Street Fighter - ADG Episode 257

[@JimPlaysGames]

What a review, but remember there are many youtubers like you all over the internet.

[@mikemayberry7121]

That was a really good episode. Full of well researched facts and jokes that were actually funny. Nice work!👍

[@JH-pe3ro]

This was the version of Street Fighter I played as a kid with my brother, circa 1991 right as SF2 hype took hold. It was the Hi-Tech Expressions release, in the bargain bin at CompUSA and we picked it up and marveled at the back of the box screenshots which looked just like the arcade. Then we got home and started playing it and... with a lot of effort we were able to make it near to the end but never finished it, because we were never able to make the specials trigger properly. (And we suspected that maybe the graphics on Tandy looked better, but that was our ignorance creating wishful thinking.)

[@TheMoogleMaster]

The graphics make it look like a shareware game, like something you would find on Shovelware Diggers.

[@simone2059]

The graphics at least are pleasant to look even nowadays =)

[@spartonberry]

I do remember that Street Fighter II was so big when it came out that some asked "was there ever a Street Fighter 1?" But as to the DOS version skipped, are you SURE you didn't unlock some sort of secret Hyper Turbo mode? :D (no, upgraded versions was one of the things the second game introduced, whether or not that was a good thing.)

[@Pixelmusement]

+spartonberry All the upgrades to SF2 were a response to its extreme popularity contrasted with the complaints it got. People wanted to play the boss characters, so there was a Championship Edition. People wanted the game to go faster, so then came Turbo. The popularity continued but the game was aging in the arcades, so rather than release a whole new game which would require operators to buy new hardware, they simply updated the original with new characters for Super, then added Turbo to that later on, with Super Street Fighter II Turbo becoming the definitive edition of the game, and ALL of that was in the span of just three years! Street Fighter Alpha would be the next game in the series, followed closely by Street Fighter III which itself also had plenty of updates, not getting a console port until the third update, "Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike". :B

[@Zontar82]

sf 2 outclassed the first one so much, that so many people back then didn't even know how sf 1 was. as in , how it literally looked like

[@Bembel81]

Back in the day I even doubted that a Streetfighter 1 exists.

[@Zontar82]

@@Bembel81 yeah me and my friends too. at some point we just thought it was like sf2 but with less characters

[@KomradeMikhail]

GamePort splitter adapter for two joysticks to get Ken Player 2 to work ?...

[@Pixelmusement]

+KomradeMikhail That'd be a really weird requirement if two-player mode could only be started by using a second joystick, especially given the complete absence of anything to do with two player mode in the manual. I'll give it a try later tonight though and will post some additional info the in the video description if anything comes up. :B

[@tasospodcast8832]

Now you should really do "Body Blows" for the PC!

[@Zontar82]

it was born on Amiga though

[@tasospodcast8832]

@@Zontar82 True, but for some time it was the only decent beat 'em up on the PC! :)

[@Alianger]

IK+ was the best vs fighting game pre-SF2. Don't think it got ported to DOS though.

[@bluekewne]

You can play this in the Street Fighter Collection for modern consoles/Steam (along with 2/Third Strike/etc) - but I don't know why you'd want to aside from curiosity :P

[@Yusuke_Denton]

I didn't know this was on PC. I only remember the arcade game, which for some reason was sitting in a local Burger King for years, even after SF2 was old news.

[@AmyraCarter]

Yeah, ick. I've played Street Fighter in the arcades with those velocity-sensitive buttons. I can count on one hand the number of times I demanded a refund because of a faulty game due to lack of maintenance, and this game was one of them. I even threatened to bust the coin doors open over it because it was so fuckawful... As for the DOS port... What...The...ASS... Like, this looks like it was made for the Commodore VIC-20 or the ZX Spectrum...DOS PCs could handle a lot more than this, and it just goes to show how incompetent they were in porting this game and so many others to a very capable platform...

[@intel386DX]

I somehow like the funky colorful clouds in EGA DOS version in the backgrounds :D But why you did not show us the CGA mode?

[@Pixelmusement]

+intel386DX I generally only show one video mode per review, whichever has the best graphical fidelity, unless there's a particular difference, either graphically or with the gameplay, which is significant.

