Planar Binding is Broken in Dnd 5e! - Advanced guide to Planar Binding

[@PackTactics]

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[@chrissoto7187]

Can you do a video on Creat Magen?

[@theodorehunter4765]

Mordenkainen's Private Sanctum prevents planar travel, meaning you can't summon inside it while it's active.

[@LucanVaris]

Evil Tiefling characters be like: "Alright, Dad. My main order for you is this: Have Fun."

[@Razdasoldier]

@@chrissoto7187 The necromancy wizard's most powerful spell?

[@Ubermensch9240]

Tulock came up with a method to combine this spell with MAGIC CIRCLE!!!!!

[@defensivekobra3873]

This has long been the cornerstone of wizard logistic schenanigans, truly strange it's been overlooked by yt

[@PackTactics]

Well people on youtube doesn't want you to know this because its so insanely broken lol.

[@Spiceodog]

Well this and magic jar

[@defensivekobra3873]

@@Spiceodog fair enough

[@charmandenator5686]

Yeah it's been a great spell for many years. Earlier editions have crazy things you can do with it, and it's awesome in Pathfinder too. Overall great spell.

[@firesidefive2j117]

Bad NPC idea high-level law full wizard who hires aventures to find and capture any outplan being that is causing mischief or breaking the law enforce the with this spell to do humiliating and infuriating things, and constantly replying the spell Example The Ventures capture a demon that was causing a small town, some problems the wizard how do you see aventures the capture it once captures force is it to do a Irish dance while making stupid faces in front of the town for a whole year and even longer

[@patrickhannon2694]

Fun Fact: both Netherese and Tasha claim to have created the planar binding spell I’m no expert with older editions but I believe this is because planar binding was once 2 different spells, Binding and Ensarement, that were combined into one for 3e

[@Kingdomkey123678]

also the fact that Tasha is from Greyhawk and the Netherese are from the forgotten realms They both could have discovered the same arcane formulas completely independently in their respective crystal spheres

[@Fistminer]

I like to think it's an inside joke that every powerful wizard created Planar Binding

[@floofzykitty5072]

@@Kingdomkey123678 This happens surprisingly often in real life. It's not hard to find several inventions and scientific discoveries that were found within hours of days or each other, from halfway across the world, with no communication between the two discoverers.

[@mke3053]

Great plot for a one show, from planescape... a mage on baator/abyss uses planar binding and instead of its intented target got the pcs to scort and protect him on am assaullt agains a fortresss

[@Grygus_Triss]

One of the things I’ve love to use this spell for, it to bind an Azer in order to have him craft a weapon. I just love the idea of summoning creatures, not for combat, but for their craft.

[@connordarvall8482]

Yeah, azer are high quality smiths and I think they can even make magic items, from what I read from the Monster Manual. You can also get a few xorn to dig up minerals to be smelted.

[@admcleo]

This becomes a much more fun spell in RP heavy environments where things like the creatures attitude towards you and their goals actually come into play. Particularly if you run demons/devils and fey as having more specific goals and motivations than 'kill/mess with the party' in their decision making. You can run this with "Contact Other Plane" to really intensify the whole playing with fire feeling that making deals with devils can have.

[@lostbutfreesoul]

Consensual Summoners are quite fun to play, they have a personal question built in: Find and befriend plainer creatures. By the end of such an ark, spells like up-casted binding become a gift to keep the plainer creature in the material....

[@Spiceodog]

We came across a pretty stupid dybuk once in the corpse of a owl, and we were able to entertain it with illusory miniature people for us to planar binding . He never wants to leave his owl corpse , and introduces himself like “ i am service, and my flames are redemption hoot hoot” . Whenever he finishes off a foe he says something creepy , my favorite so far being “ your mortal soul begs for the sweet release of death hoot hoot? Death is not a sweet release. Death is the cold biting chains conscripting you to my legion hoot hoot” I love Service so much .

[@homedoggie]

My lawful evil hobgoblin wizard summoning an army of demons to fight a war against Maglubiyet: 😈

[@Somber_Knight]

As an example of commands you may want to issue, I'd take a look at Asimov's laws of robotics as a foundation: 1. You cannot harm a creature or, through inaction, allow a creature to come to harm, either directly or indirectly. * This first law prioritizes the safety of myself, then those I specify, then yourself, then any others I don't specify, and lastly excludes those I have instructed you to attack or otherwise defend against. * Harm is considered to encompass not just physical damage, but also any form of comparative loss or decline, whether emotional, spiritual, social, economic, or otherwise. * Actions that prevent the most possible harm over time are prioritized over others. * As limiting the future growth of an individual through over-protection would be considered harming them, only the minimum involvement to ensure the least harm is caused can be exercised. 2. You cannot attempt or seek to have the meaning of my instructions, laws, or ideals twisted. You must instead strive to remain faithful to the intentions even if an alternative interpretation could or does exist. * In accordance with laws one and two, you must seek to remain non-hostile to my words and to those whose safety is prioritized. * If clarification on an instruction is needed to not conflict with an established law, the necessary clarification must be brought to my attention, so that the instruction can be amended. * If an instruction, law, or ideal has been amended, the most recently amended version of it is to be prioritized. * If an instruction is given alongside an ideal, the ideal is to be prioritized over the instruction. * If taking an action would ever conflict with an instruction, such as if an ideal is being prioritized at the time, the conflict is to be brought to my attention, so that either the issue can be amended. I also recommend casting Geas on the target.

