NBA All-Star Weekend 2023 Recap + 2nd Half NBA Power Rankings | THE PANEL EP25

[@TQsquad]

tickettv is like a Heel in wrestling, he brings out the best in u guys

[@FrmJinx]

LMAO

[@gideon7932]

⌚Timestamps⌚ 0:00 Jokic is a better offensive player than Kobe 36:00 Jokic is a better offensive player than Giannis 1:00:20 Jokic is a better offensive player than Wilt 1:03:50 Jokic is a better offensive player than Kobe part:2 1:10:00 Jokic passing ability top 5 / Stockton is just a good passer 1:27:55 LeBron exceeding expectations 1:30:55 Carmelo Anthony not getting picked up by a team 1:44:00 Allstar break power rankings 2:22:25 Allstar weekend 2:43:00 Penalize players who load manage 2:44:00 Superchats

[@trevon444]

🔒

[@YLN__LEXIC]

Your the goat

[@gucci_good18]

👑

[@kbis2cold]

You da real mvp

[@chauvintookaknee4blm268]

Joker better than Bron too, they better have said that

[@betweendalinesnbapodcast3733]

Yea i think its crazy what low and marz was saying but i think there was a obvious lack people who actually watch jokic on this pod.

[@MarzTalksSports]

all i said was i gotta see more in the playoffs,i havent even committed to the take

[@AdamEdn]

@@MarzTalksSports that being your only condition is tantamount to being on that side. It’s not like you guys are even weighing peaks based on playoff performances that drastically or the convo would prob be moot but for sure wouldn’t be defined as a 3 year range.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@AdamEdn my issue is sample size,and not seeing the variety of elite defenses jokic has gone against in his peak thats why i need to see more,he obliterated golden state,but maybe memphis will neutralize him (not saying i think they will) thats why i need a larger sample of great defenses to be comfortable with jokic peak in comparison to kobe bryant,were talking an all time all time great so its gonna take more than 3 playoff series and great regular seasons to move me

[@elijahrevell481]

Marz so do u agree that tiny archibald is a top 10 playmaker of all time?? 😭 That’s what low basically said🙏🏽😭😭u agree? Remember this is the internet, u can be screenshotted 😭😭

[@yahiaali4059]

@@MarzTalksSports I don’t even think a larger sample will help in this case I think the scoring is inflated in this era and I watched the bubble jokers deepest postseason run jamal Murray was essentially taking the offensive responsibilities while joker sat back was a play-maker but Kobe is the definition Of attacking his footwork I think really set him apart from the tmacs and other guys but what really makes one of the scorers in history the guy was killer he wants it I don’t think joker want it like that

[@qupope6955]

all i learned from this episode is that no one other than Low and Marz has watched more than 2 games of Nuggets games cause ain't no way yall were arguing is Giannis a better OFFENSIVE basketball player than Jokic

[@MarzTalksSports]

i almost lost my mind

[@jeremiahsmith7706]

I can debate you rn if you'd like

[@qupope6955]

@@jeremiahsmith7706 go ahead

[@jeremiahsmith7706]

@@qupope6955 I'd like to hear why Jokic is better first

[@qupope6955]

@@jeremiahsmith7706 well shooting there's no debate especially this year, playmaking and passing I'd give to Jokic, i think that the only things on offense Giannis is better at is finishing at the rim or on a fastbreak

[@qupope6955]

also gotta love how Ticket taxes Jokic for playing in a weak era but GIannis gets a pass

[@syzorst]

I don't think so. Ticket is mad because Jokic is being compared to all time greats or better despite the fact Jokic has only played for a few years. Ticket always have praise for Giannis but he always compares Giannis to the guys of his era like KD, Luka, Jokic etc... You never hear him saying things like he would dominate the 2000s or saying he's on the level of Shaq in terms of dominance.

[@qupope6955]

@@syzorst nope he said that when they were comapring jokic to Giannis

[@qupope6955]

@@syzorst like he literally said it when comparing Jokic vs Giannis

[@jevonkennebrew2311]

​@@qupope6955 Giannis plays the 3 and the 4. There is a lot more competition as far as forward go. Competition is almost non-existent at the 5 in today's NBA. You have three or four legit Superstar caliber centers in the league today.

[@JT-km6th]

It's because you can visibly see how teams try and stop Giannis and it makes Giannis look like a god amongst men. They literally just put 3 players Infront of him. Defending against Jokic is more subtle, and players don't know what to do and thus look more disorganised. It makes the defence look very weak when looking at Jokic. Also apart from Embiid, all the best players are guards and forwards, not centers. Make sense????

