PLAY TO WIN vs THE FERVENT ALCHEMIST - KORVOLD vs KINNAN vs MAGDA vs RIGO

This week joined by Kai, the Fervent Alchymnist himself, as we try to figure out which one of our current PET DECKS is best in cEDH?
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[@nicklay4274]

Great game! Noticed a small optimisation at 11:18, Dylan could have sacrificed the Animate Dead to the Korvold attack trigger, which would then cause him to sac the dockside, netting him 2x Korvold triggers instead of one.

[@burnsboy101]

I noticed at small optimisation 🤓

[@joshbailey7775]

Got to me before I could 😂

[@AIMLESS-NAMELESS]

Ah I just commented this

[@Cupakabra77]

Went to make a comment about this lol 😂

[@horribleville]

Does animate dead not have a clause where if creature dies its sacrificed

[@jamesgreenwood1703]

I’ve never understood the argument of spite plays when someone is attempting to kill you. Just bc you are backed into a corner against something that will almost certainly kill you doesn’t mean lay there and take it. Feels like law of nature to fight until the end

[@maximeyer3151]

I 100% agree.

[@burningnyte]

I think of “spite plays” as long game thinking. You’ll never do something to me in a game and expect to come out unscathed.

[@jamesgreenwood1703]

@@burningnyte to me I think it comes down to how much a play can positively impact you. Maybe if you think of magic as short term game to game, using removal on something that’s still lethal may come off as a spite play but in my mind in the next game they might not attack me for lethal bc they know there are consequences meaning something that looked like a spite play originally just need a bit more context to understand.

[@burningnyte]

@@jamesgreenwood1703 that’s what I’m saying.

[@PALIGames]

Right if I'm losing, I'm making it harder for you to win

[@benjaminwiler8271]

Glad to see that Tyler is trying something new! Always good to step out of your comfort zone!

[@Its-Lulu]

God damn guys that ended up being grindier than I thought it would be 😂

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Sometimes those are the best games

[@Samothrace808]

“I got 6 at the sun stare!” If you thought that quote would go unacknowledged this is me acknowledging it. A classic.

[@wyatt5450]

I'm turning into Cam and Dylan I swear. Getting cEdh Rocco and Korvold, thank you both

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Good call

[@damo9961]

I have both those decks, but I realize a Dockside ban craps on both of them. I think Korvold goes from decent Cedh deck to outdated and unplayed and people underestimate just how much Rocco relies on Dockside too.

[@jakemaxwell3810]

​@@damo9961 It would hurt, but Rocco would kind of just be fine as much as any other deck that played it. Korvold would really miss it, but would go back to playing Food Chain and would not be the end of the world. Also no shot they ban dockside. No casuals care about it at all and it's not really broken in cedh, just strong.

[@antonypistachio5476]

@@jakemaxwell3810 Not broken in CEDH? It's unanimously considered the best card in Commander lol

[@jakemaxwell3810]

@@antonypistachio5476 I respectfully don't think it's broken. It's great, but I don't think it creates bad games or play patterns.

[@ayllipkhieu8659]

I love Rigo. Just as much draw power as tymna in colors you don’t see often in cEDH. Super cool to see

[@daybreak817]

Love seeing Kai on here, he rocks.

[@faperito2389]

Solid mf

[@dave7592]

The amount of things Dylan was able to pull turn 2-3 is insane.

[@DexterityYTC]

I definitely think Cam’s choice to sac all his treasures was a spite play, but it’s the kind of spite play that doesn’t screw over a player, but rather makes the game more even for the remaining 2 players. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with doing that, I’m sure some might disagree, but making gameplay more interesting is always a positive to me.

[@Mad_Goblin_Engineer]

Then it’s not a spite play

[@ZauN91]

Lmao the filter on Tyler's death. I've quit mtg after getting alienated by their one set a month bs but your channel is as enjoyable to watch as it was in the beginning, thanks for the quality content.

[@kathleenmeyerowitz7187]

That is one of the dumbest takes i have ever heard

[@Demon_of_Razgriz]

Gamble AKA Red Entomb strikes again. Also the amount of Korvold I'm seeing lately is so much fun. Fun commander

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Korvolds been getting a lot of new toys

[@wyatt5450]

Korvold always has the toys to play with

[@PubStompMTG]

Just like Sheldon Menery intended commander to be! To beat each other with a huge commander!

[@damo9961]

That guy never invented EDH it was played for 10 years before he got his grubby hands on it LOL. We used to play it during Nationals and Regionals as a way to unwind.