[@steffenjespersen247]

By trying to make a binding all encompassing set of commands you are giving it (if it is an intelligent Devil) ample opportunity to become passive / philosophical and requesting endless futher confirmation in the worst times. Placing objective words like "follow an ideal" that by definition require it to use its own judegement and also specifying that it cannot twist or bend, what it thinks is your interpritation of a rule make it by definition imposible, for it to follow your commands and could be itself make the order null and void. Also trying to give this command to a brutish Demon would likely be to complex for it to understand and theirby to follow. It would be able to do something you do not intent exactly because it would not be able to understand / remember or judge how instruction would clash with other parts of you laws.

[@Somber_Knight]

@@steffenjespersen247 Since the spell doesn't remove the target's autonomy, there is no set of commands (that I know) that can both fully encompass all possible circumstances and stop the target from relying on it's own judgment. I aimed for a middle ground where they would ask for clarity, as a passive devil at the wrong time will still be better than a reckless or aggressive one. I think the target still has to follow the rules, even if they don't understand them, but the rule shouldn't conflict with itself since it doesn't say they can only act as you intend, only that they must try to.

[@scottparsons829]

Cast with Wish, becomes 8th level upcast and only takes a round to cast. I think you could limit the number of CR's you can bind to your level. So, you could have a bunch of minor minions or one big one and it becomes less OP.

[@iododendron3416]

Even crazier if you are a divination wizard. 'I use wish to cast planar binding on the devil and it rolls a 3.'

[@pallen2645]

It's not entirely clear that a spell cast via wish is automatically upcast to 8th level.

[@thecookiemeister5374]

@@iododendron3416 j e s u s

[@theirDevil]

If your using Wish, you might as well forgo any semblance of balance. You're running a level 17 campaign at the minimum, just let the players summon armies and run kingdoms.

[@flamingbull3438]

@@iododendron3416 Legendary. Resistance.

[@Aaaaaa--5]

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[@aliutkugulmez8573]

Planar binding is a DM spell but it is rare to see it among players. High level gameplay is not common in dnd but when it happens everyone knows Spellcasters rules, this spell is one of the examples of why they "Rule". If opportunity is given you can control a Pit Fiend which is why I love this spell.

[@Spiceodog]

I used it to much in my last campaign. Dm sat me down and made a deal. One creature per player at a time , and in exchange we can dismiss or summon them back at will, and they’ll follow our commands the best they can not just to the letter of the wording .

[@lostbutfreesoul]

@@Spiceodog Good storyteller there, I much approve of this solution. You get a friendly plainer that is inline with your objectives, and they get a channel to the Material Plane.... win win!

[@bulldozer8950]

Ya. Assuming spell casters have time they can use magic jar to themselves become a super powerful entity and also use this and simulacrum to build quite the army. Not even to mention. The 9th level spell shenanigans

[@aliutkugulmez8573]

@@bulldozer8950 "You certainly can try"

[@captanblue]

You don't even need gold, just get a creation bard buddy at a high enough level and you can just make a diamond appear for free.

[@fernandozorin204]

Lvl 14 is when the things go crazy

[@captanblue]

@@fernandozorin204 I'm playing one now, only lvl 5 but it already feels like I'm a cartoon character. Doesn't help that I'm playing a fairy.

[@dizzydoom4230]

Indeed, he can literally had you the spell components free of cost.

[@Nyrufa]

It's not that convenient. You can only create 1 item at a time with their ability, and it only lasts for a number of hours equal to their proficiency bonus. Meaning you can't stockpile them for later use.

[@captanblue]

@@Nyrufa not so Creative Crescendo At 14th level, when you use your Performance of Creation feature, you can create more than one item at once. The number of items equals your Charisma modifier (minimum of two items). If you create an item that would exceed that number, you choose which of the previously created items disappears. Only one of these items can be of the maximum size you can create; the rest must be Small or Tiny. You are no longer limited by gp value when creating items with Performance of Creation.

[@sauronsrighthandman301]

Just gonna add that with Conjure Elementals the elemental doesn't disappear when you lose concentration, it remains for the full hour. So you could cast magic circle, put the elemental inside the circle, then bind it with Planar Binding. Theoretically. The casting time might make things a bit complicated.

[@Samboy64]

A Level 9 Divine Soul Sorcerer with the Extended Spell Metamagic option. Cast Summon Celestial and spend 1 sorcery point to double its duration to 2 hours. Spend 7 sorcery points to get your 5th level spell slot back with Flexible Casting. Cast Planar Binding on your new Celestial friend. Because you have full control over them you can have them willingly fail the Charisma save against Planar Binding. There are other ways to get similar effects, but this is the quickest path at the earliest level that I've found.

[@renatocorvaro6924]

Planar Binding was how we got infinite wishes back in 3e. Good times.

[@glendisshiko8182]

How exactly did that work?

[@dairoleon2682]

I think if my Sorcerer ever got Wish, he'd wish for the ability to write magic like a Wizard.

[@TrulySomeone]

@@glendisshiko8182 I assuming that you'd Planar Bind a creature that has the wish spell, then use their wish spell to summon the same creature which has the wish spell (which you would then planar bind), then you'd get that second creature , make them summon the same creature, planar bind that creature........... you'd do this as many times a day as you could, then sleep, regain spellslots, and exponentionally increase the amount of summonings and wishes per day.

[@renatocorvaro6924]

@@glendisshiko8182 Efreet had three castings of Wish per day, that they could only use on if asked to by a non-genie. So you'd Planar Bind an Efreet, tell them to give you two wishes and you'd use the third for them, and basically just build on that process. Any competent 11th level Wizard had several rooms full of Efreet that were happy to be there.

