Plant Breeding Ethics To Follow & Major Mistakes To Avoid! (Garden Talk

[@GardenTalkwithMrGrowIt]

Thanks to Josh from Elite Cut Genetics for coming onto the podcast today! Josh’s Instagram- bit.ly/4aMKZKj

[@growersmindset]

dude you are such a legendary host. extremely well spoken.

[@GardenTalkwithMrGrowIt]

🙏 thanks for your positive words

[@Crop_Culture]

Great discussion, this was really entertaining 💯 So happy to see my friend Josh on the show. He’s one of the real ones for sure. 💚💪

[@famellies--313-Beatmaker]

Now this is the kinda guy i want to be watching..just from listening to this guy for ten mintues i can tell hes got some dope knowledge in the game.dont matter how long you been at this for you are never to old to learn new tips and tricks . Dudes super easy to process too..keep em coming.dope colab

[@jordanbourgeois8704]

Awesome episode!!! Would definitely love to hear more from him! Chris ya gotta get him back on! Thanks for the content!!

[@undrachevr]

Hey Chris, Im a long time listener to your podcast on spotify. I appreciate all the free knowledge you and your guest share on your show.

[@randolphbarrow125]

I really love your interview style. Your so well spoken it makes it a pleasure to listen

[@thomascross8339]

Great conversation. Just be careful when you ask breeders, "knowing that one pollinated female can produce possibly THOUSANDS of viable high quality seeds, why do you think your genetics are worth 20, 30, 40, even 50 dollars a seed when brands like Ethos or HSC average $10 a seed?" A lot of them don't like that question for some reason....😅

[@PlaygroundMafia]

It's annoying because your basically asking small operations to scale into a million dollar enterprise so consumers get a discount. One seed can make clones forever. By this logic each seed should be 100's of dollars depending on genetics/homozygosity. I've been breeding cannabis for 8 years, if someone pays me $30 for a 17 pack of seeds that I spent over 5 years breeding for id need to sell 250+ packs to make my money back from all the grows, which is 4250 seeds. Have you ever washed/ seperated and packaged 4000+ seeds? Without massive outreach and marketing I need to sell my packs for more to even come close to breaking even. Sorry for the rant. It comes up a lot at the trade shows I go to and it's annoying like you said lol

[@mauricecalliss1303]

All the research I've been doing into plants and only now I ve come to realise if what I'm doing or intended is ethical .so this is the first thing that came up so my ethical research starts here. I did see an advanced skill related to plant breeding ethics maybe that's next. I wouldn't be responsible if I didn't look into the ethical side of things and I'm guessing maybe it's something that's often overlooked. Love the pod man watched listened digested loads of them it's hard to keep up with all the excellent content available on podcasts these days.yours is one of them especially in my earlier days of research taking in what I can you've got a great spectrum of MUKTIFACETED content .great man .safe. peace yahl

[@johnkehoe8368]

some of the best testing you can do to see if your plants will not herm or what not is to give tester seeds to newer growers cause they will stress your plants out

[@codyharney2997]

I understand that it's true, but giving herms to new growers is kinda lame haha. If you have good genes to start and it's really more stress testing then yea I get it.

[@johnkehoe8368]

@@codyharney2997 yep but if they send them to me and i know they want me to stress them i will do my best only stress i wont do to a plant is over watering i have been doing 20% drybacks lately on new seeds i have bought just to see if they can handle the stress lol but yes agree if they do not let us know we just think we got trash seeds most plants i see lately are getting very swollen calyx's but they are not pollinated some might think they are but really no seeds others i have seen just throw you a few seeds for no reason at all never had any plants get to maturity for the seeds themselves so i believe some cultivars will try to sustain there own lifecycle with out the help of pollin like the pollin sac was hid away inside the swollen calyx and created 1 seed if you see what i am saying

[@thewhosjoe]

Need more breeding video's! I need all the knowledge

[@scotttheoldfisherman6518]

Hey Josh that's exactly how I learned took some seeds out scatter them around on the outskirts of some timberline but this was back in 1975 that was when it was a big taboo really appreciate the knowledge you dropped on us Chris looking forward to the next video catch you on the flip side of my brothers. ✌️

[@mauricecalliss1303]

I hate to put anyone off breeding but it's not just pollinating stuff .I wud encourage anyone to try it. But it takes time and alot of learning curves come with breeding it can be stressful. Even just playing about with it. But I'll tell you now what your going to learn from it is worth it. Even if your on limited means for personal intrest.

