Matter is frozen light. A conversation with Rupert Sheldrake & Mark Vernon

The everyday stuff called matter turns out to be both more fascinating and stranger than we usually assume. In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon ask just matter is, beginning with contemporary ideas from quantum physics, in which matter is frozen light, as the physicist David Bohm put it.
They consider the relationship between matter and gravity, as well as matter and ancient notions of potentiality, which turn out to be surprising relevant today.
The differences between quantity and quality offer another conversational thread, with the discussion also drawing in wider questions, such as the nature of matter within the philosophy of panpsychism, and also the etymological links between matter and mater, or mother, revealing factors about material of which most are unconscious today.
For more conversations between Rupert and Mark see
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[@scottpitner4298]

Some think light isn’t important but Light does Matter

[@quantumpotential7639]

Light only matters because of the darkness. Now let us pray 🙏 for mo. Mo mo light. Mo no mo. MO!!!! Thanks 😊

[@kidq2230]

​@@quantumpotential7639 Darkness is formless, nothing at all.. and its existence is acknowledged solely because of Light.... Give thanks, nyctophile

[@Unfamous_Buddha]

@@quantumpotential7639- You can't have light without dark.☯

[@TheDalaiLamaCon]

Black Light Matters

[@spocker22]

Lol nice pun

[@SolidSiren]

"All matter is a condensation of light into patterns moving back and forth at average speeds which are less than the speed of light. You could say that when we come to light we are coming to the fundamental activity in which existence has its ground, or at least coming close to it.’ -Bohm

[@zabtej1645]

If you could define "speed" without the particle nonsense, it would be amazing, thank you! Speed of WHAT?

[@SolidSiren]

@zabtej1645 the only time speed is used in my comment is the first sentence. I don't see anything there that needs defining. Speed is defined as distance over time. The distance covered in an interval of tlme.

[@SolidSiren]

@@zabtej1645 There is no "particle nonsense" in the quote

[@zabtej1645]

@@SolidSiren Something that is NOT MOVING cannot have a speed. Light is NOT MOVING from A to B.

[@samervolino1981]

​@@zabtej1645 Incorrect. If light was not moving, how would light from the sun have ever reached Earth? Also, if something is not moving, it still has a speed of 0. Speed is just a rate.

[@curtisscott9251]

I think the most important point being made in this discussion, inadvertently by the way, is the necessity of having precise language. And I think that observation would bear out the fact that the language needs to be much more precise then exists in conversation, which is why, ultimately, we lean on mathematics. "Unfortunately, nobody can be told what the matrix is; - They have to see it for themselves. " - Morpheous

[@christopherellis2663]

Whence the o

[@TheRoadLessChosen]

Calculus was created to explain physics.

[@patricksee10]

Rupert and Mark are amongst the best scientific educators and popularisers of our time. Well done gentlemen and keep up the great work

[@lauravillanueva2175]

Very Particular. What a conversation for the Age. Appropriate and Timely. Brilliant.🎉

[@DanielEngsvang]

Well said!🙂

[@EricYoungArt]

This was fantastic! I love the breakdown of Matter as Mother and the symbolic analysis of our current world. Beautifully poetic and enlightening on many levels.

[@michel-jeantailleur]

Also interesting to think about the connection between 'pattern' (as in archetype or ideal form) and 'pater' - father.

[@lynnhall9957]

Pater & Mater. ❤❤ Just thoughts here. As a Christian, I cannot help but think of the Divine Conception-- Holy Spirit & Mary = DNA entangling in conception of 3rd person. A being both Human & Divine~ manifesting in a new form and type of human being which we can conciously engage.

[@geraldnelson5212]

Immortality

[@johnkelly7757]

​@@lynnhall9957an eternal golden braid.

[@SteveVanWinkle]

I'd give you 1 million dollars if you could explain anything they are saying. None of this is scientific. They repeat terms from science and concepts but do not explain anything. Breaking down words and numbers meaning is useless mumbojumbo. Taking meaning to this verbal diarrhea from both of these idiots is like taking advice from an AI chatbot. Sounds like a real conversation but is just nonsense unless you apply your own personal meaning to it.

[@kyzercube]

I think the term " frozen light " is misleading. A more appropriate term would be " bound energy ".

[@kyzercube]

@@antpoo The reason it's referred to as bound energy is because 99+% of all the mass in protons and really 100% of the mass of electrons ( their interaction with the Higgs Field forcing them to change direction back and forth along their paths ) is due to inertia... the forcing of these fundamental particles ( referring to quarks in the case of protons ) to change direction, as a result, binding them to a general area IS what gives them their mass. The idea of light being " frozen " gives the implication of absolute zero which is why I don't like it.

[@kyzercube]

@@antpoo Yeah I know. It is a type of bridge to give some idea to anyone that doesn't spend a lot of time on the subject. I'll admit I also kind of cringe when the concept of the Higgs Field is made analogous to " molasses " lol Sometimes I just gotta take a step back and chill.

