PLAY TO WIN vs THE FERVENT ALCHEMIST - KORVOLD vs KINNAN vs MAGDA vs RIGO

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[@nicklay4274]

Great game! Noticed a small optimisation at 11:18, Dylan could have sacrificed the Animate Dead to the Korvold attack trigger, which would then cause him to sac the dockside, netting him 2x Korvold triggers instead of one.

[@burnsboy101]

I noticed at small optimisation 🤓

[@joshbailey7775]

Got to me before I could 😂

[@AIMLESS-NAMELESS]

Ah I just commented this

[@Cupakabra77]

Went to make a comment about this lol 😂

[@horribleville]

Does animate dead not have a clause where if creature dies its sacrificed

[@jamesgreenwood1703]

I’ve never understood the argument of spite plays when someone is attempting to kill you. Just bc you are backed into a corner against something that will almost certainly kill you doesn’t mean lay there and take it. Feels like law of nature to fight until the end

[@maximeyer3151]

I 100% agree.

[@burningnyte]

I think of “spite plays” as long game thinking. You’ll never do something to me in a game and expect to come out unscathed.

[@jamesgreenwood1703]

@@burningnyte to me I think it comes down to how much a play can positively impact you. Maybe if you think of magic as short term game to game, using removal on something that’s still lethal may come off as a spite play but in my mind in the next game they might not attack me for lethal bc they know there are consequences meaning something that looked like a spite play originally just need a bit more context to understand.

[@burningnyte]

@@jamesgreenwood1703 that’s what I’m saying.

[@PALIGames]

Right if I'm losing, I'm making it harder for you to win

[@benjaminwiler8271]

Glad to see that Tyler is trying something new! Always good to step out of your comfort zone!

[@Samothrace808]

“I got 6 at the sun stare!” If you thought that quote would go unacknowledged this is me acknowledging it. A classic.

[@wyatt5450]

I'm turning into Cam and Dylan I swear. Getting cEdh Rocco and Korvold, thank you both

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Good call

[@damo9961]

I have both those decks, but I realize a Dockside ban craps on both of them. I think Korvold goes from decent Cedh deck to outdated and unplayed and people underestimate just how much Rocco relies on Dockside too.

[@jakemaxwell3810]

​@@damo9961 It would hurt, but Rocco would kind of just be fine as much as any other deck that played it. Korvold would really miss it, but would go back to playing Food Chain and would not be the end of the world. Also no shot they ban dockside. No casuals care about it at all and it's not really broken in cedh, just strong.

[@antonypistachio5476]

@@jakemaxwell3810 Not broken in CEDH? It's unanimously considered the best card in Commander lol

[@jakemaxwell3810]

@@antonypistachio5476 I respectfully don't think it's broken. It's great, but I don't think it creates bad games or play patterns.

[@ayllipkhieu8659]

I love Rigo. Just as much draw power as tymna in colors you don’t see often in cEDH. Super cool to see

[@Its-Lulu]

God damn guys that ended up being grindier than I thought it would be 😂

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Sometimes those are the best games

[@daybreak817]

Love seeing Kai on here, he rocks.

[@faperito2389]

Solid mf

[@dave7592]

The amount of things Dylan was able to pull turn 2-3 is insane.

[@ZauN91]

Lmao the filter on Tyler's death. I've quit mtg after getting alienated by their one set a month bs but your channel is as enjoyable to watch as it was in the beginning, thanks for the quality content.

[@DexterityYTC]

I definitely think Cam’s choice to sac all his treasures was a spite play, but it’s the kind of spite play that doesn’t screw over a player, but rather makes the game more even for the remaining 2 players. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with doing that, I’m sure some might disagree, but making gameplay more interesting is always a positive to me.

[@ElderAlchemists]

Then it’s not a spite play

[@cinosaurus]

4:09 “my time to shine” lol! Me, everytime I counter my playgroups win con

[@Demon_of_Razgriz]

Gamble AKA Red Entomb strikes again. Also the amount of Korvold I'm seeing lately is so much fun. Fun commander

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Korvolds been getting a lot of new toys

[@wyatt5450]

Korvold always has the toys to play with

[@PubStompMTG]

Just like Sheldon Menery intended commander to be! To beat each other with a huge commander!

[@damo9961]

That guy never invented EDH it was played for 10 years before he got his grubby hands on it LOL. We used to play it during Nationals and Regionals as a way to unwind.

