PKA on Going to Church

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[@Theodore764]

Kyle talking about his dad is great. I’m glad he has a good relationship with him.

[@xt000ggang7]

Yes its not very common i feel like with kyles age of people

[@TheManLenin8]

23:22 my entire life my parents refused to accept certain job offers, move houses, buy certain things, all because of the rapture. Their entire lives still revolve around that. They all “prophesy” at their churches 24/7 that Jesus is coming soon. My brother and I, and all of the other kids raised in that were TERRIFIED and it’s taken YEARS to distance ourselves from their core and basic thought constructs after him and I stopped going there. Got kicked out of our house too after we stopped because “their house is an extension of gods house, and he lives here too”

[@Moriningland]

And even if you’re a a devout Christian, the rapture is for sure a false teaching. Why does it make sense that Christians in other places of the world are actually persecuted for their faith but the richest, fattest, most money loving, violent sect of Christianity just gets to escape persecution because they are special? It was a teaching popularized in the 1800s. When I was still a Christian, I was convinced that the rapture was basically false. Although there is a prophecy in revelation where it says 1/7th of the church is spared from the trials that come in the end days. I always thought that if there was a rapture, it was probably for third world Christian’s who have already suffered a lot of their faith and lived lives of poverty and desperation so they are saved from the trials of the end times. It’s spoken of as the church of Philadelphia in the prochecy of the seven churchs in revelation.

[@rootintootin5167]

My Navy buddies parents completely disowned him for getting a sick ass tiger tattoo on his thigh. He hasn't spoken to them in at least 7 years now. Said they couldn't except someone who would willingly desecrate gods gift to them. Insanity.

[@stillinfamous]

After hearing these stories I'm glad my parents let me pick my own path. *They went by Kyle's guidelines, they didn't make us pick any religion*

[@douggaudiosi14]

It's a shame when you see such a young mind indoctrinated before they know what is what. It's selfish of the parents to do that

[@jayperz]

I was raised in a southern Christian home, not anything like this but I would say normal. I was heavily involved in leadership with my churches student ministry and was extremely active in it. I stopped going to church when the pandemic hit and i had also just gotten divorced and was feeling more alone than I ever have before. It made me start thinking about everything I’ve experienced and i started to see a lot of cracks in things I believed. Things in the Bible stopped making sense, what I read in the Bible didn’t line up with what I was experiencing in the world, and faith wasn’t helping me anymore, I’m fact I’d go as far to say it was hurting me. While I still believe in God, I’m forever turned off American churches of any kind and will probably never return. My years in the church were some of the happiest times of my life and I wish I could go back at times but looking back now all I see is how I was shamed, lied to, and manipulated emotionally. The hardest part that’s tough to get over is how I did those exact same things to the people I claimed to love

[@spacelevator]

This is sad to hear, my church growing up was super boring and I couldn't bear to go until I started looking into religions again when I was 18ish

[@krystal7958]

Protestantism has single handedly poisoned the well for faith in the US.

[@skinnylong2023]

I considered going back, but then the church I grew up in started banning gay people from entering the building and started playing political videos during sermons. Great way to chase away believers, and a ton of them are doing it

[@drowlmd2995]

The more I learn about Josh the more I respect the dude, not a dishonest bone in his body

[@jakenbake4555]

I’m not sure about his background but he seems very respectful

[@Ultrajamz]

Not Pretending and not lying WAS the holy ghost speaking to Josh ironically.

[@Ultrajamz]

@PharoTalon holy ghost doesn’t mean you lack free will…

[@Ultrajamz]

@PharoTalon its human free will either way theres no taking credit lmao calm down bud

[@Ultrajamz]

@PharoTalon glory to god doesn’t mean no free will.

[@gnarfarmer]

I don't have the same experience with christians as you guys, they'll invite you to church and stuff but for the most part they're pretty nice people

[@struggler6244]

I lived in a little town in Mexico, sometimes when it would rain the sky and sun would almost make the sky look purple. My aunt was a religious nut that volunteered at church literally everyday. When I was in like 3rd grade, she told a story about the apolocalse on one such day. The lights were out. She was going on and on about lore about the day. Said a nun had seen this with a vision, where demons would knock on the door using family members voices. One shouldn't open thr door to them and only blessed candles would work... we had lost power and were using candles to see. She scared the shit out of me for a bit, lol.

