PLAY TO WIN vs THE FERVENT ALCHEMIST - KORVOLD vs KINNAN vs MAGDA vs RIGO

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Play to Win

Play to Win

Жыл бұрын

This week joined by Kai, the Fervent Alchymnist himself, as we try to figure out which one of our current PET DECKS is best in cEDH?
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@nicklay4274
@nicklay4274 Жыл бұрын
Great game! Noticed a small optimisation at 11:18, Dylan could have sacrificed the Animate Dead to the Korvold attack trigger, which would then cause him to sac the dockside, netting him 2x Korvold triggers instead of one.
@burnsboy101
@burnsboy101 Жыл бұрын
I noticed at small optimisation 🤓
@joshbailey7775
@joshbailey7775 Жыл бұрын
Got to me before I could 😂
@AIMLESS-NAMELESS
@AIMLESS-NAMELESS Жыл бұрын
Ah I just commented this
@Cupakabra77
@Cupakabra77 Жыл бұрын
Went to make a comment about this lol 😂
@horribleville
@horribleville Жыл бұрын
Does animate dead not have a clause where if creature dies its sacrificed
@jamesgreenwood1703
@jamesgreenwood1703 Жыл бұрын
I’ve never understood the argument of spite plays when someone is attempting to kill you. Just bc you are backed into a corner against something that will almost certainly kill you doesn’t mean lay there and take it. Feels like law of nature to fight until the end
@maximeyer3151
@maximeyer3151 Жыл бұрын
I 100% agree.
@burningnyte
@burningnyte 10 ай бұрын
I think of “spite plays” as long game thinking. You’ll never do something to me in a game and expect to come out unscathed.
@jamesgreenwood1703
@jamesgreenwood1703 10 ай бұрын
@@burningnyte to me I think it comes down to how much a play can positively impact you. Maybe if you think of magic as short term game to game, using removal on something that’s still lethal may come off as a spite play but in my mind in the next game they might not attack me for lethal bc they know there are consequences meaning something that looked like a spite play originally just need a bit more context to understand.
@burningnyte
@burningnyte 10 ай бұрын
@@jamesgreenwood1703 that’s what I’m saying.
@PALIGames
@PALIGames 6 ай бұрын
Right if I'm losing, I'm making it harder for you to win
@benjaminwiler8271
@benjaminwiler8271 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see that Tyler is trying something new! Always good to step out of your comfort zone!
@Samothrace808
@Samothrace808 Жыл бұрын
“I got 6 at the sun stare!” If you thought that quote would go unacknowledged this is me acknowledging it. A classic.
@wyatt5450
@wyatt5450 Жыл бұрын
I'm turning into Cam and Dylan I swear. Getting cEdh Rocco and Korvold, thank you both
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Жыл бұрын
Good call
@damo9961
@damo9961 Жыл бұрын
I have both those decks, but I realize a Dockside ban craps on both of them. I think Korvold goes from decent Cedh deck to outdated and unplayed and people underestimate just how much Rocco relies on Dockside too.
@jakemaxwell3810
@jakemaxwell3810 Жыл бұрын
​@@damo9961 It would hurt, but Rocco would kind of just be fine as much as any other deck that played it. Korvold would really miss it, but would go back to playing Food Chain and would not be the end of the world. Also no shot they ban dockside. No casuals care about it at all and it's not really broken in cedh, just strong.
@antonypistachio5476
@antonypistachio5476 Жыл бұрын
@@jakemaxwell3810 Not broken in CEDH? It's unanimously considered the best card in Commander lol
@jakemaxwell3810
@jakemaxwell3810 Жыл бұрын
@@antonypistachio5476 I respectfully don't think it's broken. It's great, but I don't think it creates bad games or play patterns.
@ayllipkhieu8659
@ayllipkhieu8659 Жыл бұрын
I love Rigo. Just as much draw power as tymna in colors you don’t see often in cEDH. Super cool to see
@Its-Lulu
@Its-Lulu Жыл бұрын
God damn guys that ended up being grindier than I thought it would be 😂
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Жыл бұрын
Sometimes those are the best games
@daybreak817
@daybreak817 Жыл бұрын
Love seeing Kai on here, he rocks.
@faperito2389
@faperito2389 Жыл бұрын
Solid mf
@dave7592
@dave7592 Жыл бұрын
The amount of things Dylan was able to pull turn 2-3 is insane.
@ZauN91
@ZauN91 Жыл бұрын
Lmao the filter on Tyler's death. I've quit mtg after getting alienated by their one set a month bs but your channel is as enjoyable to watch as it was in the beginning, thanks for the quality content.