[@geoffgjof]

Agreed. Perhaps solid objects are just the result of something similar to surface tension, but with exponentially more strength to repel and happening consistently throughout an object.

[@kyzercube]

@@geoffgjof The quantum world is pretty freaking weird no matter how you slice it. I mean think about resting your hands on a desk. The thing you feel as touch is the same electromagnetic force that you experience feeling a magnet repel a same charge side of another magnet, just much more greatly amplified. In the case of resting your hands on a desk, it's the repulsion of the valence electrons that make up the matter of your skin against the valence electrons of the atoms that make up the desk. And the strength of EM is so great compared to Gravity ( generally 10^36ish times greater ) that you can repel the entire force of the Earth's gravity by lifting up an apple with 2 fingers 🤣

[@geoffgjof]

@@kyzercube Yeah, it's pretty cool. I actually think it's all the same force, it just basically comes down to electron density along an exponential scale. Gravity is the force happening over a more distributed space, so the electron density is way less. Our brains think "earth big means more force" but if it's according to the density of electrons then it means solids repelling at the surface (and even liquids like water) are enough to overcome the more distributed force. However, once you get past any barrier that has more electron density then it is easier to move through it. This is why air is so easy to move through, while liquids have more resistance. The more evenly distributed the electrons are throughout the entire structure, the more solid an object is. And the closer the electrons are to each other the easier it is for energy to transfer through (that's how conductors work). Of of this follows the rules of entropy and thermo dynamics. It's just not based on linear thinking. And there are instances of density changes along the surfaces of objects that lead people astray. But I think we'll eventually find that gravity is just electromagnetism due to electron density. And when you have massive objects like planets, or stars, then the relative magnestism of any other smaller object is kind of irrelevant. I think once we finally measure earth's gravitational pull more precisely we'll see that it's not quite constant for every object. But the insanely miniscule amount of difference will essentially still be negligible and that's why our equations with the constant work.

[@user-ru5xz3lz9c]

"Matter is frozen light," the absolute truth.

[@YiOughta]

Einstein described what we call matter as energy, whose vibration has lowered enough to be perceptible, by us. I agree. There are likely many more forms we know nothing about.

[@YannikaLuvAI]

Yeah I always think about that when I see the word "matter". I've been trying to find more on that, but without the esoteric stuff that ppl have been adding to it. I'm not against esoteric ideas, but I'm a science person, that's all.

[@YiOughta]

@@YannikaLuvAI in terms of things like the Dougherty set and magnetohydrodynamics, it's all about vibration, harmonics and balance. We are just scratching the surface imo.

[@YannikaLuvAI]

@@YiOughta Yes, and it makes sense, since not too long ago looking to the world through the lens of science and reason was considered heresy and punishable by death. And it's mesmerizing how much we've learned and evolved since we started the transition to a more scientific approach. "Science! It works, bitches!".

[@taaskeprins]

"Us" being yet another form of matter with lowered vibration so us are perceptible by us. What does perceptible mean in this context?

[@YiOughta]

@@taaskeprins we have, since early times, based our entire understanding of things on photons and light is simply an expression of energy. That's our perception in a nutshell.

[@enkilm]

I am composed of frozen light, what a beautiful thought!

[@sergekannon9048]

Except, the light isn't really frozen. You are traveling at the speed of light in some other universe. You're just having a solid experience because you're traveling at the same speed of the photons around you. You're not really frozen. You're just moving at the same speed.

[@davidleake6491]

This is the best interview I've ever heard

[@bronsonstone725]

Splendid conversation. I was relaxing, having a cup of tea and listening when it made me laugh (not hysterically) to think you are embarking on eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

read the article, "Light is Heavy" by Nobel physicist Gerard 't Hooft and Martin van der Mark - matter is indeed light!! Great David Bohm quote. I've been corresponded with Bohm's collaborator Basil J. Hiley. Professor Hiley emphasizes noncommutativity as the secret of reality. I recommend you study noncommutativity. thanks

[@0.618-0]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't find any information about an article titled "Light is Heavy" authored by Martin van de Mark and Gerard 't Hooft. It's possible that this article may be from a specialized or niche publication, or it may not be widely available online. If you have more context or details about this article, such as where it was published or when it was written.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

@@0.618-0 It's on arxiv - which is the "preprint" for science academic articles (Unless your Nobel Physicist Brian Josephson who get rejected by arxiv - meaning arxiv is still closed-minded. hahaha). Physics > History and Philosophy of Physics [Submitted on 26 Aug 2015] Light is Heavy M.B. van der Mark, G.W. 't Hooft Einstein's relativity theory appears to be very accurate, but at times equally puzzling. On the one hand, electromagnetic radiation must have zero rest mass in order to propagate at the speed of light, but on the other hand, since it definitely carries momentum and energy, it has non-zero inertial mass. Hence, by the principle of equivalence, it must have non-zero gravitational mass, and so, light must be heavy. In this paper, no new results will be derived, but a possibly surprising perspective on the above paradox is given.

