Pixelated's two favorite phrases, "sally-out" and "fiery balls". The day fiery balls do a sally-out will truly be his greatest commentary!
@charliesmith42894 жыл бұрын
Isnt it fiery balls of justice
@lutherabel26184 жыл бұрын
@@charliesmith4289that's what their full, official name is, yes. Fiery balls in shorthand.
@antoinepallascio39444 жыл бұрын
Luther Abel imagin 😂👍
@wizdumb_and_valor4 жыл бұрын
you deserve them likes for that comment
@joewalkerskateboarding4 жыл бұрын
I can just hear it now... "My fiery balls have sallied out into the rear of the enemy!!"
@FlaccidToenail4 жыл бұрын
The thing that makes the stacking rule hard is exactly what we see at 1:06:16, its two different players controlling the pikes and the skirmishers, it requires a lot of communication and teamwork to push in those pikes and pull out the skirmishers at the same time to avoid stacking, it sounds as easy as just saying "Hey man pull out those skirmishers by the river, im moving in my pikes" but when your macro-ing entire armies in a siege battle like this and needing to pay attention to the micro work with flanks, arty, cav charges, and both players on the same team fighting in the same area, coordination with attacks becomes very confusing and can fluster many players. Im all for the No Stacking rule but I would also be very lenient on it and take it case by case because as we see here, its hard to coordinates pushing in pikes and pulling out troops especially if the skirmish unit as we see here is being played by a teammate.
@nicholasschneidermadsen3703 жыл бұрын
This is solved easily by a simple pause and the opposite team writing: " Hey man, mind moving the skirm?" ^^
@jacobspencer52952 жыл бұрын
I agree with no stacking and pausing it to tell the other team but both of you do seem to agree it's on a case by case situation on where, when and how.
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@samrussell22444 жыл бұрын
All of these Rome II videos have been getting me back into playing it lately. Very good content, thank you Apollo.
@jakedcaccia2554 жыл бұрын
When you’re down to a couple units making your last stand defences, you reinforce your pikes with whatever you have left to stop your troops breaking, i personally feel that everyone should be allowed to reinforce their pike units as long as you stick to 2 max pikes
@SHELLYBOY8374 жыл бұрын
Pike stacking was banned in that game mate
@kostakatsoulis29224 жыл бұрын
Sounds good to me, especially if you added in the thing that Apollo said about being allowed to do it if the pikes aren't deployed.
@marvalking05774 жыл бұрын
I know I was saying I agree with it and don't think yall should allow it in the tournament
@Alexander-fl7ii4 жыл бұрын
If you can't stack pikes because realistically its hard to fit units inside other units, then stacking shouldn't be allowed for any heavy unit. Its going to be hard to enforce that during last stands. The main strategy is to stack troops in the final choke points. If you have two depleted units and you stick them on top of each other, does that count as stacking? how far apart do they need to be? its going to get difficult to enforce rules like this in the middle of gameplay while everyone is zoomed out to see the battlefield, and are quickly trying to move and set up units. Its seems like an unnecessarily complicated rule to me.
@marvalking05774 жыл бұрын
True I get dat
@FateIsInexorable1244 жыл бұрын
I would say don't implement the stacking rule. It's hard with everything going on to guarantee there is absolutely no stacking. It'll only lead to arguments between players. It's in the game, let it go. Players keep archers in reserve anyway. If they see the stacking they can use archers or artillery for mass effect. IMO.
@SpineBreezer4 жыл бұрын
Plus i find it kind of boring to watch. At the most action packed moment of the battle instead of focusing on tactics and fighting you gotta focus whether pikes are stacked or not. Also u can change archer rules like 1 more archer unit allowed or something else.
@williamhammann31704 жыл бұрын
I agree with that. Maybe just say no heavy infantry mixed right in the pike unit because that’ll actually prevent archers from getting hits. With artillery obviously it’s a juicy target but that’s why I’d want it to be a really loose rule and only really for a unit of heavy infantry mostly in a pike unit.