[@392Joel]

My ex brought me to her church where they were speaking in tongue. I called bullshit and she did not appreciate it😭

[@eugenesis8188]

I read the first couple books in the left behind series when I was in elementary school. Yes, the adult series, I literally read better than the average adult when I was in 2nd grade. I had the reading comprehension of a college student, but the life experience of a moderately sheltered child. Well, until about 13, every time somebody was late coming home, I was convinced the rapture happened. Mom stopped at the grocery store? Rapture. The best part is that the only reason I ever felt that way is because I just literally never believed in the whole Jesus thing. It was entirely indoctrination. I was worried that, because I didn't believe this thing, something bad would happen to me. Then I made some friends who weren't Christians and realized I wasn't the only person in the world who didn't buy it.

[@Shavars.Sanctuary]

I am a Christian but I don’t engage with the religious (ritualistic/ occultist) aspects of the belief. Christianity also denounces these types of practices and also states that faith is bestowed and cannot be influenced or else it would be pointless. In my studies I was taught that these practices were implemented by the rabbi to empower themselves ironically similar to the fall of lucifer. Christianity should begin and end with christ. There’s no need to find god or spread his message, one day he will come to you or he won’t. If one intents to spread the message they should do so through their actions not words.

[@Staring4827]

Religions become more like social clubs to appeal to the masses, then there seems to be certain rituals that are implimented in order to keep the population under control. Male circumcision . When a baby boy is born in this world he is immediately met with sexual trauma, direct prayer to moloch

[@Mattie599PKMN]

thats some good stuff.

[@kilroywashere9343]

Never realized how good my denomination is. The entire focus of my denomination is love and community, and how the lord will save you. Its never been fire and brimstone

[@sallycakesmix-musicplaylis2013]

woody be like “heaven has good brand loyalty”

[@justme87999]

Woody's takes are so weird

[@Gomajor7]

That’s so messed up that there are churches that guilt people over not having some emotional or profound experience when going to retreats or spending time in prayer I was heavily involved in youth group back in high school and most times never felt anything super emotional back then. Thankfully my church was open-minded to that and would say you don’t need to be speaking in tongues and passing out every time, and even going as far to say that those experiences shouldn’t be forced by anyone. I guess I was fortunate to have an overall positive experience that led me to stay in church, and I can see how a completely opposite experience can lead people away

[@jacobm2625]

As a Christian, there are a lot of really dumb people who claim our title and use it to be a piece of shit. My opinion on any of this is that you should read as much of the Bible (and any other religious texts interest you) as you can and come to your own conclusions about morality/ethics/spirituality.

[@stee_peep]

I used to turn the clocks back so that my parents would be so late to church that we wouldnt go. 😂

[@Joesmho23]

I fell out at 12 completely. There was a point I was like taylor worrying about everything. I would even worry about how to pray cause I thought of I bowed my head I would be sending my thoughts to hell instead. Then it just became paranoia. It started with god seeing my thoughts and now to this day as a 22 year old I still get worried that random people can hear my thoughts. There’s a lot of good that can be picked out and I’d like to believe in god but I don’t like people and I definitely don’t see god in them. Just be a good person

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

I was similar. My mom was pretty relaxed my grandma super religious. And went to sunday school and they told me rain is gos tears and im just....no?

[@Patrick.Weightman]

Blessed are they who have not seen yet still believe

[@andrescubillo7824]

“Something is wrong with me” classic feeling in church for the non bullshitter

[@krystal7958]

Grew up in an Eastern Orthodox church stopped really believing when I was 10 or so, but I never felt that and I still like to go every or so to this day, 15 years later. The problem's not church qua church, it's protestantism.

[@TargetingPod]

I am a saved Christian. Study the Bible often and read every day. I’m heart broken to know that churches are doing this not only to people but to children. God says to protect the children or else he will damn you to hell (paraphrase) Im sorry to all who were hurt by the CHURCH. God loves you.

[@anonymousf454]

Loved this, i honestly hope we get another one like this soon.