[@NishanthSalahudeen]

​@@0.618-0i did a quick search and first result came from arxiv. You didnt search right. Copy this and google.... "gerard hooft light heavy"

[@Spartanxxzachxx]

Google again bc it was the first thing that pops up when you search "light is heavy" it's by mb van der mark and GW t hooft

[@redzzon]

@@0.618-0 no response after four days for link to article. Did the light escape him?

[@ColinPaddock]

I appreciate that you keep the name labels up on the screen. It’s not as big a deal here, with two talking heads, but I’ve seen some documentaries where they introduce each of about 30 speakers, once, and then flip between them with no further introduction. I’m autistic enough that differentiating between multiple mild-looking middle aged guys in suits can be a real challenge.

[@thevet2009]

If matter is frozen light, then a black hole is frozen time. Jolly good show.

[@brentabel724]

The plane of resting. Infinite potential

[@MohammedSadeySalmi-cl5gj]

There is no such thing as a black hole. NASA is lying to you.

[@user-pi2hc6hd4c]

Frozen time. I like that

[@grantbishop1961]

And when you go beyond light and matter, it's all just a thought form emination from the One Mind.

[@philipstead5125]

Black holes are mathematical fabrications

[@TEKANNON-bz9fm]

It sounds so beautiful, matter is frozen light, Goethe said music was frozen architecture if I remember it right. Rupert and Mark, you are obviously masters of the mind in many ways, but I cannot help wishing that I could see what the end of this century is going to look like.

[@marklmansfield]

architecture was frozen music❔❔

[@TEKANNON-bz9fm]

@@marklmansfield GGGGGGreat to hear from you. I believe that is the quote I read from Geothe. Architecture is frozen music is how I recall it, but I've been wrong on quotes most of my life...

[@alanevery215]

At the end of a concert everyone in the audience disappears! I'm not convinced, I think they actually just go home !

[@marklmansfield]

@@alanevery215 😄

[@elywananda]

Wow, I did not except this convo to ebb and flow like this. Perfect for a long late night drive home on my own!

[@drewtheceo9024]

Absolutely intriguing content. I have never heard it called in such a manner. Frozen light! It is beautiful in its simplicity.

[@GrantStinnett]

I absolutely love this conversation. Beautiful. Both of you, your ideas, and how you present them so gracefully.

[@auriuman78]

I kinda feel like we took a wrong turn at the atom vs Leibniz's monad fork in the road, though we have learned a great deal traveling the atomic road. I feel like once we realized atoms were divisible then we should have gone back to the infinitely divisible monad (which, by the way, you brought up the soul atoms 😊 and philosophically the monad fits quite well that particle). What are your thoughts, on monads? I mean Leibniz was a pretty smart guy. We still use his calculus notations. I am referring to Leibniz's monad for this question, though i believe Plato's formulation is one in the same just more primitive.

[@marcbelisle5685]

A light conversation that matters.

[@countdowntomidnight692]

I am no physicist so forgive my intellectual wantedness for the simplicity of this question. What is light made of? I have heard it sometimes behaves as a particle and sometimes a wave. I do not fully understand what a wave means in this context (for example: what exactly is making the motion of a wave when applied to the behavioral attributes of light). I have also wondered if we have ever viewed a photon, every video and photo I see is CGI so I have always been curious to know if we have an actual view of the structure of this quantum realm and the properties that make it up.

[@conradw3rd60]

Light is vibrating Ether, what causes the vibrating? Sound? Or something somewhere else, something different

[@kiegal4499]

Enlightening. Thank you.

[@user-oi6wi2di2z]

Finally... Good job fellas😊

[@masroorbukhari2145]

Consciousness and light are everything and are everywhere in everything.

[@hooked4215]

The magic of KZbin is that even a pair of old crackpoters can spread out in the internet.

[@meltingintoair7581]

The materialist empiricist paradigm has failed. You cannot get mind from non mind. So science denies that mind exists. But that’s obviously false because the one thing we know for sure is that we think, therefore we have minds. Surely the non physical nature of photons points to the mental nature of photons. But none of this examination is possible under the materialist paradigm. Instead, a backwards denial of the mind is undertaken and all instances of zero and infinity being solutions to quantum mechanical equations are airbrushed out of academia. Because zero and infinity are the numbers of the mind but we are forced to pretend that mind doesn’t exist.

[@chuckcantillon4764]

Old crack potters vs. new un damaged vessels? Or just younger and still cracked? Like our species hasn't the hardware to observe the big picture? We re Like a dog learning algebra?

[@meltingintoair7581]

The magic of the 21st century is that thinking free willed minds can be fully convinced that they are not thinking free willed minds and instead mere robots.