[@christopherpatricklizares5306]

Interesting quirk: if the Animate Dead attached to the Dockside was sacrificed to Korvold, the Animate Dead would cause the Dockside to be sacrificed. This would draw an extra card. Loved the video! Thanks for all your hard work, guys!

[@whitesmith5985]

I also think that with Cam at the end, what he did wasn't a spite play because that's a cost for killing the player. Like if you're gonna kill me, I'm not going to pick you some flowers, I'll make it clear in advanced that if they kill me, the cost of doing so is me throwing whatever I have at them. So it's not a spite play, it's a cost that I'm going to keep my word on.

[@CosmicGiggalo]

That was a heck of a back and forth at the end to see who won!

[@LemorasCards]

Love seeing some MAD King representation on the channel.

[@cinosaurus]

4:09 “my time to shine” lol! Me, everytime I counter my playgroups win con

[@leem.9934]

Hell with it. I've subscribed. Hopefully I see what y'all can do with an Urabrask someday. Not a cEDH player myself, but this is actually fun to see.

[@yaakovkagel1015]

Loved the lists in this episode! Honestly, I love Tyler's Kinnan list. Perplexing Chimera is one of my favorite cards in casual and seeing it in CEDH is so fun! Tyler is a great deck pilot so I would really love to see him playing some other lists as well!

[@finlayfisken9817]

Yeah I wish kinnan/tyler actually did something this game lol, seemed like a slow hand to keep

[@ferventalchemist]

Thanks again for having me on ❤

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Any time !!

[@Flip4Crypt]

This was a really great episode! Loved the gameplay and the energy from everyone at the table! Great video as always guys! Also, I could be wrong, but I agree with Cam with that last play- I think there is a cost to killing a player- even if it's just a bolt to the face, it's not a spite play because it doesn't effect your win, but you did need to pay some kind of cost to kill Cam

[@MageSkeleton]

it was a very powerful matchup, and i feel like that preator's grasp pulling dockside out of magda crippled magda which tells me it needs some reworking and this is going to sound dumb but i recommend running the swords, including sword of the animist. It was satisfying that Kinnon got blown up relatively early.

[@jamescoulter267]

The Tyler kill animation was so good lol

[@raedien]

Another great video. Wife saw and loved the Skull playmat. Just ordered two.

[@bigscrub1875]

I was just looking for some Korvold content!! Nice timing 😂

[@middknight5202]

KAI WHY YOU NO BOUNCE KORVOLDYMORT AT THE END THERE, THEN E-WIT THE SNAP TO BOUNCE HIRELING DX then the next turn do it again with E-wit 2.0 to save some time? Great game went a lot longer than expected! Cedh games like these make the format much more appealing! Thanks gents!

[@ferventalchemist]

I WAS HAVING FUN BRO I FORGOT

[@mikebenit3388]

Korvold storm is my favorite deck. I’ve played it for a few years now and it is by far my fave!!

[@janmelantu7490]

(You don’t lost the game if you’ve already won) -Reminder text on the Warriors’ Oath, the P3K functional reprint of Final Fortune

[@finnthehydra622]

Korvold is definitely in my top three favorite decks, and it is definitely my strongest by far except maybe Kenrith. I do typically win with combat damage, but I have a few ways to give haste. One of the deck’s secret MVPs is Chatterfang. There are enough cards making me treasure when I cast them that I always have some squirrels up for blockers even if the whole table is swinging at me. Just got a Sylvan Library and a few other cards recently that I’m about to put into it too. Not sure if I’d say it’s exactly CEDH, but it has won on turn 4 a few times

[@jonathonfoster3942]

Thank you soooo much for doing good Korvold stuff! I've recently scrapped him, but won so much magic with him. (But Nooooo! You were suppose to sack Animate Dead so that yu would have gotten 2 draws).

[@Joeshoerb]

What were those mana and treasure tokens that Dylan was using? They were super sweet!

[@BiCuriousGeorge1]

The epic storm’s Bryant cook makes them

[@TheBowlingfanatic]

Korvold is incredibly strong! Been playing him in the last 5 cEDH tournaments I've gone to. Seeing him take a win here is awesome! Anyone that wants to get more involved with Korvold, the discord is always popping!

[@Eric_theMAD_King]

Great gameplay, that's why this channel is the standard. It's organic and great charisma. Really love the team at PtW. Also love seeing Korvold 😎

[@thomasnoonan2039]

Love this game! Good old combat damage...