[@doublexpgaming4193]

Lmao I grew up in a church where there was a lot of speaking in tongues and people “catching the Holy Ghost”. When I was about 9 years old, while the church was singing this one song, I randomly thought to myself, “this is very creepy”. Lol I used to question a lot of the stories from the Bible. I still do tbh

[@addison_ge1]

The is the issue, too many churches become too focused on religion and push people away. I'm a Christian and these stories sound horrible but I know it can be true. I have had people pray for me and try to push me down. Its about relationship nand accepting that you are human, church should be a safe space for people but there are too many people judging eachother. Listening to this doesn't make me question my beliefs, but makes me feel sorry for all the countless people who have to go through this.

[@Korgano]

I'm in the same boat. It's really sad to me that these guys had these experiences. I'm a Christian, and so much of the stuff the guys described would be considered a horrible abuse in my church - especially a lot of the stuff about trying to give prophecies and tongues and using that to demonize people. From my perspective, a lot of those things are taught by people who really don't understand what the Bible says. Being a believer is supposed to be about grace and humility rather than performing great works to gain attention from people. And it's ridiculous to me that someone would get mad at a kid for asking questions about the Bible. There are things in there that are hard to understand. There's also a lot in the Bible that is genuinely objectionable to people and Christians should know that. Jesus even teaches that a lot of the things he says will be a "stumbling block" to people and cause them to reject him. But it's sad to me when people claiming to be Christians become the "stumbling blocks" instead because they're using church as a way to control people, get praise and attention, get a big rich lifestyle, etc. Those are all against the actual teachings of Christ. He even taught about "wolves among sheep" - people who would distort his teachings for personal gain. I hope that if you are somebody out there who is curious about the Christian faith, you will look past those kind of people so that if you reject the Bible or what Jesus teaches, it's based on really rejecting what it says and not all of the fake things that people have made it out to be.

[@orion1anon]

@2:00 That summed up so much anxiety I had when I was young.

[@bolona5454]

27:28 that was literally the crusaders lol

[@Jdowling357]

I was in a faith based rehab. Church was required (church of christ) and when they started speaking in tongues, it always sounded like the music minister was shouting "BABY BOTTLE BABY BOTTLE" really loud and fast. It was hilarious

[@mindtraveller100]

What faith based rehab really does, is to replace one adiction with another adiction...

[@ridgelineify]

This just sounds like brainwashing

[@MrFineWhiteWine]

Aka, being raised religious

[@WillFoots]

wasn’t my experience with church but it confuses me to know why they would brainwash little kids into flailing their limbs around and speaking gibberish

[@aaronb4936]

I look at churches like I look at corporations.. the bigger they get the more corrupt they get. I’ve had good church experiences in very very small churches where you pretty much get to know everyone and it is more of an “extended family” sort of feel.

[@michaelkearney1955]

When ya realize theres more than one religion and they are all wrong except for for the one u follow

[@IntermezzoR]

I was baptised when I was a baby because it was normal to do here, but I didn't do my confirmation (or however its called). I have never been religious and didn't care for it at all. Over the last few years I've been thinking more about it though and paying more attention to it, and I came to the conclusion that I ethically couldn't support religion in any way so I got my baptism annulled. It doesn't have any real effect, but morally I just couldn't stand it anymore.

[@jackywackysmacky4031]

6:30 Kyle says there is 4 commandments about god but there are only 2.

[@wagwanbroz]

9:36 Taylors had enough of Woody and kyle

[@Phantom-ev1tg]

Gotta love Taylor

[@urbanarmory]

growing up in a normal, non-Christian religious home that didn't try to program me or whatever definitely freaks me out about this kinda Jesus Camp shit. It's like Mirror World junk

[@mcant17]

I went to the types of churches where people speak in tongues. Questioning anything about the Bible was also forbidden

[@semperfi5857]

Yeah same here - got my ass beat for "questioning" when I said since God controls all things, apparently he's the one who put these thoughts into my head - ohh, and logic. I was a sarcastic lil cunt, but I still stand behind that statement.... 😏

[@mcant17]

@@semperfi5857 yo the whole free will thing was always my biggest grievance as a kid. Although, the biggest ass beating I ever got was when I asked if god could possibly be a woman. A pretty innocent question but wooooooo that set my stepmom off something fierce

[@TheBabyDerp]

I grew up Pentecostal (Church of God) and none of this is even remotely close. I guess other Pentecostal sects have devolved into pure cults. We were taught that speaking in tongues is a gift and cannot be taught. It was NOT expected of anyone to ever speak in tongues or to understand the speaking in tongues. I don't really believe much, but my kids will be raised in the church. Religion is good for the nuclear family unit. Conservative Christianity or Islam is ideal.

