Why Valorant's Uncrowned Kings Keep Falling Short

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[@platoonval]

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[@kiyuvalo]

Bro that shit is 400 a month 😂 half of rent money.

[@ridlofirmanda3478]

The thing is, during Champs 2023, they did enjoy all the games from group stage to playoff even if they lost it. But, when it comes to GF, they looked very pressured and were not enjoying the games itself.

[@crpla]

yeah they said that themselves

[@Mh2sK1]

yea its more visible with mindfreak, his grand finals performance in champs '23 looks terrible and awkward

[@LimabeanStudios]

It must be really scary to get into that final series and feel the vibe shift go negative.

[@malik-re8ei]

True true From group stage to winner final at champion, they look having fun even they lose a map. But at GF it just gone... And the chemistry is just not there.

[@martinus5747]

It could be because they were in the upper bracket the whole tournament so they didn’t have their back against the wall. When they were, they lost their confidence

[@PaperRex]

If we join your coaching program, will we gain 500 RR too? Great video!

[@platoonval]

😭😭😭 Thank you! Whatever you need so we can see the boys on top ♥️

[@cyanolite8070]

good luck next year

[@meiichan1650]

Damn pooperex

[@khoaanh1810]

w hope u guys win champ 2024 :D

[@slopeex]

they might not have won a tourney yet, but they certainly have won the hearts of the fans

[@Nokisqt]

prx is like the new DRX but better just always top 3 curse

[@gyd1714]

U mean top 2 lol?

[@HiThere-db3bc]

@@gyd1714 nah top 3

[@gyd1714]

@@HiThere-db3bc wdym what Tournament where they top 3 besides Tokyo. They were top 2 in copenhagen and in Champs this year

[@litoculus4459]

@@gyd1714so its not a top 2 curse its a top 3 curse because they hit a minimum top 3 in every event

[@giovannimahendra9565]

​@@litoculus4459more like BO5 curse

[@boohoo34]

If Jing didn’t have to leave and play his last tournament, I honestly believe they might beat EG. the whole story and emotions of wanting to win for Jing so bad probably got in their heads and added so much pressure

[@fleeker6610]

nah they just got outplayed lol

[@deardoue69]

@@fleeker6610 still dont undertand how prx fans still fucking glaze them and cope so much even after loosing vct

[@clkt1011]

They’re jus like old astralis

[@ignatoseg4664]

​@deardoue69 the fact that they can get to VCT and consistently get 3rd to 4th is quite impressive for a play style that many ppl thought was stupid

[@lebronjames5287]

@@ignatoseg4664 yea they just got 3rd again with monyet instead of jing so ...

[@Fluskar]

90% of the time u see them in a grand finals, always count on them to get 2nd place 💀

[@giovannimahendra9565]

To be honest they main problem was BO5

[@MebiManga]

Commeting before watching the video - As a PRX fan, I think it's the mental. They overthink too much sometimes and just make mistakes they don't usually do during the grand finals - at least for VCT major tournaments. VCT Copenhagen - they had many tricks for Breeze, and I think it 9-13 is already a great score for that weird 'troll' comp. FPX just had better aim that day. VCT Tokyo - not having smth really forced them to play a different comp, and they did a damn good job hitting 3rd. VCT LA - I think they felt the pressure because of jinggg - pulling out the old bind comp, which itself was already questionable, and also did really questionable plays, there were a few attacking rounds Jinggg solo pushed showers and died without any trades. If they had continued with their 2023 comp, they might have won that map - just like how they stuck to their ascent comp and won this time, when they lost that map to EG during upper finals. They tried to play their chamber comp against Optic back in Copenhagen on Bind, and they lost that, too. But credit where credit is due, EG's whole team showed up for GF. Against Sentinels, Sentinels just felt like the better team from the start, better strats and aim and everything. I think the reason why PRX is so fun to watch is because they keep getting away with ridiculous plays that don't make sense - but these plays get punished when it matters the most. BUT their strats seem to have developed a lot more this year compared to last year, so that's something I appreciate. After watching the video - they actually toned down on the (dumb) aggression alot this year, last year they made a lot of plays where they just kept running it down without utilities and just die. You could see from the video, Reyna and skye flashed out B long on Bind, but they didn't see anyone at fountain - they immediately made the call to fall back and not overextend. EDIT: Once again, great analysis with the stats, some of what I wrote kinda agree with your points. One thing that was weird was that PRX actually played Cypher on Lotus in the Pacific League to great success, but they swapped him for astra and continued running that strat, which, like you mentioned, got punished in champs

[@jookkertvza]

The ascent comp in GF where they changed from skye to kayo is clearly better.I think that map win make they think they should change other map comp.