[@PaulHere1953]

The unfortunate thing about KZbin is that some fart of a person can put his twopence worth in and call them ‘old crackpoters’. I tend to think that the vocabulary you have used belongs to a complete fart, perhaps more to that of an arsehole?

[@Owen_Barfield]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[@nigelwilliams7920]

Great interview - thanks. Rupert, firstly thank you for your pragmatic presentation, it is great to hear you touching on deeper issues beyond just the 'mechanics' of matter and mass. If I may paraphrase; around 3:50 in this video you intimated... "Mass of matter has two aspects: Inertial mass that binds it to a state of motion and a place, The Broglie equation tells us that the frequency of a masses vibration is proportional to the mass involved, the faster it vibrates i.e. the more mass it has then the more it is tied to its place. And the gravitational effect relating to mass where all matter is interconnected throughout the universe, so a particle of matter has to know where it is and how much of it there is so that it can react to the other masses appropriately. Its much much more mysterious than just little billiard balls trundling around" "...it has to know where it is..." Indeed. That is a fundamental issue with our current view of the 'subatomic' world. Researchers tell us that various particles behave in certain defined ways; electrons repel each other, but are attracted to protons etc etc. My base-line query is: how does an electron 'know' that it has to act that way? As an occasional builder of small robots, I can quickly appreciate the systems needed by the electron and all other particles. These include: a) a sense of 'self' and knowledge of the properties of itself. (I'm an electron and I have a negative charge and a mass of so many ev, a spin to the left and I fear I may have left a heater on in my bedroom!). b) a navigation system which tells it where it is, and its current position and velocity in relation to the universe. c) a sensor suite which is able to detect the position, velocity and identity of every other particle in the total actual universe - not just our 'observable universe' (all quite straightforward stuff, provided one has enough RAM). Indeed, since the influences on our electron can legitimately extend beyond any arbitrary boundaries of 'our' universe, the sensors need to detect 'everything there is', just 'everything', not just 'our universe'. d) a look up table which defines the properties of those particles near and far and provides instructions on how our electron must respond to the influences of those particles (another electron close by: move away at a certain acceleration and direction. A massive galaxy 50 megaparsecs away - say the local Great Attractor - then swing on by, etc). e) a calculating engine which can combine all the influences of every particle in the actual universe upon our electron to provide a singular direction and speed instruction, and to provide control outputs at a rate that is appropriate to the electrons' situation. A sub-Plank-Time control loop frequency would seem to be necessary to sustain an orbit around a nucleus with reasonable fidelity, and to avoid unfortunate collisions with other nearby particles. f) a means of propulsion which enables the electron to move in the required directions and velocities. g) an energy source to sustain the 'self'; to power the sensor suite and motion system; and to run the on-board compute required to operate the entire electron unit, in perpetuity, of course. I am perturbed when I hear researchers say that a particular particle or even a tangible mass like Newton's apple behaves in a certain way; my reflex question is always: how does it know that it should do that, and how does it do it? An electron-robot is a very complex and wonderful thing, with almost every necessary attribute as yet undiscovered. Thanks again. We would appreciate you comments!!

[@jcinaz]

The point about matter as frozen light is that all matter is composed of electromagnetic forces, and the smallest “property” of that energy is nothing more complicated than what can be imagined as a vortex of a spinning “something.” That “something is akin to a singularity, a dimensionless point. That description fits what we think we know about photons. A photon, of course, is not “particle.” It is a point from which energy radiates. In the Unified Physics theory of Nassim Haramein, it is better known as a Planck Spherical Unit (PSU), which, in and of itself fits the description of a singularity (aka, a black hole). A single proton (not photon) is made up of billions of PSUs, or, if a PSU is also a photon, a proton is made of billions of photons - ergo, “frozen light.”

[@MpiraLux]

Hi, Mark & Rupert ~ Regarding Rupert's insight about matter = mother - I would add the word 'meat' as in the 'flesh' (which is also etymologically related or derived from the same Old English 'mete' Frisian, Old English, Germanic root words) symbolically referring to the infant's first nourishment in breast milk, etc.) and Rupert's phrase "the unconscious cult of the mother goddess" - it occurred to me as an Enneagram enthusiast teacher and student, the fall of Adam from Enneagram Type 1 (eyes open and alert to one's nakedness) then falling down to Type 4 who 'fastens' together an apron from the matter of 'fig leaves' at the motherly Type 2 (the maternal/nurturing Enneagram type) who is known for giving and self-sacrifice of herself to the needs of others; and so the naked and fallen Adam and Eve feeling uncovered, bare, are ashamed, anxious, and afraid, reach out to Type 2 to 'fasten together' (from which the word 'fashion' is derived) a "covering" for themselves i.e., a false persona in which to hide from God and identify with, blend in among and merge with the other trees so to identify as one with them, to have a new false identity and covering, i.e., persona. I shared my insight with a well-known Enneagram author and teacher, and he was quite taken with this idea, of this pattern 'encoded' in the sequence of the biblical fall of man metaphorically and asked where I got it. I answered that I observed it in the bible passage itself and arrived at it by applying the Enneagram to it.

