Pixel x86: A New Mini MS-DOS & Windows Gaming PC!

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@Hawkster52
@Hawkster52 16 күн бұрын
"Things that should work just don't for some reason" sounds like a realistic recreation of old school computing.
@brandonallen2372
@brandonallen2372 16 күн бұрын
That's my experience of computing before XP came out.
@ScarbellyScott
@ScarbellyScott 16 күн бұрын
Check the dip switches.
@kkfdes
@kkfdes 16 күн бұрын
Hahaha
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 16 күн бұрын
it's a realistic recreation of computing, it didn't change
@tarajoe07
@tarajoe07 16 күн бұрын
I'm crying laughing. Too true
@andrewr5504
@andrewr5504 16 күн бұрын
Very glad to see you getting back in the swing of things.
@LGR
@LGR 16 күн бұрын
Slowly but surely!
@pleasebepatientihaveuwutis7179
@pleasebepatientihaveuwutis7179 16 күн бұрын
​@@LGR Were you able to salvage much of your collection?
@IDHANYT
@IDHANYT 16 күн бұрын
@@pleasebepatientihaveuwutis7179 Watch the videos dude. He goes into great detail on what he was able to salvage and what he wasn't...
@ikke1981
@ikke1981 16 күн бұрын
​@@pleasebepatientihaveuwutis7179 look at some videos from late last year about salvaging the collection. Should give you an idea.
@emalinedickinson7492
@emalinedickinson7492 16 күн бұрын
@@LGR Don't call me Shirley.
@bmw518rijder
@bmw518rijder 16 күн бұрын
The Vortex x86DX procesor is a pentium 1 based processor. Our company also use this processor in our traffic light controller as a application processor.
@LGR
@LGR 16 күн бұрын
Fascinating, I love hearing how those are used in the real world!
@franksalas5855
@franksalas5855 16 күн бұрын
interesante ...
@Amber57499
@Amber57499 16 күн бұрын
Is it because they're more reliable? I feel like way cheaper ARM SoCs could handle it as well, but I know nothing about this!
@GreyMatterShades
@GreyMatterShades 16 күн бұрын
So can your company's traffic light controllers run Doom? Don't tell me you haven't tried! 😂
@LBJshowedmehisJ
@LBJshowedmehisJ 16 күн бұрын
​@@Amber57499 From what little I understand, many machines in industry use standards and software that are quite archaic. For instance, there are plenty of milling machines that are controlled by software that only works properly under win9x, so having a new computer based on old p5 or 486 based chips would be advantageous.
@NoToeLong
@NoToeLong 16 күн бұрын
It's neat, but $500 is very tough sell, especially without any 3D acceleration. At that point you're better off with an old thin client, with some even having PCI sound cards and 3D graphics (not very good 3D, but better than nothing). Phil's Computer Lab has good videos on turning old thin clients into Windows 98 machines.
@PeTTs0n88
@PeTTs0n88 16 күн бұрын
DOS sound compatibility with PCI sound cards though... I dread it. Phil makes it seem like sunshine and rainbows, and let me tell you it aint. Got a bunch of old PCs with non-ISA chipsets (curse you Intel for dropping ISA support with the 8xx-series chipsets) and compatibility is an absolute nightmare. I love Dune 2, but that's a nightmare. Duke 3D can be a pain too. Got ES1938s, ALS4000s, Vortex 2s, CMI8738s, a bunch of different Sound Blaster PCI cards that all tout Sound Blaster Pro compatibility and yeeeah... in Real DOS that's really stretching the truth. The Vortex 2's built-in FM Synth is absolutely awful if nothing else... The ISA support and sound in this is a huge selling point for me (even if the Crystal chipset isn't exactly on my top 3 ISA list), but yeah, there are a few too many drawbacks for that price. The I/O issues and lack of 3D acceleration, and the weird issues the architecture and feature set can cause (like in POD), is definitely real bad. Should be possible to sort something out if there's a PCI and/or PCIe bus available - there are mobility chipsets that would probably work well. Worst case scenario with a PCIe to PCI bridge chip if there's no PCI bus available. But then you'd on the other hand add additional cost and complexity. :/
@SylwesterGasiorowski-f7l
@SylwesterGasiorowski-f7l 16 күн бұрын
For 500 bucks i can get some second hand i7 with 3060 pc and emulate Anything 😂 not seeing Why would anyone buy those ...
@mirific87
@mirific87 15 күн бұрын
hp 5720 and hp t5710 are out of stock for a few years now, they were the best.
@PeTTs0n88
@PeTTs0n88 15 күн бұрын
@@SylwesterGasiorowski-f7l For $10k I can get a second hand Ford Mustang that'll go faster than a Porsche 356, not seeing why anyone buy those. 😂 Same line of reasoning - for some, the genuine stuff is worth *a lot* more than a cheap copy, even if it in most cases, on paper, "outperforms" it.
@SaulGreatorixMusic
@SaulGreatorixMusic 15 күн бұрын
I have a 2018 model Dell Wyse Zx0Q Thin Client with 2 x 9 pin com ports and a parallel port because it was used in some fast food chains that still use legacy connectors for their receipt printers and bump buttons. It also has a built in Radeon GPU which I have discovered is even quite capable of running the Dolphin emulator. I think this may be a specialised model as some of the ones I've seen on eBay and elsewhere don't have these ports. I was allowed to take this one home for free after the restaurant upgrade!