[@mauricecalliss1303]

Is anyone doing old school selection anymore ? Square cubeing from massive stands selecting outliners etc.

[@eQui253]

I started growing when lowryder seeds became a thing. I was saying "these plants may bloom automaticly, but they suck... this will never become a thing!" Glad that I was very very wrong.

[@rayjay8322]

It is pretty crazy how far they have come! One of the hardest hitting flower I've grown is an auto............Twenty20 Mendocino Knows Candy. Easy AF to grow!

[@RayGreyfox]

Great great show. Really strong guest here who really resonates big time with me.

[@joeblow4360]

26:10 i think pollen chucking is something breeders use to boost themselves above "beginners". if they are just "chucking pollen" then theyre just bad breeders, there is good breeding and bad breeding, but pollen chucking can really be a quick way to find a unicorn to then start to stabilize and breed.

[@PodcastOnTheSpectrum]

Pretty much all breeders, outside the ones with million dollar lab set ups and genetics tests, are just "pollen chucking".. Breeding is just as much an art of numbers and tastes as it is an exact science

[@Dab_Marino]

I Related to alot of topics and situations in this episode. Being from around McHenry County IL and allegedly guerilla growing around 2010👽🏎️⛽ thanks for the episode. Cheers!

[@Le_Brick420]

Great interview. Cool hats.

[@comfortablynumb9342]

Chris you're killin' it man. Super impressive.

[@dannyarmata8878]

Vanilla Kush from Barney's was one of my favorites I grew 10 years ago when I also went through attitude and had to worry about green tape Dinafem sensi nirvana paradise barneys dutch passion TH the true og and i never got a herm from them

[@camarodude9615]

Great live chat!! I have 4 Chill Out OGs running in auto pots they look amazing, Chris you hit this strain out of the park, your's an welcome to the grow tent (GT) magic Candy mountain strain just arrived in my mailbox today. Keep all the good strains coming! Josh I'm subscribed to your channel I'll be hitting you up soon for some beans 👊

[@growingatthebeach9186]

Another super solid episode .Some great infor here….He keeps it 💯💯 so will def give him a try Thanks Chris🤘✌️

[@K.I.S.S_420grow]

Such an amazing video 💪🏼 definitely a load of information🤙🏼

[@SameDayparlay]

Great episode... Love breeder chat

[@humanbeing-001]

I remember 20 years ago the gypsy seed bank was giving away "Whos Your Daddy?" seeds as freebies.. It was powerplant mothers and 5 different fathers. That was pretty cool.

[@joeymasterson4395]

Chris haha honest pollen chucking had me dying over here! lol 👍🏼

[@mattadams7031]

That’s why I like Rasta Jeff he will answer any questions that is 100% transparent

[@impulsivegardens5655]

Amazing breeder forsure! I’ve tuned in to his podcasts as well. -Josh, ECG

[@PhantomPain74]

Thanks as always Chris 💚🙏💚

[@ShortyYamamoto]

Have you heard of the 12/1 light schedule for veg? I'm just reading about it and it seems very efficient. Mainly form keeping heat and power consumption down. People who support this schedule claim in can yield more also. Apparently it is beneficial to the microbes in the soil as well. Some people who grow chrysanthemums use this schedule i believe. I'll try to ask during a live for FTS if I can catch one. Just getting into growing and motivated to learn. Thanks for your content.