@viraatkumar89804 жыл бұрын
but imagine if in a last stand scenario u got pike stacking happening and u guys dont have the ammo to deal with the stacking even tho u miight have the numbers...it can be extremely frustrating in that case if people in the tournament decide to do it and so i think troop stacking in general should just be banned...
@dakotadickerson934 жыл бұрын
Love you apollo! Glad to have some good entertainment during quarantine.
@njjs4474 жыл бұрын
Historically different unit types were stacked together from time to time
@OnlyKharnage4 жыл бұрын
Like the Spanish Tercio
@Naraku-no-Hana-WE4 жыл бұрын
Yes but both of those came way, way after this time period. Completely different fighting style, equipment, and overall battle situations from this era. Neither Spain nor Switzerland even existed back then.
@Locedamius4 жыл бұрын
I think the stacking rule is BS. For one, as this video shows, it is hard to enforce if so many units of multiple players are mixed in the frontline. Secondly, reinforcing pike units with other infantry to support them at close range was done historically. It's one of the reasons why the Macedonian army was so deadly. So why should the players not be allowed to use their soldiers the same way?
@victorgibelli68714 жыл бұрын
Infantry were never put directly in the pike phalanx as it would have disrupted the formation, instead the hypaspist units would have been placed on the flanks of the pike to keep it from getting surrounded. The only time something like what you mentioned was attempted occurred when the Aetolin League had an alternation line of pike segments and thureos, but they were never directly inside the other.
@uneducatedisnotstupidlol15044 жыл бұрын
@@victorgibelli6871 the Spanish had Pike squares with pikes swordsman and aquabasers so I wouldn't doubt that they would have swords inside the formation maybe not in front but standing behind.
@wombat25524 жыл бұрын
Victor is correct, but it becomes quite a hassel, and you need to be able to pay attention to many things at once, and then you add in having to worry about stacking and it can become too much.
@jeao71154 жыл бұрын
Infantry was never used within the phalanx, it compromises the wall created and instead was used on the flanks or as supporting units to support the pikes
@maladroit53764 жыл бұрын
Stacking pikes and swords is going go be difficult to stop in practice, especially if you have damaged units trying to hold a chokepoint. Limit pikes to 2 per army might be best compromise ?
@tjpickering93304 жыл бұрын
I've come up with a new version of rock, paper, scissors called cavalry, archers, pikemen. Cavalry beats archers, archers beat pikemen, and pikemen beat cavalry.
@Jinisinsane4 жыл бұрын
Wow so revolutionary, you should totally work for CA.
@spoonrust-wr4 жыл бұрын
I like
@thalmoragent93444 жыл бұрын
tj pickering Impressive!
@levydondoyano77154 жыл бұрын
What about swords and spears
@arlissmith24464 жыл бұрын
The wild cards?
@djkapalofpkf75344 жыл бұрын
Am so happy when you upload a new Rome 2 siege battle..the game aged so well and you make it even better with your commentary..best thing during quarantine
@16merrick4 жыл бұрын
The stacking rule is really dumb. Stacking is fine. For fairness sake though, units that can do shield wall, shield screen, or testudo should not be allowed to stack with pikes.
@iceintheair4 жыл бұрын
wtf
@nathanhull83024 жыл бұрын
16merrick basically all infantry can do shield, spear, or hoplite wall. So yeah you pretty much just justified the stacking rule. I suppose skirmishers would still stack but yeah the main problem is infantry
@SHELLYBOY8374 жыл бұрын
Hello all I was the selucid player that was attacking it was a good battle
@clementcartry69294 жыл бұрын
The arty plays were cool to watch. Did you see the general flank coming?
@SHELLYBOY8374 жыл бұрын
@@clementcartry6929 not till to late mate unfortunately had half ammo left
@rickrussell83824 жыл бұрын
That was a epic fight around the bridge and in the water, I just started playing Rome 2 this past November. Learning a lot from these games Thanks
@annormal14144 жыл бұрын
Well, in my opinion they are already balanced by the "max-two-pikes" rule. If u think they are still op it would be easier just to ban them from challenges ( not good idea)
@kirito_v43384 жыл бұрын
Me:Locked at home Appolo:Seige Tournaments is starting .... Me:Pheew!! I can enjoy your vids every day.Thanks Appolo.