[@user-nb4ex5zk3w]

Standing next to a large group starting to meditate I felt a wave of stillness pass through me....the person next to me indicated he felt it too...as if energy fields were interacting.

[@Jamaal199]

This was really illuminating. I feel heavier!

[@user-uj7zm1ng5t]

I feel encouraged.

[@masroorbukhari2145]

Excellent lively discussion. Thank you.

[@krisduffin5182]

This reminds me of the theory of “microvita” developed by P.R. Sarkar, the Renaissance spiritual teacher. Microvita are subtle matter that is smaller and more fundamental than quantum or string theory describes. There are lots of KZbin videos about microvita.

[@quantumpotential7639]

Remember Vitavitavegamin? What a great health product. 💪

[@paulpaul5265]

Excellent, loved it

[@sybentley6675]

This title grabbed my attention. Because of course it is.

[@TreeLuvBurdpu]

People have had a long history of trouble accepting numbers as quantity, rather than numerology, but advancement has come out clearly on the side of quantity. Numerology leads only to mysticism, confusion, and darkness.

[@peterfrance702]

Lovely. That is the first time I've heard anyone espouse the idea that direction is somehow fundamentally embedded in matter. I had the notion that direction might be embedded in the spacetime field or whatever it is that planets and stars float about in, but I prefer Rupert's approach.

[@WildLifePrime]

Space has no properties

[@scottjones-singersongwrite6193]

This is fascinating. Like a magic carpet ride!

[@xGREENxWOMANx]

love this conversation! you’re expanding my mind 💚

[@bradwang7436]

Spot on

[@paulkeogh7077]

Profoundly insightful and meaningful perspective on the dynamics of reality. 🙏🏼

[@fluidsystems1554]

love the metaphor 'matter is frozen light ' Connective/fascial tissue has similar properties. resulting in restriction/viscosity of blood flow into nooks and cranny's. manual therapy like Osteopathy releases this 'frozenlight'

[@CPHSDC]

Osteopathy? Have you seen the light?

[@quaziz]

One could say that as light is one manifestation of energy. Energy converts to matter (stored energy) and when heating up, matter returns to radiant energy again

[@greenspiral2955]

Love Rupert Sheldrake. And I stumbled over my expectation to hear the words: Walter Russel.

[@notvadersson]

I recall the idea of “crystallization” in understanding the images served on a “high definition” television screen for mass consumption. So this idea of “froze light” has connotations of hard or immobile: inanimate; yet it has somehow captured something of the animate spirit: light. I am reminded of Barfield’s essay The Harp & The Camera where he suggests the evolution from the premodern to modern modes of perception by metaphor. I am also reminded of George MacDonalds essays on the imagination in which he talks about the light within all incarnate nature & the Father of Lights.

[@notvadersson]

@@laserhobbyist9751 I can’t call it. Where is freedom found? Perhaps it’s in the dynamic alternation between unity & multiplicity. Is incarnation an imprisonment to finitude? Maybe. Or maybe it’s some kind of freedom to individuate? I just have lots of questions.

[@chuckcantillon4764]

Wind among many other contributions transfer the promiscuous energy into ocean water, when waves crash on the sand, you feel the energy escaping, body surfing or getting pinned to the bottom , the energy leaves the water, so the light energy is trapped in matter? Or temporarily being promiscuous as matter , until when?

[@chuckcantillon4764]

Fine structure constant is a number with no units attached to it? Every other number seems to have units of time or distance. How is the FSC different?

[@chuckcantillon4764]

God is the tiny spark of energy in everything, quantum God? , that works

[@shrisheel]

Red Dwarf had a character who was a hard light hologram called Rimmer. He could interact with matter, smell, feel pain etc, 30 years ago.

[@wayneenosjr4747]

Wow what a deep dive into the basic building blocks of all we are and everything everywhere in our Universe! 😀

[@jamesmonoghan1281]

Brilliant!

[@garybridges9482]

Aye, that was smashing!😉🤯😎much love Gary from glasgow

[@AquariusGate]

Im no scientist but i can figure this about quantity; the more tightly we define the movement and action of something, the less potential that expression carries. Quantity seems an ingredient of thought, a weight our mind puts on the detail. What quantity is being quantified, if not uncertainty? Quality is a different thing altogether, we can discover and learn the nature of influences and significances playing important roles in our day to day. Matter is an idea that made motion easier to interpret. Materialism is now the obstacle of progress. We are energy reflecting on light and darkness. What any scientists miss peering into stuff, and how the intelligent world is misled is seeing information come from things. Information is created in connections, where observation meets features of consideration.