@Pi-ni3vl
@Pi-ni3vl 10 күн бұрын
Please, never change your background music. It‘s so comforting, like coming home to a time when things were alright. Maybe they weren‘t and I was just young, but who cares if it feels the same :)
@Desenrrollado
@Desenrrollado 16 күн бұрын
Thanks for the upload! I hope that everything keeps going smoothly for you Clint. You're a great person and it's always nice to see your calm and cozy uploads. * Edited to fix the word keep. Was half asleep.
@anonymouschicken20
@anonymouschicken20 16 күн бұрын
It's very nice that LGR is very transparent about partnerships, sendovers, and affiliates. It's nice to hear a KZbinr say that their words are fresh without company influence (not that it wasn't obvious with the good constructive criticism but still). I feel like this should be more of a standard in both Social Media but also in other media like TV.
@Lu-db1uf
@Lu-db1uf 16 күн бұрын
Not without regulation it won't be
@anonymouschicken20
@anonymouschicken20 16 күн бұрын
@@Lu-db1uf There's a whole Tom Scott video on that, ik.
@hikeskool
@hikeskool 16 күн бұрын
This is more or less standard with channels of any repute and / or size, and if something looks funny there are hundreds / thousands of "commentary" channels ready to "call out" "bad actors." I wouldn't get too excited 👌
@charliemartin-k7m
@charliemartin-k7m 16 күн бұрын
Wish he added paid promotion in it so I would have not even clicked the video.
@hikeskool
@hikeskool 16 күн бұрын
@@charliemartin-k7m what do you mean? Specifically?
@I_TheLandlord
@I_TheLandlord 16 күн бұрын
Gotta say, the retro PC crowd make some of the coolest stuff.
@jimbotron70
@jimbotron70 15 күн бұрын
Nerds at work.
@PeTTs0n88
@PeTTs0n88 15 күн бұрын
Those new 3DFX Voodoo reproduction cards make me drool.
@BasedSqueaky
@BasedSqueaky 16 күн бұрын
I'd be more into a version of this with a Pentium III and a 3D accelerator around the original GeForce's level. That was more my childhood. A lot of games from the XP days struggle on modern hardware almost as much as the DOS stuff.
@Helladamnleet
@Helladamnleet 15 күн бұрын
Honestly, same. I'd even take Pentium II with 3D acceleration of some sort, but Pentium III would be a sweet spot before games got modern enough that newer, still easily found, computers can run the software easily enough.
@BasedSqueaky
@BasedSqueaky 15 күн бұрын
@@drunkndisorderly83 Moreso old Windows games. A lot of my favorites from back then are a pain to get working right on my modern Ryzen box.
@pilotsmoe
@pilotsmoe 15 күн бұрын
Wyse VX0 thin client, from 2007ish, it has full driver support for win98 and XP, and 3d acceleration(about circa 2000 Geforce 256 speeds)
@GDI221
@GDI221 15 күн бұрын
windows xp era stuff is still VERY cheap
@MarcusMoji
@MarcusMoji 13 күн бұрын
Same. Basically a good range speed for 2003/2004 XP PC I’d be all over it
@wielomarian
@wielomarian 16 күн бұрын
I wish there was that big ol' ENERGY STAR logo on boot up.
@volvo09
@volvo09 16 күн бұрын
That was EVERYWHERE! True win98 era nostalgia
@CWINDOWSsystem32
@CWINDOWSsystem32 16 күн бұрын
I'm just glad to still see the American Megatrends logo on the POST screen of my new computer, though their new logo just doesn't give the same vibe.
@Ichbaar
@Ichbaar 16 күн бұрын
Holy shit. And it had a prompt that said "skip forever", well, it didn't skip forever. It was there forever. Never buying anything energy star.
@volvo09
@volvo09 15 күн бұрын
@Ichbaar I never had a computer that would skip the energy stay logo, it was just part of the bios telling anyone who knew that the motherboard was capable of soft power on and off, and could "sleep" instead of fully turning the computer off with a physical switch.
@seumeroutdoor
@seumeroutdoor 16 күн бұрын
This is really cool, been waiting for something like this, Thanks!
@xAxCx
@xAxCx 16 күн бұрын
I'm very happy to see you're still going strong after the tragic loss of stuff after the storm
@LGR
@LGR 16 күн бұрын
Thank you, I'm doing my best under the circumstances!
@Daimo83
@Daimo83 14 күн бұрын
Stuff isn't important
@Dreadpirateflappy
@Dreadpirateflappy 7 күн бұрын
@@Daimo83 Stuff can be very important, just not as important as life.
@Ojisan642
@Ojisan642 16 күн бұрын
Would be cool to see one additional upgraded model with some 3D acceleration chip on the custom PCB, just like how they did for the sound card. Having OpenGL support would make more games run more gooder.
@OpenGL4ever
@OpenGL4ever 16 күн бұрын
From such a new retro PC I would expect Glide compatibility, which would require a Voodoo chipset. Most 3D accelerated games of that time ran best with Glide on a Voodoo card. I wouldn't settle for anything less.
@Eyepatchfilms
@Eyepatchfilms 16 күн бұрын
@@OpenGL4ever It could be anything with dgvoodoo1 compatibility honestly. I'd want at least 16mb of vram though, preferably 32
@OpenGL4ever
@OpenGL4ever 16 күн бұрын
@@Eyepatchfilms dgvoodoo1 will probably not work with DOS games that access directly a voodoo chipset. Therefore i would prefer voodoo or better VSA-100 compatibility on hardware level.
@H3Vtux
@H3Vtux 16 күн бұрын
Very nostalgic episode. I'm not sure if it was that exact monitor I had but I vividly remember my first PC monitor coming with a big rectangular power button like that. Good times.