@jaco69714 жыл бұрын
About that rule, here's my thought: Every single game will have exploits, and it's up to the players to be creative and find these and use these against opponents (the Olofmeister boost from csgo comes to mind here). Don't punish players for making certain decisions that might put them at a competitive advantage, it's the responsibility of devs to sort these things out. Players will have to be creative to find new ways to push through pikeformations and use archers/pila differently. Edit, maybe teams/players can ban civs or units pre-game?
@solowingpixy81904 жыл бұрын
Meshing troops / Pike stacking isn't an exploit. Some ppl might not like it but its not an exploit and makes no sense why it would be allowed on every other unit in the game.
@billyblazes11354 жыл бұрын
i agree that pike stacking's fine but i disagree with your argument why. push throughs are an exploit and it's considered blatant cheating
@gastonjaillet95124 жыл бұрын
@@billyblazes1135 I agree. Using exploits just because everyone can is a problem. I try to never use exploits, even if it gives me a disadvantage in battle. It's just more realistic and I feel ashamed when I use exploits
@burakaskan94834 жыл бұрын
Right-clicking a unit on top of another unit that destroys the cycle of the balance of the game "creative". They become practically arrow immune. Their only counter.
@midshipman86544 жыл бұрын
To be fair Apollo, in Spanish tertios in the 16th/17th centuries, the Spanish wold have swordmen inside the pike formation for the very same reason of making them extremely hard to break. So at least the exploit in a way is a historical one!
@PixelatedApollo14 жыл бұрын
But this is a different era
@midshipman86544 жыл бұрын
Pixelated Apollo of course, but at least it shows the tactic has some theoretical merit. I’m not arguing for keeping it in for gameplay or context reasons, just observing some parallels irl.
@matcrag9164 жыл бұрын
I don't think the "interdiction to stack pikes and swordsmen rule" is a good idea. This rule is going to bring to much problems I think. Like for exemple if your pikemen are in a fight you can't even charge your swordsmen to fight because they could stack with the pikemen and protect them from arrows. I really think it's going to bring a lot of problems in game to make this rule respected, of courses some rules are needed to balance things, but in my opinion the less rules there is, the better, and I think this rule would be to much. And for the historical part, pikes are too weak to archers in the game compared to real life. Pikemen were not that weak, in real life only a little part of the arrows were passing throught the wall the pikes were forming around pikemen, plus pikemen had shields (even if they were not big shields). Also bows and arrows of this time period were not that good, they weren't longbows or anything, they weren't going through leather armor like a knife through butter, a straight hit on a good spot was needed if you really wanted to seriously injured the person wearing the leather armor. In this battle, I found this rule more annoying than "balancing" (don't get me wrong, I loved this battle !). I think too much rules and this rule in particular encroaches too much on the game and the tactics. But again, this is just my opinion. I hope my english is not too bad and I hope what I say is understandable, if not, I am really sorry.
@lucasbolda71334 жыл бұрын
I agree with this 100%
@WollongongWacko4 жыл бұрын
I agree
@bonqueque23154 жыл бұрын
I understand what you’re saying but you also have to think about the game it self. This game is very old and still needs a lot of work. The “stacking problem” didn’t come up when game came out. The problem was only recently addressed 2-3 years ago. There are still many problems that need to be addressed
@caesarvi18034 жыл бұрын
I agree
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@toatsmcgoats7274 жыл бұрын
i don't feel like making a rule to ban pike men stacking will be good. someone might accidentally stack units when they are trying to make another maneuver ending in a faulty penalty on that team.
