Plant Based vs Low Carb Keto vs Mediterranean Diet: Optimal Heart Health

Thanks to Dr. Robert Ostfeld, MD for this speech at the Medical Executive Committee of SUNY Downstate Medical Center.
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[@PLANTBASEDNEWS]

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[@stevehumphries4928]

Man, I wish this wasn't true because I love a nice T-BONE STEAK! But I have been sick as a homeless dog for years and diagnose with just about everything digestive problem in the world. A few years ago I had an emergency gallbladder removed, for it mysteriously just died for some reason. From Acid reflux to IBS, from Contastaption, Chrones, and Diverticula, I have it. I was scared to death to eat anything, for as the next day I paid for it and just wanted to die. Anybody with digestion issues knows how it ruins your social life and afraid to leave the house! What was really weird was I hardly ate anything but I was still gaining weight ... up to 200lbs. My normal weight is around 165-170lbs. After seeing such videos on plant-based and doing according it all changed and I was very quickly seeing the benefits. Back down to 165lbs and I can eat again ... without the pain the next day. And I'm off all the drugs.

[@yyxy.oncesaid]

Good for you.Thinking about doing the same.Love my meat...damn it,but it beats the ulturnitive♠️

[@gregnixon1296]

Plant-based is the only diet that leaves me with energy, alertness, and feeling light. I didn’t start it for ethical reasons at all. I just wanted to feel better, and I do.

[@myrhev]

Glad you found something that works for you. I have tried different diets everything from WFPB vegan to Keto. I haven't found the magic bullet yet sadly. On Keto: -My acid reflux vanished 100% -I lost weight -I wasn't hungry all of the time and didn't overeat -My bloodwork was great (great blood sugar/a1c levels, great lipid profile, etc.) -My psoriasis was way worse than ever before On LF-WFPB: -Acid reflux improved vs eating anything diet -I lost a little weight but that stopped after a month or so -Skin improved to be better than it has in years -Bloodwork was okay. Lipids were great but blood sugar was pre-diabetic -Never felt completely satisfied, even after eating a high protein low-fat meal. No matter what there was always some hunger Aches and pains improved on both diets. Overall I just don't know. I enjoyed the food more on the the WFPB diet, but then I have never been a big meat eater and am allergic to the types of meat I like most (shellfish). I may have enjoyed the food more, but my blood sugar levels didn't. I would watch my blood sugar skyrocket even eating brown rice or other whole grains. At this point I just don't know what is best for me and I think each person should try everything until they find what works for them.

[@stevehumphries4928]

@@myrhev I tried a lot of things ... it helped for a bit than it stop working from vegan to keto, from probiotics and enzymes from smoothies, powders ... supplements I tried it all. I hate it when they incorporate Vegan and Plant-base like there the same, they are not the same! And it didn't work for me tell I knew the differences and went to a strictly plant-base, *no process foods of any kind and no oils!* Not even so call plant base meat. And I try to eat organically as possible. Its a bit more expensive but I can afford it now since I'm not buying any meat and or animal products. Another thing you might want to check into is HCL with pepsin. If you have a bunch of issues like me your doctor may tell you not to take this, most likely he\she will tell you not take this because all my doctors told me not to take take My last doctor said she was not going to treat me if I continued taking it. I told her out of the 15 plus years you doctors been treating me with all sorts of drugs and only the HCL is working, so I just fired her anyway, it was the only reason why I was their. Every dam doctor said I was producing too much acid and the gave drug to prohibit the producing of the acid. In the long run that's what made things worse. The problem as we age we don't produce the acid we need to digest, especial on a American diet and these GMO's. When I first took HCL I had to take like 8 HCL pills on a heavy protein meals. Over time I needed less, and now I only take 1 or 2. When we don't properly digest our food it basically ferments and rots inside you ... and over time you get sicker and sicker. Plus the blood work test they do will hardly tell you some thing wrong with your gut ... so I would depend on that too much. Other then the fact I also no longer need drugs for high cholesterol either.

[@scienceislove2014]

@@stevehumphries4928 not everyone needs to take HCL . .... AND IT can be really dangerous for some people like for eg me.. and yes someone people do produce less HCl and so they benefit from using applecider vinegar.. I know what triggers my acid reflux... -heavy meals , fatty food , etc

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

Ostfeld is great; he deserves more recognition in the plant-based community

[@landerhendrickx3522]

What he has against him is that he reminds people of a comedy actor :p

[@DavidSiciliano2100]

Plant based CULTmunity

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

@@landerhendrickx3522 which one is that again?

[@tjthemute]

@@DavidSiciliano2100 we're not the people sacrificing animals for no reason.

[@landerhendrickx3522]

Vegan For The Animals Ⓥ I think he reminds me of the actor that plays Marshall in How I Met Your Mother. :D

[@lottat6003]

I could not loose weight as a vegan for three years and was on my way to diabetes, was tired, had bad HS, thyroid issues and arthrities. I had to stop eating beans because they made me sick. I tried a pescatarian mediterranean keto diet with intermittent fasting and it worked well! I have lost 15 kg so far, my blood sugar is normal and I feel so good! I don't have nutrient deficiencies anymore! Vegetables, healthy oils like olive oil and coconut oil and whole food is the base in the healthy keto diet. If not, you're not doing it right. Starving and counting calories doesn't work for most people and many studies show this. More fat and less carbs, staying away from fast carbs like sugar is the way to go. My goal is to alternate between whole food vegan without sugar or fast carbs and mediterranean/pescatarian keto. My problem is that I get more hungry as a vegan, so I need to figure out how to get more fats in the diet. Avocado, olive oil, coconut oil and brazil nuts, pecans and macadamia nuts are good for that. Omega 3 in supplements and seaweed is important. Maybe doing one week vegan, two weeks keto will work for me. I'm all for a more plant based diet for the sake of ethics, the environment and health, but don't be a diet police! People are different and need different diets. Don't judge them for it, as long as they eat consciously. We don't change the world with an all or nothing attitude. If everyone eat more plants and less meat it will have a much better impact than if a few go vegan and the rest hate or dismiss vegans...

[@scienceislove2014]

Mediterranean diet was ranked no. 1 and keto 37..vegan didn't do that great either.. it was ranked 17.. But hey...choose what works for you.. and I'm glad to know that you care about ethics and environment.. red meat and bird flesh is a big no no for me.. Vegan diet worked just fine for me ...cuz i never did great on a whole food (take outs or junkies are just not allowed here....) Omnivore diet.. ate fish and liver (but my b12 was always very low.. probably had some problem with intrinsic factor.. ...so had to take b12 shots.. they did diagnose me with sjogren syndrom..excuse me if i spelled it wrong.. and arthritis..) ...and i don't have that any longer.. i continue to take b12 shots every alternate month... I used to take multivitamins..but they come with their own side effects....(the one i take is methyl cobalamin and Adenosylcobalamin.. vegan...cuz i care about the ethics ...)

[@scienceislove2014]

I don't eat fish..cuz of mercury toxicity...and accumulation of microplastic and other toxins in the tissues of the fish.. plus biomagnification and 10 percent law makes it worse

[@scienceislove2014]

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[@guillerah]

Low carb. High carb. Very confusing. You want to live long and be healthy. Eat real food, get active and sleep well. Stop instilling your diet is healthy, everybody is different.

[@BlackCoffeeee]

That was a very well thought out and balanced comment, something that's rare in this tedious diet debate.

[@HenchHerbivore]

Spoiler alert: plant based wins, hands down. And I’ve not even watched it yet! 😆

[@MrJavacash]

no it doesn't. Keto diets are the best. These doctors get it wrong every time its funny

[@MrJavacash]

@Nature's Ninja epidemiological.

[@allee3476]

@@MrJavacash Keto never fixed my erectile disorder but whole food plant based diet did. I guess you can say that the plant based diet erectified my issues by clearing the arteries. I guess you can call me an early riser, 😂.

[@MrJavacash]

@Nature's Ninja was it compared with keto or some shit standard american dietV

[@MrJavacash]

@Nature's Ninja keto is better. protects the nerves and carbs damage it

[@ChrisGaultHealthyLiving]

Well thought out video, very informative! My cholesterol level dropped over 40 points after I went vegan. I'm in the healthy range & I'm going to be 60 years old in a couple of months. Love plant-based, it works!

[@sportysbusiness]

Yes, plant based will lower your cholesterol but I hate to burst your bubble but cholesterol is ESSENTIAL for our health so lowering it means plant based DOESN'T work! Your body needs cholesterol to produce hormones like testosterone and vitamin D. It's a myth (or lie depending on your POV) that cholesterol is bad for you. I dare you to do some proper research and you'll be horrified to find that there is NO evidence to prove higher cholesterol increases the chance of heart disease, quite the opposite.