@DexterityYTC
@DexterityYTC Жыл бұрын
I definitely think Cam’s choice to sac all his treasures was a spite play, but it’s the kind of spite play that doesn’t screw over a player, but rather makes the game more even for the remaining 2 players. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with doing that, I’m sure some might disagree, but making gameplay more interesting is always a positive to me.
@ElderAlchemists
@ElderAlchemists Жыл бұрын
Then it’s not a spite play
@cinosaurus
@cinosaurus Жыл бұрын
4:09 “my time to shine” lol! Me, everytime I counter my playgroups win con
@Demon_of_Razgriz
@Demon_of_Razgriz Жыл бұрын
Gamble AKA Red Entomb strikes again. Also the amount of Korvold I'm seeing lately is so much fun. Fun commander
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Жыл бұрын
Korvolds been getting a lot of new toys
@wyatt5450
@wyatt5450 Жыл бұрын
Korvold always has the toys to play with
@PubStompMTG
@PubStompMTG Жыл бұрын
Just like Sheldon Menery intended commander to be! To beat each other with a huge commander!
@damo9961
@damo9961 Жыл бұрын
That guy never invented EDH it was played for 10 years before he got his grubby hands on it LOL. We used to play it during Nationals and Regionals as a way to unwind.
@CosmicGiggalo
@CosmicGiggalo Жыл бұрын
That was a heck of a back and forth at the end to see who won!
@leem.9934
@leem.9934 Жыл бұрын
Hell with it. I've subscribed. Hopefully I see what y'all can do with an Urabrask someday. Not a cEDH player myself, but this is actually fun to see.
@raedien
@raedien Жыл бұрын
Another great video. Wife saw and loved the Skull playmat. Just ordered two.
@Flip4Crypt
@Flip4Crypt Жыл бұрын
This was a really great episode! Loved the gameplay and the energy from everyone at the table! Great video as always guys! Also, I could be wrong, but I agree with Cam with that last play- I think there is a cost to killing a player- even if it's just a bolt to the face, it's not a spite play because it doesn't effect your win, but you did need to pay some kind of cost to kill Cam
@MageSkeleton
@MageSkeleton Жыл бұрын
it was a very powerful matchup, and i feel like that preator's grasp pulling dockside out of magda crippled magda which tells me it needs some reworking and this is going to sound dumb but i recommend running the swords, including sword of the animist. It was satisfying that Kinnon got blown up relatively early.
@yaakovkagel1015
@yaakovkagel1015 Жыл бұрын
Loved the lists in this episode! Honestly, I love Tyler's Kinnan list. Perplexing Chimera is one of my favorite cards in casual and seeing it in CEDH is so fun! Tyler is a great deck pilot so I would really love to see him playing some other lists as well!
@finlayfisken9817
@finlayfisken9817 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I wish kinnan/tyler actually did something this game lol, seemed like a slow hand to keep
@janmelantu7490
@janmelantu7490 Жыл бұрын
(You don’t lost the game if you’ve already won) -Reminder text on the Warriors’ Oath, the P3K functional reprint of Final Fortune
@ferventalchemist
@ferventalchemist Жыл бұрын
Thanks again for having me on ❤
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Жыл бұрын
Any time !!
@christopherpatricklizares5306
@christopherpatricklizares5306 Жыл бұрын
Interesting quirk: if the Animate Dead attached to the Dockside was sacrificed to Korvold, the Animate Dead would cause the Dockside to be sacrificed. This would draw an extra card. Loved the video! Thanks for all your hard work, guys!
@jamescoulter267
@jamescoulter267 Жыл бұрын
The Tyler kill animation was so good lol
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards Жыл бұрын
Love seeing some MAD King representation on the channel.
@bigscrub1875
@bigscrub1875 Жыл бұрын
I was just looking for some Korvold content!! Nice timing 😂
@deathbeard8308
@deathbeard8308 Жыл бұрын
Love the Korvold play, I play it with food chain combo tho and few others, its easy to tutor for goblins
@Timbuktu-qt2lj
@Timbuktu-qt2lj Жыл бұрын
Awesome game guys! Love your gameplay videos and podcasts.
@thomasnoonan2039
@thomasnoonan2039 Жыл бұрын
Love this game! Good old combat damage...
@sapowok8992
@sapowok8992 2 ай бұрын
I just love how Dylan says Do it at the start of the video it’s just so funny 😂
@mikebenit3388
@mikebenit3388 Жыл бұрын
Korvold storm is my favorite deck. I’ve played it for a few years now and it is by far my fave!!