[@nealnorman5961]

😊

[@2k7u]

light... or lack thereof?

[@portalsandmagicghostnumbercube]

I discovered that invisibility is the inverse form of a holodeck; a virtual reality at its most basic. You turn an invisible object outside-in you'll have a holodeck, but if you try to turn a holodeck inside-out you'll only have an invisible object only in the setting that the holodeck depicts. This asymmetry seems to require an infinite multiverse solution of choices for a holodeck to become an invisible object as easy as an invisible object can become a holodeck. Holodecks are a by-product of sending light thru an object to make it invisible in the first place. Now, to make good use of this inverse relationship you can create what I call Photographic and Televisual Portals. Invisible outer shell with a holodeck inside; a portal! The inverse relationship can be exploited even further in telepresence. This would be a further duality between the background environment of the holodeck and any telepresent volumetric virtual form of an apparent solid visual object. Three qualities of a portal: 1. an external cloak, 2. an interior backdrop holodeck scenery and 3. a volumetric holographic display of objects within the holodeck. Telepresence between portals would rely on a chain of mirror-worlds between the material and the virtual, oscillating between the two in a dual-televisual correspondence between the two Televisual Telepresent Portals. I'm curious if there's a matter counterpart inverse relationship between fields and energy. Is there an Inmaterial/Material inverse relationship to compliment an InvisibilityHolodeck inverse relationship that has its own circular mirror-world recursion, oscillating between materials and immaterial? I'm curious to know how the Higgs field gives energy its own circular, emergent properties of solidity. With both the visible and physical counterparts, that would come together in a simple symmetry, that would be the Holy Grail of not just photographic and televisual portals. It will be what true Cosmic Portals consists of; a cloak immaterial to outside touch with an interior holodeck that gives light a physical form from its virtual place. A complete portal would be fully invisible/holographic and immaterial/material. Visual and haptic senses complete.

[@davidhubbardmd]

Min 3:20 "...according to the De Broglie equation, the faster the mass vibrates, the more it is tied to its place..."

[@fredcunningham9753]

Great pod

[@writerofunimportantthings]

This is fascinating

[@mtbers]

I’ve come to view each moment in time as a potential observation that could cause wave function collapse in quantum mechanics. I see humans, through their continuous perception of time and reality, as the observers in this process. I liken humans to complex apparatuses that interpret signals from the environment, and I consider this interpretation as a form of observation in the quantum mechanical sense. I’ve also started to view consciousness as this signal interpretation process, drawing parallels between human consciousness and the operation of a scientific apparatus.

[@mariaashot5648]

"Uniformitarianism?" 🤣 There's all those missing stars that inexplicably just vanished... Someone is signalling to intelligent life on earth. Like that song by One Republic, "When the Love Runs Out": "say your prayers at night..." Even large celestial objects might suddenly simply disappear. Accept the unpredictability of everything precious to you, and take nothing for granted. Thank you for the scintillating conversation. I shall return for more.

[@patrickbureau1402]

Thx Teacherz - btw Couzinz - " the steam gages & governers" of the Victoria Era ushered in the dawn Cybernetic revolution What iz your FitWatch telling you to next & how is your heart rate !🇨🇦

[@dischronic]

My question would be what caused the "light", or energy to be "frozen" or bond into the forms around us? Is there an underlying organized system controlling this process? Sometimes symbolized by Mathematics?

[@colingallagher1648]

Frozen light or hardened high energy light has always been a very sublime way to describe matter

[@TheSietch]

LOL!- that You are in a serious manner making such an utterly funny analogy is just fascinating! It’s entertaining - but the only meaning it conveys is the fact that *any* content can and will resonate with somebody out there in the many corners of the digital space.

[@ghostfifth]

I think this is beyond your minds comprehension

[@MrDayinthepark]

You know you're listening to a very smart person, when he says "there's so much we still don't know".

[@ColinPaddock]

I’m not smart, but as I’ve been educated I’ve made that observation. The more you know, the more you’re aware of how much you don’t know.

[@Jfonner09]

I’m going out of my way to try to communicate this concept to my young children as they learn. Anyone who claims to know all there is to know on any topic is highly suspect. The joy of learning, of existing, is found in the questions we pursue.

[@theSimulist]

Not really, you have to be pretty dumb to think otherwise.

[@jacqloock]

Which is to say standing waves in quantum foam or whatever multidimensional medium in which transitory waves are observed as photons.

[@encounteringthetrinity]

Brilliant, per usual! I especially ppreciated the allusion to the work of DBHart. Thought this point might have been beneficially expanded a bit to include Mark's review of Aristotle's 4 causes. I take the thrust of DBH's philosophy of science and mind to be that the conflation of formal and final causality into material causality accounts for the mechanized worldview in which we are now philosophically imprisoned. I wonder if Rupert's quest for morphic fields is not at bottom a bid to resurrect final causality?