@8frostmourne
@8frostmourne 16 күн бұрын
I appreciate that the power LED is green instead of blue. A pox on blue LEDs I say!
@WarrenGarabrandt
@WarrenGarabrandt 15 күн бұрын
Technology Connections would agree on that.
@teen_laqueefa
@teen_laqueefa 15 күн бұрын
A pox indeed hoo raa
@infinity2z3r07
@infinity2z3r07 16 күн бұрын
every "retro" product nowadays is 3x what i would even consider paying
@modernandretrogaming
@modernandretrogaming 16 күн бұрын
Entire PC's sometimes can be bought even for 100$ or less. That price is way too much, about 100$ or 80$ could be much better.
@fnjesusfreak
@fnjesusfreak 16 күн бұрын
@@modernandretrogaming Yeah, I remember when $50 was a big ask for a 486DX2/50 lol
@blikpils
@blikpils 16 күн бұрын
At that price ill consider buying a mac mini and running it all in emulation
@modernandretrogaming
@modernandretrogaming 16 күн бұрын
@@fnjesusfreak Overpricing and greed at its best like situation with Factorio with its no discounts and high price all time. As for games I will buy another HDD/SSD than today AAA games.
@maliciousbugman
@maliciousbugman 16 күн бұрын
For me, it majorly depends on how "engineered" something is and what the alternatives look like. For example: I was happy to pay $250 for my Model F77 keyboard since much of its makeup was a meticulous bespoke recreation process to revive a long-defunct physical keyboard mechanism, _and_ to do so with modern layouts and connectivity. Plus I got an earlier zinc-alloy case, so mine weighs as much as a collapsing star and thus is completely indestructible. Best quarter of a grand I've ever spent (though from what I've seen from others' accounts, quality and shipping control leave something to be desired). _This,_ however? From what I can see, it's much less bespoke, and there are much cheaper alternatives to achieve much the same end results in a fashion many would consider acceptably comparable, unless you're _extremely_ pressed for space in your setup and/or are relentlessly anal about the most minute inaccuracies.
@Paulnt04
@Paulnt04 16 күн бұрын
Oh man. I still have my original SimCity 2000, SimTower, and POD disks. I really should build a retro PC to play them.
@0x0404
@0x0404 16 күн бұрын
You can get simcity 2000 from gog with whatever support they offer for a lot cheaper
@X1Daring2
@X1Daring2 15 күн бұрын
It's good to have you back lgr, hope you are doing well and staying safe, keep up the amazing technology and lovely work
@dataterminal
@dataterminal 16 күн бұрын
Very nice. I recently got a MiSTer FPGA to run a 486 machine. It does other consoles and computers, but for me having what essentially a period correct PC for me, it's perfect. Even supports loading disk images via NFC. It was that or repurposing a thin client. Loads of options now for retro gaming on 'non-original' equipment.
@wesleybcrowen
@wesleybcrowen 16 күн бұрын
Recently got a MiSTer too and it's fantastic for anything up to N64. AmigaVision provides an easily accessible way to play Amiga games too!
@Chyrosran22
@Chyrosran22 9 күн бұрын
Awesome, might just pick one of these up :D .
@trollsthatlol1
@trollsthatlol1 2 күн бұрын
Which keyboard of the 52,000 you seem to have are you using? :P
@Chyrosran22
@Chyrosran22 2 күн бұрын
@trollsthatlol1 currently? The ND75.
@sosemiteyam562
@sosemiteyam562 16 күн бұрын
Happy New Year, Clint! :)
@draakevil
@draakevil 16 күн бұрын
Would have been interesting if it had a Glide-compatibile graphics card included.
@SnipE_mS
@SnipE_mS 16 күн бұрын
Eivind and the Rasteri deserve quite a bit of credit for inspiring these designs. Eivind's designs are probably some of the coolest I've ever seen for these. people should real check them out!
@initiallytk
@initiallytk 16 күн бұрын
That's an amazing lockscreen image on your phone 😅 gave me a good chuckle
@brick6347
@brick6347 16 күн бұрын
Looks very nice... but the price! My worthless $2 is: if you want to play old games, you can get an old laptop for $50-$100. Throw in an SD card adapter and a VGA-to-HDMI adapter, and you're good to go for most DOS games, and a lot of later Windows games (3D notwithstanding, mileage may vary). Many manufacturers still have all the drivers on their websites, which makes life a lot easier.
@PeTTs0n88
@PeTTs0n88 16 күн бұрын
Problem with old HW is generally gonna be caps and/or battery/-ies. If not recapped, you're likely to run into issues. And that can be both costly and a challenge for those without experience/training and equipment. :( And VGA-HDMI converters can be *real* trashy, especially the China stuff. Cheap ADC's with a bunch of weird scaling issues are commonplace.
@nicche511
@nicche511 15 күн бұрын
I play a lot of old games and with a little Googling you can usually find forums or wiki pages that have complete tutorials for getting a game running on a modern system. Usually it’s messing with some game files or sometimes there’s even open source launchers to streamline the whole process (like with Rollercoaster Tycoon 2)!
@Wastelandman7000
@Wastelandman7000 15 күн бұрын
Been a very long time since I've seen an old laptop going for under $150
@charliemartin-k7m
@charliemartin-k7m 15 күн бұрын
Just bought a windows Xp laptop the other day for around 30 dollars on eBay just needed a charger which was an easy find on Amazon.
@Osprey850
@Osprey850 15 күн бұрын
@@Wastelandman7000 There are countless old laptops on eBay for under $150.