[@HolyShitAccess]

Say what you want about Christianity but damn, Islam?? Never in a million years would i allow a child molestation sect prosper on my homeland.

[@TheBabyDerp]

@@HolyShitAccess Christianity would be ideal over Islam. Islam is still ideal over the leftist degenerate culture that we have now.

[@northernnaysayer1240]

Specifically chooses the two most repressive religions possible....

[@Moriningland]

It’s kind of funny how Christian’s are supposed to be separate from the world and yet align themselves with worldly political ideologies. You do you, but conservative Christians just kind of help prove that god isn’t real or doesn’t care because you’re basically conforming that things only happen because of the actions of people and not because of god. And do conservative Christians use their political power to feed the worlds poor or end war or increase the quality of life? Nope, it’s only about abortion and gay marriage

[@TheBabyDerp]

@@Moriningland The largest charity organization is the Catholic church, which proves your last point wrong.

[@joeyk3134]

My school had a mandatory church camp that woke you up early and kept you up late. They would keep us in the church from 8pm to 1am emotionally manipulating everyone by lighting candles, keeping you kneeling for 5 hours, and playing faint christian rock. Even then I looked around and thought "you people are really believing this shit?"

[@dutch1995]

Classic eastern mysticism. They use the vocabulary of the bible but that doesn't make it christianity.

[@northernnaysayer1240]

Wait wait wait..... 10% of your pay check?! Who the fuck put up with an extra massive voluntary tax ?! That’s genuinely crazy sauce....

[@BradyDoesntMiss]

I was also heavily brainwashed by Christianity as a kid. I was always on edge about the rapture and dying. I would hear a train horn or some reminiscent of that and I would think it was the angel’s trumpets blaring and that I was going to die. I havent been religious since I was like 13 because of that.

[@surrealengineering7884]

10:19 One answer is in the 1st book of Moses, Genesis. We are not slaves to our God. We were set free to see good and evil and do right and wrong. "You will be like god" and they decided to eat. And god did not kill them but let them go. Imo the beautiful answer in that is: Because we are free. God does not intervene in every micro situation, we are not in a paradise version of the matrix where nothing bad ever happens. And our lifes are full with suffering, thrill, tention, struggle, thrive, growth, prosperity, shock and trauma because of it. We are "young and wild and free", to say it with cringe modern language.

[@happykttn]

i think its pretty crazy that most of our family members, people we love and care about, believe that we (us who dont believe in god) will burn and suffer for all eternity just because we dont agree. i can be the greatest most charitable person, the ultimate version of my self, and if i dont believe in god im instantly tainted. and yet, they still are okay with believing that id go to hell and that theyll enjoy paradise in heaven without me. my own father told me he loves god more than he does me lol. makes me wonder if he sees god as if i see him, him being my father and all

[@rebellorebellion]

My parents never made my siblings or me go to church most was Sunday school to do our first communions but even then my mom didn't realize I never did my confirmation unlike my older siblings

[@AquaStockYT]

Man my church was *not* as fun as any of theirs

[@franksbtka1624]

Say what you will about religion and Christians (and I know a lot of bad has been done in religion's name), but when you really look at what Jesus said and did while he was in human form, the more you realize how radical and right he was about loving your enemy.

[@iLSWx]

when i realized Santa was fake around 8 i had a thought that the same thing could be happening with Jesus. I related the two so much that after that day i lost any belief i had.

[@armondoserna2342]

A year in that missery.i love God perfect

[@buffalobill8729]

I think slot of the ppl that talked in tongues weren't lying they were just suckered into believing it that they subconsciously lied ha

[@gfin4576]

it feels like they are equating different denominations. that Pentecostal church sounds awful.