[@ChrisGaultHealthyLiving]

@@sportysbusiness there isn’t a medical doctor who will agree with you. Besides, most of us have more cholesterol than we need. I don’t know anyone who’s cholesterol is too low. Where did you get your medical degree? Harvard?

[@karlwheatley1244]

@@sportysbusiness "Yes, plant based will lower your cholesterol but I hate to burst your bubble but cholesterol is ESSENTIAL for our health so lowering it means plant based DOESN'T work!" Your body makes all the cholesterol you need, and the physiologically-normal level of LDL is ~35-70, exactly where people eventually wind up on a low-fat whole food plant-based diet. "I dare you to do some proper research and you'll be horrified to find that there is NO evidence to prove higher cholesterol increases the chance of heart disease, quite the opposite." On the contrary, as someone who researches and teaches about nutrition and nutrition myths in my university work, it is the idea that elevated LDL levels are not harmful that is the myth (but a very popular myth at that!). It is weaker studies with restriction of range problems or confounding variables that appear to find no relationship between cholesterol but the stronger experimental studies show a clear linear relationship between elevated LDL and more plaque buildup and major CVD events. Take care.

[@unholyquail4560]

@@sportysbusiness So umh.. Sporty you do know that our body can MAKE cholesterol and thus we do not have to INGEST it in order to have enough cholestrol for our daily function. Or did that biomechanical fact just flew right past you? Because it you take that into the equationt here is honeslty no need to ADD, ADDITION cholesterol into the body with the diet. So yea we need it to function, very glad we already make enough of it!

[@tinknal6449]

@@ChrisGaultHealthyLiving Just heard about a study that claims a total cholesterol level of 150 is optimal and both lower and higher levels had negative outcomes in comparison.

[@Benjaminimize]

Excellent talk. Whole food plant based is the way to go

[@brainfm-relaxation]

Beautiful video, thanks for sharing. Wishing you a wonderful day!

[@unicornguy9676]

That was epic. Thanks for sharing 🌱

[@ldjt6184]

He's my favorite doctor.

[@chrismartin7579]

The thing many people miss is that you are not REQUIRED to eat 5lb. of bacon a week on keto. I eat (big) salads with avocados and EVOO dressing about every day on keto and rarely eat bacon or red meats. The slide at 29:50 is VERY misleading.

[@mobydog99]

Except that too many keto promoters say you don't NEED carbs or even vegetables. And as the presentation says, where are the rigorous health studies - randomized over years, not 2 months - of keto outcomes? Nowhere.

[@jordixboy]

@@mobydog99 get ur data right. Most keto promoters well, some of them, you have to dig obviously. Will promote healthy keto with lots of vegetables low in carbs. Im on keto, neither I eat 1 kg of meat or bacon, but I do eat more veggies then ever. We need to stop this, threating diets as religions. Lets find some common ground here. Why do keto/carnivore/vegan work so well? What have they in common? Simple, no processed food, that's the key for long term health. We need to find balance thats all, vegies are perfect chemists, just like animals they dont want to be eaten, and their only defense mechanism is to produce toxins, which can cause dead or cause inflamation in our bodies. Oxalate in spinach e.g, if u abuse it, u have a 50% chance of dying. As said, stop threating diets as religions and find common ground.

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

@@jordixboy “you have to dig”?! Please, it’s *everywhere* no digging required. Keto dieters brag about their high fat, high meat consumption and “carnivores” are even worse Point is though, there are zero long term studies proving keto is *healthy* .Why? Because *keto is not healthy* . They’re fine for short term weight loss and that’s it… if you don’t change your diet after that weight loss to a low calorie dense diet (aka more plants/fruits), the weight comes back; it’s simple math because calories do count no matter how hard keto dieters cry. Keto simply takes your appetite away which results in weight loss. A plant based diet fills you up, promotes health and reduces appetite through increased fiber (which does matter, another keto talking point that fiber isn’t important. Ask your gut bacteria how important it is). If anything needs to stop, it’s this *stupid uninformed* opinion that oxlades are a threat. There are very few people that are sensitive to oxlades, and you’re probably not one of them but if you’re scared of spinach put some lemon juice on it and problem solved ffs

[@mysterical-]

Oxidised LDL goes down because a plant based diet doesn't include polyunsaturated seed oils. Keto and other diets, high carb, low carb, all dont include these toxic oils. & have anti-oxidants. The harmful effects of polyunsaturated fatty acids are mind blowing. It explains the confusion about fat or sugar causing insulin resistance. It's stored in your cell membranes & adipose tissues causing free radicals & mitochondrial dysfunction. It depletes fat soluble vitamins, it's obesogenic, I could just go on. Moral of the story: Stop eating those seed oils such as canola, sunflower and rapeseed. Highly highly processed.

[@idontthinkso6172]

And don’t eat a shit tons of carbs along side with fat ex: don’t eat burgers every day

[@thetruth14444]

POLY AND MONO WERE GOOD FATS I THOUGHT ?

[@mysterical-]

@@thetruth14444 They are more unstable compared to saturated fat. Poly's and mono's are fine in small amounts, its when you have too much which puts stress on the body, leaving cell membranes at risk of oxidation.

[@OatmealTheCrazy]

@@thetruth14444 They're fine when balanced, but the problem is most vegetable oils are extremely heavy on Omega 6, they also possibly go rancid quickly after extraction. Really, if you're going to get them, get them balanced and from whole foods rather than the extracted oil

[@mikafoxx2717]

Oh boy, more conspiracy theorists that think saturated fat is healthier than unsaturated. Best solution is to get rid of most of the fat, obviously.

[@theworld4991]

The main reason I started dieting was to get rid of cellulite, however keto made it unbearable.. That's why I tried the Agoge diet and it worked great

[@ardathtezeno8051]

my biggest issue is that I want to bulk but I hate eating, for me, eating is the boring part 😆

[@consolinirichellepreciosa7579]

definitely get this, works great

[@carnivoroussarah]

@@ardathtezeno8051 I hate eating too because I have digestive issues due to crappy lifestyle for 26 years of my entire existence. I wonder if that's why you hate eating too??

[@user-kp6ud7ht4z]

How did Leto make it unbearable?

[@rawvibe8815]

Great presentation! Very useful to share with others. Thanks

[@wendymcdowell2341]

Very interesting talk. And I especially appreciate you play Forks Over Knives on a loop for all the hospital patients! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@riyankusumo8231]

29:18 and 33:21 you are welcome

[@DalidaD]

Thank you!! :-)

[@mountaineer5596]

Great presentation. Good info. Thanks.

[@kathleenbefittwell8179]

Amazing presentation! When was this? It was funny to hear him say they don't have a study comparing Mediterranean to plant-based. Like Dr. Greger says, "until now!' Thanks to Dr. Barnard & PCRM.

[@tinknal6449]

PCRM is the medical propaganda arm of the animal rights industry. It carries zero credibility in the scientific community.

[@deepakhiranandani6488]

Very good, thanks.

[@andreagayle7510]

Beans, beans, they’re good for your heart...

[@MrJavacash]

according to what? epidemiological studies? LOL

[@DavidSiciliano2100]

Makes you fart a fckn lot

[@rohanbsharma]

@@MrJavacash actually, not just epidemiological! Clinical interventions head-to-head with medications I think- it’s in the first chapter of how not to die by Michael Greger

[@MrJavacash]

@@rohanbsharma yeha well they dont compare to the keto diet.

[@richardadams7667]

@@MrJavacash yeah keto backed me tf up before I woke and went vegan.

[@Showbizboy]

PBN seem obsessed with Keto. I would say the 3 diets mentioned here if done properly are going to be so much better than the Standard American Diet SAD that it’s a pointless made up war.

[@asarcadyn2414]

Absolutely. The bottom line is to avoid ultra processed food. That’s all you need to do.

[@mikafoxx2717]

Well, it's hard to say it can be worse than eating an average of 3400 calories of mostly oil, sugar, processed meat and white flour, while getting an average of 20 minutes of cardiovascular exercise. You could eat white rice with sugar sprinkled on top and still improve your health, compared to that.

[@petyodimov1849]

Thank you very much!🌳🥬🌞❤

[@UltimateHealthCheck]

Good video and information thank you ;)

[@suzied.8301]

Thank You

[@ashleyburks4639]

I just love everything/Everyone about/on this Channel!!

[@BachScholar]

Why are all plant based doctors always so obsessed with "cholesterol"?? This is really annoying.

[@ashleychittick574]

How do you find these plant based cardiologists? My cardiologist has never brought up diet or nutrition. When I finally asked about it he said "you're thin so whatever you're doing is fine".

[@karlwheatley1244]

That's crazy--being thin doesn't mean a person doesn't have heart disease. It's almost like your cardiologist doesn't understand heart disease, just how to assess it and treat it mechanically.