@locust76
@locust76 16 күн бұрын
I imagine Clint asking Pixel about the fact that they sell Windows 98 SE with their machines, saying "That seems a little _unusual_ ..." and like in the movie Contact, the Pixel representative just says "It _is_ unusual, isn't it?" and just hangs up.
@mattg7485
@mattg7485 16 күн бұрын
Where are they finding legit Windows 98 COEs at this late hour? I hope they're genuine or this little pointless add-in will cost them the farm.
@PeTTs0n88
@PeTTs0n88 16 күн бұрын
@@mattg7485 I want to believe they just found a thousand or so dusty OEM copies in a container somewhere around a company long since bankrupt, lost and forgotten. And bought at scrap weight price. 😅
@kiki83607
@kiki83607 8 күн бұрын
@@mattg7485 doesn't look like they have any COA, a bit shaddy
@BendingInTheWind
@BendingInTheWind 16 күн бұрын
I don't think I'd go for it at that price point. It looks nice, but I can think of a number of other things that I can do to get my nostalgic gaming fix.
@bobweiram6321
@bobweiram6321 16 күн бұрын
For one thing, you can get an equivalent PC for free. Plus, you save it from becoming toxic ewaste.
@BendingInTheWind
@BendingInTheWind 16 күн бұрын
@bobweiram6321 Right!? Dig it out of that sinkhole that was once grandpa's garage! Haha. Of course, I built a cheaper K6-2 system from old parts I found on ebay and elsewhere. Even found a new old-stock mobo. But, it was also PC Chips. So, there's some down sides. Lol.
@watcherit1311
@watcherit1311 16 күн бұрын
​@@bobweiram6321Are you sure that "free" computer would be of this size and with modern ports (especially SD reader)? Yeah, old one would probably have a floppy drive as a bonus, but tomatoes are still not really comparable to oranges.
@bobweiram6321
@bobweiram6321 16 күн бұрын
@@watcherit1311 If size matters, run an emulator, Proxmox, or Rasberry Pi. Even old 8-bit machines work fine with SD readers. You can walk into any decent thrift store and walk out with free PCs because they usually pay to have them disposed of.
@bobweiram6321
@bobweiram6321 16 күн бұрын
@@BendingInTheWind 😂 I might have sold it to you on eBay for $25 bucks a few years ago. It was a PC chips mobo with an Athlon processor.
@CharlesOttman
@CharlesOttman 16 күн бұрын
5/64th = 1.98mm so let's just call it 2mm 🙂
@masterkamen371
@masterkamen371 16 күн бұрын
'Murica!!! Even the screws have to be a completely obscure standard to most other parts of the world.
@mikemulligan5731
@mikemulligan5731 16 күн бұрын
It is a 2mm most likely, seeing how the thing it is used in comes from Europe, which is also another good reason to call it such. Sorry, I can't help myself..
@RobBulmahn
@RobBulmahn 16 күн бұрын
A good rule of thumb is, if it's a really weird size in inches, then it's probably a standard size in mm.
@winterhell2002
@winterhell2002 16 күн бұрын
Everyone in the US is a musician, with their fractions. 7/8ths.
@benn454
@benn454 16 күн бұрын
@masterkamen371 It was made in the EU. But go off. Living in your head rent free.
@mancavehobbies6213
@mancavehobbies6213 16 күн бұрын
Happy new year Clint and hope you get to move back into your home this year.
@livid76
@livid76 14 күн бұрын
Great to see you back! Keep the great content coming!
@kissfan003
@kissfan003 16 күн бұрын
CLINT! Hope you are well Friend! Glad you are able to get back in the saddle again.
@Dj3ndo
@Dj3ndo 10 күн бұрын
Glad to see new videos Clint. Loving the content.
@lerkzor
@lerkzor 16 күн бұрын
Cool idea, it's nice to see something like this show up for today's gamers to be able to almost painlessly sample yesteryear's PC space. I also find it kinda ... sus ... with MS products and warez so prominently featured. I hope that doesn't come back to bite them later. Another concern is connecting a Win98 machine to the modern internet ... probably not a wise idea. I agree that a device specifically marketed to retro enthusiasts needs to have a full compliment of retro connectivity - even if they just use one proprietary port with a splitter dongle having all the old ports (less desirable), but the best solution would be to include 1 9-pin serial, 1 parallel, 1 MIDI/Gameport, 2 PS/2, 1 Ethernet, 1 USB 2.0, 1 3.5mm rear speaker jack, 1 3.5mm front headphone jack, and 1 power connection. A dedicated power switch is highly desired, as well as a HDD LED to show storage access activity. Also on the front should be the power and reset buttons, and the storage media slot. I would also like to see some minimalist version of GNU+Linux available to order pre-installed - but that's just me being wishful ;) Overall I like the thing. I hope they do well enough to be able to afford dropping the price later which would perhaps attract more casual users who can't justify the current high cost of entry.
@volvo09
@volvo09 16 күн бұрын
Unless one were to browse old cached web pages it's pretty pointless to connect win98 to the Internet since you can't really do anything with it as all browsers are decades out of date... Nothing will work. And I agree, a HDD access led would be a good addition. Even cooler would be an appropriately sized CF card slot so you can use an IBM Microdrive and have a real mini hard disk in your mini PC :)
@thesenamesaretaken
@thesenamesaretaken 12 күн бұрын
​@@volvo09I'm sure the Thorium browser has builds for XP that can apparently be used on win2000. 98 is probably pushing it though, unfortunately.