[@samueldawkins]

they all suck in different ways

[@evanpedri]

Idk the church or the things all those people are telling them. But as a Christian, I've been physically healed twice, onces from a hand injury, and the second from IBs. Speaking in tounges is supposed to be a private prayer laungued and not meant for public. The public use of tongues needs ether a translator, or it's literally a miracle where someone is speaking Russian, not knowing Russian. The slane in the spirit. I've also experienced that. No one tried to push me over, and I can tell you when it's the real deal no one has to push you over to fake it. I have a friend who wasn't a Christian convert to Christianity after it happened to him. The gift of faith is not something unbelievers get. So people saying you haven't been given the gift of faith seem to not understand what the gift is. Faith in the Bible literally means to be persuaded by the evidence, and the best word in English we have for that idea was faith. The real word is pistis.

[@biggiecheese6103]

Are they talking about pentecostal churches?

[@alexey9184]

yeah probably, speaking in tongues and falling over is not a thing in Catholicism

[@biggiecheese6103]

@@alexey9184 yea, I live in Finland and the stuff they spoke about on this podcast all sounded so foreign to me.

[@nickparker5200]

I had the same religious ocd as Taylor as a child so did my sister it was terrible

[@mclovin9283]

I went to victory outreach Bakersfield Cali.

[@aidanpoole3996]

Talking over each other

[@SamWagnerBeast]

Woody loves hell

[@wlidbill5261]

Seem like you guys are gettin pissed at each other you all need to get high and take a break

[@-nup]

I think all went to bad church basically god is everything so yeah if you have a good thought god gives every moment and life so he gave you every thought

[@Lockdown335]

Its interesting when people that grew up in religion confirm things you always suspected as an outsider lol i see its use for people who need it to enact change in their lives but other than that its pretty scammy and culty overall....

[@joebarra1010]

And Hasans chat said they were crazy right wing. I know religion and politics is not directly related, but it can be.

[@TheBabyDerp]

Crazy right wing? so you mean normal.

[@eugenesis8188]

I pretty much stopped believing by like third grade. But I also read the left behind series in third grade. There was like a 5 year period where every time someone was late getting home, I was convinced it was the rapture. I didn't really believe it But I was only pretty sure

[@ASwagPecan]

Comments would call Woody woke for having the exact same take as Taylor here

[@killslay]

America's like a different planet sometimes lol

[@THEGOVERNORFEELS]

No, i think kids at the age of 5 should be taught religion, it instills morals into people and teaches them to be good, im a Christian and i dont go to church and I'm definitely a sinner which I'm not proud of but I will say people need more religion in their lives

[@stubstunner]

Forcing kids to speak in tongues by shunning them is abusive mind control.

[@robertdeforest9682]

This video outlines many of the follies of Protestantism.

[@diychad7268]

Kyle definitely took a page from Woody's book on this topic, he would be much more credible if what he said was actually true

[@cospiccn]

Woody is such a drag on the show

[@ASwagPecan]

muh Woody bad

[@totallylame]

I am religious just in case it turns out to be true. Couldn't hurt just to pick one.

[@samueldawkins]

sure it could

[@vape42]

Completely agree with Kyle's unpopular opinion.

[@jonathanfuentes9162]

I wonder if PKA would ever consider having an actual Christian on the podcast. As a Christian myself, i know all too well about what they went through but there are real answers to the objections they're presenting. Plus a lot of what they are saying is based on the presupposition that Christianity is automatically false.

[@MoggerNChief]

Thats great segment even tho its blasphemous ash

[@armondoserna2342]

I want him like a women

[@armondoserna2342]

Yup.yes.we are here to find truth.just be honest with your source.he won't kill you.

[@cl2u]

Hubbard got religion 100% correct "You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion,"

[@gsfblocker3558]

Y’all went to some wack church camps. Our’s was fun AF. Worse part was the fun

[@rhysm.5915]

😂

[@armondoserna2342]

I like the don't cheat on me part.do you like people cheating on you?

[@armondoserna2342]

Kyle you have to understand..it will happen.you will have to sacrifice for your brother.

[@armondoserna2342]

Kyle is cool,

[@justinmartin4662]

The way modern priests and preachers practice is pretty much the opposite of what Jesus teaches. There’s a reason why priests from history are dressed in rags, Jesus was the son of god and he roamed around in rags, he taught his followers to give everything away and do like him. Modern priests are claiming to represent Jesus and do his will while living n villas and riding around in chariots. It’s not even a moral story. He’s a human sacrifice and scapegoat for the crimes of all mankind, that’s not moral, original sin isn’t moral, and a lot of what Jesus teaches is why the middle age was so dark. You have no thought for tomorrow, loans are immoral and forbidden if interest is involved, put Jesus above all else and if your only son leaves the religion your to Jill him.. The only way this religion is moral in any sense is if you ignore the vast majority of it.