[@hotsauce0097]

The fact they came third AGAIN in Masters Madrid is crazy

[@cal6252]

jinggg is back to replace monyet thou

[@melttea5999]

Amazing video as always! I really hope Paper Rex breaks their 2nd place curse and takes a major international trophy next year

[@meiichan1650]

Impossible

[@shaded_red]

Although I want paper rex to win a finals, I don't want them to change their aggressive style. Because I believe they're the only team that can make the aggressive style double dive duelist work. I want them to show everyone that valorant can also be played this way.

[@platoonval]

I don't either but double duelist doesn't necessarily mean you can't run a Sentinel or Viper on certain maps! There has to be some sort of tradeoff but I think they can mainly keep their aggressive style and maybe do it more confidently if they have more reliable stall on the weak side of the map. This is why something has started to play Gekko for them too.

[@sturts1234]

i totally agree on late round aggression when opponent are predicting it cus having a full utile late round aggression will take you off guard

[@architecthyde]

man i wish PRX could win 1 international trophy

[@alvinlui6626]

apac trophy

[@alvinlui6626]

i guess not international but all g proved themselves

[@Phoenix-Handle]

​@@thefartmachine358 Funny name, but yes.

[@zephyr8465]

@@Phoenix-Handle bro if u think his name is funny u are 10

[@Phoenix-Handle]

@@zephyr8465 Close, I am 13, but yes I enjoy immature humor, pls don't judge XD

[@TheLastQuazar]

PRX is forever gonna be Uncrowned King

[@Samvideos2021]

Kuroko no basket reference?

[@tririzki7025]

I do think so

[@sou2_jp890]

just like neymar

[@Jsjrjekdjebek]

The script continues this aged well

[@ayushsharma3382]

Love the video, I like how you included stats of so many top team for comparison

[@LimabeanStudios]

The series vs FPX i think was their best chance so far. It was before PRX had so much experience so the mistakes were more understandable but man they SHOULD have won breeze. They brought out this comp nobody could prep for and were consistently finding early round advantages. Unfortunately they were equally as consistent at throwing that advantage away by over pushing. The early round pushes were SO good if they would have just backed off a little after the initial push they would have won their first ever finals appearance.

[@ardig4328]

PaperRex is the only team that will never get bored when we watch, because they play without the need to reach the 'time limit' like American or European teams. JUST PRESS THE W

[@syrazhs]

Really appreciate how you use real data for explaining PRX strats!

[@Kodunkion]

I think what they're missing is that extra special sauce where teams adapt to counter strats in the same tournament. PRX remind me of 2019 Liquid in the sense that they had a really good unique thing going, but lacked the finesse against people who counter strat them. I think they just need to understand their weaknesses so they can adapt to enemy adaptations during the tournament because they rarely show that just like Liquid cs was in 2019.

[@jackalcrackle]

I think despite not having an international major trophy they are still one of the best teams valorant has and had, they are easily the best team to have not won a trophy and it would be hard to believe if in the chapter of PRX in the story of valorant there was not at least one major trophy recorded

[@rayark5143]

I love these high quality videos PLZ make more

[@lukaloncar1154]

I love the content and how you present stats. I noticed that you do most of your content focused on teams (which makes sense since val is a team game), but I think it would be interesting to explore individual players at a deeper level. Excited to see what you create next!

[@platoonval]

Awesome suggestion thanks!

[@lukaloncar1154]

@@platoonval Glad I can help :)

[@YesHelloKitty]

I had the exact same thoughts while watching PRX all season. Thanks for this vid

[@VitalisProd]

Seeng PRX coach get tilted after round loss never gets old :D

[@justjuniorjaw]

They may easily win a more local tourney, but seeing them always at the big stage in International Val events makes me happy.

[@noobsunleashed9703]

14:04 tmv made a comment that he really liked how 2022 prx played cypher on haven and used benkai to gather info on 4 lanes

[@EA0_2_0_8_]

14:53 "Awaken Something in them" as he shows Something 1 tap his opponet😂😂

[@aaronilienicholas4734]

This is what we called DATA ANALYSIS. Good job!!!!

[@henry9873]

it’s a good day when platoon uploads

[@polarityytiralop4712]

Flexible comps and controlled aggression from PRX would be monstrous

[@spookah_4495]

Forsaken did say in a interview to beat them all ppl had to do was ‘diff their aim’

[@leosimvuiseng2926]

which is true tho asian ranked server all are aim demon i play in asia server (sg and hk server) its really hard to play compared to na and eu very easy to play

[@Fluxbyte141]

wait I just took a 8 month break from valorant, how does this man not have 100k subs??