@tomferguson9250
@tomferguson9250 14 күн бұрын
Great stuff, glad you're getting back to videos after the rough time with storms & everything else. These are cool, only gripe is not having a dedicated video chip but I know that'd cost more to implement. I still have an old retro Dell laptop with a 1.1Ghz P3, maxed 512MB memory, upgraded 80GB laptop drive & Nvidia GeForce2 Go video. Other than the screen being a little dim & re-pasting the CPU, it's a little beast & works great with an external LCD. Pretty sure I snagged in during a parts recycling run at an old job like 10 years ago, outside the hard drive being shot the only thing it needed was a new battery. This & my Thinkpad T61 are my go-to Win98 & XP retro gaming systems, they don't build laptops like they used to.
@FollowApeLaw
@FollowApeLaw 16 күн бұрын
Always nice to grab some breakfast and have a brand new LGR to watch while I eat.
@Pablonmon
@Pablonmon 4 күн бұрын
I haven't heard the word 'warez' in a long time. Very appropriate for the video.
@christmas6666
@christmas6666 15 күн бұрын
New LGR video! joy!
@vest816
@vest816 14 күн бұрын
Return of the king! Welcome back, Clint, always love seeing these incredible retro PC...things...
@cjallday1130plays
@cjallday1130plays 16 күн бұрын
it's good to see something like the WeeCee coming into production and on sale. looking to get myself one of these, just need to find my PS/2 Keyboard and mouse, get a USB floppy and CD drive, and i'll be playing old school windows and DOS like no tomorrow
@TeaAndFloppyDisks
@TeaAndFloppyDisks 16 күн бұрын
Happy New Year! It's nice that new products are coming up for the retro enthusiasts, but I agree with your criticism of this one. The price point is hefty too, considering you still need additional hardware on top of all that...
@Mamiya645
@Mamiya645 16 күн бұрын
My dream item of this kind would be a 266 MMX with a pair of 12mb Voodoo 2s. Time to brainstorm.
@lordwiadro83
@lordwiadro83 9 күн бұрын
266 Mhz is not enough to run V2 SLI at their full potential. It's more like 500 MHz.
@Mamiya645
@Mamiya645 9 күн бұрын
@@lordwiadro83 Ah. I only had them with a terribly Compaq Presario iirc 5240, AMD K-6 of some sort. I miss the visuals I got through those boards, the Glide wrappers haven't satisfied me.
@tlniec
@tlniec 14 күн бұрын
You hit an amazing cross-section of my high school and early college gaming favorites here! Need For Speed, Doom, Quake, Duke 3D, Carmaggedon, old-school GTA, Tomb Raider, Fallout, and was that Terminal Velocity near the end? Just missing Worms and Counterstrike!
@HondaWagovan
@HondaWagovan 16 күн бұрын
I love your vintage PC in that Lian-li aluminum case. I love your dives into old vintage hardware.
@DanielBerzinskas
@DanielBerzinskas 4 күн бұрын
I can't believe after all that damage you went back to regular content in only a few months!
@adamw9764
@adamw9764 16 күн бұрын
Man I would LOVE this thing, but the price is a bit much for me atm. Fantastic video!
@Chatboy91
@Chatboy91 15 күн бұрын
As soon as you started discussing the internals of the DX model alarm bells starting ringing in my head "that sounds EXACTLY like the mini DOS computers TheRasteri has been making variants of for the past few years!" And sure enough, you mentioned the similarities moments later. It's a neat iteration, but considering the price they're charging it certainly seems like they could've taken some time to polish the I/O connections and layout
@Sonnell
@Sonnell 16 күн бұрын
Among these improvements, why not make it in a few classic PC case look? Just in mini size? Like the C64 mini. Would look awesome, with working LED-s as stuff :)
@D9Beats
@D9Beats 16 күн бұрын
Love seeing a good upload from you after all that happened last year. Hope all is well. Love your content
@superslammer
@superslammer 16 күн бұрын
If they could get that down to a more realistic price of like $150, it would be worth it for some people. But its current price is way too much for what it is.
@loz9324
@loz9324 16 күн бұрын
i saw 89 euro on the site and was like "ya im buying this" then realized thats not everything you need and its more like $400-500 lol
@volvo09
@volvo09 16 күн бұрын
I think the Vortex86 module is about 1/2 the price of the machine if I recall.
@wozzablog
@wozzablog 16 күн бұрын
Absolutely. I'm drowning in motherboards that need recapped and a couple of 3dfx cards i don't have anything to attach to rigt now. SOmething, anything, at about the £150 would be life changing
@vintagegamer87
@vintagegamer87 16 күн бұрын
Happy new year Clint! Thanks for another awesome tech video!
@vailpcs4040
@vailpcs4040 16 күн бұрын
I love the idea, but I just can't get over the price. I can pickup a Shuttle XPC with a low end AGP 3d card for under $100 with SATA / FDD support for native hardware / peripherals... Yes, I may have to replace a capacitor or battery, and yes- they are giant compared to this solution, but again, 4-5x cheaper and still widely available (no, you don't need a huge ATX box for native retro computing). In any case, I wish them best of luck and I look forward to seeing the ITX revision. The audience who want an all in one solution for this type of computing are almost certainly going to be able to tinker themselves or already run emulation, so it's neat, but I don't see the market being there to support it long term (which is probably why they are cross-linked to the warez sites).
@mirific87
@mirific87 15 күн бұрын
shuttle XPCs had absolute rotten power supplies inside them, replacing them with anything good is hard, especially if you have an Athlon which requires strong 5v line. Sure you can find flimsy modern ones to fit, but nothing reliable for strong 5v rail.