[@chipsthedog1]

I do not believe in God but talking to God is fine, lots of people feel better after prayer but God talking back to you? That's a mental health issue.

[@baaldiablo8459]

I bet you can’t define God. :) You don’t believe in fairies, ghosts, goblins, elves etc either, but you can easily define them by looking them up in a dictionary.

[@chipsthedog1]

@@baaldiablo8459 but I can and it was simple I just googled define God and got the answer and that's because to me God is just the same as fairies, goblins and ghosts, a figment of man's imagination invented to make people follow certain rules

[@baaldiablo8459]

​@@chipsthedog1 Well their existence is up for debate technically, but I posit their definitions are not, would you agree?

[@baaldiablo8459]

@@chipsthedog1 I don't care what God "means to you" I want you to tell me what God means, simply because I've never once met an Atheist that knows the definition. You probably don't know that theres a difference between God and god(s) do you? God and a god are different concepts.

[@chipsthedog1]

@@baaldiablo8459 all gods are the same to me they are only really different to the person that believes in their gog or gods, it's been said before but if you believe in the Christian God then there are a thousand gods you do not believe in. I can find no reason to elevvate one god from another be it the Christian god an Indian god say Shiva or the Muslim Allah to me they are all the same and I don't know why that would bother you as it doesn't bother me that you choose to believe in one or any of these deities

[@skinlesswalnut6259]

Never knew Taylor was a little choir boy lol America and it's god shit is so crazy to me , not as crazy as Islam though lol

[@6paz6uzu6]

13:06 Kyle is a secret coke head, he takes a little sniff and feels that oh so familiar and satisfying burn, it all makes sense now. Taylor"s starting to take over as the main attraction for PKA and Kyle is attempting to get a little bit of that powdered charisma in him to compensate. Idk I'm wired as fuck off a few lines and I just noticed that is a characteristic behavior of coke heads.

[@jakobxr]

taylor is the definition of gentile

[@armondoserna2342]

Yup..the trinity.

[@armondoserna2342]

We give up.we don't believe there is such a thing as loyal.

[@armondoserna2342]

Praying works.you can feel a pray room.its not suppose to be easy

[@TheManLenin8]

Go smoke some more zaza, I bet you’re the same kind of person I was raised around. Delusional and unaccepting of reality really fucked with me when it was commonplace to do so 3-5 times a week. All of you treat God or “Creator” as a fucking adult Santa, and you condemn even your own family members to homelessness and disown them because how DARE they blaspheme or rebel against the ONLY GOD that you can win with. That’s what all religions are btw, they claim they’re the only winner and the rest will suffer. Kinda strange how that works.

[@vgnhdhe]

The reason why trinity exists is so the people of rome would accept the new religion because it had more than one deity

[@Ultrajamz]

It is one diety

[@UpperNileGuy]

You are only half right. It's because Christianity was influenced by mystery schools in Egypt and Greece who were influenced by Pythagorean ideas of numbers and ratios having semi divine meanings

[@surrealengineering7884]

Kyle, to "indoctrinate" your own children into becoming productive and valueable members of society is literally the whole point of being a parent. What sense does it make to have children? What are we here for? Why should we be good to each other, especially when there is no reward for us at all? Christianity answers these questions. My church and Family were great and very grounded in the holy bible and that's whats important. Find a good community, a good church, school, etc.. for your children. The alternative would be to let the state form and mold your children, which, historically has a way worse outcome. I feel Joshuas struggle, because hi sexperiences are clearly really bad and i'm sorry for him. What his church did to him is very far from the Bible and the teachings of Christ.

[@armondoserna2342]

Yup worship is natural.i love my father.he is not weird like they tell ya.you people are weird.

[@Unocole]

weirdo

[@armondoserna2342]

Thats it!don't lie to god.i seen people die fast when they made a promise they couldn't keep.

[@xin215]

"I don't think you should be able to teach children about religion until they're 15" Such a deep-seated hatred for religion lmaoo Kyle definitely got bullied at Sunday School