@gizscocktailsandgames77154 жыл бұрын
i always thought the sword and pike stack was part of the game i have been doing that since i first started playing
@redmanrode83494 жыл бұрын
Same here, it seemed like such an intuitive thing that calling it an exploit felt off, even if effectively speaking, it di be kinda broken
@burakaskan94834 жыл бұрын
Christ man its such a lowlife move. From just right-clicking another unit on top of another unit you make a near-unstoppable unstoppable kill fest. God forbid you don't have any angle on the stacked units then ur forced to use full archer ammo just to take care of the stacked unit. If they place another unit on top for another stack then you can just call it game.
@1stva1594 жыл бұрын
I always found it so easy to defend, I'm not sure why anyone would need to cheat. That said, part of the strength of pikeman was blocking arrows with the pikes.
@Naraku-no-Hana-WE4 жыл бұрын
This. The game doesn't accurately represent the difficulty of hitting pikemen with arrows. But tbf it's a conscious decision by CA for balance purposes.
@jayd80914 жыл бұрын
Gaugamela. The battle you're thinking about was Gaugamela where Alexander defeated Darius for the second time. But there were skirmishers in front of and amongst the sarissa pike phalanxes I thought, to counter the chariots by throwing stones, spears and shooting arrows at the chariots and their horses?
@heygus204 жыл бұрын
Loving the Rome 2 content, but honestly all of your videos are dope. Shoutout as well to the Napoleon and LOTR videos! And I actually really like when you play new games as well. Yeah I like it all. Subbed. Edit: Also an advocate for no cheese. Don't sword stack on pikes.
@gercasey47664 жыл бұрын
Here's a problem with the no stacking pike rule say if you had a pike unit holding the street and you saw archers out of position they were near your pikes according with the rules you wouldn't be able to rush up infantry to kill the archers. I hope the tournament goes well.
@thenegasus65424 жыл бұрын
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@levibogee25354 жыл бұрын
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@theduckbandit39804 жыл бұрын
As a player I think you could modify the no stacking rule, so that if the pike unit is engaged in melee then you should be able to stack but if its just sitting there then you should not be able to stack
@mythic74244 жыл бұрын
stopping stacking is hard and hasnt been to much of a problem but i thing just try not do it when holding a point but if they are in a moshpit then there is nothing you can do
@daylanthegreay4 жыл бұрын
Pretty hard to determine. What if half the pike unit is dead? Can you stack then? Too hard to make a rule on that I think. You do what you have to to win. Dont worry about realistic. It's a game
@rhysdbooth4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the hard work Apollo, I think we all appreciate it very much.
@crose14662 жыл бұрын
“Can’t fit swordsmen in a group of pikemen.” Spanish Tercio: Am I a joke to you?
@jay-arsimbaco17454 жыл бұрын
I been Waiting for this! Thankyouuuuuuu Keep Safe Apollo!
@solowingpixy81904 жыл бұрын
Wheres the Link to CA comments regarding Pike stacking? My issue is that its only an exploit when it relates to Pikes but not any other unit. Stacking Units works much better with Sacred Band, Royal Spartans Ect.
@martinmcdonnell85834 жыл бұрын
2 ways to look at it; 1 - it's an exploit so no 2 - cloud they do it in real life? But the that messes the push through up because it's an exploit, BUT soldiers COULD push through back in the day
@heinzklaus76354 жыл бұрын
48:00 what just happend to that guy on the Right 😂
@jacobspencer52952 жыл бұрын
I saw the questionable stack at the hr mark, i think it was a team miscommunication and awareness issue and I think PA was right about it being quickly fixed. The whole battle was even and the tqctics were thoughtful and expedient. Good coverage PA
@hayueshayu4 жыл бұрын
About the pikes... Game's mecanics, Like it or not exploiting this type of things is what makes good players stand out. All strats in Total war are kind of based on bugs and unit placement - knowing where and when is best. So i think Max X pikes and play like gentelman :)
@Wickwok3 жыл бұрын
This is the only game I play anymore. I love the game and these videos. Every time I sally out I think of Apollo saying “EPIC. CAV. SALLY. OUT” Love it!!!!