[@xaxorime7447]

The way I usually use this spell is with Evil Wizards that summons a fiend or a demon and bargains with it mid ritual. If I convince it, I finish the ritual upon the contract just discused and if not just dismiss the creature. The logic is that If a wizard starts to summon and slave things it gets a bad rep and you don't really want a DemonLord or a Fey Queen or something like that as an enemy, hence it's better to make sure that both are ok with that. I like it a lot because it's prime material to roleplay as a Dark Mage making pacts with devils and also kinda balances it by making sure that you summon only what you need and that unlimited gold just doesn't automatically solves everything.

[@malrok5452]

Sure, it's best to not to mess with cosmic chess of infernal politics and fey in fancy dress. But the forces of Chaos don't follow the pathos of answering to a boss. Go on an abyssal walk, put a lock on a Vrock, and have plenty minions in stock.

[@charmandenator5686]

It's great to see someone finally explain Planar Binding shenanigans. Now everyone can know how broken it is!

[@rylog8]

The other limit to this spell is role play. Part of why alignment matters is that it determines how extraplanar creatures react to this sort of thing. 3e explicitly mentions that Devils will heavily imply that they still get to bargain. They don't, by the spell, but they're betting the average wizard won't think of that (or that they won't be able to suss out the lie). Celestials generally are really busy doing way more important things (hence why the Coatls are the only ones that made the port to 5e), and will convince the [let's face it, 5e assumes] heroic players that they really really shouldn't be doing this, or at least should be willing to do something in return. To say nothing of the notion that they might be merc'ing one of the servants of a deity... Demons and Fey will be forced to adhere to the spell, but DM has leeway to use fey cloudcuckoolander logic for solving the command and for demons to cause as much chaos and destruction in the process. No matter how specific you try to be, a demon will, every time, find some way to intentionally break something the party would rather them not. And if it's in combat, DM is within their rights to decide that talking is limited to 6 seconds for the round. Elementals should not see this as any different than a genie being trapped in a ring or lamp: "you are committing slavery right now. I am immensely powerful, and this isn't going to last forever. You should let me go now, and maybe I won't try to unalive everyone you've ever met in the process of my infinite lifespan." I'm certainly not saying this applies to everything or should happen every time. But a puny mortal whose ambitions outreach their control will be hoist by their own petard eventually. That's just a trope. And a useful one for a DM to maintain a setting's integrity.

[@Ziggynes]

Something worth bearing in mind, you cannot bind a creature with this spell that you yourself have summoned IF the summoning spell necessitates concentration. For example, the spell Summon Fey has a casting time of one action and a duration of 1 hour, concentration. Planar Binding has a casting time of one hour. You cannot concentrate on a spell while also casting a spell that has a casting time of more than one action. (PHB 202 'Longer Casting Times') Though that doesn't stop you from asking your bard or druid friends to summon up critters for you to bind.

[@prophetzarquon]

True! Spells with >1 action casting time, require Concentration! "When you cast a spell with a casting time longer than a single action or reaction, you must spend your action each turn casting the spell, and you must maintain your concentration while you do so" Spells like _Find Familiar_ have an Instantaneous _duration,_ but you need Concentration for the entire (1hr) casting time!

[@Magnus2dead]

Not related to the subject but I love Scotland the Brave in the background!

[@jb123581]

On the note of summon spells, make sure you work with your DM regarding what responds to your summons. If they take an anything goes approach to what the player asks for, consider Conjure Minor Elementals for chwinga. The monster itself is incredibly weak, *but* they do have that 1/day magical gift ability. For the low cost of one fourth level slot, you can get 8 different gifts. Depending upon what gifts they actually provide, that could very well mean more spells that the party can use than you actually put into the summon. You don’t even have to have the gifts bestowed to yourself, so those martials could have a three casts of conjure animals for instance. If they opt for non-spell gifts, even those can be incredibly useful, such as letting the target drop of one HP instead of zero multiple times before it is exhausted.

[@christopherg2347]

I would say the biggest weakness of this whole thing is Dispel Magic. If anyone manages to dispel either the summon or the binding, you are out of a monster. And a enemy might be able to summon monsters that can cast Dispel Magic at will, thus quickly taking out your army. And when you go really high (like hitting Tiamat with it), you probably disrupt some very powerful beings plans. Who would all send their minions to dispel this.

[@FallenFromGlory]

You can get around this somewhat, innate spells often cast it at its lowest possible level- and if you planar bind a divine elephant (dunno the name, hollyphant?) it grants spell immunity. LAter you can sequester it too.

[@aurtosebaelheim5942]

In many ways it's the perfect spell for a cooperative group of players: It can very easily play up or down to the game's power level. There are ethical questions that naturally arise and give good in-character reasons to limit how/if you use it (it may be morally fine to enslave a creature of pure evil, but by letting it into the world you're giving it an avenue to spread harm, etc.). It spreads the power over multiple creatures that can be handed out to the party (as opposed to, say, Wish, which you can't exactly hand to the party Fighter to control). Best-case scenario imo is to wait until 6th or 7th level slots then turn your entire party into off-brand beastmasters and move on with your life, only busting it out again when you want to replace dead pets.

[@backcountry164]

This spell is one of the best uses for the Wish spell. No spendy component and cast as an action to get a minion for 6 months. Any 17th level wizard should have a whole host of powerful extraplanar minions.

[@violeth2255]

Wish doesn't upcast in 5e. It can just "duplicate any other spell of 8th Level or lower." So you'd forgo the 1hr casting time, but the target would only be bound for 24hr.

[@royjaskowski905]

Any spell of 8th level… seems like ANY spell upcast to 8th level is included, as that technically makes it an 8th level spell (treated as 8th level spell for counter spell, so it must be an 8th level spell, right?)

[@FallenFromGlory]

this is incorrect, you can upcast spells as confirmed by crawford.@@violeth2255

[@lazerith84]

Here is a kind of rules question - 1 can planer binding be layered? As in can you cast it again on day 8 of 10 to refresh it? 2 can you order your summon to repress their will and ego and accept your spell? Do they you can rebind them more easily?