[@BeyondTheScanlines]

Gosh, it's a rough port alright. They've really chosen a strange set of colours out of the EGA palette for the visuals. It's a very cold tone, and strangely enough… quite 80s (well, our Vaporwave vision of it) in a real weird way! Not sure if you felt the same as you were grabbing footage for this.

[@quarkbent9165]

Wait, is this the DOS port you're showing? Oh... Oh no. I see. Oh dear XD

[@jakesbase5657]

You trolled me :P The Arcade graphics and sound look like they could've been pulled off with 256 colour VGA graphics and soundblaster sound, and I though it was just some later version of the game.

[@sk8terboi10003]

Back in the 90s companys would port there IP to any console under the sun they could and the result was a buch of terrible ports that just make finding games from that period confusing and time consuming. I swear when i was a kid there was a version of doom on my toaster.

[@lilwyvern4]

Like Ahoy once said "PC gaming wasn't always so glorious."

[@carlcouture1023]

$10 says the reason they changed the China stage's text to Japanese is because they only had photos of the stages and had to build the bitmaps from scratch... And the photos were too blurry so they had to improvise what the text was... And they didn't realize that Japanese isn't Chinese...

[@thejoin4687]

Incredibly, a friend of mine actually had this thing back in the day, and we thought it was the most hilarious thing ever. We'd play it and fall about in hysterics.

[@JomasterTheSecond]

Well, it's not the Tiertex version... Thank god.

[@Pixelmusement]

+Jomaster The Second You SAY that... but having seen their ports of Street Fighter I dare say they did a better job with them than Micro Talent did here... not MUCH better... but better. :P

[@JomasterTheSecond]

True... but Micro Talent didn't make Human Killing Machine so they're _slightly_ less guilty than Tiertex.

[@Pixelmusement]

+Jomaster The Second ...is a worse HKM even possible? o_O;;;

[@RynoKnarr14]

The dos game looks like it would be on the nes

[@lucentv]

I remember owning a stand alone Hi Tech Expressions boxed floppy release for this. What made it worse than the game itself, at the time HTE was publishing this game onto Walmart budget shelves, computers of the time were WAY too fast for it, and I remember that causing me all kinds of problems.

[@Wolfdogg]

My childhood trauma.

[@simovihinen875]

You use vanilla DOSBox don't you? Did you consider trying the Daum version of DOSBox? www.gog.com/forum/general_archive/beginners_guide_switching_from_the_original_dosbox_to_daum_dosbox Or PCem? pcem-emulator.co.uk/

[@Pixelmusement]

+Simo Vihinen For sake of consistency and to provide the best tips on getting these games working, I stick with the standard build of DOSBox as much as I can and will only use other builds/emulators if the standard build is not enough. :B

[@JimLeonard]

@@Pixelmusement You need to upgrade DOSBOX. Many, many bugs, crashes, timing issues, video emulation, etc. have been fixed in the last 12 years since your version came out. Please try DOSBOX-X.

[@sk8terboi10003]

Actually this version of street figther looks fun in a bad way i like games like this

[@Christopher-N]

Hadouken, whatcha been up to?

[@Domarius64]

Truthfully... I nearly closed the video, the channel is called "Ancient Dos Games" and I was halfway through wondering why you were yammering on about what was clearly an Arcade game - no DOS games looked like that or ran that fast, and that music is the same chip used in Megadrives and arcade boards. I scrubbed through till I saw an EGA picture and continued from there. Just honest feedback about my personal experience.

[@Pixelmusement]

+Clint Hobson I mean, your prerogative for sure, but I wanted to give everyone a taste of what the game was SUPPOSED to play like given that the port is so radically different and because so few people have actually seen or played the original. :B

[@Domarius64]

@@Pixelmusement that was my first thoughts but it dragged out for so long that I actually second guessed it.

[@antdude]

Heh. I remember this DOS game on my IBM PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC!

[@EdmondDantes224]

Saw your name, thought you were the reviewer.... didn't know KZbin allowed duplicate names.

[@antdude]

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[@EdmondDantes224]

There's a reviewer named Antdude and I mistook you for him. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXWlnqKhpsR3bKM

[@TeddyBelcher4kultrawide]

random refresh

[@EdmondDantes224]

Speaking of terrible DOS games based on Capcom properties, do you watch Games Done Quick? Cuz a runner recently did a speedrun of Mega Man 1 DOS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpPWZ4N7nL14gMk There's a line in there that cracks me up. "The true Mega Man DOS was inside us all along."