[@misslen575]

I started noticing them when they got close last year because I’m from pacific as well but i started to love watching their games because of how much fun they have in tournaments and outside of them. That video of them roasting themselves is one of the best things I’ve watched vct related, “HE IS CHOKING AGAIN!” 😂😂😂 forsaken be choking every GF

[@jerms99]

they’re the old tsm of cs. second place finishes with a player that’s arguably top 5; but that’ll also mean in the future they’ll be the greatest team of all time… no?

[@stewpid6180]

For Masters 2022 and Champions 2023, they played so well throughout the tournament but both times in the GF, they couldn't play like themselves...😢 (as a PRX fan, I think I might be losing hair cause of them) Can't wait to see them in 2024 tho

[@bryanmulcare9083]

From the underdog times to the world champion competitors, these PRX players are insane and their aggressive plays are always their ego.

[@MikeTyson-oy4xo]

The grand final choker Fr

[@bluespy5813]

The good news is they are starting to play sentinels on maps like lotus

[@platoonval]

Yep they definitely came to some similar conclusions. Just a little bit of meta in there is enough IMO.

[@alvinlui6626]

i think they gained attention when they dominated NA’s last hope TGRD, as TGRD was 13-0, 13-1ing 100t sentinels at the time

[@benballerdidthechain9095]

For me its simply down to bad luck and indivual performances not turning up due to the pressure. Okay against FPX sure they are first time in that stage, they are young inexperience, in masters theyre whole gameplan without something was to just wing it in champions i think they got outclassed by 1-2 players namely demon1s (spilt) and com (ascent 2v1) which really changed the tide of the game i still think they are a top 3 team in the world rn the recent korea event just showed how strong sentinels really are when they are on their game (we saw that after the vct that they have what it takes just needed abit more time) with john coming in they look super complete and defo look like they are a champs ready team.

[@thanos1196]

I feel like they W gaming too much in finals, like they could win on their skill alone but that can only take u so far when ur going up the best players in Valorant

[@gomer6713]

Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. Sometimes it's heartbreaking to be a prx fan 🦖

[@imranabdulkadir9060]

Still waiting on that Optic video🙏

[@katl8825]

8:10 for graphs like these, the difference is only 3% between the two groups of teams shown. I would love to know the total number of rounds looked at to get a feel of how much that 3% means? Because at least at face value, 73% vs 70% doesn’t feel like a big difference. Anyways, love your use of stats to tie into your analysis, it’s very interesting to see some of the graphs, especially the intro graph with round durations!

[@platoonval]

Great point and I'm always trying to figure out a better way to include sample sizes and other indicators in the graphics. Definitely hard to say exactly how important 3% is but if you're winning 3 more rounds per 100, it could definitely add up! I couldn't get it to look good so just left it out this time but others have requested them so I'll incorporate them more in the future! For you here are some numbers: Ex: Team Name [Rounds Won After First Blood on DEF] [Total First Bloods on DEF] Paper Rex 269 367 0.7329700272479565 LOUD 241 342 0.7046783625730995 FNATIC 229 313 0.731629392971246 EG 337 479 0.7035490605427975

[@katl8825]

@@platoonval ah, thank you for pulling these numbers for me! I think I have more questions seeing these numbers, but 3% over 300+ rounds does feel more significant.

[@harith0silver751]

the problem with how prx play is that every player need to perform everytime they needed to win couple of they player underperform probably because of the pressure

[@pandathedeveloper6660]

so that's why they always lost in breeze since it's a huge map.

[@indrasyafei2304]

AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN, MASTERS MADRID 3rd place

[@shreyasshetty9538]

ngl benkai was their much needed sentinel for prx. even tho benkai wasnt that mechnically gifted as jingg smthng or forsaken is but benkai role as a team being a sentinel and igl did help them to execute a slow round at places when needed . If Prx can bring or fit a controller sentinel combo, their aggressive defenses can be the most lethal of all the team. Hoping to see PRX to go on and achieve victory in maor tourney in 2024

[@kuma8581]

benkai lacking in firepower really hinders them though. even if they replaced benkai with monyet, not with something, it would still be a better team. now that f0rsaken is kinda comfortable in playing flex, they can explore much more comps option with monyet as a duelist/smoke.