[@danieldonnert3747]

Yes, you can extend the duration that way; you need to recast it while it's up to extend its duration. No, you can't give an order that changes their will, only tasks to be completed. A friendly summon that wants to stay with you can choose to fail, but a hostile summon will only ever go through the motions of submitting. Feeblemind and polymorph are the spells you want to repress their will and ego in a strictly rules discussion. But if a hostile summon chooses to fail (or is otherwise forced to fail), know that it is following the adage "keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

[@lazerith84]

@@danieldonnert3747 nice - thanks for the info - I’ve been playing 3.5 for years and years so the nuances of 5e are totally lost on me.

[@muriomoira]

Metamagic adept's extended spell is another way of increasing your summon's duration for the whole ritual. My dm ruled that you could only have one creature bound by the spell and honestly, im fine with that... It still is pretty strong since it frees your concentration slot while having a powerfull allie... I made a bard build with it working along side summon undead (my had no problems with it working with undead) and it was hella fun (warding bond and holly weapon on your summon is really powerfull and fun).

[@cybermage99]

The best part about this is when the enemy caster casts dispel magic to end the spell part way through. Even more fun if they stick around for the rest of their original duration. Of course only do this once after they have gotten a good amount of usage out of the spell.

[@Celticassassin23]

dont forget that the duration of the original spell was changed to planar bindings, im pretty sure there staying around for the longer duration if binding is released

[@JB-ez1dp]

Love that you're using the "5 edition" title instead of the evil over lord title "D&D".

[@mrbean3470]

Our sorcerer subtly cast wish as an 8th level version of this spell on the bbeg. So for half a year... The party has a pet to wreck encounters.

[@violeth2255]

Wish doesn't upcast. It can just "duplicate any other spell of 8th Level or lower." You get the baseline spell level for the spell cast. Same reason aberrant mind sorcerers can't upcast using Psionic sorcery: you aren't given the option to.

[@FallenFromGlory]

you're wrong, check the raw and crawford.@@violeth2255

[@MasterfulPaladin]

I love this spell, im a big summoner archetype player usually and my favorite things to summon with this are the 4 Elemental Myrmidons

[@Niyucuatro]

The way i would rule it in my table is that you need to keep concentration on a summoned monster to keep it on your plane, even after planar binding. Because it says that you extend the duration to match the duration of planar binding, not swap it compeltely. But of course, once the summoned creature goes back to it's plane, it's still bound. Any spell that allows the party to do planar travel could help them retrieve it and if they can catch a creature that have crossed the planes without summoning magic that's also a long term minion. So still posible to create an army of minions, but you give the DM more control on how many of them they will be able to get. It can also be usefull in subterfuge. Summon a demon that serves an archdemon, bind it, return it to the abyss and you have a spy for the duration of the spell

[@defensivekobra3873]

Edit: this was literally brought up in the video nvm lol Speaking of teamwork, worth noting that since you need to concentrate in order to cast a spell with a casting time longer than 1 action, you will need a second caster or a casting of glyph of warding in order to use it on a summon, worth noting. That or magic circle + dropping conc on conjure elemental

[@danielknapp159]

A great addition to this is to be a divination wizard. It guarantees that if you roll low on your divination roll in the morning that you can make them fail by giving them that roll.

[@daschwick6676]

I'm currently playing a necromancer wizard, and I have some plans for this spell! I'm looking forward to binding a dybbuk first -- the idea of a bound demon possessing a downed enemy and turning on its former allies, all while doing exorcist-type things, is simply awesome. And if those Temp HP get depleted... pop into another corpse and repeat. Dimension door in its innate form is also useful, as alluded to here. Plus, I know our DM will absolutely love getting to still use his downed enemies stat blocks, but on the side of the party Later, I'm considering binding a maurezhi, mostly for out-of-combat resurrecting of ghouls or ghasts from Create Undead. The ghouls and ghasts you get from Create Undead don't usually seem worth the spell slot, but if you have a maurezhi to reanimate them after every combat, it makes far more sense! The recharge mechanic can reliably resurrect 1 in-combat (useful), and maybe up to 2 or 3, but after combat, you can bring back the rest (or even kill and then reanimate any that were looking a little bloodied). The ability to devour the corpse of a creature and gain its knowledge can also be situationally useful - accidentally kill an enemy that had vital knowledge, but who definitely wouldn't tell you anything under Speak with Dead... no problem! Trying to interrogate someone for the same, but they're resisting... have your most intimating PC threaten them with this fate! I don't plan on using the maurezhi to create ghouls or ghasts, because nothing in the stat block indicates the maurezhi has control of ghouls/ghasts it creates (unlike the wight with its zombies). Balance is important, but fortunately our DM is experienced and great at balancing encounters; been running with him for over a year and he's never TPK'd us, although we've had multiple player deaths. We always have to bring our A game, he runs a deadly campaign; I can only recall one fight where we steamrolled his encounter, we're very often in mortal peril. I think that limiting things to these two bound demons maintains the character theme of the necromancer and won't overshadow anyone in the party (we have zero front-liners, everyone wants to stay out of melee as much as possible; my undead are literally our only 'meatshield', so having the dybbuk there to draw additional attacks and the maurezhi there to refresh the frontline after combat just fits)

[@watcherknight8760]

If you're running a war campaign (like my DM intends to) this is a pretty cool way to build your army

[@royjaskowski905]

Since you need a failed CHA save, first bind with a 5th level. Once bound ask them to voluntarily fail save and upcast. Remind them to come to you the day before spell expires to remind you to prepare and re-cast binding again.