[@TraktorTarzan]

tbh, if youre very thin, hes correct. if youre normal weighted its a silly comment

[@MAli-py8mp]

Wow !!!

[@BowlerTheHatGuy]

Plant Based News: Plant Based diet is the best Keto Vlog: Keto diet is the best Low carb diet: Low carb is the best. Chose your station wisely.

[@mikafoxx2717]

Follow the nutritionists. Keto low carb groups arguments fall apart so quickly. It's just an echo chamber of the same talking points and poo-pooing of epidemiological studies - despite none of them defending smoking which was also proven by epidemiology. Nevermind the beef industry promoters like Nina Teicholz making 150k/yr to add to the pool of talking points for keto and doubting LDL and Sat fat. If you hear the same lie long enough, it becomes your truth. People like hearing good things about their bad habits.

[@Juice84]

I absolutely love listening to actual medical authorities speak very highly of a plant-based diet and why it is superior. I'm ready to see plant-based become even more popular in the modern world.

[@MrJavacash]

they lie. stop watching them

[@soilikasanen]

Nice to hear, Juice!

[@DavidSiciliano2100]

"actual medical authorities" = the ones that agree with my biased views. Again with the coma cringe inducing fallacious argument of appealing to authoritie

[@soilikasanen]

@@DavidSiciliano2100 Who is unbiased?

[@MrJavacash]

@@DavidSiciliano2100 bingo

[@apriltenney9015]

This is wonderful information! Especially on the Keto diet.

[@benhauber1979]

No, actually, keto was grossly misrepresented. What if I said I was going to test a vegan diet and only fed you apples, lentils, and walnuts? That's how ridiculous it is. There are keto vegans! Your doctor is comparing a healthy diet to an unhealthy diet. They just picked healthy foods for the vegan and unhealthy foods for the keto so they could get the results they wanted.

[@NoLefTurnUnStoned.]

@@benhauber1979 Yup...Typicall

[@metal89man]

@@benhauber1979 Exactly, a biased presentation. In addition to that, I had a friend doctor (she's advocating a plant based leaning paleo diet) who said, "you can be a dedicated vegan and yet be the unhealthiest person in the planet". Her reason is that most "vegan" foods in the market are HIGHLY PROCESSED for the sake of being "vegan". If you don't stop eating highly processed and refined carbs and sugars with some unhealthy fat from "vegan butter" and continue to have sedentary lifestyle, then you're just like digging your own grave.

[@gummybear41283]

@@benhauber1979 the keto diet almost killed me

[@benhauber1979]

@@gummybear41283 peanuts kill some people. That doesn't make peanuts poison.

[@dianaalexdaniel]

Awesome, Video 👍

[@sgaaleim419]

I was diagnosed prediabetic via incidental blood test . I went keto 6 months along with intermittent fasting and 10,000 steps a day. My A1c dropped from 6 to 5.9 after this drastic lifestyle change in 6 months .I am so surprised,discouraged and disappointed. Anyway this is pretty info here . Thanks

[@thornados4969]

It's probably because of your lower caloric intake, and avoidance of simple carbs and less processed products. The fresh plant foods are even better because they are anti inflammatory loaded with vit, minerals and fiber for good digestion and excretion of waste.

[@marshamiller406]

Thank you for this info. I'm trying to understand why a friend insisted on a plant based diet and I insist on the Mediterranean diet. There's a lot of crap out there that did not help her case, but this was very informative and now I understand why she chooses plant based. I appreciate you!

[@mikafoxx2717]

Either way you're both doing a hell of a lot better than most people. Ancel Keys chose Mediterranean because he thought it more approachable than the Japanese traditional diet that was at least as good for heart outcomes.

[@bensfouad]

I'm really confused wich diest is the best :( it's sane how it's complicated to know wich one has the right arguments (Plant Based , Low Carb Keto , Mediterranean Diet).......I WILL FAST

[@Ranch-girl]

I’ve been considering switching from keto to wfpb diet, just seems to make more sense to be healthy. However, please tell me how some of the carnivores say their blood work is great (exception of high cholesterol; which they disregard) but their CAC score is zero. How can that be after 10 to 15 years of only eating mostly fatty beef? I want the healthiest way possible due to family heart history. Appreciate any words of wisdom please!!

[@musicalbenches]

Whether fortunately, or unfortunately, my doctor does not disregard it. If I don't get my cholesterol down, she's going to stick me on medication.

[@OatmealTheCrazy]

CAC score is not an indicator of clear arteries, it's an indicator or plaque calcification. It doesn't mean you have no plaque buildup, it just means your plaques aren't past the point of no return

[@Ranch-girl]

@@OatmealTheCrazy oh wow, haven’t heard it that way before! Thanks for the explanation!!

[@asarcadyn2414]

The WFPB diet and Carnivore diet have two things in common - no ultra processed foods and either carb heavy or fat heavy macros. So make your choice, plants only or animals only but don’t mix carbs and fats equally. With plants only, you’ll likely need some supplements that you won’t need on an animals only diet, but that’s not a big deal.

[@mikafoxx2717]

Definitely go plant based. I did after 3yrs keto and it's certainly better. Once you learn the science you find how much of a facade the keto influencers are. Give Plant Chompers a watch, the one fact checking Gary Taubes. You'll see what I mean. Keto is only good for weight loss thanks to appetite killing. But plant based, you can eat pretty much all the food you want and the caloric density can be modified by adding or taking away nuts and seeds or adding more veg to keep you where you need to be. Have a look at the Canadian Food guide for an unbiased picture of what an ideal healthy diet is. Whole foods plant based without added oil, salt, or sugar is the only diet proven to reverse arterial plaques.

[@michaelpfuntner8109]

If you don't have portion control nothing works

[@svikram9]

It was nice to see someone give a more balanced view on this topic. Too often on this channel you are people using Hyperboles to describe WFPB diets. I like that here he spoke about just moving in the direction of WFPB shows benefits. Makes it more achievable than saying "do this or you did". Everyone deserves to know that every little effort they do matters.

[@suginami123]

Plant based keto. It’s fabulous. Easy to do. Delicious. A1c drops quickly. Weight losses are substantial. Keto vegan.

[@wawanat]

What do you eat mainly? Nuts and avocados? I'm thinking of trying it out.

[@rawvibe8815]

The doctor stated (20:00 @ 24:00 @ 26:00 min) that a keto diet may reduce your ability to consume any cabs without having your blood sugar skyrocket. Glucose is the source of brain function. There are many studies that suggest that a low carb diet contributes to lowered cognitive abilities, such as Alzheimer's. Do you believe you will be able to maintain a keto diet long term?

[@suginami123]

@@wawanat avocado. Nuts and seeds. Coconut milk. Lots of green leafy veg. Dark chocolate. I stir fry veg with garlic and make a rich spicy peanut sauce. Sometimes with coconut cream but not always. 3 liters of water a day. I usually eat 2 meals a day. Walk a lot. Some days I eat little bits throughout the day. To vary the pattered. I have a glass or two of red wine from time to time. It seems very easy.

[@suginami123]

@@rawvibe8815 good question. I make sure I have b12 regularly. I take electrolytes. Chia seed and flax seeds too for omegas. I find I have excellent concentration for reading too. I do not relish the idea of big carbs but my weight is now stable so I may start adding a small quantity of brown rice to see what happens. I have monthly blood and pee tests. My fatty liver has gone. I do not have any food cravings.

[@michaelpfuntner8109]

What do you eat on that kind of diet I'm interested

[@booklassygarrahan3929]

Excellent! Wish he could have talked longer!

[@chewiewins]

I have been doing Keto and it brought my HbA1C from pre diabetic to normal. LDL up though so been looking for alternatives. Now I see plant based with Blue Zone diet seems best. I will still eat some meat but try reduce amount significantly Thank you

[@thornados4969]

right approach. you protein but not too much because it hard for digestion causing constipation, stinky odor and inflammation.

[@SM-iw1fg]

Personally, Carbs reap havoc on my body. I do believe the plant based has major benefits but Mediterranean seems to work best for my body. My family lineage proves that with multiple 100 plus lifespans. Keto definitely has benefits if its wholefood based with lots of veggies. This guy and these studies seem to be a little biased neglecting to mention the elephant in the room....Sugar, fried foods, processed veggie oils and processed foods. There are plenty of super unhealth vegans.. Eating Oreo's and processed packaged "vegan" foods will make you unhealthy as well . Same for "dirty keto" dieters smothering everything in processed cheese. Everyone's body is different and your dna can help you figure out what you should be eating but they don't go into that..

[@mikafoxx2717]

Plant based does not mean vegan. Vegan is the spiritual thing, plant based means eating mostly unprocessed plants for health. No added oil, no added sugar, and little to no added salt is allowed in a healthful plant based diet.