@madcow13264 жыл бұрын
What if you did it so units with a curtain shield value or maybe it is only infantry that can't stack. The first thing will probably be a bit complicated in though
@clayfirenza71124 жыл бұрын
As long as it's max 2 pikes you should be able to reinforce the pikes with swords!
@tannerdenny54304 жыл бұрын
You need to add a rule that makes it so that each player can only have 1 Tortoise. 16 breaches is absurd.
@RichyRich26074 жыл бұрын
so true lol, also looks really stupid seeing all these tortoises
@SHELLYBOY8374 жыл бұрын
1 tortoise ? What happens when the enemy artillery destroys it? That suggestion is crap
@colbycoolby15924 жыл бұрын
Have to agree with Craig. If you do that might as well ban tortoises outright or, not.
@RichyRich26074 жыл бұрын
@@SHELLYBOY837 You have siege towers, artillery yourself, rams and ladders.. you are pretending like there is no other way to get behind walls without tortoise. Having that many makes it not even worth to destroy at least one. They had so many breaches, the attackers didn't even used them all lol
@clementcartry69294 жыл бұрын
Too many breaches can work against you, as we saw with the Pergamon player rushing out on the attackers.
@elbeto1912914 жыл бұрын
What a defense! They held their ground when they had to, were aggressive when needed and dealt a hevy blow at the end (Tylis' general taking out the enemy artillery). That won them the game IMO
@elishirazi24034 жыл бұрын
actually the thing about the pikes, historically some pple actually did that, just for the sake of close quarter engagements so if by any chance anyone was able to get pass the pikes they`d meet the swordsmen in combat protecting the pikes
@dxcfgvbhjnkmdtrfygtvjbhk7134 жыл бұрын
I say don’t add the stacking rule. It can be hard not to stack in certain situations, like when you have infantry fighting and you send pikes in to reinforce them. Additionally, any infantry units used to protect pikes through stacking will be unable to go and do something else, so instead of getting the full value of a sword unit you’re just getting anti-arrow protection for a pike unit. This trade off means that stacking on pikes isn’t that powerful. A better move would be to stack hoplites on pikes rather than swordsmen on pikes, as hoplites give better protection from arrows and aren’t that good for much else. However, they can make juicy artillery targets and the more you stack units the less streets you can defend and the fewer free reserves you’ll have.
@dxcfgvbhjnkmdtrfygtvjbhk7134 жыл бұрын
Just to add one more thing: hoplites in Rome 2 are horrendously underpowered. Stacking them with pikes brings them up to a level where they’re actually useful.
@juliusromanick23634 жыл бұрын
Hey, that’s me as Massilia
@gubby5364 жыл бұрын
If both teams are doing the pike stacking, what’s the problem with it?
@PixelatedApollo14 жыл бұрын
The problem is that the attackers have a limited time to attack
@gubby5364 жыл бұрын
Pixelated Apollo ah. Well there’s nothing a few artillery rocks can’t clear up. 😅
@kase31764 жыл бұрын
Spanish pyke square had swordsmen in them.
@99IronDuke4 жыл бұрын
No stacking on pikes seems most historical and fairest way to go. I also think no deployables and only two Tortoises per faction.
@randomzilla73104 жыл бұрын
Although I appreciate the fact that it may be hard to referee, I think that in a historical narrative and strategy game like this, realism is very important. You should ban stacking swordsman on pikes- especially if the developers call it an exploit. It will make the tournament more enjoyable in the long run. P.S: if you're reading this, could you possibly like it so Apollo sees it? I'd like him to hear my opinion, but it's fine if you don't (:
@sonicfear44724 жыл бұрын
The enforcement is going to be a nightmare if you decide to implement a No Stacking rule. That said as long as the number of Pikemen units is limited, so as to avoid stacking saturation across the board. Just my two coppers worth of insight.