[@mqb3gofjzkko7nzx38]

Planar Binding becomes insane when you cast it using Wish. Instant casting time and no material components needed. You can even use it to bind Tiamat, as long as you nuke her charisma with Feeblemind first.

[@Celticassassin23]

and get rid of legendary resistance

[@undrhil]

Nothing in the planner binding spell says that the concentration duration goes away. The "extended" duration applies only to what can be extended which is the time portion of the duration, not concentration. However, you can get around that by using a glip of wording not only for the planner binding but also for the summoning since both uses a glipper warning will give rid of the concentration in the 1st place.

[@argaveus]

It says the time you have the summoned creature for is extended to match planar binding, not that it becomes it. I would argue that while it does increase the time you have the summon for, the spell keeps the concentration part

[@argaveus]

@@kclubok useless is a bit strong. Sure it doesn't work with the spells that summon hostile entities, as they would obviously choose to attack you once concentration is broken. But spells that summon allied entities would still be viable. And as a side note, there's no way I'm allowing my PC's to have that many summons. You get one as the spell is intended, I'm not bogging down combat simply because you want to have 30 summons or whatever

[@argaveus]

@@kclubok and let's be honest here, it certainly wouldn't be the first spell that isn't worth upcasting in this game, and it probably isn't the last

[@argaveus]

@@kclubok I'd use it on a hostile creature, something real aggro like a demon, put it in a town or city I don't like, tell it to wait there, get nice and far away, and then drop concentration. Boom, powerful demon terrorizing a town, for half a year, and you get to keep your concentration. Sounds like a bargain to me. Let's think about this logically though for a moment. Is it more likely that you and pack tactics are misinterpreting the rules, or that Wizards purposefully designed a spell that let's you simultaneously have 366 summons active?

[@MrTabanese]

@@kclubok I would argue that the presumption you are making that isn't true is that all planar binding are done to spell summoned creatures. That is not the case; so the upcast versions are useful if you restrain a creature of the apt type that you did not summon and cast it upon them. Is it harder? Yes. Is it more useful? Your earlier objection regarding the spell's upcast potentional concedes that it is.

[@argaveus]

@@kclubok though let's not forget that there are ways to avoid sleep, like an elfs trance, the warlock invocation, or warforged sentry thing

[@danielknapp159]

I am imagining a one-shot or even mini-campaign of summoned creatures by clever spellcasters sent out to do quests. All different types but similar CR.

[@markbridges2168]

Perfect timing. I have a level 20 oneshot coming up and wanted to play a conjurer

[@ToxinArrow]

"Melee martials are useful!" Gator let's not say things we don't mean.

[@giladartzi1247]

Love it! quick question, do you still need Private sanctum if you cast magic circle?

[@PackTactics]

If the creature can teleport then you need private sanctum with magic circle.

[@KuaEtus]

whit the circle they can escape if they succeed on a CHA save, if you have the Sanctum they cannot escape. 🐊

[@jeffjefforson5929]

@@PackTactics Hi! If you are summoning a creature, say a Demon that can teleport, wouldn't Private Sanctum foil your summoning spell? > Planar travel is blocked in the area Would summoning a creature from the abyss to the material plane not count as planar travel?

[@rainbowmothraleo]

@Jeff Jefforson have to casters, one of whom holds the action and casts MPS at the exact moment you brought creature on your plane

[@jeffjefforson5929]

@@rainbowmothraleo while that is valid, it suddenly makes this whole thing a lot harder. In a 3 or 4 person party, the odds of having two full casters, of the exact varieties needed for this combo, and the one who *isn't you* ALSO taking a spell that you happen to need for your combo is a lot less likely

[@Paintchipsrocks]

In one of my games if you bind a creature like this without some really good reasoning it would automatically become hostile, and depending on its abilities and potential allies you might be in for a rude awakening. Fiends trade in favors, and it would not be hard for one to call up a buddy while doing your task to call in a greater dispel magic, then you have a new bbeg.

[@joemama114]

One of the most fun spells really. Honestly one of the most entertaining world building spells. High level wizards in particular being able to get 1 year of service from multiple cr 9 creatures is neat. Glyph of warding does work, but you can't usually do a level 9 glyph AND a level 9 summoning spell, However a spell Gem would allow you to store up to a level 9 spell (It's legendary tho) Spell gem a level 9 conjure elemental at level 9 in a level 9 spell gem (diamond I think?) Sleep then Level 9 planar binding can be dropped on the elemental. Instant friend. Sleep again and depending on GM you could also true polymorph the elemental into ANY cr9 monster. Imagine an Ulitharid working for your party, and after it is "killed" reduced to 0 hp it explodes into a frost salamander, lol.

[@watcherknight8760]

Don't need to do any of that mate, just have a Simulacrum that can cast glyph of warding at 9th level while you cast whatever you want. RAW Simulacrums can still cast Simulacrum and copy you, so you can get an infinite amount of Simulacrums with their 9th level spell slot in tact, assuming you've got the materials, which you will cause since you have infinite simulacrums you've got infinite wishes and you'll never have to worry about never being able to cast wish again after using it to conjur 25,000 gold's worth of ruby dust or something, because the Simulacrum is it's own creature, and it only has 1 cast of wish anyway

[@loganreed291]

Yes, given enough time and gold this spell is absurd

[@Spiceodog]

Or if you don’t have the gold, a high level creation bard will also work

[@renatocorvaro6924]

Gold is easy to get. By the time you get Planar Binding, you've already got Fabricate and have been making giant piles of cash because you're a factory. Time can definitely be an issue but that's adventure-specific.

[@FallenFromGlory]

or just an illu wizard / creation bard@@agilemind6241

[@Spiceodog]

But Kobold, your doing it wrong! Just store planar binding in the glyph of warding, and then summon the creature onto the glyph, you don’t need any of these magic cirlcles or private sanctum shenanigans!