[@SM-iw1fg]

@@mikafoxx2717 my point is all diets can be unhealthy if you don't stay away from processed foods and chemicals. Plant based might mean that to you but once again read the ingredients on "plant based" products and food.. There's a lot of BS added to the ingredients.

[@mikafoxx2717]

@@SM-iw1fg True, I don't think plant based meat is a health food. Vegan usually isn't health food, like Oreos. Plant based tries to be more health oriented like Mediterranean but goes a step further and also includes less added oils or salt or such.

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

Fantastic, factual information ❤️ #vegan #WFPBVegan

[@TheGuy..........]

Bruce Banner is a nutritionist now lol

[@cmj5281]

Thank you for this video! Loved it! 🫐🍓🍇🥦🥬🥒🌶🥕🌽🥔I still pray for the day “ when no one will say I am sick” Isaiah 33:24

[@brucegruetzmacher5891]

Kidney stones are caused by oxidates. An all Carnivore keto diet has no zero oxidalates. Avocados do. But I am shocked kidney stones are on the list of problems with Keto. I went KETO because I suffer from kidney stones? At least I did before .

[@mikafoxx2717]

That's because of purines from over protein consumption

[@DrSiddiqui]

Mediterranean 👍

[@garyburchgb]

Previously vegan/vegetarian, did not see an improvement in my overall health personally. I know now that I don't tolerate carbs very well. What is pictured as healthy, is not suitable for my body type. I've had a huge improvement in brain (near complete reduction in tics), skin improvements, increase in metabolism and weight loss on keto. Sadly a plant based diet just doesn't suit me. Everyone is different and I disagree with the keto side on this.

[@andressantamaria7991]

the point is that Keto should involve healthy meals including leafy green vegetables such as broccoli, spinach, kale etc, and other low carb veggies along with healthy fats derived for instance from seeds, avocados, and obviously some animal food in moderation (ie: fish like sardines, mackerel) --- and also fruits such as berries, melon ... So, it seems that the studies and arguments from Dr. Ostfeld used to debunk the Keto diet were merely comparing to processed meat, processed fats, etc and junk food.. which is not representative of a keto diet. And, something also important of a Keto diet is to follow certain eating time windows (usually 2 or 1 meal per day).. Anyway, my point is that imagine that I compare the healthy Keto diet vs "junk" vegan diet, which one would win??? so, I would not be so categoric in my affirmations. That's my opinion.

[@karlwheatley1244]

"Anyway, my point is that imagine that I compare the healthy Keto diet vs "junk" vegan diet, which one would win??? " The real question is clean keto vs. healthy very low fat vegan, and the evidence suggests the healthy very low fat vegan would do better.

[@andressantamaria7991]

@@karlwheatley1244 probably whole food plant based :)

[@benhauber1979]

Y'all over here like keto means carnivore. Two different things.

[@BrazillianFOsho]

Its not carnivore but if you’re not eating carbs most of your calories will inevitably come from meat, eggs or dairy because low-carb veggies are not very caloric.

[@benhauber1979]

@@BrazillianFOsho sigh. Keto is misrepresented everywhere that it is not liked. There is vegan keto, too. It's not as "us vs them" as you think it is. I eat lots of vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds. I don't just eat bacon eggs, and cheese like your caricature of keto. The sad part is that your caricature is what gets studied and compared to an alternative healthy diet. We don't get to see the truth, because the emotional bias gets in the way of even the science.

[@BrazillianFOsho]

@@benhauber1979 that’s a good point. And I really wish your version of keto was the majority. But unfortunately, as it stands, most keto dieters don’t go out of their way to “veganize” it, and instead fill up on excessive amounts of meat and dairy. And the truth is, its easy to fall on to meat and dairy on keto, it’s just more convenient. Maybe if keto gurus served as better examples and touted less meat-centric meals it would be a start.

[@greggray3741]

@@BrazillianFOsho www.timesofisrael.com/for-2-million-years-humans-ate-meat-and-little-else-study/

[@mikafoxx2717]

​Yep, they all tout it and I fell for it. Thankfully I went WFPB and doing much better these days.

[@mandilou8939]

What about vegan keto?

[@LionKingSimba84]

You did realize that the studies discussed in detail all are really not designed to do the comparison between balanced versions of the mentioned diets. Finally, comparing to a bad joke of a keto diet („equal parts of beef, pork, poultry, dairy“) makes this completely frivolous. Personally, Ive been on low carb for one year, have dropped massive weight, have massively reduced inflammation and autoimmunity. For me, grains are one of the most inflammatory rather than „one of the most healthy“ foods.

[@mikafoxx2717]

Have you directly compared the two? I have. 3yrs keto carni and whole foods plant based has everything running better. There's some adjustment period for the gut microbiome, though. Maybe two weeks.

[@markrosolini2934]

Was a vegan for 3 years , worst I ever felt , bloated, full or gas and felt like crap , changed to keto and everything changed , I think people are just different .

[@ccamire]

Quoting Ornish studies is sad given they have Zero grade score and lack many design issues

[@davidg.johnson7208]

I am Vegan and follow the McDougall plan of starches and vegetables. I have lost weight and kept it off for over a year, and feel great! The sad part of veganism is that the meat eaters and factory farming are causing global warming and may soon doom us all. I hope we are not the last humans!

[@TheHungarianOak]

hahaha what a load of bullcrap

[@mikafoxx2717]

​@@TheHungarianOakYeah, bull crap does indeed cause a lot of environmental problems as well.

[@phoenixfly8825]

Only time i had a better cholesterol diet i was keto but i do believe what really did it was one supplement called seabuckthorn oil blend that increased my good cholesterol...i was drinking one green smoothie per day so i honestly find it hard to believe doctors because they never gave solutions

[@kennethmoore3783]

NEJM: “In this study involving persons at high cardiovascular risk, the incidence of major cardiovascular events was lower among those assigned to a Mediterranean diet supplemented with extra-virgin olive oil or nuts than among those assigned to a reduced-fat diet. (Funded by Instituto de Salud Carlos III, Spanish Ministry of Health, and others.”

[@karlwheatley1244]

With all due respect, you are being duped there (but don't feel bad, millions of people and the media were also duped by that study). The PREDIMED study was funded by the olive oil industry, the walnut industry, and the government of Spain (world's #1 exporter of olive oil). Thus, their comparison diet was basically the Spanish version of the unhealthy and high-fat Standard American diet, but they made feeble attempts to tell folks in the control group to cut fat (so they only cut it by 1% over baseline, leaving them at around 37% calories from fat). By any reasonable standard, that is a medium high-fat diet--more fat than the average American diet. But because there were trying to make nuts and olive oil look good, their demon to slay is low-fat diets that have proven so effective against heart disease (and more). So they falsely labeled the control diet a "low-fat" diet, and most people took the bait, even that that is 3.7 times as much fat as the Esselstyn diet recommends, and six times as much fat as the post WWII Okinawans ate. Headlines around the world rang out that the Mediterranean diet with lots of "healthy fats" had beaten out a low-fat diet (and that helped nudge people towards the less healthy higher-fat fads that have become increasingly popular). Going deeper into the weeds, the thickest plaques actually got larger on the EVOO Med diet, and although the walnut Med diet did better than the EVOO diet, and plaques shrank some, rates of disease and death were still much higher than on a truly healthy VLF WFPB diet. Most recently, a cross-over experimental study with 62 overweight adults compared the effects of 16 weeks on a low-fat vegan diet versus 16 weeks on a Mediterranean diet (the same one used in the PREDIMED study). Both diets reduced blood pressure, with the Mediterranean diet lowering it even more, but the low fat vegan achieved more weight loss (the Mediterranean diet didn’t achieve any), and the vegan diet achieved more loss of visceral fat, improved insulin sensitivity (compared to no change on the Mediterranean diet), and significant reductions in LDL cholesterol (vs. no significant change on the Mediterranean diet). pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33544066/ That shows a low-fat whole food vegan diet to be superior (and by a significant margin, at least in the short run) to the diet usually considered to be healthiest. Take care.