[@ACE-no4tw]

They are like ethan hunt but just without a script they gamble hard but don’t have a scripted guarantee to win it but still i love them and this play style is the reason and if they don’t want to change it and are still performing who are we to tell them

[@aro4457]

The Tottenham Hotspurs of Valorant

[@seungminbestboi_251]

Them falling short against sen again in the lower final ist kinda sad

[@Sugarist0]

The reason why they won so many ppl’s hearts is also the reason why they haven’t won anything to prove themselves. One reason u didn’t touch on is actually the way they can just throw rounds bc the players themselves can’t tone down their aggression. One round for example is the xeppaa ace clutch back in lock in. It was an impossible round to lose, but prx always finds a way to I’m not a fan of prx, but imagine if they had a good igl and coaching staff who commands the team instead of letting them roam free, or if the players just listened and are more competent, they could’ve been a dynasty

[@platoonval]

I did have a section on this but IMO its a tradeoff to be the best at this style. Players need to feel empowered and confident to take peeks and fights. They definitely throw rounds this way but I thought it might be too obvious to point out so I focused on bigger concepts instead. Thanks for the comment!

[@cyanolite8070]

having a normal igl is going to ruin their aggressive playstyle, happened with benkai

[@edeyy]

@@cyanolite8070true, so let it be. eventhough its double edged sword, either go big or go home

[@misslen575]

Watching masters 2024 i could tell that they did tone down on the aggression but they got aim and reaction diff by sentinels and gen g, i do see room for improvement though Now that jingg is back and after 2-0ing T1 in shanghai, I hope they can work together more and play off each other, sad to see monyet being benched but he just isnt at jingg level yet, plus ilya needs to chill in GFs he is so good normally but he just 😵‍💫 everytime things get intense

[@evif9377]

They did win Apac with a reverse sweep! But I agree with your video

[@czarryknoxx]

Im a huge prx fan since years ago, and with all due respect, the Apac league is considered as a regional tournament, and this video is about international events.

[@ryanrodriguez644]

He did say internationally. That was a domestic win

[@thesilvanalyst6880]

Looking at the way they play, I'm really confused why they don't incorporate Chamber more into their comps. Chamber loves both sides of their defensive playbook. He is happy to wait on the other side of the map, holding down a large area solo to get a pick before getting out and playing retake (which they tend to do already) and he also loves to go with the aggressive side to stay in a pushed up position, while the rest of the team rotates away.

[@SecondThing-km4mq]

They usually overthinking, tried to counterplan, like when we saw they use Neon in the decider map vs FPX, they do this multiple time to recreate something new, unexpected, but some players seems need time to fit the role, for example when Something using Breach in Fracture, he usually just buy sheriff instead of flash when eco XD, but Someting being Something, he can get some kills

[@konosuba350]

Agree with this also happen again vs eg on bind map they should stick with harbor comp, their Yoru comp on grandfinal always backfired them.

[@unbox_view]

3rd masters Madrid 2024, they are consistent

[@sirchuzz]

this aged well

[@mrslickman3061]

Yeah they definitely need a sentinel or viper to complete their comp so they don't get run over on weak side if they do want to call an aggressive play on strong side

[@dracoking1300]

A funny video idea would be you getting a bunch of low retated players, and make up a story about how it's a pro match and analyze it like a pro match. Then you can reveal it was a troll, IDK why but that just sounds funny af and content gold.

[@cirrin]

YES

[@FaizanKhan-dd2mk]

i want them to win so bad, they are the only team fun watching

[@leosimvuiseng2926]

Us asian server player sg and hk server player like paper rex we hardly to tone down aggression cause everyone there know that someone play passive or cowardly is just cowardly play person but play passive too much also cost the game too much

[@Slippas3]

this is their best chance now. hoping

[@user-cl2ey9hn8p]

I don’t know why they change comp on bind in gf

[@buddy8120]

The BO5 curse💀

[@nishantsharma1754]

and then again 3rd place masters madrid 2024...definitely uncrowned kings ;-;

[@-himesawako-2233]

Its risk tho bcuz they dont have an actually igl somrhow prx need some real genuis to run with their roster or maybe waiting till they mastered at all techniq and all plan which thats kinda far from now

[@1nterzept661]

Paper Rex's biggest strength is also their weakness. They'll make unexpected fast plays that often works but when something and Jingg overheats and backfires their play immediately gets destroyed. Once their play gets read, Paper Rex start to crumble. You'll actually notice it when rewatching their Champions Grand Final against EG and the AfreecaTV League Finals against Sentinels.

[@ImTheSiIence]

Banger video

[@finalion]

Feel bad for the PRX tables

[@CRZYTNKI]

My headcannon is that PRX was had only unlocked 3 agents or smth.