[@ShortyYamamoto]

12-1 vegetative schedule: 12 hours lights on 5 1/2 hours off 1 hour on 5 1/2 off and repeat

[@johnman559]

Ahh yes.... The Gas lamp technique, very slow vegging though. You'll try it then go for 18 hours😂👍👍

[@BHIPHOP91]

Yeah it works well for thin leaf varieties but it will stretch and flower most thick leaf varieties after about a month or so, just my experience.

[@SnoPaKFaRmZ-iv1ko]

18-6 save yourself some time and headaches. Keep in mind brother as indoor growers our job is to bring the outside climate indoors best we can don’t over think it

[@rayjay8322]

@@SnoPaKFaRmZ-iv1ko Exactly, 18/6 is more in line with what nature would do. I've got too much going on in this grow I'm starting tomorrow, but I do want to try a little different schedule when flipping to flower. When I'm ready to flip to flower I will start pulling back the hours of light, but increasing light intensity. increasing ppfd, so that I maintain the same DLI. By doing it this way, By the time I get to 12/12, my DLI is where it should be for flower production and not having to play catchup with the DLI because I just took out 6 hours of light !

[@isaacsantiago545]

Great information. I love this podcast

[@420Dreamz36]

Very Zen like very therapeutic for me especially in my sobriety marijuana maintenance for the W🌱

[@impulsivegardens5655]

There’s lots more to my story and I’m a testament you can have a better life without addiction. Thanks for tuning in 🙏

[@timpage5021]

Really like this guy. Agree with pretty much everything.

[@joeblow4360]

What are the ethics behind doing an S1 of your favorite pheno and then selling those seeds? Say I phenohunt Apple Fritter until I find a unique keeper, self that pheno, and then sell those seeds?

[@impulsivegardens5655]

As stated in the podcast we do sell S1 seeds of breeder cut genetics. Making the selection does make it more unique to you. Are the Apple Fritter S1 seeds? If so that will bring it to S2 which could cause some issues like genetic depression. Make sure you source your apples fritter seeds from a legit source. Sometimes seeds are marketed as something hype to get seed sales when they are not even the correct genetics. Always research and ask questions!

[@g.p.b.growpressbake3807]

Bro you have to get Derek, the founder and owner of Dream Beans, on the show. He has some of the best autoflowers in the industry right now and is coming up really fast.

[@KingVB]

Much love from Ukraine! 🫡 There is no valuable information about our loved plant in my language, so this series is literally gold to me. I just wanna say thank you from many viewers in prohibition-land 😀💙

[@HarposHippieHollow]

Never grow ditchweed

[@cornellcrawford8575]

I agree,,, growersmindset!!

[@ArizonaGrows]

Great show

[@maneiloveyall3672]

❤❤❤ Mane saying the real, cant be around the type of mind set that dont have Breeder/Grower Entrepreneurship

[@tamimesh8055]

Where do we find his clones?

[@ype_deezy336]

Nicely done

[@_zerofaith]

Great stuff Chillout Chris

[@mr.onedayatuhtime5523]

Mr G! Hello, have you ever had your girl/or wife complain about smelling like chronic coming to bed and it being a problem. Maybe ways to deal with it beforehand? Just a HG doing good using stash blend religiously. Love it.

[@GardenTalkwithMrGrowIt]

“You smell strong” is what she says sometimes. But she also said it’s not a problem. I said good because it’s not going away lol. I told her to run if it’s a problem haha.

[@gilbertohernandez7416]

YEA KNO KEEPIN IT REAL !!!!!❤ ALWAYZ KEEPIN IT FLYNHIGH

[@GregDunne-zf2ep]

Years ago I planted 25 seeds got 19 herbs 2 male 1 female

[@mauricecalliss1303]

That permanent marker smell all smells you can find them in all genetic CUKTIVARS so it's a minefield when it comes to named vars. Then you see so much variation on the same named vars. Even clones of the same plant can become so indiv8dual from the genetic parent in expressing .

[@mauricecalliss1303]

Thetes gona always be problems cos the plant isnt typically grown under such different conditions .wots stable and proven undr ypur conditions mite not be stable under your conditions .ethically speaking not everyone knowd how to apply ethics in breeding .not everyone can be a purist even if they wanted to. It's all a product of circumstance. I don't think we will see close to old school strains anymore.

