experience you can! And you can do a lot... And second just lower windows mouse properties sensitivity and it's like normal just WAY more percise

[@greasyfingers9250]

Little bit of info about the source engine: The degrees you rotate is m_yaw/m_pitch * sensitivity * number of pixels. That's all it is.

[@csrix]

Lmao 8sens 3 sens I have 0.3 lol

[@jort93z]

if you play at 400 dpi you obviously don't want to be using 0.3 mouse sens though. F0rest plays with 3.5 sens for example. And not a single pro player is using 0.3 or lower as far as i know.

[@FacelessMF]

0.3 ingame at 400 dpi, its more or less 50cm to do 180°

[@lukebostwick1070]

The problem with using a super high dpi like say 16000 in games is that most games only let you adjust mouse sensitivity (amplification) in gameplay and not in menus, which makes it a pain navigating menus with your mouse.

[@JessicaFEREM]

You can work around using a higher DPI when you're in windows by turning down the windows "In game Movement amplifier" and then turn the DPI up as high as it'll let you, optionally you can install RawAccel and ONLY use the Device menu to set the DPI across all your mice to feel the exact same minus sensor deviations. also also, if you have a Mac, Linearmouse will let you set very specific mouse sensitivity for each mouse.

[@viviandsouza5704]

This video helps me a lot . I am able to understand the difference between sensitivity and dpi

[@DieSpastisTV]

Funny thing is: I found this out myself when playing with Sensitivitys and DPI. After that i told my friends they should never go over 1 sensitivity in-game.

[@Splarkszter]

Got my first high end reliable mouse today, thanks for this video.

[@alexandrelopushanskyy9164]

I actually tried this in csgo and over time I noticed low dpi was better. Simply because with lower dpi, it doesnt register small hand movements when i'm trying to keep my aim stable. So if you have shaky hands, lower dpi is the way to go.

[@Cosmicmorales]

Opposite way around for me.

[@alexhondota]

really like the forgone destruction on the new videos. heard it weeks ago. put my heart on it and then use it in content

[@TheGamerUnknown]

Might be worth mentioning the Windows setting should be at 6/11. At this setting, it is always 1:1 with what the mouse provides, meaning Windows isn't screwing with the mouse input.

[@SebWilkes]

Philip, great video but I do need to interject! Basically the problem is that the hardware is less and less able to accurately distinguish how much movement occurs at high DPIs so there is a risk of getting extra 'noise' which may go the other way. * Just a warning! *

[@GoldSrc_]

Data is data, it's never useless, I've never thought about this but now I'm interested.

[@ikagura]

That Unreal Tournament part made me nostalgic

[@gamerlrvmtgamerlrvmt6013]

Me too.. had so much fun playing that game omg..

[@ReDMooNTVV]

love those kinds of videos Philip! keep them comin

[@someweeb3650]

Windows "pointer speed" is also related to how much you need to move your mouse around

[@pinkharmonica1312]

Definitely not useless, many people wonder about this. It is good that you have settled that it mostly doesn't matter at most normal sensitivities.

[@basti329]

I am using a G502 with 16k DPI setting, lowered pointer speed and a in-game sens of 0.85. Feels very good to me :)

[@Ersdown_Liberia]

Thanks. Now i play higher dpi low sens. Need to adapt lil bit but after a few days i legit improve my reaction and aim thanks.

[@Kungfuchicken981]

This video isn't useless, I learned that I was using my mouse wrong, thank you

[@fourtwothree5422]

I always thought pixel skipping was caused by dpi and not in game settings. Very interesting. Thanks Philip

[@UseZapCannon]

I play on 1050 DPI and low in-game settings- I didn't actually know my mouse sensitivity until just now, and this surprises me, because I always thought my DPI was really high. In-game I can just about complete a full 360 from end to end of the mousepad, which seems good.

[@rm-rf9605]

Beside those pixel jumps, I use high sensitivity + low ingame sensitivity for another reason. I like high sens for desktop use but a lower sens for games like CSGO. High sens + low ingame sens allows me to have a low sens crosshair movement while maintaining the faster mouse movement in menus (main menu, buy menu, etc.) and on the desktop of course.

[@kamarkamikaze1839]

it's very useful , in Rainbow six pixels skip always make me miss my spot to aim for prefire corner thx man you save many life of FPS player :)