[@karlwheatley1244]

@Evidence Based Health "You didn't answer any of the point and are back on Predimed again" I've answered dozens of your points, but to be honest with you, it's exhausting trying to explain basic scientific logic to someone who doesn't/won't even get that most nutrition science finding 10-20% improvements was only in comparison to very unhealthy diets and that the replacement foods may have been merely less harmful or neutral in effects, not having net proactive benefits. When you take one thing away and add one thing in, you can't let the magician fool you into thinking it was always the one added in that made things change. *sigh* And then you forget to notice when they switch from correlational language to causal language from one sentence to the next in the abstract of the studies you are sending me (if I was the reviewer of those manuscripts, then as I often do, I would have said they needed to remove the misleading causal language regarding olive oil). Since I'm writing a book and two manuscripts and have grading and house projects to do and books to read, please forgive me, but I'll chip away at your comments as I have time and inclination. So let's do this one: "They didn't get larger though, the study clearly states there were no changes in plaque." Lesson #1: When a study is funded by the industry that produces and profits from the foodstuff(s) being studied, don't believe everything you read in the abstract (or study) and be cautious in trusting the wording used. Look at the actual results the actual charts, and notice they avoided by a whisker the last chart reaching statistical significance (pun intended): A Sala-Vila, E S Romero-Mamani, R Gilabert, I Nunez, R de la Torre, D Corella, V Ruiz-Gutierrez, M C Lopez-Sabater, X Pinto, J Rekondo, M A Martinzez-Gonzalez, R Estruch, E Ros. Changes in ultrasound-assessed carotid intima-media thickness and plaque with a Mediterranean diet: a substudy of the PREDIMED trial. Arterioscler Thromb Vasc Biol. 2014 Feb;34(2):439-45. Six more months of eating Med EVOO, and they would have had p

[@karlwheatley1244]

@Evidence Based Health Thanks for your reply and link. "This is why its best to not always place blind speculative belief that vegan/plant-based diets are superior for everything." Uh, it wasn't blind faith at all: I linked you to the best head-to-head comparison I know of re: a VLF WFPB diet vs. a Mediterranean Diet, and the VLF WFPB diet clearly did better, and outperformed the Med diet on multiple key outcomes. Also, VLF WFPB diets have achieved the best results for weight loss, arguably the best results for diabetes, and the best results for heart disease. As for the study you linked me to, I was fascinated at first, but I quickly lost interest. I appreciate you sending it to me (I hadn't seen this one), but as has happened hundreds of times before, this diet bears no resemblance to the diet I am talking about, so it is irrelevant for our discussion. Among the yawning chasms between this diet and what I am talking about: the 36.6% calories from fat in the vegan diet is 2.4-4 TIMES as much fat as the range of diets I or Esselstyn or Barnard or others are talking about. THIS was exactly one of the problems with the straw man control diet in PREDIMED: It was a medium high fat diet, not a low-fat diet. Their SATURATED FAT intake alone is as much fat intake as the total fat intake would be for the fattiest of the range of diets I am talking about. Their 9:1 Omega 6:3 ratio was a disaster and vegan folks also didn't eat enough protein and their low fiber intake shows this was not a truly whole food diet. I don't even know what the researchers were thinking when they designed this. Take care.

[@karlwheatley1244]

@Evidence Based Health Thanks for your reply. "Yes, 10-20% in your eyes isn't impressive, which is exactly why I have asked you twice now to apply this same logic to the research there on wholegrains also, which also only show around a 20% reduction in diseases such as T2D, so I'm asking is this not impressive?" No, it's not impressive, that's a LOUSY outcome. THAT is the problem with nutrition research--settling for lousy results from mediocre diets when most cases of chronic diseases simply don't occur (or disappear) with a healthy-enough diet. Assuming people get sleep and don't smoke, on a truly healthy diet, obesity, diabetes, and heart disease are incredibly rare to nonexistent. Ditto for many of the other diseases of affluence (diverticulitis is non-existent in Africans eating over 100 g of fiber a day; gallstones are similarly unheard of in folks eating truly low-fat plant-rich diets), and rates of cancer are MUCH lower (although our polluted world is one factor working against us there). Chronic back pain, erectile dysfunction, eye diseases, and many other conditions become MUCH rarer when people stop injuring their bodies with food and eat foods that boost healing. "This is what the WFPB ideology is basically based upon 3 studies haha " That's hysterically funny: It's based on a mountain of research showing the best overall health outcomes are achieved when people eat whole food diets that are very low in fat and dominated by plant foods (vegan or very low animal foods). Rates of diabetes go down in step-wise fashion as your whole plant food score goes up (AND as your whole fruit score goes up). Etc. OBESITY: So far, the all-you-can-eat diet that has achieved the BEST weight loss after one year in a randomized controlled study is a whole food plant-based diet with 7-15% calories from fat. Notice that this is a fraction of the fat intake found in diets that Americans commonly but misleadingly call “low-fat” diets. www.nature.com/articles/nutd20173 thebroadstudy.com/ Significantly, the original intervention only ran three months, but people who were on the diet during the experiment kept on the diet and kept losing weight from three to six month, and then maintained their weight loss from six to twelve months. DIABETES: WHOLE food plant-based diets with 7-15% calories from fat (and most calories from WHOLE food carbs) bring diabetics’ blood glucose levels under control while having numerous other side benefits for heart health, inflammation, etc. For example, here is a randomized controlled trial in which a WHOLE food plant-based diets with 7-15% calories from fat brought diabetics’ blood glucose levels under control and lowered their LDL levels by 39% in just three weeks and on a diet with 73% calories from carbohydrates. To see an overview of the results, see the 2:47 mark in nutritionfacts.org/video/benefits-of-a-macrobiotic-diet-for-diabetes/ The direct link to the study is Soare A, Khazrai YM, Del Toro R, et al. The effect of the macrobiotic Ma-Pi 2 diet vs. the recommended diet in the management of type 2 diabetes: the randomized controlled MADIAB trial. Nutr Metab (Lond). 2014;11:39. You got any studies where's diabetics got their glucose levels under control AND dropped LDL from 102 to 62 in 3 weeks, while eating lots of fat or animal foods? Meanwhile, the actual dietary pattern I advocate for outperformed the Mediterranean Diet by a significant margin in the best head-to-head comparison we have. Take care.

[@karlwheatley1244]

@Evidence Based Health While you are critiquing me for bringing up PREDIMED, let's point out it is the largest, longest experimental study we have of what's supposed to be a pretty healthy diet, but the thickest arterial plaques got BIGGER in the group adding EVOO to their Med diet. Thus, the best long-term controlled evidence we have re: olive oil suggests we are better off without it. We want arterial plaques to all be shrinking, not enlarging. Comments? Defense of olive oil? And you can't assume OO was causal for minor improvements in health outcomes in studies in which OO replaced something clearly disease-causing. The most logical position is we are better off eating whole plant foods, which gets us the polyphenols without the processed concentrated fat.

[@Cedrus1952]

Plant-Based is the winner...hands down.

[@MassMultiplayer]

vegan now regret never

[@TheFireGlory07]

Just stop eating processed foods, seed oils, refined sugar and you’ll do well. That’s what explains why people do well in both diets.

[@monicagomes3023]

I dont understand the concept of "plant based diet" ... its like if you eat one or too porcions a day from meat and eggs or fish is "animal based diet". Well, gess what, the base of my dietary style is plant based, because i eat a lot of plants also, i would say, my plate is 75% plants, so what a eck!!!!

[@gerardbird6423]

Don't know what this guy is about, I'm 5 years omad keto and 30 K down maintained nutritional ketosis and fixed pre diabetes, hypertension, IBS. And I can now fix my irregular ventricular depolarity, going ten years z now in keto, and this sounds just funded not scientifically accurate, like to see some data

[@garyroberts3859]

What if you’re wrong…many drs online promote the opposite…high fat/ low carb, KETO. IS THE WAY TO GET THE SAME BENEFITS. very confusing for the layman.

[@mikafoxx2717]

What if pigs fly? If your doctors are ones with their medical licences revoked, or actually chiropractor Scientologists, you really need to get your head out of the conspiracy theory zone and read unbiased science.

[@williamhartman9]

I wanna see millions of views on these videos,instead everyone is watching sports,pop music and other nonsense you tube videos,we can do better people.

[@carnivoroussarah]

Lol I just got an ad from Thomas DeLaur advertising Thrive Market. What a shill.

[@twinkletoes2717]

Go greens

[@TheVitalij24]

Dr.Berg is not happy

[@myopenmind527]

Makes me wonder what kind of a cardiologist he is if he’s talking about stable blockages when he probably means stenoses.

[@bobmolleman8849]

When are vegans going to talk about vegan children being at risk? Or people that do terrible? There are many studies on this but people fail to acknowledge them and say there is "no true vegan".

[@anonimogonzalezperez4951]

Two vegan children from birth, healthier than average. Though they are not vaccinated too. Maybe that is the key.

[@JustMe-pq7je]

Lets keep ot simple. Eat whole plant base and you be fine. We don't need religion tags on diets.

[@pepper419]

Vegan is a religion diet. Get away from it.

[@neilgrossbard2511]

I am 81 years old. I have been eating a keto diet to control my form of reactive hypoglycemia for about 17 years. Most people with reactive hypoglycemia get low blood sugar when the eat protein. I do not. Most people raise their metabolism when the eat a keto diet (thriftygene.net (no ads, no promotion)). I do not and therefor I do not lose weight. Women with my gene get gestational diabetes.