[@nikhilt3755]

without watching video i can tell their mistakes. - not checking corners - dry peeks - solo peeks - too aggressive such that within first 15 seconds of game either they kill 4 of their enemies or 4 of their teammates would die - overheating, pacific teams overheat and throw in a 5 match game

[@Asr.-]

i hope this loss would give them the experience needed so that they wont overheat

[@GC-by6iz]

jinggg hasn't actually entered the military yet. once in he's not getting out except on weekends so that 6 man thing is moot.

[@massouleh854]

good thumbnail

[@Safcraft69]

bro "mechanically diffed" was not a term I expected to hear in pro tournaments

[@platoonval]

There probably isn't necessarily an "aim" difference since most pros have great aim, but I mainly mean how teams take fights and control space together.

[@Safcraft69]

@@platoonval ahh I see, I was merely mentioning the fact that you mentioned it

[@gena_duck852]

i feel like grand finals are kinda unfair to the upper bracket team since they are eliminated off one loss instead of two

[@l3lessedd]

upper bracket gets a map ban, so it cancels out

[@tbnprathades1631]

any update regarding your nrg test

[@platoonval]

No response from them so it's probably a no!

[@ninjajamesplayz7942]

yay thank you

[@WeebSanxD]

どうもありがとう、相棒

[@jai_nasu]

"picking up monyet should let prx play more double controller comps"

[@randomosugamer]

3rd place at madrid oh crapppp

[@Saurabhw21]

I believe, if for once they play a tournament to win and not just play for fun, they can win easily.. But then i guess we wont enjoy that PRX as much as we do this.. I think a big chunk, if not half, of the valorant fun would be lost if there isnt PRX...

[@thelemonboy4]

oh nooooo

[@uresfffff222]

Prx had 2 map ban advantage against Eg but still lost 3-1 💀💀

[@ace.ethan7]

Also had it in the fpx grand finals as well

[@nayanaariyarathna2625]

Ur dad had a 2 map ban advantage but still ur mom ended up cheating on him

[@knightbot23]

@@nayanaariyarathna2625 what?

[@tali.rafi.a]

​@@nayanaariyarathna2625its been 4 months bro let it go💀

[@nsttechh]

its like NRG from rocket league before their season 8 win

[@Ascee1]

yes, something, will be awaken

[@dragonarc_gaming]

I don't think jinggg would keep playing after afreecaTv? The reason benkai was kicked was because alecks believed 6 man roster is bad and they need to focus on building synergy with only 5 man roster. If they keep playing in a 6 man roster shuffle then their agent pool would rise, but that would contradict on the reason why their original thinking when they kicked benkai

[@kath0015]

Midfreak does kj sometimes right?

[@jsf2898]

Mmm Forsaken was the KJ player on Pearl though, and outside of that map they never really picked KJ over Cypher or even no Sentinel agents at all

[@pottqssium]

Its d4v4i

[@flzemerald]

And now 3rd in 2024)

[@gigaazzahrawani6456]

History of 2nd place finisher: (2021) •Masters 2, Fnatic now 2 Trophies •Masters 3, Envy/OpTic won Masters 2022 •Champions, Gambit already won M3 (2022) •Masters Reykjavik, Loud won Champs '22 later •Masters Copenhagen, PRX •Champions, OpTic already won Masters (2023) •Lock In, Loud already have champs '22 •Masters Tokyo, EG won Champs '23 later •Champions, PRX and still the only 2nd place finisher without International (or Inter-Regional) Trophy. The bois are cursed.

[@fish25290]

The apac curse:

[@aidenfrost10]

2022 Masters should've been their tournament, when they were literally so unorthodox and unplayable.

[@yerrjvys]

not again...

[@luckluck77]

3rd Masters 2024 🥀

[@zaddy6362]

uncrowned king

[@JeSt4m]

PRX just reinvent themselves by putting Something on Gekko. Now he's the craziest Gekko in valorant, taking op in really aggressive angle, get out and stall. However Monyet still haven't found his place within the team yet. He's either too slow or too far from the team and it costed them several rounds in Masters. He still haven't shared the same single braincells like the rest of the boys.. yet. He's no replacement for Jingg but let's be fair,, no one can. He need to find his own role within PRX.

[@areenbhalekar949]

He was good with omen though

[@rizkyfarrelfernando]

another 3rd bro, gah damnn, they just need to lil bit more disciplined on their game bruh, they throw so many unnecessary rounds

[@kadekyogananda16]

the pressure on GF stage is differend, they are very good but not have the mentality as a champ

[@NicodemusBenaya]

and guess what, they were 3rd again

[@ipikin6428]

don't care, keep going aggro, lets go!!!!!!

[@user-nh3gq9gy2c]

If it works it works....