@darrenmceneaney4744 жыл бұрын
I would err on the side of allowing the stacking and increasing archer cap. What does and doesn't count as stacking might become too fine a line and lead to arguments. And the last thing you need in a large siege is to be checking your pikemen every few moments to make sure teammates haven't gone near them.
@pizzatizza4 жыл бұрын
Where is the tournament, like is there a website? @Apollo
@kennethlevy9834 жыл бұрын
i think in the choas of a battle it will get down to semantics and judgement calls if you do not allow stacking. It should be agreed upon that it should not be utilized as a tactic but no repercussions should come from it. Make it known not to do it but have it more as a silent rule than ground rule.
@TheSmallsGaming4 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure if anyone has brought up this point but I feel like it’s valid. I feel like the no stack rule is fair. However, there are certain situations in games that it accidentally happens. I’ve seen people breaching walls and pushing through with units, and when they want to ensure they can win, they move in pikes behind the units and somewhat push in and end up stacking. I’ve seen it in game AND watching your videos. It’s a good tactic, however, I could see that being a problem in terms of enforcing that rule.
@vikingdoomer864 жыл бұрын
That was one helluva fun battle! I cant wait to do it again soon. The attackers were tough but we held and with a bit of grace from the gods we made it happen. GG!
@michaeledwards96304 жыл бұрын
I think the pikeman/sword combo i think should be allowed. From what ive seen the sword units dont block that much damage from archer units furthermore that would stop players from attacking through pike units as well. At least how i understand the rule in a choke point situation the pike unit would have to completely die before sending another unit in since technically if the support unit goes in early than it could be blocking skirmish damage to pike units.
@leopantig63604 жыл бұрын
Finally!!! Another epic Total War: Rome 2 siege battle. Been waiting for this for some time.
@gamingengine94994 жыл бұрын
Finally i thought of going through KZbin and guess what Apollo has posted an epic video and I’m not that late time to watch !
@robinbe6154 жыл бұрын
it's sad to see how the walls are useless in this total war :(
@Naraku-no-Hana-WE4 жыл бұрын
Walls are far from useless, but it depends on what faction is defending. For instance hoplite heavy factions will prefer to defend the streets. Defenders can choose to defend the walls with armored swordsmen, or use cheap throwaway troops that can hold enemies on the walls for your missiles to shred them, or wait down in the streets but risk letting the attacking troops rain missiles down from the walls. There are plenty of siege battles where the majority of damage is done up on and around the walls.
@jaketaylor39014 жыл бұрын
Is desert Rome allowed in the tournament?? This tournament is about to be awesome, and most of us could use good content now more than ever. Can’t wait!
@1stva1594 жыл бұрын
The siege battles are stunning, but to determine the best generals, battles on the open plain would be far superior.
@PixelatedApollo14 жыл бұрын
Negative.
@1stva1594 жыл бұрын
I must be out of competitive strategy gaming too long then. Doesn't seem like a lot of tactical options. Just a lot of choke points. Not much flanking, enfilade missile attacks, double envelopments, multiple artillery angles of fire.
@tsepzz47424 жыл бұрын
Hey so i am going to buy total war rome 2 :Spartan a edition (Wrath of Spartan, Daughters of Mars, Greek States). But i recently found that i can buy the Total War:Attila (Rise of Byzantium). Which one should i choose?
@maringus4 жыл бұрын
Apollo I want to ask you a question,do you play with large armies or not and with what funds do you play?If you can tell me I will be so happy because I am a new player in the total war and I need your help.
@anjalisalvi88884 жыл бұрын
My parents : don't you have anything to do than playing games (Apollo's uploads video ) Me: 😈 yes then do
@piyushjaiswal2804 жыл бұрын
Same here 😁😁
@1stva1594 жыл бұрын
Which ESport entity is helping out with this, Apollo. I have an aquaintance involved in collegiate tourneys.
@nogodsnomasters76694 жыл бұрын
My 2 cents is that limiting 2 pike units is enough, there counter is skirmishes which the normal limit is 4 which should even things out. Also you find in hard to break a pike/swordsman bring your own pikes you still have a say in who you play!