[@KameshwarChoppella]

Wonder what a vegan keto will do

[@pepper419]

It's possible, but very hard work. You'd be better off with a natural vegetarian keto. Vegan is unnatural.

[@SaschaBurkhardt]

sorry, you didn't consider at all one of the possible healthiest diets: vegan (high protein) ketogenic diet with ration of kcal like 65% fats 25-30 prots 10-20 net carbs with carbs

[@mikafoxx2717]

How would this be healthiest and where are the scientific studies to show it as such? Keto is only good for appetite suppression. Only low fat whole food diets have been shown to reverse atherosclerosis.

[@harryturnbull4781]

Whats the point of this? There are zealots on both sides. You need independent scientific info from the Zoe programme and Jessie Inchaussie (Glucose Goddess) in particular.

[@VeganDuchess]

Healthy heart 💓-Vegan 👈😁

[@MrJavacash]

no your heart gets killed your heart runs on ketones preferably (this is from a physiological textbook LOl). Stop eating sugar and kill animals

[@mushypeasplease8872]

@@MrJavacash - one of you comments on here is "fibre is not esential". I wouldn't want to be around you after avoiding fibre. 😂🤭😳

[@MrJavacash]

@@mushypeasplease8872 because it's not.

[@carmadefries3729]

@@MrJavacash dude, please stop. Your ignorance is astounding. Nutritionfacts.org I'm sorry keto isn't healthy. I know that's not what you want to hear. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@reecemesser]

@@MrJavacash Keto is garbage.

[@TraktorTarzan]

even though plants are an essential part of a healthy diet, and your diet should be mostly plants. i think its insane that doctors never addresses the issues of vegan diets, in regular people. especially the research on pregnancies, breastfeeding, and every step of the early development stage. also the issues we see in the elderly. A lot of the vegan benefits stems from the weight mangement, which is really good thing, but a lot of the research dont equate for this. which i find insane. There will litterally be a study on veganism, in regular people, showing some severe issues like development issues in kids, then they brush it over and just say we should supplement. which kinda crazy, cause we dont see the behaviour to the same extent in other research. And studies on all cause mortality studies on veganism is very conflicting. where they struggle to show an decrease in mortality rates. Also how so much research on meat becomes an indirect measurement of plant intake. Lots of epidemiology studies dont equate for plant intake. And people who eat a lot of meat tend to eat low amounts of plants. Meat does show issues, if your plant intake is low, yet those negative effects get negated if your plant intake is high. however, so few studies highlights this. I would like to add that i dont push any diet. The best diet is the one that allows you to have a stable, healthy weight. Ones with high plant content are prefered.

[@garyroberts3859]

You must be horrified at dr Eric Westman’s famous page 4 eating pattern…but he’s been getting great results for 20 years with his patients. Where were you 20 years ago?

[@xmarine11]

"Movement" .... yep a bowel movement ... LMAO

[@antonjoubert6980]

Sounds like an unethical study, as soon as effectiveness was demonstrated ALL patients should have been put on the effective treatment? Who did this study?

[@derwinbonney3260]

I'm vegetarian ,Dropped the carbs and went keto , within 4 days my blood sugar dropped 50% . And something he probably knows , with the loss of sugar/carbs in the blood , your body coverts protein to sugar to maintain the 5 grams of sugar your total blood contains

[@trishalsua]

So keto was better for you?

[@derwinbonney3260]

@@trishalsua Yes , since getting the carbs and sugar out of the diet and not over indulging on protein. I still eat Kale , spinach, Avocado, and a host of other vegetables and fermented foods but my main fuel has changed to dietary fats on one meal a day . Blood sugars and blood pressure both reduced ,no longer on any insulin resistance drugs and down 12 lbs . Just a different way to be healthy ,

[@derwinbonney3260]

@atentoasuapalavra4394 yes , even within the ldl there are dense and carrier . Triglycerides are a better marker , imo

[@nhannguyenthanh5217]

I have a bit of problem seeing this Dr. attacking Keto/Low carb diet. I have to reduce my carb intake because of my blood sugar. One potato would bring my blood sugar to 8, 9 level. I do eat fresh fruits but one banana would make my blood sugar shot up too. As the Dr. said I just mask my problem but it is still better than with my high blood sugar turns me into a diabetic if I keep eating high glycemic index fruits. One thing I find about research is that one can always find a research which supports one's belief. I have to do what is right for me (which I can verify). I do eat a lot of vegetables (BTW this is keto diet too).

[@karlwheatley1244]

WHOLE food plant-based diets with 7-15% calories from fat (and most calories from WHOLE food carbs) have been repeatedly demonstrated to bring diabetics’ blood glucose levels under control while having numerous other side benefits for heart health, inflammation, etc. For example, here is a randomized controlled trial in which a WHOLE food plant-based diets with 7-15% calories from fat brought diabetics’ blood glucose levels under control and lowered their LDL levels by 39% in just three weeks and on a diet with 73% calories from carbohydrates. To see an overview of the results, see the 2:47 mark in nutritionfacts.org/video/benefits-of-a-macrobiotic-diet-for-diabetes/ But you need to reduce fat consumption to reduce the insulin resistnce before your body can process that potato more easily. The direct link to the study is Soare A, Khazrai YM, Del Toro R, et al. The effect of the macrobiotic Ma-Pi 2 diet vs. the recommended diet in the management of type 2 diabetes: the randomized controlled MADIAB trial. Nutr Metab (Lond). 2014;11:39. Many people can’t believe a diet that is very high in carbs can cure diabetes for most people but that is because a) they never got their fat intake low enough (~10-15% of calories) to cure their insulin resistance, and b) the carbs they were eating were processed carbs that cause a faster rise in blood glucose levels than do WHOLE food carbs-especially when whole food carbs are eaten in the context of lots of vegetables and fiber. In reality, all large, slim, and relatively diabetes free populations have historically gotten most of their calories from whole food carbs-rice, wheat, barley, potatoes, farro, millet, sorghum, spelt, corn, etc. Take care.

[@greggray3741]

@@karlwheatley1244 www.timesofisrael.com/for-2-million-years-humans-ate-meat-and-little-else-study/

[@karlwheatley1244]

@@greggray3741 That study is like a bad joke, and I don't have time to figure out how they got it so wrong--other than they appear to have overgeneralized based on limited data (and possibly motivated by personal ideology). "The researchers believe humans only began moving toward a diet that is much more plant-based some 85,000 years ago, possibly as a result of a decline in larger animals as a food source." That's a joke. We have direct evidence of humans eating lots of plant foods in lots of places far longer ago than that. At one site in ISRAEL of all places, people were eating five dozen different plant foods 700,000+ years ago. Humans were eating COOKED starches at least 120,000 years ago and another recent study indicated humans had developed adaptations to starch before homo erectus--suggesting significant starch consumption. IN other words, there is lots of direct evidence that contradicts their hypothesis. I wonder whether these researchers even READ the other research in the field. But hey, thanks for sharing this--I hadn't seen this one.

[@lairheron9489]

But I like eating fish and eggs:(

[@AlanForde-CheyneMS]

so eat them in moderation just not everyday

[@pepper419]

Eat them, they're good for you.

[@asarcadyn2414]

Anyone who believes processed meat is as bad for you as plutonium needs to rethink their perspective on life.

[@nikhilraniga]

I don't belong nor do I identify with any diet group. I'm after the truth. It's really confusing and disheartening to see so many scientific based lectures from each camp boasting benefits and literally contradicting each other at every point with Science. Who is one to believe? There needs to be an unbiased look at all this instead of each camp fully identifying with their respective "diet. The unbiased presentation should take into account the strongest studies that oppose whatever view is being presented and answer to it instead of ignoring them. The small jokes and jabs makes it difficult to take it seriously and it leads me to believe their disdain for one or the other camp is personal and not entirely to getting to the truth. It should be collaborative. Based off studies the Inuit people started seeing major health issues due to the fact that Western foods were more accessible (canned goods, packaged foods etc). From being perfectly healthy for over 4000 years they've seen a notable rise in cardiovascular disease and obesity. Why were studies looking at processed red meats and not meats that are closer to the pre-industrial era? I grew up as a vegetarian, I then ate select basic real meats and seafood, back to vegetarian and landed on just eating seafood with mostly vegetables. If anyone can recommend someone that has no personal identification with how they live their life and looks at the various camps with objectivity and actually takes the top scientific based arguments and responds to them please share! This lecture, while interfering, is not addressing the entire picture and it's leaving critical data and research out that needs to be looked at and investigated.