[@ryanmercer600]

Rupert is insightful and truly educated

[@ronaldkemp3952]

When EM fields or light comes to a rest or is measured it converts into an elementary particle. When the EM field of two distant sources collide in the vacuum of space they convert into a pair of charged particles, one positive and the other negative. This was proposed in the Pair Production theory back in the 60's. Energy can't be destroyed, so when it comes to a rest instead of winking out of existence it converts into elementary particles, m=E/c². In particle accelerators physicists discovered 1.22 MeV of kinetic energy is produced when a pair of protons collide. Then the opposite is true. When the EM field's energy equivalence of 1.22 MeV comes to a rest in the vacuum of space it would produce a pair of hot, charged particles. I suspect that elementary particles are indeed bundles of light.

[@adamkendall997]

I had the thought that matter is just condensed light. Like the condensation on the bathroom mirror after a hot shower. The speed of light is the "dew point" of the universe and just like the dew point of the atmosphere, if you pass the saturation point, you get water condensation.

[@user-mw4yp3jm1v]

In the beginning, there was light.

[@kyzercube]

You sure it wasn't darkness? ( Yes that is a Legend pun ) 😆

[@mspapworth1]

Actually, in. The beginning was the heavens and earth. Then, sometime later, there was light. That suggests to me that light is carried on a field that initially was not there.

[@mspapworth1]

Isaiah 45.7 says “I form Light and create darkness. that suggests to me that light is carried on a field, which can be switched off. It was in ancient Egypt

[@kyzercube]

@@mspapworth1 This is where the concept of time can be misinterpreted, philosophically ofc. There is eternal, and then there is the beginning 😛

[@MrToontuber]

There is no "beginning".

[@BrianEdmonston-qx7qf]

Matter is bounded light and that is why matter can travel faster than light.

[@litttoe]

"Are our everyday assumptions wrong? Should we be experiencing the universe differently?" Great questions! Yes!!!

[@ArtisticImpressionsbyBobRouth]

I don't think we can understand matter until we understand gravity. Light is just a frequency of the EMF so freezing it is not possible. It is my theory that Gravity is an effect of the hyperbolic field created by the collapsing dielectric field as the EMF expands. Every emf creates gravity even at the quantum level.

[@cosmic_sky_mountain]

mind or matter , never mind , doesnt matter

[@dabass438]

Mystics have always said everything is energy resonating at differing frequencies.

[@bsmith577]

It's not matter that is vibrating but space within matter and its effect within the space of the universe. This is what the universe is and all effects connected with it. This is gravity and its effect with matter and space.

[@user-oi2rd8yl2u]

"A proton is light frozen in a proton field, an electron is light frozen in an electron field", you say." Matter is light frozen in a Higgs field". Hence if I understand it correctly, x is light frozen in an x-field, with x being a neutrino, an electron, a quark, a photon, an atom, a molecule, a crystal, ,an apple, a book, a mountain, a planet, a galaxy, a universe, anything and everything. The strength of this dazzling explanation is its circularity, tautology making it infallible, congratulations. Are then these almost infinitely many different fields components of an overarching "Higgs field" of anything and everything? I wonder what the Greek philosophers would say. .Precious is however the insight that matter is frozen light in many different ways .

[@oliviergoethals4137]

IMPORTANT ADDITION: In an non-naive idealistic worldview, matter is a relational expression between the (personal) observer and a transpersonal mentation (Φ in IIT). It's interaction resists and collapses into relata or matter. Matter is meaningful and subjective for each observer. It's seemingly objective qualities (it's quantities) are a consequence of the similarities between the observers... That's why most humans share a consensus meta reality. Matter is not objective out there it is experienced as objective because we are similar agents and have a similar relation to Φ.

[@cryphowns7536]

None of this is true, sounds like an abstraction of what is the Spiritual Realm

[@oliviergoethals4137]

@DianaS42 a tree itself is an observer (self organizing in time and space and phenomenal conscious of it's environment)

[@TheOneAndOnlySame]

What a load of quackery What you do is wordplay. It's dialectic. it's worthless. That's why physics uses maths and not poetry.

[@TimJSwan]

I keep telling people that light and quantum are the direction of "outward" from our 4-space, but I don't know if they understand or listen.

[@ramchandradey4059]

Is spirit the frozen delight or vitron when matter is frozen light ?

[@TheTruthIgnored]

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[@ppetal1]

A great idea, but he's making it up. Pure Art.

[@christopherellis2663]

Matter is slow light, light is fast matter. 😊

[@fast_harmonic_psychedelic]

exactly! - its light moving at C - but in a stacked spinning loop. its moving just as fast as it always does - but its linear velocity converted into angular velocity, it wraps around itself and creates the appearance of a large particle. an electron is a photon running laps around itsef. all particles are composed of photons of stacked spins. Photons dont have mass because they *are* mass.