@connorbell5340
@connorbell5340 Жыл бұрын
Good god, Dylan these are your friends!!! What a fantastic turn two, regardless of not getting your ad Naus.
@GrandPrimus
@GrandPrimus Жыл бұрын
This one was awesome. Love a good, decent midrange game.
@loganschwartz4790
@loganschwartz4790 Жыл бұрын
So korvold is my actually cedh deck that I built with minimal proxies. Only 4 in the deck. It's a food chain deck with dockside loops if I need to treasure storm.
@finnthehydra622
@finnthehydra622 Жыл бұрын
Korvold is definitely in my top three favorite decks, and it is definitely my strongest by far except maybe Kenrith. I do typically win with combat damage, but I have a few ways to give haste. One of the deck’s secret MVPs is Chatterfang. There are enough cards making me treasure when I cast them that I always have some squirrels up for blockers even if the whole table is swinging at me. Just got a Sylvan Library and a few other cards recently that I’m about to put into it too. Not sure if I’d say it’s exactly CEDH, but it has won on turn 4 a few times
@oklahomalongboards
@oklahomalongboards 10 ай бұрын
dylan my friend where can we get that amazing playmat in this video? old release or an upcoming halloween 2024 one?
@TripsAhoy
@TripsAhoy Жыл бұрын
That was def a grindy finish! ❤❤❤
@jonathonfoster3942
@jonathonfoster3942 Жыл бұрын
Thank you soooo much for doing good Korvold stuff! I've recently scrapped him, but won so much magic with him. (But Nooooo! You were suppose to sack Animate Dead so that yu would have gotten 2 draws).
@baz_wtf
@baz_wtf Жыл бұрын
Great game! 🎉
@faebyang2526
@faebyang2526 Жыл бұрын
Hey guys always wanted to ask do you guys own all the cards or do you proxy some of them like for example og dual lands. Love the content keep it coming, much love :D
@void91g
@void91g 10 ай бұрын
Quick Draw format: start 7 cards of choice in hand to start - standard from there - play test power combos god hands
@lisaparker271
@lisaparker271 Жыл бұрын
That was an amazing game for korvold, i love how much value he produces. I am looking at more commanders that gain value from non etb sources as eleshmom has been more prevelant in my meta.
@thatguy2781
@thatguy2781 Жыл бұрын
I don't know if you had this idea or made video about it. But what is the best Farm deck in CEDH, that'll be very cool to see
@TheColts714
@TheColts714 7 ай бұрын
Question were did you purchase those small treasure tokens that flip into mana there pretty cool.
@josephahrens862
@josephahrens862 Жыл бұрын
Hey Tyler where did you get that ashikata from princess Mononoke alter for kinnian. It even has the red elk
@speljester
@speljester Жыл бұрын
Where are the mana tokens from. I looked in the mech store but to no avail. They really make it easier to follow the action, thanks for using them.
@whitesmith5985
@whitesmith5985 Жыл бұрын
I also think that with Cam at the end, what he did wasn't a spite play because that's a cost for killing the player. Like if you're gonna kill me, I'm not going to pick you some flowers, I'll make it clear in advanced that if they kill me, the cost of doing so is me throwing whatever I have at them. So it's not a spite play, it's a cost that I'm going to keep my word on.
@paulmcclain642
@paulmcclain642 Жыл бұрын
Hell of a game, I thought that the Kinnan start was insane but then Korvold is like watch meeeeeeee
@middknight5202
@middknight5202 Жыл бұрын
KAI WHY YOU NO BOUNCE KORVOLDYMORT AT THE END THERE, THEN E-WIT THE SNAP TO BOUNCE HIRELING DX then the next turn do it again with E-wit 2.0 to save some time? Great game went a lot longer than expected! Cedh games like these make the format much more appealing! Thanks gents!
@ferventalchemist
@ferventalchemist Жыл бұрын
I WAS HAVING FUN BRO I FORGOT
@Ominous_severus
@Ominous_severus Жыл бұрын
Hey guys what are those mana and trigger and treasure tokens you used? where can i get those?
@TheBowlingfanatic
@TheBowlingfanatic Жыл бұрын
Korvold is incredibly strong! Been playing him in the last 5 cEDH tournaments I've gone to. Seeing him take a win here is awesome! Anyone that wants to get more involved with Korvold, the discord is always popping!
@ryannaylor3982
@ryannaylor3982 Жыл бұрын
Anyone know where you can get those floating mana tokens?