[@CosmicGiggalo]

That was a heck of a back and forth at the end to see who won!

[@leem.9934]

Hell with it. I've subscribed. Hopefully I see what y'all can do with an Urabrask someday. Not a cEDH player myself, but this is actually fun to see.

[@raedien]

Another great video. Wife saw and loved the Skull playmat. Just ordered two.

[@Flip4Crypt]

This was a really great episode! Loved the gameplay and the energy from everyone at the table! Great video as always guys! Also, I could be wrong, but I agree with Cam with that last play- I think there is a cost to killing a player- even if it's just a bolt to the face, it's not a spite play because it doesn't effect your win, but you did need to pay some kind of cost to kill Cam

[@MageSkeleton]

it was a very powerful matchup, and i feel like that preator's grasp pulling dockside out of magda crippled magda which tells me it needs some reworking and this is going to sound dumb but i recommend running the swords, including sword of the animist. It was satisfying that Kinnon got blown up relatively early.

[@yaakovkagel1015]

Loved the lists in this episode! Honestly, I love Tyler's Kinnan list. Perplexing Chimera is one of my favorite cards in casual and seeing it in CEDH is so fun! Tyler is a great deck pilot so I would really love to see him playing some other lists as well!

[@finlayfisken9817]

Yeah I wish kinnan/tyler actually did something this game lol, seemed like a slow hand to keep

[@janmelantu7490]

(You don’t lost the game if you’ve already won) -Reminder text on the Warriors’ Oath, the P3K functional reprint of Final Fortune

[@ferventalchemist]

Thanks again for having me on ❤

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Any time !!

[@christopherpatricklizares5306]

Interesting quirk: if the Animate Dead attached to the Dockside was sacrificed to Korvold, the Animate Dead would cause the Dockside to be sacrificed. This would draw an extra card. Loved the video! Thanks for all your hard work, guys!

[@jamescoulter267]

The Tyler kill animation was so good lol

[@LemorasCards]

Love seeing some MAD King representation on the channel.

[@bigscrub1875]

I was just looking for some Korvold content!! Nice timing 😂

[@deathbeard8308]

Love the Korvold play, I play it with food chain combo tho and few others, its easy to tutor for goblins

[@Timbuktu-qt2lj]

Awesome game guys! Love your gameplay videos and podcasts.

[@thomasnoonan2039]

Love this game! Good old combat damage...

[@sapowok8992]

I just love how Dylan says Do it at the start of the video it’s just so funny 😂

[@mikebenit3388]

Korvold storm is my favorite deck. I’ve played it for a few years now and it is by far my fave!!

[@connorbell5340]

Good god, Dylan these are your friends!!! What a fantastic turn two, regardless of not getting your ad Naus.

[@GrandPrimus]

This one was awesome. Love a good, decent midrange game.

[@loganschwartz4790]

So korvold is my actually cedh deck that I built with minimal proxies. Only 4 in the deck. It's a food chain deck with dockside loops if I need to treasure storm.

[@finnthehydra622]

Korvold is definitely in my top three favorite decks, and it is definitely my strongest by far except maybe Kenrith. I do typically win with combat damage, but I have a few ways to give haste. One of the deck’s secret MVPs is Chatterfang. There are enough cards making me treasure when I cast them that I always have some squirrels up for blockers even if the whole table is swinging at me. Just got a Sylvan Library and a few other cards recently that I’m about to put into it too. Not sure if I’d say it’s exactly CEDH, but it has won on turn 4 a few times

[@oklahomalongboards]

dylan my friend where can we get that amazing playmat in this video? old release or an upcoming halloween 2024 one?

[@TripsAhoy]

That was def a grindy finish! ❤❤❤

[@jonathonfoster3942]

Thank you soooo much for doing good Korvold stuff! I've recently scrapped him, but won so much magic with him. (But Nooooo! You were suppose to sack Animate Dead so that yu would have gotten 2 draws).

[@baz_wtf]

Great game! 🎉

[@faebyang2526]

Hey guys always wanted to ask do you guys own all the cards or do you proxy some of them like for example og dual lands. Love the content keep it coming, much love :D

[@void91g]

Quick Draw format: start 7 cards of choice in hand to start - standard from there - play test power combos god hands

[@lisaparker271]

That was an amazing game for korvold, i love how much value he produces. I am looking at more commanders that gain value from non etb sources as eleshmom has been more prevelant in my meta.