[@MalloonTarka]

I don't think that would work: Planar binding talks a lot about the person casting the spell becoming the one the creature is bound to, and technically it's the Glyph of Warding that casts the spell.

[@Spiceodog]

@@MalloonTarka I’m almost certain that’s not how that works

[@FallenFromGlory]

kek@@MalloonTarka

[@VooshSpokesman]

Love from a Adan and Vaush fan!

[@101Fisan]

I'm not seeing Magic Circle, Glyph of Warding, or Planar Binding under any of the sorcerer spell lists. How do they get access?

[@PackTactics]

Divine soul Sorcerer.

[@101Fisan]

@@PackTactics completely forgot about its access to cleric spells! Thanks

[@JamesOmega36]

My DM allowed my 15th level wizard to create an Artifact Spellbook which acts as a +5 focus and lets him summon Fiends at twice the CR he should be able to. Planar Binding quickly became one of my favorite spells.

[@tbga1970]

Nice video. I went to buy the dragon scale bundle, but it looks like you can pick the color of the dice tray, but not the dragon scale dice? Weird. I emailed support. Hopefully I missed where you can pick the option on the dice.

[@Terker2]

This spell and Magic Jar are a good litmus tests, whether your players are good people or not :D

[@grimmreaper6354]

but if a summon disappears after an hour you'd have to start the casting the instant the creature is summoned or it just poofs before the spell is finished no?

[@jamcdonald120]

11:40 i bind a fiend at 9th level. I send it out to go "shopping"/find me gold/work for a living, I use the procedes to bind another fiend tomorrow. And then send that one out. and in a half a year, I am ready to invade.... anywhere

[@johngillan4475]

Interesting article thank you

[@Silverythoughts]

Makes me wonder if there is a planar binding specialist bard build...using creation bard for free expensive material components?

[@michaelhockman3420]

“You don’t want this to become Warhammer 40k or something” Me painting my necrons: you mean my friends might actually try it?

[@2thirds]

Counterpoint to it being broken - if it takes an hour to cast, summon lasts an hour, you're going to be 6 seconds short, every time.

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

Glyphes of warding entirely bypass this problem of the action economy. That's what makes them worthwhile to begin with. Scrolls store slots Glyphes store slots and actions but are basically immobile

[@2thirds]

@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece but aren't we now trying to cram another 1h casting time into an 1h casting time, and a very similar problem?

[@knightofxentar]

@@2thirds There is no casting time for planar binding when putting it into the glyph, it just needs to be prepared as per the glyph spell's description. 10 Minutes to cast sanctum (that last 24 hours), 1 hour to cast glyph with planar binding (the glyph lasting until triggered), 1 minute to cast circle (that lasts 1 hour), and 1 action to summon the creature.

[@2thirds]

@@knightofxentar ok, thanks I understood it as: when you cast glyph of warding, to make it store a spell, you need to cast that spell during the casting time- hence I thought it impossible to store spells that need a casting time of an hour or more.

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

I have a warlock in my party that loves Summon Greater Demon. I’m not sure wether he’d love it or hate it if I taught my wizard planar binding lol.

[@GORtheBULL]

Does that mean you can bind the Tasha's summons as well?

[@Graxil]

If you use Private Sanctum, blocking planar travel, don’t you block the summon spell itself?

[@PackTactics]

No.

[@Graxil]

@@PackTactics But are summon spells not often planar travel? the way I interpreted them was that one is summoning the creature from another place (usually another plane), not creating the creature

[@Valnanailo]

I would also like to bring up, that you can technically use this on the pure fey playable races if you want to be evil

[@LFOtobot]

5:14 You circled the Casting Time when you were talking about Duration

[@samuelpoulin3546]

I used to play a high lvl bard that used planar binding, magic circle, and summon elemental for a concentration free earth elemental and eventually a frost salamander.

[@patricks2645]

Demonomicon of Iggwilv (summon fiend into a 9th level planar binding as an action) go BRRRRRR.

[@Melidus53]

Wouldn’t the changing of the duration of the summon spell only apply once the spell planar binding is actually cast? A spells effects only occur once the casting has been completed. A fireball doesn’t affect anything until the action to cast it is finished. Likewise, Planar binding and it’s effects do not occur until the spell is finished casting after an hour. Since it takes an hour to cast planar binding, and summon only lasts an hour, the summoned creature would disappear right before you finished casting planar binding.

[@honahamomoru151]

They *kinda* suggest that Magic Circle can keep a summoned creature past the duration of the summon spell. But they don’t say that outright in the Magic Circle spell, the only thing that maaaaybe support this is the creature affected by the Magic Circle spell has to succeed a Cha save to teleport or planar travel out of the circle. So maybe disappearing from a different plane to return to their native plane count as planar travel and they has to pass the Cha save or be stuck in the plane they are summoned to?

[@Melidus53]

Hmm that’s a pretty hard to parse interaction there. Not sure what I’d rule on that one.

[@davidgareau7453]

what if you bind 3 green hag, can you make a coven?

[@TalesMarquesRodriguesdosSantos]

hey in the description of conjure fey it says it takes the form of a beast and not its actual form is this correct

[@booleanillogical4757]

It's says a fey creature OR a fey spirit that takes the form of a beast

[@jamcdonald120]

wait? can you summon in private sancutm? Doesnt that count as teleportation?

[@mrmastaofdesasta6994]

Technically the 1 hour casting time is not the duration of planar binding... By the position of the phrase about extending the duration in the spell description, it seems as if it is only extended AFTER you finished casting Planar Binding.