[@williamnoble86]

I believe it’s always ethical to sell any product as long as you are 100% honest. If you tell someone this is a F1 and it’s clear then yea you can sell them. What sucks is when people sell them without telling you what you’re really buying. It’s all about transparency.

[@nakefatty9167]

I'm not a pollen chucker, I'm a pollen chucker's mate. I'm only chucking pollen coz the pollen chucker's late!

[@bryanhayes67]

Great Video Chris,as someone who grew up with growers the underground back in thex70s and 80s was real your videos are always so well done ,the guests and topics BTW I started using the Stash blend wow absolutely 💯 real good can't believe the difference thanks again 🤙🪴🔥💨😶‍🌫️

[@GardenTalkwithMrGrowIt]

Great to hear! That’s for taking the time to comment. Cheers!

[@canariotv6167]

Nice to listen to a long conversation about breeding and genetics from 2 dudes that aren’t bs’ing everyone

[@metasamsara]

I would LOVE to hear more about plants herming as a survival mechanism. I have this project of making my own seeds to save money on a guerilla warfare grow type of stuff lol but I only have a 2x2 and it downed on me, if I use colloidal silver, it will make fem seeds so after a year and the plants die, all efforts will be erased. I would like it if the plants took over and reproduced yearly on their own. Would starting from fem seeds + colloidal silver make it more unstable, therefor leading to more herms? I don't need harvest genetics for this project only lots of seeds that will ideally recolonize nature in their rightful place. Or perhaps starting with non fem seeds and chucking actual pollen I bought online be the only realistic solution? Wouldn't just throwing kief from previous harvests months after it was harvested a valid option at all rather than ordering pollen online?

[@miken.1717]

Hhhh..I ordered from attitude seedbank and got barney's farm and denefem seeds in a shirt... brought back memories 😊😢

[@BigFarm_ah365]

It takes me a year to decide if a plant is a keeper. Jackson talks about how important it is to know your genetics, really know the genetics you have and how they behave in different scenarios. James Loud says you need to be a great grower before you can even make selections. If you can't make your plants express fully then you don't know what traits you are even looking for. It would take two years easily to bring a seed line to market unless it's just a mash up. Colin at ETHOS has his technique down and it still takes 3-5 runs for him to bring a pretty stable line to market doing thousand plant runs. I guess I'm saying is starting a seed company 2 years into your growing career is sus. No offense, but shit takes time

[@impulsivegardens5655]

I’m 100% transparent with my operation. I stated differences between 1 off crosses and worked lines. Thanks for Tuning in. These are the types of comments I would get before starting. Follow your passion and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. I know I can bring value to the market but there’s many amazing breeders. Thanks for you input 👍

[@BigFarm_ah365]

@@impulsivegardens5655 Yeah man, it's time with the cultivars, you know? Jackson is big on that, when you really know a line that you are working with you start to pick up on linked traits. I really like getting genetics out of the Emerald Triangle. A lot of those cats just grew up surrounded by the scents and the stories. I grew the same cuts for a lot of years and then I decided to just grow as many things as I could get my hands on, all from seed for the last 6 or 7 years. I always grow a plant out 3 times too before making a decision. You can just take a cut of the seedling and toss it, because that is in no way representative of how it will grow as a clone. So few home growers are hanging on to anything these days. And it always bugs me out to see someone putting a ton of time and energy into growing a single plant by itself, months of veg and training and no idea if it's even worth growing. I'll tell ya, true keepers are few and far between unless you have the ability to look at large populations. The only way to support the habit is to sling cuts or beans. I'm looking to get myself into a spot where I can build a sun assist or something where I can run populations with low overhead

[@michaelsimon1147]

Here's a question. Say your friend gives you some random beans, and they say it compares to "Michael Jordan" as far as quality, but there is no strain or any info about them whatsoever. How does someone get the beans or plants tested to see the lineage of its genetics?