@chrisgoertzen3001
@chrisgoertzen3001 Жыл бұрын
I love it when a counter spell is just a free divination for me
@krlbcn
@krlbcn Жыл бұрын
Kai doing the yeah boiii voice cracks me up
@tomneilson9501
@tomneilson9501 Жыл бұрын
this is my first time seeing the TES tokens in play wow theyre pretty and practical great gameplay as well
@aidanschauer1581
@aidanschauer1581 Жыл бұрын
What an awesome game!
@Eric_theMAD_King
@Eric_theMAD_King Жыл бұрын
Great gameplay, that's why this channel is the standard. It's organic and great charisma. Really love the team at PtW. Also love seeing Korvold 😎
@mitsosoftheelves
@mitsosoftheelves Жыл бұрын
Over-the-top game!
@Joeshoerb
@Joeshoerb Жыл бұрын
What were those mana and treasure tokens that Dylan was using? They were super sweet!
@BiCuriousGeorge1
@BiCuriousGeorge1 11 ай бұрын
The epic storm’s Bryant cook makes them
@mtgspanglish731
@mtgspanglish731 Жыл бұрын
Watching this, while 5 minutes ago was holding my korvold deck thinking to take it apart.
@ArmorBreaker88
@ArmorBreaker88 Жыл бұрын
11:15 if you sacrifice animate dead, you gain an extra korvold trigger - i see now a lot of others pointed it out too. so nvm
@frankdetank9126
@frankdetank9126 Жыл бұрын
That was a fun video! Have you ever considered making a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?
@AIMLESS-NAMELESS
@AIMLESS-NAMELESS Жыл бұрын
11:22 this is a realllllllyy niche line but if you sac animate dead instead of dockside u draw 2 cards instead of 1 and get 2 counters
@Jrocknrolla
@Jrocknrolla Жыл бұрын
Awesome game as always! Where do you get those little tokens for mana tracking and treasures etc??
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Жыл бұрын
Those are from The Epic Storm
@tong9va
@tong9va Жыл бұрын
For korvold player, Where do you buy those cool mana, float, and treasure chips? Or whatever you called?
@Fogshaper
@Fogshaper Жыл бұрын
Even though it didn't matter, there's a certain... feeling... that that bolt was actually on the spite play end of things. If there's a scenario where Dylan re-uses the ad naus that's known to be in the yard, those three life might matter.
@bloodblade487
@bloodblade487 Жыл бұрын
At about 7:40, could Tyler have used his worldly tutor for a collector ouphe? If so, would that have shut Korvold down enough to stall effectively? :)
@bloodblade487
@bloodblade487 Жыл бұрын
Actually! Instead maybe a Gilded Drake to steal Korvold?
@cdee34
@cdee34 Жыл бұрын
What are those treasure/mana jawns and how do I get some
@ChrisWilliams-hk3wn
@ChrisWilliams-hk3wn Жыл бұрын
Hey guys looking at the decklist. Why no hoarding broodlord lines if you don't mind me asking? Korvold was my intro to cedh and kind of want to rebuild him
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Жыл бұрын
This was filmed when spoilers where still coming out and since it was my first run through of the deck I didn’t wanna rock the boat too much at first
@ChrisWilliams-hk3wn
@ChrisWilliams-hk3wn Жыл бұрын
​@Play to Win understandable. Figured it was filmed then lol. How do you feel about hoarding broodlord for the deck tbo?
@josecuervo3086
@josecuervo3086 Жыл бұрын
i love seeing a korvold deck do korvold things 🖤
@alexippolito8002
@alexippolito8002 Жыл бұрын
Please make a video of an updated version of Green Grixis(ikra kraum Kraun naus) I feel like there is a lot of new cards that upped the power of it and it was the deck Dylan played for awhile that got me to watch you guys consistently! Doooo itttt
@jamallynch1218
@jamallynch1218 Жыл бұрын
Great game
@jonathonskogman8337
@jonathonskogman8337 Жыл бұрын
I am starting to wonder if a thoracle/breach/nekusaur deck has legs in the current draw heavy meta?
@jonathonskogman8337
@jonathonskogman8337 Жыл бұрын
I mean I get there are far superior grixis commanders and all but that nekusaur clock is not nothing with the amount of card draw going on in the meta.
@gordypordy7379
@gordypordy7379 Жыл бұрын
Absolute W Video like always. MORE KINNAN MORE MAGDA MORE ZUR MORE ZAXARA MORE URZA ETC. EVERYTHING!