[@kevingriffith6011]

I know this is all about Planar Binding, but I legitimately never considered using Glyph of Warding to make Magic Circle practical. That's... actually *really good*, since Magic Circle has always been really cool, but super impractical thanks to it's 1 minute cast time... but with glyph of warding you can either bait or force the target onto the glyph and bam, one hour of captured demon/ghost/elementa/fey/whatever for you to do with what you please.

[@chancemaillie5213]

Ok wait, if you cast private sanctum, does it also stop summoning spells?

[@KuaEtus]

okay I have a question 🐢, when you cast a glyph spell it consumes 2 spell slots or just 1? Let's say I want to store the fly spell in a glyph, do I cast it at 3rd level, spend 2 3rd level spell slots or just the one required by the glyph?🐊

[@schulterderwelt3989]

it says you spend 2 slots

[@KuaEtus]

@@schulterderwelt3989 were?

[@schulterderwelt3989]

"by casting it as part of creating the glyph." so you cast both Glyph of Warding and the spell you are putting in the spell glyph, consuming a slot as normal for each. its similar to Contingency in that way.

[@KuaEtus]

@@schulterderwelt3989 so, for you to cast planar binding at 6° lvl you have to be a lvl 19 caster, and if you want to cast it at 7° lvl you need to be a lvl 20 caster. I think the glif should be use to cast the circle 🐊.

[@schulterderwelt3989]

you can also use a spell scroll instead of using a spell slot

[@someoneonyoutube8622]

Aka the Pokémon trainer build. Gotta catch them all!

[@smile-tl9in]

You don't need magic circle if you have glyph of warding. Best used with summon greater demon or infernal calling because they summon the highest cr of creatures. Overall simulacrum is probably better at getting you minions. Magic circle is useful of you have gate. Then you can summon truly high cr monsters. Although it won't work on anything with legendary resistance. You don't really care what you summon if you have true polymorph. Works better with simulacrum though. You can summon and bind an imp to be your familliar...In which case they can provide you with magic resistance. Check the entry on imps if you don't believe me

[@Sir-Pleiades]

Planar Binding can't get you a familiar as it must be done with a contract and the Imp can always end it's bond if you violates a terms of the contract. A imp familiar can't be a Slave, same thing for Sprite, Quasit, Pseudodragon and such that can take a Bonding as familiar.

[@smile-tl9in]

​@@Sir-Pleiades there is nothing that says you can't use planar binding to force the imp to sign a contract.

[@20thoughts]

Ohhh, that "duration ditches concentration" bit takes some SERIOUS DM goodwill. Another case of RAW probably not being RAI.

[@pandanielxd]

lol conc not being removed would not make any sense, why do you think thats not RAI?

[@jacobweatherford4696]

Personally i love this spell i usually have it handy for just incase i come across the money necessary for it and reach a lvl where i can make my summon stay around for aslong as possible

[@CleopatraKing]

I'm surprised you haven't done a in depth glyph of wardin vid. Between inscribing them on pebbles and using magic stone, the famous bag of copper, and so many other game breaking strats

[@josephpeterson4644]

Magic stone isn't going to do much good, since the glyphs go away after being moved 10 feet.

[@janus2773]

yeah could you elaborate a bit? 200gp for magic stone? hows that worth it

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

I mean while OP in normal D&D play it's also niche as what if your campaign does not have those monsters to catch. Also you can allow your players to catch and hold any monster they see just put them in naritve time with only as many in combat as you and your players can handle like if the Big bad gets an army this could be a fun conter.

[@FallenFromGlory]

he showed how you can bind summond creatures.

[@severussnape2917]

It's fun, if only higher level play was more common

[@GLu-tb1pb]

people say Planar Binding can become very powerful due to making a lot of fiends follow your bidding, however, does Planar Binding have an unforseen Narrative consequence? On a cultural aspect, if fiends keep disappearing, won't the Archdevil like Zariel investigate and even perhaps take revenge for her followers being converted one by one? or even if you randomly pick one of each kind of creature, their societies might notice people disappearing if they're kept away for too long

[@asturias0267]

A high level BBEG could slowly summon a large army of demons with this spell. It'd make for a good story.

[@daggeranddoctor]

Dimensional Shackles would also help with this.

[@seitime]

Does not change the level of cool of this combination, but you would still absolutely need to concentrate on the summoned creature. It says clearly in Planar binding that "If the creature was summoned or created by another spell, that spell's duration is extended to match the duration of this spell." Not that the duration of this spell changes, or replaces it. The duration of the original summon spell was 1 hour, concentration. Now with a time extension becomes 24 hours, concentration. This states that it is extending the duration, not changing the duration type.

[@WilsonProductions14]

You're wrong bozo, rewatch and reread

[@seitime]

@@WilsonProductions14 It is called misinterpreting the rules. It happens often. I am not wrong, and you would be silly to think that it works that way, as a given. I would suggest you discuss that with your DM before you go into it with expectations, as I would suggest with most of the videos of this nature on KZbin.

[@FallenFromGlory]

I feel bad for him tbh, showing the raw- it being a sub of duration, and having people ignore it. shame on you.

[@YellowCable]

Is there some way to use this, or rule this, in a way that does not completely break the game for the DM and everyone at the table? any suggestions on how to improve it? "You can only bind one creature at a time" seems a fairly simple fix to me, wdyt?

[@booleanillogical4757]

The dm can always limit the availability of components. While Making gold can be done pretty easily that doesn't mean the jewels and incense needed for these spells are always readily available for purchase. Maybe the nearest merchant that the material requires days to tendays of travel, or the merchants the party can go to will need to custom order the materials and wait a couple tendays for them to arrive.