[@jm12green31]

You can't test the lineage but can identify the terpenes and THC CBD etc percentages. Really it comes down to narrow leaf or broadleaf or sativa or indica

[@michaelsimon1147]

@jm12green31 I appreciate you bro, thank you 🙏

[@Freedom_Born]

Cut a leaf. Send it in for Tissue Sample testing

[@michaelsimon1147]

@freedom_born Thank you for the info. Do you know of any reputable testing facilities?

[@smm72]

As long as f1s are labeled as such it's all good.

[@GregDunne-zf2ep]

We where growing autos back in the 70s so. Who ever told him they where the first.was wrong 😂

[@chiefofstaff1]

Everyone thinks they was the first when things been around for billions of years

[@ColemanCanna]

Now i have a face to put to my black cherry bliss

[@BrünəZ]

Like the Slurricane s1 or s2 you made, or Trop Cherry s2 breeding? ethics?

[@michaelsia8305]

Yessir ❤️‍🔥

[@mannyfreshbuds]

Nice

[@RayGreyfox]

If you never put a clone in your room you never have to worry #growfromseed #roottothefruit #qualityestablishedbreeders

[@phenofinder9145]

2011 😂😂😂. We was passing around genetics and information in the forums at that time. This guy talks like he is a OG and that 2011 was back in the day 😂😂😂

[@mikeharris8910]

I love my babys also

[@Gonesane]

stable because in house released it lol. herm house

[@TSR245]

BIGTURP is in your tent ⛺️ 😄 😀 😎

[@ssdemon8]

The game has gotten pretty grimy everyone’s stepping on toes it’s not like it used to be now everyone thinks they can do it 😂💀💀😂

[@talkingmyshhhtv]

Interview me 😭

[@simonson4728]

I take breeding very seriously so you can doc and replicate it that's the KEY of breeding

[@Milly420]

Auto flowers have come such a long way. ⛽🔥

[@simonson4728]

Stable = firmly fixed all stay the same

[@RedPillGrower]

✌️😎🔥🔥🔥

[@vernlunsford4449]

Chris, the Demi-God of grow. Undisputed. Keep on keeping on brother! You rock!❤

[@HumbleVet420]

I would love to see Rasta Jeff from Irie Genetics on your podcast!

[@johnkehoe8368]

hey chris are you gonna be able to send beans to canada anytime soon?

[@johnman559]

SWIT SWOO !....oh ? 🤭

[@tha_backfoot9441]

🪴🛸

[@szq3820]

Hey Chris, can I get your seeds in EU?

[@miken.1717]

Who is this guy?

[@simonson4728]

I don't relate to this breeder I can't belive he has a business

[@jm12green31]

Well you really shouldn't be choosing genetics based on the individual

[@MoreJohnBlazeThan_]

I’ve grown this dudes gear, his grape gas and Trop Cherry were 🤌. Clones came in great condition, seeds showed high stability.

[@SmokesalotOGs]

grate stuff

[@MegaBadaboom88]

There is one big question for me and many other cultivators witch noone seem to talk about in our community and that is "what about micro seeds"? I think i can show them in any bud i ever had, even in medical cannabis flowers.... I think that it can really mess up your experiance with your medication.... I think it is in their genpool and we can not remove that it is like the white inmature seeds in seedless watermelones, they are not dark and hard but they will allways be there....I think i never saw a completely seedless Watermelone....I would love to find the answer to that question after many years asking myself why there is no weed on the planet that has nothing of those micro seeds in there... Some people remove them witch takes like 30 Minitues for one joint because there are so many of it... I am talking about good weed from Amsterdam or from the Doctor....So clean stuff, no meesed up homegrown flower 😅 Since germany went legal i found myself really interrested in those little beans, would be cool to learn more about them and how to breed.... 😊 If you never saw microseeds => Check close to the stem, mostly you can find the biggest "microseeds" there...would be nice to share your experiance on this. Greetings from germany!

[@ChagaThunder]

🫡💪💚🥂🤝✌️