@noobeclus83114 жыл бұрын
I need snacks this battle is gonna he lit
@vosemgarwatchman56504 жыл бұрын
I think archers and other skirmisher units that have no shields should be allowed to stack with pikemen as they would still be easy to kill by archer fire but still screen the pikemen from incoming projectiles by just a little bit.
@eduardgabyrllmiraflor18744 жыл бұрын
Pixelated May I ask if my specs can handle Rome 2? 4GB RAM IC i-5-8250U up to 3.4GHz. Thanks bro.
@inglorious93024 жыл бұрын
I’ve been seeing this a lot more lately and I was think of getting their game on my laptop. Any advice, I have played before just not in years, so I’m very very sloppy
@aaronluisdelacruz42124 жыл бұрын
i'd say i'm fine with stacking, especially during the climax of the battle where both sides are heated and would sometimes forgets the rules of the game.
@Naraku-no-Hana-WE4 жыл бұрын
Oh man the attackers did so much right until the final stand. They just got tunnel visioned into that middle street and gave up the flanks. That said brilliant defensive play, they were so close to collapsing in key points so many times and just always managed to get reinforcements where they were needed or get out in time.
@vikingstormo48124 жыл бұрын
Many factors lean either for or against. My opinion is do it as a case by case basis. Such as not all factions are made equal. EX. Barbarians vs Roman vs Kush vs Greek faction. If barbarians are defending they want extra protection and pikes will be vital to there defence. If they are attacking and Sparta is defending they do not want to face a tough enemy that will be made even harder to defeat. I say look at the factions and decide which can use the pike cheat and which can not, or only allow defending factions to use it or only attacking factions can use it
@---js9qz4 жыл бұрын
I feel like it would get much more boring if stacking is allowed. Only positive is that as long as the rear is attacked no matter how many stacks there are, it'll cause morale debuff. On the other hand trying to enforce it in every game would be a hassle especially in moshpit fights. You could try to go for 5 Archer stacking allowed rule, or 4 Archer + 1 skirmisher stacking allowed. Best results if you can test those to see if it's too op first though.
@davedudeip4 жыл бұрын
Personally i dont mind the stacking, ive watched a lot of your videos where defenders stack there units and still lost. Maybe limit the pikes, so if units do stack, its only 2-3 units of pikes? Anyways, keep up the videos bud, i love to watch them!
@lucienmillman27004 жыл бұрын
personally I think that we should allow the stack pikes because otherwise the pikemen aren't going to be effective at all purely because the enemy will save their ammo until the last just to focus down the pikes
@AegonTheUnlikely4 жыл бұрын
Awesome battle, I couldn’t help but notice though the quality or resolution looks slightly lower than normally even though I have the video set at 1080p60 like I usually do
@LaneS-gq8dd2 жыл бұрын
i don't think I will ever get bored of these
@muki20244 жыл бұрын
Do you use mods and which? Im planning to add some. I have to mention my potato pc may not handle them 😥
@arturoelosudietz70864 жыл бұрын
Maybe very light or light slinger/archers/skirmishers shouldn't be consider staking. Because the problem as u say in the video is when they use their swordmen, usually with big shields... But an unit with no shield isn't protecting the pikemen. Just more cannon meat...
@gabrielsandstrom28344 жыл бұрын
The stacking rule seems a bit pedantic precisely because of what happened at 1:06:35-ish when Pontus advanced his pikes forward.
@tomo-gq2tq4 жыл бұрын
TW should try giving pikes a unit attachment ability, click on a unit for the pikes to stand right behind and use the long pikes to reach the front and support the fighting for limited time.
@anthonykrecic25364 жыл бұрын
Honestly I love that stacking exploit because when I'm playing as Rome. If the enemy has archers and there firing on my archers, I'll put my archers in my legionary's and they'll be fine:)
@Naraku-no-Hana-WE4 жыл бұрын
Archers and Legionaries are allowed to stack. The rule only applies to stacking with pikemen, to protect pikes from missile fire.