@3mate1
@3mate1 16 күн бұрын
I hope things get better for you this year, keep up the cool tech videos if you can
@TBustah
@TBustah 16 күн бұрын
Not styling it after an old PC was something of a missed opportunity. Sure, there are thousands of different case designs to choose from, but they were mostly pretty similar and they could pick and choose elements from a few different ones to give us something that was unmistakably ‘80s/‘90s.
@stevethepocket
@stevethepocket Күн бұрын
Imagine making it look like one of those old MIDI breakout boxes like Roland made; they were about the size of this thing.
@intel386DX
@intel386DX 16 күн бұрын
Love the aluminum shell 😊
@superstar64
@superstar64 16 күн бұрын
I wish retro projects like this didn't cost anywhere near this much, they'd be significantly more accessible for most people if they were. I'm sure a lot of the cost goes into making the chips that they run on, but in my personal experience something labeled "untested" on eBay has been cheaper in the long run. 86box is amazing for this reason because it's a free emulator that lets you customize a virtual system to what you need and have very little conflict despite it being emulation.
@M8Military
@M8Military 15 күн бұрын
Emulation can cause problems with legacy peripherals and input latency. A virtual machine is better
@jubuttib
@jubuttib 15 күн бұрын
I wish it as well, but the fact is that the system-on-module is the expensive part, and they don't make those themselves. The Vortex86DX modules range (based on layout, memory and such) anywhere from about 200 USD to 600+ USD on the storefronts where I've seen them, because the buyers are industrial types, not consumers. Pixel x86 allows you to order the device without the SOM if you have one or want to source elsewhere, and you get 249€ off from the price, that's basically where all the money is.
@WolfTheDog
@WolfTheDog 16 күн бұрын
Always great to see new LGR
@AlT-vt3gb
@AlT-vt3gb 16 күн бұрын
500 bucks for that?
@agentmith
@agentmith 16 күн бұрын
Explains why they’re still in stock, indie projects like this are always out of stock by the time I see reviews. It doesn’t have OpenGL or 3DFx too. Not sure what this offers over virtualization, tbh.
@Photo0021
@Photo0021 16 күн бұрын
You pay for the convenience and simplicity. It is niche yes, but you could say the same for many things that cost a lot of money. Most normal people aren't paying multiple-thousands for proper camera hardware for example.
@masterkamen371
@masterkamen371 16 күн бұрын
These projects always waste time on unnecessary features and thus price themselves way out of the market they supposedly compete in. Original, (reliable even) hardware is still not so expensive as to warrant a 450 EUR replacement. Well known hardware combinations are plug and play. If you want original hardware, just build a Socket 775 or AM2 rig. With current prices, you can build a full system for like $40. C-media PCI sound card, next to nothing on eBay. Very low end ATI PCI graphics card (very high end indeed for 90s games), next to nothing. It will also give you great 3D and 2D acceleration. Core 2 Duo is the best choice for Intel because of the power efficiency and the ability to lower power consumption (so that you can have a silent PC and use little power). For AM2, use whatever you can get your hands on for around $0. Sometimes the BIOS lets you disable the L1 and L2 cache, which will at most give you i586 performance. With some tweaking you can get Wing Commander to run at an appropriate speed. For Intel, check out Phil's Computer Lab, he's got detailed guides for achieving this.
@Nordlicht05
@Nordlicht05 16 күн бұрын
​​@@Photo0021300+ for wireless microphones for content creation. Nice audio is good😅 .And small numbers. Recently i was thinking of what it would cost if I made an RC car shell myself and price it realistically. A workhour would be about 150€ and if I say 10...... 😂 Make it yourself.
@WheezyShotta
@WheezyShotta 16 күн бұрын
@@Photo0021But this isn’t speciality equipment, it’s still a consumer product.
@Deathshead419
@Deathshead419 15 күн бұрын
Getting closer and closer to one of these projects recreating the Windows 95/DOS PC that I grew up with.
@ebridgewater
@ebridgewater 16 күн бұрын
As Clint showed, the Vortex86DX struggles with 3D games like UT (released in 1999) but I wonder if the Vortex86DX3 would fare better? (even if it still has to run games in software mode)?
@njspencer79
@njspencer79 15 күн бұрын
Based on my experience from the Rise mp6 this is based on the Cyrix cpus of the era were fast compared to the rise.
@R4Z0R-5H4RP
@R4Z0R-5H4RP 13 күн бұрын
Happy New Year mate. Hope you are well.
@mamons_2339
@mamons_2339 16 күн бұрын
Welcome back Mr. LGR.
@Junkboy888
@Junkboy888 16 күн бұрын
looks like a fun little setup. GL in the New Year
@RobertKliethermes
@RobertKliethermes 16 күн бұрын
What's that game at the 20:30 mark? It looks like Terminal Velocity, but different.
@LGR
@LGR 16 күн бұрын
Fury3!
@RobertKliethermes
@RobertKliethermes 16 күн бұрын
@@LGR Oh sweet! Thanks for the quick reply. I'm going to have to try that game out.
@LGR
@LGR 16 күн бұрын
Also worth checking out Hellbender and Terminal Velocity, all sort of within the same series :)
@RobertKliethermes
@RobertKliethermes 15 күн бұрын
@@LGR I have played Terminal Velocity, but I will definitely be checking out Fury3 and Hellbender. Thanks for the suggestions.
@Swenglish
@Swenglish 16 күн бұрын
What I'd like to see is a handheld version of this. Like, an "MSDOS GameBoy" sort of concept, with an autoexec game launcher list program. Although control setup might be tricky, with different games using different keyboard input. The buttons would have to be remappable to keys on a per-game basis somehow.
