Plato, Phaedo | The Body as Prison to the Soul | Philosophy Core Concepts

[@blaisedelacruz1921]

These kinds of videos are pleasures to my soul.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad to read it!

[@HippieChick9]

One of the most striking metaphors in Plato’s Phaedo is the body being of like a prison. Most likely the most stark expression of Platonic dualism and against the body in anywhere you will find in Plato’s dialogues. Socrates is also behind bars at this time. Symbology: Socrates’ chains are ONLY released so he can die. - The body ends up filtering out what the soul can perceive-the soul is stuck with the body - The body contaminates the soul - Though, the soul directs the body Socrates says how the soul should be more concerned of the unseen world (Hades), than the materialistic world. Unseen: Realities that can only be perceived by the mind and soul-not the body. Breaking the connection with the body and contemplating the divine-there can be pleasures and pains with this-but not that of the body: thirst, hunger, sexual desire, desire for honor or domination. The role of philosophy has to show the soul that the soul is actually collaborating with the body in its own imprisonment. The soul feels desire and desires through the body into the visible world, and it occupies itself with that. Socrates: Philosophy can see the imprisonment is affected by the prisoner’s own active desires. The desire makes the soul an accessory to its own confinement.

[@GregoryBSadler]

one of the strongest expressions of Platonic dualism in his texts. . .

[@MrMarktrumble]

thank you. Even when Plato has his reincarnation myths, he cannot favour the Christian account of the resurrection of the flesh. It is arguable he would favour the singularity of nous.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Mark Trumble Yes, Plato would certainly not be receptive to the notion of the resurrection of the body. Plenty of Jewish and Christian platonists would, though. . .

[@bjsanantonio7350]

Gregory B. Sadler Just a question , How exactly is the soul collaborating with the body ???? And why is it collaborating with the body in the first place ???

[@GregoryBSadler]

In this dialogue - and the answer to your question is given in detail there, if you read it - the soul collaborates by treating things of the body as being as important as the body takes them to be

[@bjsanantonio7350]

Another question , If the soul exists before birth and it somewhat originated from the world of forms why would it then go to the world of senses ???

[@JosephBlue-r9t]

Great message And a good teacher. I have been feeling like the body imprisons the soul for it is obviously true!

[@GregoryBSadler]

It definitely is not something that is obviously true, whether in Plato's time or our own

[@thematrixdestroyer2688]

I believe that as mankind, we are on to something in terms of enlightenment

[@HalTuberman]

I see parallels with the massage of the Bhagavad Gita. Interesting. Well done!

[@GregoryBSadler]

A "massage" would indeed be good for the body

[@HalTuberman]

LOL. Of course meant "message" but I am writing a report on massage therapy for one of my classes. Must have been muscle memory.

[@LalosSaw]

I would say it's same to samkhya philosophy, haven't read the bagavad Gita yet.

[@sahilnimawat3729]

That’s 100% true ...Thanks for updating...

[@josiahgill9610]

This is in complete agreement with my own philosophy I can't believe I haven't studied on Plato's theories yet! Great video!

[@GregoryBSadler]

I'll have online classes on Plato's works coming out later this summer - glad you enjoyed the video!

[@robertjacobs3133]

Gregory do you personally have any 'sense' of the 'Hades'/Unseen 'Real World' Meta Abstract undefined, immeasurable 'Place' Plato was talking about? Like in a 'spiritual' way? Do you have the pre-existing spiritual 'sense' innate in your soul that Plato was talking about as the awareness of the 'Real'?

[@compassioniseverything4262]

Both of you are wrong. Unfortunately!

[@anamouchette5588]

thank you for that wonderful analysis, jeff bridges!

[@GregoryBSadler]

You're welcome

[@aldog93]

Thank you so so so so much for all your videos. They are greatly appreciated!

[@GregoryBSadler]

You're welcome

[@carlosalbertosancheslives9455]

Greetings from Brazil!

[@stellaercolani3810]

I already know the body is a soul prison, unlike my contemporaries I'm not a slave to greed or avarice. I don't need to be told...

[@GregoryBSadler]

Good for you.

[@thematrixdestroyer2688]

You are on the path to eternal enlightenment

[@athenassigil5820]

You're an excellent teacher, I really enjoyed this. I'm looking forward to your series on Boethius, as well! Oh, one last thing. Have you ever done a lecture or series on (I looked through your playlists and couldn't find any...perhaps i answered my own question)Plotinus?

[@GregoryBSadler]

No, haven’t done Plotinus yet

[@gulmizaseitalieva1471]

Excellent!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Thanks!

[@averyepperly]

Can we get a lecture on Plato’s Timaeus? -Thanks.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Here you go kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJy7fKeuocp6d5o

[@thematrixdestroyer2688]

I am amazed! I just posted a video about that on my channel without knowledge of Plato's thesis and we are exactly on the same page. Indeed our body is a prison for the soul. We need to dominate it, that's Christianity one on one.

[@mattb6721]

Cool video. How does Plato think that philosophers can go on strictly concerning themselves with the unseen world without having to seek the sustenance that bodies needs to practicing philosophy? Or is he referring to extraneous desires like luxury, greed and hedonism, and excusing basic bodily needs as negligible?

[@GregoryBSadler]

Matt Breton He doesn't think - or say - that, while we have bodies, we don't have to attend to them at all.

[@luancarvalhomatos7888]

So somehow the soul is capable to feel the desires of the body even being a immaterial specie that does not hunger or feel thirsty? This is because it has a part related to the appetite?

[@GregoryBSadler]

Yes

[@amandamasigan621]

this helped so much!!!!

[@ninjanonik]

Thank you.

[@GregoryBSadler]

You're welcome

[@tenzinsonam9599]

How to make a dissertation on this subject?

[@GregoryBSadler]

Not by asking questions in KZbin comments

[@christopherdunn846]

Could this idea of the soul in the Phaedo and the Republic be similar in certain cases?

[@moonshinevessel]

But how do we know we have a soul?

[@GregoryBSadler]

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[@kaij1744]

Look into near death experiences or out of body experiences also known as astral projection. Or if thats not enough look into individuals who incarnate with memories of past lives. If you look for material proof for an immaterial existence then your relying on ingnorance to percieve your reality and are therefor trapping your self in a narrow bandwith of what you percieve as possible

[@kyler.kinsey1188]

@@kaij1744 wow! Well said! Thanks for sharing

[@basudevmondal9085]

Women's has no Soul.. called by Plato.Is it true or false? please explain.

[@GregoryBSadler]

No idea what you're on about

[@basudevmondal9085]

@@GregoryBSadler If you have an idea on this fact... please explain with Plato views regarding women... with quote.

[@GregoryBSadler]

@@basudevmondal9085 Here you go - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYfChWt7ot6ZbKs