@royalathenian21874 жыл бұрын
Would pikes in formation moving up to a line of troops fighting be stacking?
@nathanhull83024 жыл бұрын
Stacking rule is dumb for two reasons. One is that often a unit from another player will stack on them so it’s difficult to control the stacking without constant communication between teammates about such a small thing. Second, in reality you could put infantry in pikes. I’m sure in history they’ve gotten some infantry to mix in with pikes which would be extremely effective at close range combat because the infantry can engage while pikes are there to support and do all the killing, or pikes can fight while having regular infantry to protect them if enemy swordsmen ever get passed the pikes and try to fight hand to hand. It all makes sense
@flaminfury04204 жыл бұрын
The “push through” should be illegal, however putting swordsmen in front of the pikemen should be legal at least from a viewers POV because at least from the majority of the battles I’ve seen that “mechanic” can play a major role in the battle and I think removing that would not be right. Simply because the game devs have said its an exploit, that doesn’t mean its not a significant part of many battle tactics in game. And that’s not to mention arguments among players and all the other smaller issues that come with a rule like this.
@Johnlilly2524 жыл бұрын
Should use the mod that gives the factions that aren’t strong in the base game be able to be as good as the others
@SkiourosTimmy4 жыл бұрын
I think it is really hard to prevent troop stacking from happening. Just imagine a pike unit is trying to hold a choke point and is about to get surrounded due to gaps, naturally you would send in reinforcements to try and counter that, which would by this logic mean stacking and therefore not allowed just because it is a pike unit. A deliberate placement of the pike unit inside a regular unit while both being idle is the real problem I think the rule is meant for and I get that, thats really unsporty. But then again you can just place stakes in a choke point and put the pikes or any other unit for that matter inside the stakes and it will have the same or even greater effect of deflecting missiles, so one might as well take a look at that. Also, historically speaking there were many occasions in which Macedonian phalanx formations were mixed with lighter infantary, Pyrrhus did just that against the Romans.
@waldorf8424 жыл бұрын
Yo Apollo, will you play mount and blade 2: bannerlord when it comes out?
@cRasiro4 жыл бұрын
Not technically exploiting when they allow it, if they don't want it they wouldn't add it and would fix it wouldn't they? If you really want make it so you can only stack 1 unit with pikes but they must be charging into a unit but just absorbing arrows.
@nocontent49084 жыл бұрын
Time to get some 4K content, Apollo. So much detail in this game.
@anjalisalvi88884 жыл бұрын
At last Apollo what took u so long To relive us from boredom amidst the china virus.pls upload more Rome and medival battles. Your videos are entertaining 😉
@gastonjaillet95124 жыл бұрын
Isn't there a mod to prevent stacking ? It's currently very difficult to avoid. But with a mod it would be easier
@seeyagaming65114 жыл бұрын
What's this game name on steam? Total War: Rome 2 Emperor edition?
@patmar65354 жыл бұрын
no stacking its more fun as a viewer because its more historical, it also make the game flow better, because if they are stacked then the end game will be full of powerful troops and it wont be a good old down to the wire ending.
@madmixbreed4 жыл бұрын
How about not allowing stavking on pikes, but you increase the Max amount of Pike units to like 3-4?
@rafaelfarelo774 жыл бұрын
It's not buggy. There were always this type of strategy were shield infantry would make a massive wall and get pykes behind them for a defensive and offensive warfare. You could easilly defend from archers while killing any infantry or chavalry charging at you while you wait for you own horses to flank the enemy. So, it's no bug, it's a "exploit" for those who are most clever, because at the end of it, cleverness wins wars.
@lemursteaks4 жыл бұрын
If you want to mod the game, and you have any interest in a more accurate experience, I could not recommend Divide et Imperia enough
@Labis-uk9ne4 жыл бұрын
Well if you play a friendly match rules don't matter but in a competitive tournament rules should be respected. No exploits!
@daylanthegreay4 жыл бұрын
Plus a big juicy pike stack is great for artillery