@wasabi521
@wasabi521 Жыл бұрын
Quick question how does Rigo win? Maybe I’m missing something but how does one empty the library that I’m missing.
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Жыл бұрын
Hermit druid!
@brentdeacon9218
@brentdeacon9218 Жыл бұрын
@playtowin I NEED those mana/treasure tokens, where can I get them?
@Highwang
@Highwang Жыл бұрын
lmao what was that AMV-esque edit at 11:31?
@ultimateplaneswalke
@ultimateplaneswalke Жыл бұрын
What's the product called for the mana tokens?
@TheHippieDrood
@TheHippieDrood Жыл бұрын
where did you get those mana tokens from Dylan?
@almightyfireduck1135
@almightyfireduck1135 Жыл бұрын
Where do y'all get those mana tokens from? Would love to have those for my storm decks
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Жыл бұрын
The Epic Storm!
@almightyfireduck1135
@almightyfireduck1135 Жыл бұрын
@@PlaytoWinMTG tysm!
@matthewhalsan6459
@matthewhalsan6459 Жыл бұрын
Damn, that red entomb really lengthened the game, but was fun to watch.
@chisatofleck2387
@chisatofleck2387 4 ай бұрын
Where can I find those good lookin Mana Tokens and Treasures which Dylan used in the Game? Would love to buy them.
@dasfabelwesen
@dasfabelwesen Жыл бұрын
When you sac animate dead instead of dockside you get 2 draws, no?
@BrunoCereza
@BrunoCereza Жыл бұрын
Where can i get those mana tokens Dylan was using? 😁
@parzavil
@parzavil Жыл бұрын
I was literally holding my breathe
@jemm113
@jemm113 Жыл бұрын
Well damn, looks like my pile of Korvold cards will become my second competitive deck lolol! Now I just need to save up for a grim monolith to complete my set of cEDH rocks…
@aHairyBaboon
@aHairyBaboon Жыл бұрын
Cam, you have 5 left and the big yellow one is the sun :)
@manadorkuk
@manadorkuk Жыл бұрын
Ooooooph what a game
@bigscrub1875
@bigscrub1875 Жыл бұрын
Nice Brian Regan reference, Cam
@notjohn2774
@notjohn2774 Жыл бұрын
Late night upload, couldn't sleep so this was nice lmao
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Жыл бұрын
Perfect
@musashibriem1352
@musashibriem1352 Жыл бұрын
That turned into a gd rock fight at the end 😂
@TheWaffleDad
@TheWaffleDad Жыл бұрын
Korvold always feels like a boss fight
@andythomas6236
@andythomas6236 Жыл бұрын
Playing korvold in a tournament next month 1st place gets a bayou. I'd love to see your deck list!!!!
@davidmiller818
@davidmiller818 11 ай бұрын
Please please che k out my korvold list!! I has more ways to shimmer or reanimated dockside and the outlet to win outside of witherbloom and chain of smog is tied to how big korvold gets!! It's my absolute favorite deck. Very reactive and resilient!!
@thetimebinder
@thetimebinder Жыл бұрын
So, this is cedh now. A 10 turn game won through non-infinite combat. CEDH has become regular Commander.
@alexquinton5462
@alexquinton5462 Жыл бұрын
What are those mana tokens? And where can I purchase?
@alexquinton5462
@alexquinton5462 Жыл бұрын
Don’t just heart my comment answer the question! Lol
@douglatins
@douglatins Жыл бұрын
Cool game
@matthewskullblood9778
@matthewskullblood9778 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@mitchelschafer1347
@mitchelschafer1347 Жыл бұрын
I've always had the issue: play around rhystic or dockside? Seems obvious this game lol
@danielpatriquin972
@danielpatriquin972 11 ай бұрын
Combos are fine in casual. Just notify the table before the game begins and don't cry when you get swung at. Life total is not a fair representation of your capacity to win if you combo so you should be targeted first if you play combos. Deck construction overall is the biggest issue with playing combos. If you only have interaction in your deck to protect the combo, you may upset the table. If you tutor for a combo early, you may upset the table. If you play a commander that combos with one other card and itself, you may upset the table. If your deck is nothing but staples and combos, you may upset the table. If you have a 8.5 or a CEDH shell and you combo you may upset the table. If you play fast mana and combo, you may upset the table. If you combo before turn 6 to 8 consistently, you may upset the table. That being said at the end of the day everybody should play the deck that they enjoy regardless. Build decks responsibly. Just be mindful that commander is fun because it is a group activity and other players want to enjoy the game also.
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