@DxDeksor
@DxDeksor 16 күн бұрын
Ms-dos deck ftw :D
@Espadasilenciosa
@Espadasilenciosa 16 күн бұрын
Probably, the most user-friendliest option would be running Retroarch + Dosbox Pure in a modern PC-Handheld (ideally with touchpad and touchscreen like Steam Deck).
@KonuralpBalcik
@KonuralpBalcik 16 күн бұрын
I think it is necessary to make pcie 3dfx modules for such devices. 8 Mb Vram with wifi and 3dfx together would be great.
@MeisjeAndMe
@MeisjeAndMe 16 күн бұрын
Loved it!👍👍😁❤️ Best wishes for this new year.🎉 Greetings from The Netherlands❤
@jorenmartijn
@jorenmartijn 16 күн бұрын
Welcome back!
@-INFERNUS-
@-INFERNUS- 14 күн бұрын
Happy New Year Clint! 🥂
@AndREDraut
@AndREDraut 16 күн бұрын
18:18 - what game is that ?
@hardeeharharrrr
@hardeeharharrrr 16 күн бұрын
Streets of SimCity he reviewed it recently
@AndREDraut
@AndREDraut 16 күн бұрын
@@hardeeharharrrr oh ok I see, thank you, never played that before
@Applecompuser
@Applecompuser 9 күн бұрын
I like the idea. between work and school at night, my bandwidth to tinker is limited. And so is my time.
@GoodPunk
@GoodPunk 16 күн бұрын
Great video... I have been waiting for someone to review these tiny PCs. They sound intriguing but I think I'm still going to wait just a bit for them to mature and maybe get a bit cheaper as well. ^^
@volvo09
@volvo09 16 күн бұрын
It would be cool if the board had a CF card interface so you could throw an IBM microdrive in it and have a miniature hard drive in your miniature pc 😊
@appaccount7203
@appaccount7203 16 күн бұрын
Sending all the love to Clint. Hope he is managing well after what happened. Thank you for finding the motivation to continue making awesome videos ❤️
@danieldorn2927
@danieldorn2927 16 күн бұрын
I would get one if it had the option to have a 3DFX graphics accelerator
@MarkSynthesis
@MarkSynthesis 16 күн бұрын
An obligatory "Terminal Velocity, Fuck yeah!" Regarding the Pixel, even at the high price point, this would be an easy purchase for me personally, except...the classic 3D accelerator trap. I'd love to use one as a MechWarrior 2 Titanium Trilogy box (running the 3D accelerated versions), but as you outlined that sounds unfeasible. Maybe the larger model (the tiny size is cute, but not really that much of a benefit) would eventually be able to serve in said role. Thanks for the review and Happy New Year, Clint!
@OhNoseNotAgainn
@OhNoseNotAgainn 16 күн бұрын
The price is outrageous though....
@IceCreamePudding
@IceCreamePudding 16 күн бұрын
Yeah, this is just paying for continence. However you may just end up inconveniencing yourself in the end. Between the price and the lack of upgradability it's a dull product. This also would take out all the fun of building a retro pc in the first place.
@TechGuyBeau
@TechGuyBeau 16 күн бұрын
look at the price of a modern mini PC vs full size. This is a pretty standard SFF/Mini Tax
@volvo09
@volvo09 16 күн бұрын
The cpu module is over $200 if I recall, so it's like 1/2 of the cost. It's certainly a niche product.
@stanguay169
@stanguay169 16 күн бұрын
In Euro.... I'll stay with my MiSTer and the oa486 core...
@marinustennapel2661
@marinustennapel2661 16 күн бұрын
€485... If you're gonna charge that price, at least make it €486 and pass it of as a joke. Missed opportunity.
@ChongMcBong
@ChongMcBong 16 күн бұрын
thanks Clint, those are cool :)
@86smoke
@86smoke 16 күн бұрын
Those Vortex CPUs are technically 486SX with the clocks cranked up. No wonder that 800 MHz feels like 300 MHz Pentium.
@lordwiadro83
@lordwiadro83 9 күн бұрын
Not true, because they both have a FPU, and support the 586 instruction set. So they are Pentium like.
@86smoke
@86smoke 9 күн бұрын
@lordwiadro83 well, that's what's I remembered from datasheet that I read back on a day. I doublechecked it and it seemes that there were more versions released. My bad.
@pem1200
@pem1200 16 күн бұрын
Nice to see you back!
@VGM_Oscillo
@VGM_Oscillo 16 күн бұрын
...around $500 is kind of a hard pill to swallow for this, I mean, it's pretty awesome, if I had that kind of money to throw around I'd probably grab it.
@vintageaviationuk
@vintageaviationuk 16 күн бұрын
Good to have you back Clint!
@hackerx7329
@hackerx7329 16 күн бұрын
I was interested for about 5 seconds until I heard the price. Then I heard the lack of IO and no 3D accelerator and no way to add one. Please. Somebody just give us a modern ATX form factor board with slots for ISA, PCI, AGP, and PCIE so no matter the exact retro era you can use the right cards to have hardware that works with compatible drivers. Major bonus points if you give us an option to adjust the clock speed while the machine is up and running
@charliemartin-k7m
@charliemartin-k7m 16 күн бұрын
I hope his channel is not going to turn into a review channel with over priced free products he gets.
@sarreqteryx
@sarreqteryx 16 күн бұрын
10:07 you (and they) could pop a hole on the bottom of the case, and mount the PC beeper on the bottom of the mobo.