[@void91g]

Quick Draw format: start 7 cards of choice in hand to start - standard from there - play test power combos god hands

[@krlbcn]

Kai doing the yeah boiii voice cracks me up

[@loganschwartz4790]

So korvold is my actually cedh deck that I built with minimal proxies. Only 4 in the deck. It's a food chain deck with dockside loops if I need to treasure storm.

[@oklahomalongboards]

dylan my friend where can we get that amazing playmat in this video? old release or an upcoming halloween 2024 one?

[@paulmcclain642]

Hell of a game, I thought that the Kinnan start was insane but then Korvold is like watch meeeeeeee

[@connorbell5340]

Good god, Dylan these are your friends!!! What a fantastic turn two, regardless of not getting your ad Naus.

[@thatguy2781]

I don't know if you had this idea or made video about it. But what is the best Farm deck in CEDH, that'll be very cool to see

[@chrisgoertzen3001]

I love it when a counter spell is just a free divination for me

[@speljester]

Where are the mana tokens from. I looked in the mech store but to no avail. They really make it easier to follow the action, thanks for using them.

[@lisaparker271]

That was an amazing game for korvold, i love how much value he produces. I am looking at more commanders that gain value from non etb sources as eleshmom has been more prevelant in my meta.

[@deathbeard8308]

Love the Korvold play, I play it with food chain combo tho and few others, its easy to tutor for goblins

[@Egovinco98]

11:15 if you sacrifice animate dead, you gain an extra korvold trigger - i see now a lot of others pointed it out too. so nvm

[@ryannaylor3982]

Anyone know where you can get those floating mana tokens?

[@Fogshaper]

Even though it didn't matter, there's a certain... feeling... that that bolt was actually on the spite play end of things. If there's a scenario where Dylan re-uses the ad naus that's known to be in the yard, those three life might matter.

[@tong9va]

For korvold player, Where do you buy those cool mana, float, and treasure chips? Or whatever you called?

[@TheColts714]

Question were did you purchase those small treasure tokens that flip into mana there pretty cool.

[@bloodblade487]

At about 7:40, could Tyler have used his worldly tutor for a collector ouphe? If so, would that have shut Korvold down enough to stall effectively? :)

[@bloodblade487]

Actually! Instead maybe a Gilded Drake to steal Korvold?

[@AIMLESS-NAMELESS]

11:22 this is a realllllllyy niche line but if you sac animate dead instead of dockside u draw 2 cards instead of 1 and get 2 counters

[@frankdetank9126]

That was a fun video! Have you ever considered making a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?

[@Ominous_severus]

Hey guys what are those mana and trigger and treasure tokens you used? where can i get those?

[@salchi-papa]

The editing when Dylan killed Tyler was fucking perfection tbh.

[@TheWaffleDad]

Korvold always feels like a boss fight

[@mtgspanglish731]

Watching this, while 5 minutes ago was holding my korvold deck thinking to take it apart.

[@tomneilson9501]

this is my first time seeing the TES tokens in play wow theyre pretty and practical great gameplay as well

[@josephahrens862]

Hey Tyler where did you get that ashikata from princess Mononoke alter for kinnian. It even has the red elk

[@BrunoCereza]

Where can i get those mana tokens Dylan was using? 😁

[@alexippolito8002]

Please make a video of an updated version of Green Grixis(ikra kraum Kraun naus) I feel like there is a lot of new cards that upped the power of it and it was the deck Dylan played for awhile that got me to watch you guys consistently! Doooo itttt

[@slappkake2953]

I wonder how the game would’ve gone if Kai cyc rifted the deathrite to guarantee the extra turn.

[@Mad_Goblin_Engineer]

Prob forgot deathrite text. There’s a lot on that card.

[@baz_wtf]

Great game! 🎉

[@chisatofleck2387]

Where can I find those good lookin Mana Tokens and Treasures which Dylan used in the Game? Would love to buy them.

[@danielpatriquin972]

Combos are fine in casual. Just notify the table before the game begins and don't cry when you get swung at. Life total is not a fair representation of your capacity to win if you combo so you should be targeted first if you play combos. Deck construction overall is the biggest issue with playing combos. If you only have interaction in your deck to protect the combo, you may upset the table. If you tutor for a combo early, you may upset the table. If you play a commander that combos with one other card and itself, you may upset the table. If your deck is nothing but staples and combos, you may upset the table. If you have a 8.5 or a CEDH shell and you combo you may upset the table. If you play fast mana and combo, you may upset the table. If you combo before turn 6 to 8 consistently, you may upset the table. That being said at the end of the day everybody should play the deck that they enjoy regardless. Build decks responsibly. Just be mindful that commander is fun because it is a group activity and other players want to enjoy the game also.