[@RoboticMagus]

So the first SF game did exist.

[@bassguitari928]

I played the hell out of this one on our 386 as a kid! And Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I really knew how to pick ‘em. 😂

[@jasonblalock4429]

4:23 Holy crap... that may actually be the worst shovelware CD of all time. Every single one of those ports is legendarily awful.

[@Pixelmusement]

+Jason Blalock Hey, four Capcom games for the price of one? How could you go wrong?! ;D

[@JimLeonard]

The first skip-ahead wasn't skipping, it was just terrible programming. The second skip was an actual skip and felt like a recording issue on your end. But even if it wasn't, bad games are bad, and this one was just one in a series of bad capcom conversions during the 1980s. They're all terrible (see Side Arms, Bionic Commando, Sarge, Trojan, Pocket Rockets, etc.). Some companies knew how to program for PCs in the 80s, some didn't. Capcom didn't.

[@Tempora158]

Capcom sold the rights to these non-Japanese computer ports to non-Japanese publishers and washed their hands of whatever comes out of these licensees. The only market that mattered to Japanese publishers (Sega, Capcom, Konami, etc.) was Japan, so they didn't care that these American and European computer ports were only fit for a dumpster fire because it's free money for the Japanese publishers and Japan was never going to experience these abominations because they get the good ports on their Japanese computers and consoles.

[@Pixelmusement]

+Jim Leonard I assure you, that all actually happened in real time. There's several more of these skips in the footage but those two were the most notable for the sheer quantity of frames skipped as most of the other skips were more like 30 to 60 frames worth. :P

[@JimLeonard]

@@Pixelmusement even so, you absolutely should not be using the stock dosbox 0.74 version. The maintainer of dosbox-x is very active and responsive on Twitter to bug reports.

[@Pixelmusement]

+Jim Leonard I stick with the base version of DOSBox so that I can give settings recommendations that make sense for all branches, that way if people prefer a different branch my suggestions are still applicable, but that said, I will use other branches of DOSBox when required to get the proper experience and recommend those specific branches as well.

[@JimLeonard]

@@Pixelmusement You should consider that almost nobody who is serious about playing dos games is using the stock dosbox anymore.

[@Horzuhammer]

Oh boy, never played SF1 on the pc... but this looks like a damn masterpiece compared to the 8-bit versions. :D Those things are borderline unplayable. Gotta mention this if someone doesn't know; but to add insult to injury, Tiertex - the studio that made the micro-conversions even released their own sequel called *Street Fighter II: Human Killing Machine,* which is arguably even worse. Oh, and btw. there's a DOS-version of that one too. EDIT: Ok, I got trolled. Commented on the halfway of the video.. :D Indeed the DOS-version looks quite bit like the C64 one, and the fact that it's on a such more powerful system makes it even worse.. Although, despite the screwups with the special moves, the DOS one still *has* special moves, unlike the C64 version (and I think the same goes for Amstrad and the Spectrum.)

[@pelimies1818]

Stopped playing fighting games after overdosing C64’s Exploding Fist.. circa 35 years ago..

[@nothingbutchappy]

Scar across his "chest"

[@Pixelmusement]

+Mark chapman ...whoops, yeah, not quite sure how I made that mistake... :o

[@mrbuckets1106]

Omg the DOS version is just terrible. I used to have the Amiga version and it was pretty bad but way better than this

[@luiscanamarvega]

Notification squad.

[@herbiehusker1889]

I don't know what you are talking about. The MS-DOS version looks way better.

[@marcsm2008]

What a lazy port! PCs could already do better than that. And hell, quite a few PC games had digital sound effects and even voices using the PC speaker. Martian Memorandum had entire lines of voice overs coming out from the PC speaker!

[@Pixelmusement]

+Marcelo Sampaio I'm hesitant to call the port "lazy" because they clearly put a lot of effort into redrawing the art, but I get the distinct impression there were certain restrictions and deadlines in place and that in the end they were all still missed anyways. :P

[@AlyxxTheRat]

Well that's a piece of crap...