[@anonimogonzalezperez4951]

It is not true that Inuits were perfectly healthy before modern foods. It is another bullshit from paleo, keto and that kind of gurus and pseudosoctors. They even live longer now than on their traditional diet. The evidence in favour of a plant based diet is not only epidemiological and it is far more articulated than keto and meat centered diets.

[@infra1]

​@@anonimogonzalezperez4951 I'm not inclined to completely agree other than that keto/carnivore zealots take these people to be their prime example of health and discount the fundamental genetic differences with there rest of the globe that allowed them to have lived in their region for over 5,000 years. It is in fact true that the access to westernized foods (presumably from the uptick of remote access points) in the form of packaged/preserved/processed goods (carbs/sugar/flour/etc), they saw a notable increase in health issues from a group that studied their way of life and noted the dilemma. This is more or less true for the world to be fair. From my understanding, it isn't any different from the rest of us in that their bodies weren't outfitted to handle the type of diet in conjunction with their own. From my reading, the access to modernized medical care had an impact on life expectancy as their lifestyle is more hazardous (this is true for all peoples) and I did see notes around the way certain foods were treated (contamination, heavy use of wood/smoke) that created disease but not explicitly because of what they were eating but more so around handling/preparation. There are also notes on their biological disposition towards their diet compared to others around the world. We all are aware of the global epidemic around cancer, heart disease, autoimmune, neurological disease and it seems that all links to food quality and modernized processing of food. It's difficult and expensive to find real whole foods, but ironically more accessible in a lot of remote regions or isolated groups of people as they have no choice but to live off the land. It's also fair to say that their diet isn't 100% carnivore; they have a decent selection of seasonal vegetation that they include in their diet, but evidently it's not a large portion of it and that's an ecological restriction. In general though, there doesn't seem to be a lot of concrete scientific studies around the Inuit and given the fact that it's nearly impossible to do a proper *controlled* study in the modern first world, I can't see it being easier for a remote group with low numbers that would take it a very very long time to get any statistical significance. If you have any evidenced based scientific sources, I'm keen on reading more and understanding this.

[@davidusnazarus1700]

ok i will replace 3% of calories with plant based sugar and plant based flour.

[@karlwheatley1244]

OR replace 90-100% of animal calories with WHOLE plant foods.

[@pepper419]

Plant based sugar and flour? There's no such thing as animal-based sugar and flour. Have you ever known an animal to count calories?

[@larryorr6689]

My diabetes’s went away and my blood pressure is avg 117/72 due to keto diet it works and I feel great I’m not knocking vegan it’s great just be careful with carbohydrates I did it for ten months I think keto has edge

[@annoyedaussie3942]

Everyone should stop saying "Mediterranean diet" , it's the same diet everyone pretty much had (excluding particularly cold areas that were meat heavy) before wealth and highly processed food. It could just as easily be called the Okinawan diet or more appropriately "the government recommended diet", although there might be outliers every wealthy country in the world has as government recommendations a version of the "Mediterranean diet". The conspiracy theorists all say it's the government's fault, well no, the government didn't tell you to eat KFC , Macca's and Burger King for every meal, they recommend against it but give choice for people to ignore them otherwise you would be issued with fast food ration tokens stopping people buying rubbish food from a nutritional perspective which let's be honest we all enjoy.

[@BAM-BAM]

How about a whole living wild (NO GMO "Including forced mutagenic irradiated hybridised" and unnatural species genetic DNA RNA spliced" . nothing moderately, highly or ultra processed . excluding selective breading) food plant based diet ???? No one talks about a natural human diet, everybody likes talking about products and not food.

[@sebtanner4975]

How exactly is GMO unhealthy?

[@BAM-BAM]

@@sebtanner4975 Causes inflammation , anti nutrient , low plant nutrition content , gut flora destroying , dis-ease causing , ecosystem destroying mainly soil microbiome and nutrient depletion , all of them require toxic chemicals to prevent infestation and because of the low plant nutrition dis-ease . All of these have been scientifically unequivocally objectively demonstrably proven to be factual With no other proof otherwise and there are many more reasons. 1st in far most anything man makes is poison 2nd of all creation cannot recreate "it" , Nature cannot regrow "it".

[@BAM-BAM]

@@sebtanner4975 My question to you is do you have any proof based on evidence in reality that GMO'S and the products containing GMO products are beneficial in any way and does not cause harm because so far absolutely none is in existence ,' unless you believe in religion over knowledge " I promote truth not belief and all of life on this Earth could benefit from the knowledge if you have it ..

[@sebtanner4975]

@@BAM-BAM Well on Wikipedia it states "there is a scientific consensus that currently available did derived from GM crops pose no greater risk to human health than conventional food". Unless you have a specific claim I have to accept they are correct in this and just take the benefits provided by the modifications. I also see the future in vertical farming so I'm not too bothered by what is 'natural'

[@BAM-BAM]

@@sebtanner4975 Observable repeatable scientific and gathered data based in reality has proven otherwise. Wiki pedia is very rarely if at all correct on any matter and is controlled by those who want to keep control of their resources AKA people who BELIEVE their logical fallacies and lack knowledge of truth.

[@tommy2c]

Nowhere in this presentation was there a discussion of what impact even healthy carbs and whole grains have on blood glucose, metabolic syndrome or the impact of spiking glucose levels have on one's health. This was a pure hatchet job on anything other than a vegan diet. It's unfortunate because I like following the Mediterranean style of eating, which has much support around the world and in blue zones, yet this physician felt the need to say, yeah, it's OK, but vegan is still better. I've seen no credible studies that confirm this. Even Dean Ornish, who I have great respect for, performed his studies a long time ago. I believe all these studies have become meaningless because they don't incorporate much of the modern findings around the microbiome and the impact of glucose spikes and the production of free radicals they cause. The war between plant-based and keto is like listening to dems and repubs debate...both trying to convince you how wrong the other side is...very disappointing...

[@ElHolyBoy]

The diet that seems healthiest after all of these contradictory studies and presentations is the breatharian diet. The eat nothing diet. The anorexic diet. All of this shit leads to tremendous psychic discomfort and confusion.

[@valentinofogarty9943]

Kinda obvious what the result would be given the channel. Go on a keto channel and that is the best. Go on a carnivore channel and that is the best. Do whatever works for you.

[@suicune2001]

I bet if we got a population of Inuit and switched them to a low fat WFPB diet and show how much healthier they are eating that, all the keto and carnivore people would have to STFU about Inuit. lol

[@greggray3741]

Doubt it. www.timesofisrael.com/for-2-million-years-humans-ate-meat-and-little-else-study/

[@suicune2001]

@@greggray3741 I HIGHLY doubt that's true given our current biology: We have SEVERAL DNA and enzymes in our saliva that helps us to digest starch. We have the most out of any species. We should be classified as "starchivores." Our brains run on glucose. We have a starch taste bud which is on the tip of the tongue next to sugar and is linked to pleasure. We have a taste bud that can detect fatty amino acids and is on the back of the tongue next to bitter and is linked to disgust. LDL has been found to be CAUSAL in heart disease. It's not whole starch, fruits, or vegetables that raise LDL. The Inuit have high rates of stroke. High protein and high acidic diets cause kidney stones, fatty liver disease, osteoporosis, and kidney disease. The Inuits have high rates of osteoporosis. Excess protein causes things like tumors and cancers since it triggers IGF-1. The Inuit have a genetic variant which prevents them from getting into dietary ketosis. Being in ketosis long term is so adverse to human survival that only the Inuit with this variant survived to pass on their genes. No one else has this variation. We can't make our own vitamin C like carnivores can. We can't regulate our cholesterol like carnivores can. We can only absorb about 25 grams of protein at a single meal. We're not omnivores. We're BIOLOGICALLY herbivores. We're just herbivores with an ego.