[@TripsAhoy]

That was def a grindy finish! ❤❤❤

[@GrandPrimus]

This one was awesome. Love a good, decent midrange game.

[@musashibriem1352]

That turned into a gd rock fight at the end 😂

[@wasabi521]

Quick question how does Rigo win? Maybe I’m missing something but how does one empty the library that I’m missing.

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Hermit druid!

[@cdee34]

What are those treasure/mana jawns and how do I get some

[@jimmajazz86]

"I got six at the stun stare." That's not a good activity, Cam. Come up with a good activity.

[@mitsosoftheelves]

Over-the-top game!

[@brentdeacon9218]

@playtowin I NEED those mana/treasure tokens, where can I get them?

[@faebyang2526]

Hey guys always wanted to ask do you guys own all the cards or do you proxy some of them like for example og dual lands. Love the content keep it coming, much love :D

[@aidanschauer1581]

What an awesome game!

[@matthewhalsan6459]

Damn, that red entomb really lengthened the game, but was fun to watch.

[@andythomas6236]

Playing korvold in a tournament next month 1st place gets a bayou. I'd love to see your deck list!!!!

[@Timbuktu-qt2lj]

Awesome game guys! Love your gameplay videos and podcasts.

[@gordypordy7379]

Absolute W Video like always. MORE KINNAN MORE MAGDA MORE ZUR MORE ZAXARA MORE URZA ETC. EVERYTHING!

[@aHairyBaboon]

Cam, you have 5 left and the big yellow one is the sun :)

[@ultimateplaneswalke]

What's the product called for the mana tokens?

[@jemm113]

Well damn, looks like my pile of Korvold cards will become my second competitive deck lolol! Now I just need to save up for a grim monolith to complete my set of cEDH rocks…

[@dasfabelwesen]

When you sac animate dead instead of dockside you get 2 draws, no?

[@Highwang]

lmao what was that AMV-esque edit at 11:31?

[@jonathonskogman8337]

I am starting to wonder if a thoracle/breach/nekusaur deck has legs in the current draw heavy meta?

[@jonathonskogman8337]

I mean I get there are far superior grixis commanders and all but that nekusaur clock is not nothing with the amount of card draw going on in the meta.

[@parzavil]

I was literally holding my breathe

[@davidmiller818]

Please please che k out my korvold list!! I has more ways to shimmer or reanimated dockside and the outlet to win outside of witherbloom and chain of smog is tied to how big korvold gets!! It's my absolute favorite deck. Very reactive and resilient!!

[@bigscrub1875]

Nice Brian Regan reference, Cam

[@josecuervo3086]

i love seeing a korvold deck do korvold things 🖤

[@aja582]

Dylan what the fuck it’s midnight

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Lol this one took some extra time

[@smitchy657]

Super cool to have seen a game with a slightly varied way of winning, as compared to the standard/repetitive way your decks seem to normally win 😁

[@mitchelschafer1347]

I've always had the issue: play around rhystic or dockside? Seems obvious this game lol

[@ChrisWilliams-hk3wn]

Hey guys looking at the decklist. Why no hoarding broodlord lines if you don't mind me asking? Korvold was my intro to cedh and kind of want to rebuild him

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

This was filmed when spoilers where still coming out and since it was my first run through of the deck I didn’t wanna rock the boat too much at first

[@ChrisWilliams-hk3wn]

​@Play to Win understandable. Figured it was filmed then lol. How do you feel about hoarding broodlord for the deck tbo?

[@jonlamoreaux1889]

I hate the term spite play. I mean it's a game, and you're threatening to take someone out, so why wouldn't that person take a few game actions before getting killed?

[@therealax6]

Spite plays definitely exist. But discouraging a player from taking you out is not one: it's a legitimate play with a direct in-game benefit. I'd say spite plays are plays whose motivation isn't any in-game benefit: for instance, countering a spell from someone who very clearly isn't a threat just to ruin their turn when someone else is threatening a win on their next untap.

[@connorl0204]

If “they don’t ask how, they all how many” was a video lol

[@almightyfireduck1135]

Where do y'all get those mana tokens from? Would love to have those for my storm decks

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

The Epic Storm!

[@almightyfireduck1135]

@@PlaytoWinMTG tysm!

[@mitchellrobinson-sw6qx]

I want to join a patreon with cool people playing lots of spell table. How cool are you tou guys?!

[@jamallynch1218]

Great game

[@manadorkuk]

Ooooooph what a game