[@avataros111]

Life is just another state of matter, and it is present everywhere the neccessary conditions are met. On every planet and perhaps even outside of planets. Some planets are alive themselves, such as the Mother Earth.

[@firnleyblouws2747]

Intention shapes the flow of matter.

[@lynnhall9957]

Does the localization have a connection with the speed of the light trapped in the forms of matter? Is the speed of light slowed down into the forms? Did Einstein say something related to this--like matter being forms of slowed down energy or light?

[@jyjjy7]

Yes, matter/mass is energy, and almost entirely spatially confined energy rather than anything instilled by the Higgs field. These people are oddly ignoring this now basic science and replacing energy with 'frozen light"... because they think it sounds more mysterious and cool? There's no knowledge being offered here, there's just semantic games that degrade our actual understanding of reality.

[@andycordy5190]

Quantity, just like time is a human construct. Very important, obviously. We have names for sub atomic particles and a complex set of particles and anti particles but this 'field' in which particles spin and waves oscillate is spoken of as a matter of fact, so it must be where matter is but not necessarily where it is not. We are told that random fluctuations can be detected in a vacuum demonstrating that quanta can spontaneous appear and disappear in a void and of course photons can pass through it.

[@nicholastaylor9398]

I understand that conservation of energy is associated with the time-reversibility of the basic laws of physics, which seems essentially to express 'nothing happens' (c.f. Peter Atkins of Oxford). But it bothers me that energy seems to be a continuous quantity, and I don't see how a continuous quantity can be conserved in general. This gets even more awkward when one considers the tiny increments of, or transfers between potential and kinetic, energy conferred to a material object in a gravitational field. A related question is how fields can be continuous - as I understand it both material fields and wave functions are represented as f(x,t). Another question, albeit rhetorical, is why excitations in a field, e.g. electrons in the electron field, do not disperse and remain discrete.

[@czarlguitarl]

As Sheldrake says we don't have matter that carries light, I'm not saying he's wrong but he's bending close to the way that some galactic superclusters, weighted down by dark energy, create the cosmic lensing effect, where we can see farther away. The dark matter does bend light, and in that case of cosmic lensing, it does carry it in a way; and this dark matter perhaps could be a candidate for the ether that ancients suspected was there...

[@dischronic]

What causes an Eddy in a flowing River, and considering this Eddy as "frozen" flow how can we apply this to our universe.

[@SolidSiren]

While I love Bohm and deBroglie both, the analogy that matter is "frozen light" is a poor one that falls apart rather quickly, even though we don't know nearly as much about the universe as we think we do

[@yuriimarshalofficial]

Energy is frozen information. Shape is frozen matter. Maybe better to use word “fixated” or “screwed on” because for each next essence state fermionic condensate acquires properties of locality, such lice cycle period or length, under the influence of heavy physical tensors.

[@acidtechno]

excellent ☕️

[@theseustoo]

As you're positing the notion of 'matter' as 'frozen light', I can't help but ask the obvious question: At what temperature does light 'freeze'? I.e. what is the 'freezing point' of light?

[@GuardianOfTheUniverse]

Matter is a Metaphor of Vibrational Language

[@metrologe]

Matter is crisalised consciousness (where cristalise is a metaphor and matter and consciousness are words with the limitaions of language)

[@missusbarkdog]

Electric Universe Model. When the numerologists turn to the proper orientation, we will begin to stop the nonsense. Crisalized my butt.

[@MHLivestreams]

I get what you say. Thoth the Atlantian said "the highest knowledge is unutterable, for it exists in lanes which transcend all words and material symbols. Symbols are but keys to doors leading to truths, and sometimes the key is so large that it obscures that which lies behind it" and my memory loses accuracy at this point, because it meandered into a paraphrase!

[@teemum.9023]

I heard that growth in the 3D world is moving to one direction in the 4D world. 4D is time. So frozen light is frozen in the 4D and it appears as solid matter in the 3D. Is this correct?

[@DemocraticSolutions]

Matter is just trapped energy frozen in a space time. As soon as there is a change in this space time, it converts into energy including light.

[@KazmirRunik]

Now if we could just get it to sit still

[@NoMoreNarrative]

39:25 30 sec before he says light is first act. It seems to me that it should be obvious that sound is the first act. I could be wrong, but this is according to some science show I'll have to find again to properly cite.

[@brentabel724]

If sound and light are but waves... then the water was first, the water was uncreated.. there was only a separation of the water

[@NoMoreNarrative]

@brentabel724 water could not be even its separate elements without wave function collapse. High enough frequency sound manifests. At a higher frequency, light manifests. If God said, "Let there be light, I lean toward the bible being an allegory," the meaning I get out of this is that sound is produced, and the sound energy is transformed into light. I forget what was said in the video, but if my memory is correct, this is what was said before my original post. Too lazy after 16 hr workday to double check.