[@FallenFromGlory]

Limit it to one summon but force the summon to operate in good faith + the ability to dismiss and summon it from an extradimensional space is a fair ruling.

[@lucasbrant9856]

Knocking a monster out doesnt work with summon greater demon because it disappears once it reaches 0 hit points, even if its not dead. To bind summoned dybbuk you probably need something like mordenkainen's private sanctum to prevent it from teleporting away.

[@DyrgeAfterDark]

What separates good Wizards from the great ones is whether they pick up Magic circle at levels 6.

[@linksstruepower7443]

Here's a question, if you polymorph a target into say, an Imp, they are now a fiend, which makes them a valid target for Plantar Binding, so say you bind them and then they turn back Into their original form, say a Human, how does the effect of Planar Binding work on the now that they are human again?

[@janus2773]

well, polymorph only transforms into beasts, and true polymorph is permanent if you maintain concentration for an hour. but if true polymorph is disspelled afterward, i would follow this part of planar binding "If the creature was summoned or created by another spell, that spell's duration is extended to match the duration of this spell." so once true polymorph ends, planar binding ends as well.

[@linksstruepower7443]

@@janus2773 I'm familiar with the limits of Polymorph, I just didn't feel the need to specify True Polymorph. I suppose the binding ending with the polymorph makes sense, that said, while it's active, you could use it to force information out of them if you change them into something intelligent and capable of speech.

[@janus2773]

@@linksstruepower7443 that is true, but i feel like there are easier ways to opgain knowledge if you have 9th level spells. that said true poly + pb is a pretty cool combo thative never thougbt of before and its basically only limited by what you can come up wirh

[@Spiceodog]

I’d like to see a video on magic jar, but it would take like 30 minutes to explain what it even does before you can tell us how to optimize

[@Spiceodog]

Corrrrrreeeeccccccttttt!!!!!!!

[@EnbyNomad]

The Chronurgist can actually do this combo pretty easily at level 10 with Arcane Abeyance

[@ultralight9625]

Their is but one weakness to.the spell, the entity in question is not your friend because you binded them, in fact they devolope a deep hatred of you more often than not. They only need to follow the letter of the order,.what is explicitly ordered, but will take every opportunity to subvert the contact and get themselves freed. Unless you give explicit instructions against murder, a devil or fiend might kill someone slightly in the way to their objective and tell people that it was you who is really responsible for that murder, or a angel might try to get hero's to help stop this evil man who planar binds the forces of good into serving them. They might also be able to request the gods themselves to stop this mage who is taking their servants. What I am saying is that their are spot of ways to make this spell a double edge sword that the players need to work really hard on maintaining if they want to break even.

[@booleah6357]

Nystuls magic aura could be useful too and potentially let you bind anything depending on how you rule it. You could become a Pokemon master.

[@dizzydoom4230]

It can't. Nystul's Magic Aura, in its spell description and intent is to, and I quote: "You place an illusion on a creature or an object you touch so that divination spells reveal false information about it." If it weren't for the purposes of fooling certain spells or effects, it'd probably be overpowered, given you could just morph your type into whatever. Not to mention it would fuck spells like Hold Person or Dominate Person sideways. Also, it has to be a willing creature as the spells say. I'm going to bet good money 99% of the time, you're trying to bind something hostile or potentially hostile. No creature typically WANTS to be an unwilling slave.

[@PackTactics]

Nystul is something I will never cover. It's too cursed.

[@booleah6357]

@@PackTactics fair enough

[@booleah6357]

@@dizzydoom4230 Actually under the mask part it does mention it changes how you appear to spells and magical effects. It's not worded well which causes debate and why it's such a cursed spell so that's why I said depending on ruling it could be good. The part about the creature being willing is still holds though which fair enough. I'd probably allow it at my table because I like shenanigans.

[@booleah6357]

@@PackTactics 100% a fact

[@thethingwithfins]

May I raise another point to the argument... There are multiple fey player races now... you can use this on changlings, fairies, centaurs, satyrs or hexbloods

[@FallenFromGlory]

xD

[@charlesyergensen8918]

Couldn’t you cast the spell to extend to binging.

[@ChaoticTrapper]

Damn Gator calling Kobold out

[@peterrasmussen4428]

Well the creature has to follow your commands, sure it can try to twist them, but just order it not to. Like your first command should just be something like "Fullfil my commands as you believe I intended them, not according to their wording." and your second command "If you feel there is ambiguiety in how to intepret a command, make me aware.". If you know any demon summoning NPCs, ask them what their list of 'starter' commands are. If they don't have one, make one together. Just like we in the real world have Isaac Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics", there would probably similar 3 laws of demon commands. (Hell, it might even be legal to summon demons, as long as you put them under certain commands similar to the 3 laws of robotics.)

[@peterrasmussen4428]

@@agilemind6241 "I believe you to be a sadistic idiot who intends the stupidest and self-harming meaning of your commands." This would already be breaking the wish, unless he honestly think you are such a person. "I believe you to be a sadistic idiot who intends the stupidest and self-harming meaning of your commands." Nope, doing this implies the devil had the power to kill you all along, wish or no wish. This btw is why you ask NPCs, because they know the rules of your specific world, and what safeguards you need.

[@irontemplar6222]

I guess people just have their DMs just hand out money like no tomorrow. Because I struggle to get this thing to work even once. Both finically and spell save wise. Plus unless you have an immediate objective it can accomplish otherwise its a waste pretty much. I'm going to watch the rest of the video, and see what he says.

[@The3rdFist]

Thanks for doing this for my favorite dnd spell you sexy kobold.

[@zenith110]

You know, planar binding is cool and all, but Gator calling Kobold a furry was really the takeaway this video.

[@arthurofalsen2110]

could you Planar Bind a Changeling PC?