[@greggray3741]

@@suicune2001 Our ancestors were carnivorous super-predators. Our ancestors evolved to be super-predators, with meat eating and sharing a key survival strategy for our kind for millions of years. The debate about meat, and whether we humans have evolved to eat it, has to be one of the best examples of bullshit seen on the web. It has largely lost all sense of the complex reality of food choice behaviours. Far too often it tries to rewrite our evolutionary history by invoking pseudoscience. Some pro-vegetarian or vegan-promotingwebsites mistakenly claim that humans shouldn’t eat meat because we evolved to be herbivores. The substance of their arguments is often traceable back to the influential but pseudoscientific views of vegan physician Milton R. Mills. No matter what the most militant of vegans or vegetarians would like to think, there’s an abundance of scientific evidence that we humans evolved to be predator apes. Our ancestors were highly skilled hunters and meat was widely eaten and highly prized. While hunter-gatherers varied considerably in terms of how much meat they consumed, none of them was vegan. Such diets simply wouldn’t have been available or viable options for them anyway. Our human ecological and life-historystrategy evolved around acquiring and sharing hard-to-catch, but large pay-off foods such as big mammals and fish.The earliest examples of stone tools used for acquiring and processing food have been found in Africa and date to around 3.3 million years old. Butchered and defleshed bones from around the same time indicate clearly that early humans were butchering large mammals for food. We have long lower limbs and a narrow trunk and pelvis. Our ribcage is barrel-shaped rather than shaped like a funnel with a bulging gut, like chimpanzees’. The muscles of our shoulder are decoupled from those of our neck because they aren’t used for climbing, which aids the need to counterbalance the legs and reduce rotation of the head when running. Many of our lower limb muscles and their tendons - like the gluteus maximus, iliotibial tract and Achilles tendon - are also adapted for running. We have large ankle bones, arches across two directions of the foot, and the ligaments of the foot absorb energy when we run, releasing it during toe-off. Our big toe has been brought into line with the other toes, losing its branch-grasping abilities. Humans have sparse and short body hair and between 5 million and 12 million eccrine sweat glands that can produce up to 12 litres of water a day to help prevent hyperthermia. Study: Vegan and Omnivore Patients

[@greggray3741]

A group of researchers studied the impact of a vegan diet on wound healing after surgery. After six months, vegans were more likely to experience splitting of the wound/scar, have the worst scar spread, have the most frequent atrophic scars, and have higher SCAR scores than omnivores. They were also more likely to have lower levels of iron and vitamin B12, nutrients that are important for wound healing. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32769530/?Chris%20Kresser&_hsmi=114784966&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_OmUTle20-yxu8cgw6zZDhLVnoMO_lXoBAGMP3A9oFzoRNM-NYo-x08nP6hukJ0yyK9dPfMlw7CRLpXElEvjxCebfGow&

[@suicune2001]

@@greggray3741 What does ANY of that stuff you posted have to do with the MECHANISTIC data I provided? It's funny you mention how we sweat because HERBIVORES HAVE SWEAT GLANDS. Carnivores don't. A species that ate nothing but meat wouldn't have brains that run on glucose. A species that ate nothing but meat wouldn't have digestive enzymes to digest starch. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6516957/ A species that ate nothing but meat wouldn't get into dietary ketosis. A species that ate nothing but meat SHOULDN'T HAVE MEAT AS THE NUMBER 1 AND 2 CAUSE OF DEATH WORLDWIDE. www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death Or are you going to say broccoli and potatoes causes heart attacks and strokes? You thinking you're some kind of badass predator getting your meat from the grocery store or drive-thru isn't going to save you from a heart attack or getting erectile dysfunction. The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics is the world's largest organization of food and nutrition professionals and they give the green light for eating a 100% plant-based diet. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/ Proof that LDL is CAUSAL in heart disease: academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/41/24/2313/5735221 The optimal LDL is between 50 - 70 mg/dl:www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109704007168?via%3Dihub The CDC states to eat a low fat whole food plant-based diet to avoid a heart attack: www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/prevention.htm The CDC has the same guidelines for preventing a stroke: www.cdc.gov/stroke/healthy_living.htm A study that explains renal acid load and how it affects the bones and kidneys: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3604792/ Mechanistic data showing it's intramyocellular lipids (fat) that causes diabetes: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14960743/ They tested this theory with an omnivore group vs vegan group. The vegan group was 31% more insulin sensitive: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15523486/ Here is a study showing a low fat whole food diet can increase insulin sensitivity in non-diabetics in as little as 16 weeks: www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/10/2/189/htm The World Health Organization classified processed meat as a Group 1 carcinogen because it has been proven to cause colorectal cancer. Red meat is a Group 2A carcinogen because of strong mechanistic data showing it can cause cancer but limited evidence. www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr240_E.pdf Even the shitty industry-funded USDA dietary guidelines say to eat less than 10% of your calories as saturated fat and to keep cholesterol and trans fats AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. www.dietaryguidelines.gov/sites/default/files/2020-12/Dietary_Guidelines_for_Americans_2020-2025.pdf And that's not even bringing up zoonotic diseases. Bird flu, swine flu, mad cow disease, influenza, ebola, AIDS, SARS, vCJD, MERS, and even the common cold came from our domestication of animals. The CDC has several links about zoonotic disease. Leukemia is starting to be recognized as a zoontoic disease we're getting from cows. When was the last time we had a pandemic because of soy? Human taste bud for starch which is linked to pleasure: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27553043/ Human taste bud for fat which is linked to disgust: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26142421/

[@craigsmachineshop2040]

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[@rachelspung4442]

The more vegetables I ate the more malnourished I became. I lost hair, my nails were extremely brittle, my vision got worse and I developed severe reflux and prediabetes. There's no one size fits all diet. Meat saved my life. Even if my life is shorter I'm happy I no longer have these issues anymore. For all the haters out there I was strict paleo majorly plant based when this all happened.

[@jarettp1]

Your life won't be shorter. You made the right choice.

[@tjthemute]

So your argument is that you ate vegetables and things were bad for you, but then right at the end you let us all know that you were paleo and majorly plant based. Did you ever think that maybe not eating grains and legumes was the issue? Were you also eating fruits along with your vegetables?

[@rachelspung4442]

@@tjthemute I stopped eating grains and legumes for autoimmune issues and my blood sugar. After taking those foods out I wasent getting any better unfourantely even though I was increasing my vegetable intake. Yes, I ate a little fruit. When I developed severe reflux I couldn't eat anything except meat. My body literally rejected 99.99% of foods for a year. Everytime I would reintroduce food my body would be a shit show all over again. My entire point of the post was that every body is different. I shared my diet because people are cruel and only want to hate you because it's different from what they're doing for their health.

[@rachelspung4442]

@Evidence Based Health nice argument but unfortunately you don't have my blood work. I went to multiple doctors about this I didn't self diagnose. Stop putting everyone in ONE category it doesn't work for everyone.

[@rachelspung4442]

@Evidence Based Health I never assumed you were a vegan not sure why that's relevant. I was not undereating again you don't know my medical history and I'm not about to share my blood work with you.

[@anir8023]

What a lies about Mediterranean diet ! Greeks Eating their goat cheese, olive oil, olives, bread, and meat on a daily basis !!!!

[@tinknal6449]

This guy is agenda driven. He would never share data that doesn't confirm his bias.

[@j.s.8196]

What a load of BS regarding Keto...🧐

[@pepper419]

Granted. I've been keto for thirty years. If you keep away from sugar completely it's the best thing you can do for yourself in the whole wide world.

[@pkp2023]

This is all wrong, animal products are the best things to eat.why animal products because only animal fat and protien has things which make you fast for longer times, and health improves by fasting not by eating something. anything you eat more often the more sick you become, vegeterians and vegans eat all day . that is the secret, no one knows, but only believe that eating someting makes healthier. look at wild animals, they ar in perfect shape. they eat only when they get food, but because humans have found easier ways to get food to table, thats what is more sickening . and people dont know these things or dont understand. 3 meals a day is the norm for all vegeterians or vegans or even 6 meals . thats more sickening

[@williamhartman9]

The data from fossilized human feces shows upwards of 100 grams of fiber,that’s a lot of plant eating ,animal products have zero fiber, how do you respond

[@pkp2023]

@@williamhartman9 i noticed , that after switching to the carnivore diet, i don't need fiber in food to excrete. also the more often you eat , your gut bacteria do not get any rest . the more fasting you do, your gut bacteria get more rest, there by improving health. vegetarians and vegans cannot fast, in fact the vegeretian grains and responsible for celiac disease.

[@miggi8144]

I'm vegan and I fast every day. I generally don't eat until 1pm (lunch). I only eat twice a day. My energy levels and health stats are great. I just had my bloods tested. Im a 31 year old male. I train ever morning, usually run or do weight training. I have plenty of energy to look after my one year old daughter and I'm writing a PhD on top starting a business. My plant-based ethical diet allows me to live an energy intensive lifestyle. I totally agree with you about fasting. Everyone should fast and eat less. Moderation of any diet is key.

[@dipsy1965]

I'm vegan 55 yrs old and I fast during Ramadan. But fasting is by the by I have come off medication. Forgetting health for a minute I love animals and I certainly wouldn't want anyone to kill my pets for humans consumption!

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

You make a lot of mistakes here. 1. "This is all wrong" you say. Oh yeah? There is a ton of evidence to support it 2. There is not significant evidence to support your "carnivore" diet being healthy, especially long term. Anecdotes are the weakest form of evidence. Long term, the more animal products you eat, the higher your risk of mortality, as well as increased disease rates. 3. You state that vegans and vegetarians can't fast. Simply not true at all. Do you just like to make stuff up? 4. Your "diet" is terrible for the animals and the planet, not sustainable on any level. 5. I recommend you check out the channel "Nutrition Made Simple". Objective, science-based info on nutrition.