[@thatguy2781]

I don't know if you had this idea or made video about it. But what is the best Farm deck in CEDH, that'll be very cool to see

[@TheColts714]

Question were did you purchase those small treasure tokens that flip into mana there pretty cool.

[@josephahrens862]

Hey Tyler where did you get that ashikata from princess Mononoke alter for kinnian. It even has the red elk

[@speljester]

Where are the mana tokens from. I looked in the mech store but to no avail. They really make it easier to follow the action, thanks for using them.

[@whitesmith5985]

I also think that with Cam at the end, what he did wasn't a spite play because that's a cost for killing the player. Like if you're gonna kill me, I'm not going to pick you some flowers, I'll make it clear in advanced that if they kill me, the cost of doing so is me throwing whatever I have at them. So it's not a spite play, it's a cost that I'm going to keep my word on.

[@paulmcclain642]

Hell of a game, I thought that the Kinnan start was insane but then Korvold is like watch meeeeeeee

[@middknight5202]

KAI WHY YOU NO BOUNCE KORVOLDYMORT AT THE END THERE, THEN E-WIT THE SNAP TO BOUNCE HIRELING DX then the next turn do it again with E-wit 2.0 to save some time? Great game went a lot longer than expected! Cedh games like these make the format much more appealing! Thanks gents!

[@ferventalchemist]

I WAS HAVING FUN BRO I FORGOT

[@Ominous_severus]

Hey guys what are those mana and trigger and treasure tokens you used? where can i get those?

[@TheBowlingfanatic]

Korvold is incredibly strong! Been playing him in the last 5 cEDH tournaments I've gone to. Seeing him take a win here is awesome! Anyone that wants to get more involved with Korvold, the discord is always popping!

[@ryannaylor3982]

Anyone know where you can get those floating mana tokens?

[@chrisgoertzen3001]

I love it when a counter spell is just a free divination for me

[@krlbcn]

Kai doing the yeah boiii voice cracks me up

[@tomneilson9501]

this is my first time seeing the TES tokens in play wow theyre pretty and practical great gameplay as well

[@aidanschauer1581]

What an awesome game!

[@Eric_theMAD_King]

Great gameplay, that's why this channel is the standard. It's organic and great charisma. Really love the team at PtW. Also love seeing Korvold 😎

[@mitsosoftheelves]

Over-the-top game!

[@Joeshoerb]

What were those mana and treasure tokens that Dylan was using? They were super sweet!

[@BiCuriousGeorge1]

The epic storm’s Bryant cook makes them

[@mtgspanglish731]

Watching this, while 5 minutes ago was holding my korvold deck thinking to take it apart.

[@ArmorBreaker88]

11:15 if you sacrifice animate dead, you gain an extra korvold trigger - i see now a lot of others pointed it out too. so nvm

[@frankdetank9126]

That was a fun video! Have you ever considered making a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?

[@AIMLESS-NAMELESS]

11:22 this is a realllllllyy niche line but if you sac animate dead instead of dockside u draw 2 cards instead of 1 and get 2 counters

[@Jrocknrolla]

Awesome game as always! Where do you get those little tokens for mana tracking and treasures etc??

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Those are from The Epic Storm

[@tong9va]

For korvold player, Where do you buy those cool mana, float, and treasure chips? Or whatever you called?

[@Fogshaper]

Even though it didn't matter, there's a certain... feeling... that that bolt was actually on the spite play end of things. If there's a scenario where Dylan re-uses the ad naus that's known to be in the yard, those three life might matter.

[@bloodblade487]

At about 7:40, could Tyler have used his worldly tutor for a collector ouphe? If so, would that have shut Korvold down enough to stall effectively? :)

[@bloodblade487]

Actually! Instead maybe a Gilded Drake to steal Korvold?

[@cdee34]

What are those treasure/mana jawns and how do I get some

[@ChrisWilliams-hk3wn]

Hey guys looking at the decklist. Why no hoarding broodlord lines if you don't mind me asking? Korvold was my intro to cedh and kind of want to rebuild him

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

This was filmed when spoilers where still coming out and since it was my first run through of the deck I didn’t wanna rock the boat too much at first

[@ChrisWilliams-hk3wn]

​@Play to Win understandable. Figured it was filmed then lol. How do you feel about hoarding broodlord for the deck tbo?