@celebratelife865
@celebratelife865 16 күн бұрын
The WeeCee seems more of a fit for me. Thanks for throwing that in there!
@LGR
@LGR 16 күн бұрын
The DX is the same hardware :) Unfortunately the WeeCee is not something you can buy, but if you have the skills and resources you could build one for perhaps a bit less!
@JohnSagin-SimViDeLucis579
@JohnSagin-SimViDeLucis579 15 күн бұрын
Hehehehehe
@blue-dragon
@blue-dragon 12 күн бұрын
Nice to see you doing well :D BTW you could really use an IFixit kit :P
@damnablethief
@damnablethief 16 күн бұрын
I kind of want one. That era of gaming was my introduction to pc gaming. Diablo was my first western rpg lol my dad had a friend who had a bunch of old computers, then I was in scouts with a computer guy. Changed my life for the better.
@GameplayandTalk
@GameplayandTalk 14 күн бұрын
Looks like a cool set of devices! I could see myself investing in one just to downsize one of my retro builds.
@panpan1985
@panpan1985 16 күн бұрын
Welcome back Mr.LGR!!
@markjames8664
@markjames8664 15 күн бұрын
Based on experience with Raspberry Pi, running an OS on an SD card is iffy in terms of the lifespan of those cards. You could boot one of these from an external drive but that boosts the cost even more. It’s not hard to back up these cards but that’s still extra work.
@matthewheeke6240
@matthewheeke6240 15 күн бұрын
Now we just need a fpga of a voodoo card.
@curryking1
@curryking1 9 күн бұрын
300 or 400 or so for something that's about a high end pentium 4 performance to run basically anything from early 2000s and before I can get behind but something like this seems way too expensive imo
@bennyfactor
@bennyfactor 16 күн бұрын
probably a 2mm hex, 5/64th is .07825 decimal, x 25.4 is 1.984... which is close enough to 2 for me.
@3Dsjk
@3Dsjk 15 күн бұрын
My Wiha driver and hex bits from an R/C car company are labeled as both 2mm & 5/64.
@bennyfactor
@bennyfactor 15 күн бұрын
@@3Dsjk Huh neat! I know 3/4" is nearly exactly 19mm, which is helpful with lug nuts.
@Leirith
@Leirith 14 күн бұрын
Cool to see 3D Ultra Minigolf on screen there briefly. I would love to see some more coverage of that gem.
@Elduderino9097
@Elduderino9097 16 күн бұрын
I realize this is niche but does anyone remember the fps game Land of the Dead: Road to Fiddler’s Green? Man, I’d kill to be able to play that. Genuinely think it’s worth a remaster for modern systems but I know that’s silly thinking. I know it was also for Xbox I think too. Next to Goldeneye, my favorite game as a kid, even though 007 was a bit earlier
@JosiahGould
@JosiahGould 16 күн бұрын
I can confirm it was for the OG Xbox and was a great game, but nobody else played it!
@ShiggitayMediaProductions
@ShiggitayMediaProductions 15 күн бұрын
I spy a MicroCenter mug! Did you get it from the Charlotte store grand opening? Welcome back! I'm super happy you've not let the hurricane slow you down too much. LGR vids rock! Be well!
@LGR
@LGR 15 күн бұрын
Thank you, it’s good to be back in some capacity! And no I haven’t visited there yet but a viewer of mine went to their grand opening and got a mug for me
@ShiggitayMediaProductions
@ShiggitayMediaProductions 15 күн бұрын
@@LGR Ah cool. I work for the Cambridge, MA Microcenter so I have several of the mugs. They're quite nice.
@Etienne.6329
@Etienne.6329 16 күн бұрын
18:34 They are European based so you should have 2y warranty by default
@anonymouschicken20
@anonymouschicken20 16 күн бұрын
And a 14-day return policy with no questions asked.
@amshermansen
@amshermansen 16 күн бұрын
Only if you're within the EU. The warranty doesn't cover globally just because EU law states this. :)
@wybuchowyukomendant
@wybuchowyukomendant 16 күн бұрын
That`s true, guaranteed 2 years warranty for regular customers (not sure if 2y applies to electronics bought as a company, in poland theres 1y warranty for those).
@anonymouschicken20
@anonymouschicken20 16 күн бұрын
@@amshermansen True, I don't think other countries have that. But this company is EU based, so it could potentially hold internationally... if someone actually knows, please reply.
@amshermansen
@amshermansen 16 күн бұрын
It is entirely up to the seller, if they wish to provide any warranty for products exported outside of the EU, as well as any shipping costs involved in the process.
@obsidian....
@obsidian.... 16 күн бұрын
Glad to see that you're posting again 🙌🙌🙌
@Dorelaxen
@Dorelaxen 15 күн бұрын
For the price seems like a MiSTer Pi would be a better choice.
@noneed4me2n7
@noneed4me2n7 16 күн бұрын
Every time I see those Roland speakers on your desk I get twinge of regret in my heart as I took a similar set when I was in the military on training and some dumbass ran over some of our bags with a humvee. My speakers ended up victims of friendly fire.
@Nordlicht05
@Nordlicht05 16 күн бұрын
Would like to have something in this range. But maybe a bit to pricey for me.
@smcurro
@smcurro 15 күн бұрын
It'd be amazing to see a flavor of this idea as a brand new ATX or micro ATX motherboard with a few PCI, ISA and AGP if possible - maybe with the biggest compromise being soldered RAM only. Could add a 12VDC to -5VDC supply onto the board for ISA, and use the 24 pin ATX power connector. I hope the Mini ITX boards evolve into this someday!
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