[@josecuervo3086]

i love seeing a korvold deck do korvold things 🖤

[@alexippolito8002]

Please make a video of an updated version of Green Grixis(ikra kraum Kraun naus) I feel like there is a lot of new cards that upped the power of it and it was the deck Dylan played for awhile that got me to watch you guys consistently! Doooo itttt

[@jamallynch1218]

Great game

[@jonathonskogman8337]

I am starting to wonder if a thoracle/breach/nekusaur deck has legs in the current draw heavy meta?

[@jonathonskogman8337]

I mean I get there are far superior grixis commanders and all but that nekusaur clock is not nothing with the amount of card draw going on in the meta.

[@gordypordy7379]

Absolute W Video like always. MORE KINNAN MORE MAGDA MORE ZUR MORE ZAXARA MORE URZA ETC. EVERYTHING!

[@wasabi521]

Quick question how does Rigo win? Maybe I’m missing something but how does one empty the library that I’m missing.

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Hermit druid!

[@brentdeacon9218]

@playtowin I NEED those mana/treasure tokens, where can I get them?

[@Highwang]

lmao what was that AMV-esque edit at 11:31?

[@ultimateplaneswalke]

What's the product called for the mana tokens?

[@TheHippieDrood]

where did you get those mana tokens from Dylan?

[@almightyfireduck1135]

Where do y'all get those mana tokens from? Would love to have those for my storm decks

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

The Epic Storm!

[@almightyfireduck1135]

@@PlaytoWinMTG tysm!

[@matthewhalsan6459]

Damn, that red entomb really lengthened the game, but was fun to watch.

[@chisatofleck2387]

Where can I find those good lookin Mana Tokens and Treasures which Dylan used in the Game? Would love to buy them.

[@dasfabelwesen]

When you sac animate dead instead of dockside you get 2 draws, no?

[@BrunoCereza]

Where can i get those mana tokens Dylan was using? 😁

[@parzavil]

I was literally holding my breathe

[@jemm113]

Well damn, looks like my pile of Korvold cards will become my second competitive deck lolol! Now I just need to save up for a grim monolith to complete my set of cEDH rocks…

[@aHairyBaboon]

Cam, you have 5 left and the big yellow one is the sun :)

[@manadorkuk]

Ooooooph what a game

[@bigscrub1875]

Nice Brian Regan reference, Cam

[@notjohn2774]

Late night upload, couldn't sleep so this was nice lmao

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Perfect

[@musashibriem1352]

That turned into a gd rock fight at the end 😂

[@TheWaffleDad]

Korvold always feels like a boss fight

[@andythomas6236]

Playing korvold in a tournament next month 1st place gets a bayou. I'd love to see your deck list!!!!

[@davidmiller818]

Please please che k out my korvold list!! I has more ways to shimmer or reanimated dockside and the outlet to win outside of witherbloom and chain of smog is tied to how big korvold gets!! It's my absolute favorite deck. Very reactive and resilient!!

[@thetimebinder]

So, this is cedh now. A 10 turn game won through non-infinite combat. CEDH has become regular Commander.

[@alexquinton5462]

What are those mana tokens? And where can I purchase?

[@alexquinton5462]

Don’t just heart my comment answer the question! Lol

[@douglatins]

Cool game

[@matthewskullblood9778]

Nice

[@mitchelschafer1347]

I've always had the issue: play around rhystic or dockside? Seems obvious this game lol

[@danielpatriquin972]

Combos are fine in casual. Just notify the table before the game begins and don't cry when you get swung at. Life total is not a fair representation of your capacity to win if you combo so you should be targeted first if you play combos. Deck construction overall is the biggest issue with playing combos. If you only have interaction in your deck to protect the combo, you may upset the table. If you tutor for a combo early, you may upset the table. If you play a commander that combos with one other card and itself, you may upset the table. If your deck is nothing but staples and combos, you may upset the table. If you have a 8.5 or a CEDH shell and you combo you may upset the table. If you play fast mana and combo, you may upset the table. If you combo before turn 6 to 8 consistently, you may upset the table. That being said at the end of the day everybody should play the deck that they enjoy regardless. Build decks responsibly. Just be mindful that commander is fun because it is a group activity and other players want to enjoy the game also.