[@BigSalmon13]

“Jokic is MAYBE a better passer than David Robinson. MAYBE.” Cmon now what are we talking about😭

[@playoffquan824]

Ticket talks like he wears sleeveless hoodies

[@qualityshorts9x]

He does

[@jordanross8561]

He do 😂😂😂😂

[@johnathannabors3426]

😂😂😂😂

[@purposeandgoals1189]

@@qualityshorts9x😂😂😂😂😂

[@Lan05-_-]

i fucking love ticket dude is pure entertainment😂😂, “yo ass is mine”

[@purposeandgoals1189]

😂😂

[@ColeFrmNc]

2 things I learned watching this stream : 1. Low and Marz are the only 2 that have actually watched Jokic play . 2. They argued every point that wasn’t even the statement LOW made

[@ColeFrmNc]

@@asapdon2298 they act as if just cause they watched it live they have this supreme understanding , which makes no sense . With there logic they should never comment on Bill or Wilt cause they didn’t see it live

[@lucianodadon7822]

Man jokic can't carry kobes jock strap yall need to stop this shit man smh

[@True-Believer616]

@Lucianodadon Bruh don't waste your time. These types only care about stats these guys are putting up now and not considering it's been done before in much tougher eras to do it. We've seen this before with Cedric Sabonis and others. But if these players today put up some numbers for 2 to 3 years, they are up there with the all time greats without winning a damn thing to guys like Low.

[@lucianodadon7822]

@@True-Believer616 bruh the fact that it's these two nerds saying this is further making me upset lol...I don't even know why they chose kobe to compare to a big 7ft gritsball dude like joker smh

[@psychandson6337]

These next level stats are trash. Efficiency, points per 36 and all this trash. The most inefficient players historically have won the most chips. So who cares. Jokic plays no defense and does all his damage on the offensive side. There's levels to this.

[@TellHerNothing]

No way ticket said that 😂 8:50

[@Cewoic]

😂😂

[@Rip_JahCraft]

Imagine a player career is a mountain (let’s say 20 years), once u get around the top of the mountain is their prime (let’s say years 4-16), now that snow at the tip is the peak(let’s say years 8-12)😐marz’s analogy game is unmatched

[@danelukic2911]

People should watch Jokic in the first place. His game is different, he is most unselfish superstar we ever seen. Dude revolutionized center position, he is argubly top 5 passer and playmaker of all time. Man averaging triple double as a center, and this season his TS % is highest in nba history.

[@MannieofDTI]

If you watched one generation how you can say someone’s the best all time ?

[@bobbofwar2451]

Love how LOW and MARZ are the “numbers guys” but Ticket ONLY uses stats to back his arguments AND never uses context with said numbers. Bringing up Wilts ppg is NASTY.

[@tuckersgaming]

@@ClodnerPierre1 Marz explained that in the last episode but I guess you just missed the point, just like how everyone else does

[@tuckersgaming]

@@ClodnerPierre1 clearly YOU don’t watch becuase they always call marz the stat guy and says he always uses numbers and when he asks what numbers he uses at a specific time. NOBODY on the panel can seem to answer that simple question. And idk what you’re talking about with ticket. He’s the first guy to say everyone loves stats and he uses stats A lot in his arguments

[@rightorleft3]

​@@ClodnerPierre1 so more nuanced stats are weird because u don't know what they mean??

[@taquaywhite4503]

@@ClodnerPierre1 ticket is the first person to bring up stats, he constantly runs to PPG or assists or rebounds or any other stat to make his point. When he talks about draymond, he says draymond sucks as a PLAYER because when klay was out he only averaged 7 points

[@taquaywhite4503]

@@ClodnerPierre1I assume you look at the defensive ratings with him on and off the court. Most of these numbers that low and marz use aren’t hard to understand if you just choose to understand them. And even if the numbers are basic numbers if that’s the thing you run to in order to make your argument how are you not the stat guy. Like when they were talking about Carmelo, ticket IMMEDIATELY ran to ppg, 3pt% and minutes. I’m sorry if the first thing that you say is a statistic, I don’t understand how you aren’t a stat guy Also draymond isn’t trash, he is a bad shooter/scorer but he is a great passer and elite defender. Ticket says draymond can’t be an elite defender cause he doesn’t lead the league in any statistic (more stats to make his argument) and discredits that draymond is a great post defender, PnR defender, at least solid perimeter defender, and elite help side defender. Just because he isn’t dominant at anything ticket says he’s not as good of a defender

[@omarionbrown3075]

Back when the panel was once a week and was at it's peak

[@eduardomarquez9210]

Facts it fell off crazy

[@lorenzosanders8212]

I have never laughed so hard out loud when you have to think if Jokic had a higher offensive peak than Jordan. And then said Jokic had a higher peak than Wilt Chamberlain. I am still laughing

[@KamuiProductsInc]

Jordan absolutely Clears jokic in every regard but jokic is a better offensive player than wilt. Getting your teammates involved is HUGE for offense and virtually every source in the 60s said that wilts ball hogging in his 40+ppg seasons demoralized his teammates, and his teams offenses were FAR better when he stopped his volume scoring. Not to mention when he had his massive volume scoring seasons his production MASSIVELY decreased in the playoffs

[@farhansarkar2394]

@@KamuiProductsInc If you factor in pace and minutes played he would average about 29 which is still amazing but not anywhere as impressive as 50. You can do it yourself rn, just go on basketball reference and look at his per 100 stats and multiply by .75 to get similar stats to now.

[@wallaceiseasy3459]

Niggas love Playoff translation and than Gas Wilt.

[@lorenzosanders8212]

@Kamui Products Inc now I know why @tickettvmedia always be yelling and cursing and calling yall suckas. We are actually saying that Jokic is better than Wilt Chamberlain. I think Jokic deserved both MVPs I think Chamberlain is flawed but when we talk about disrespect to the game and prior generations this is assanine assaten assaeleven. I just cant

[@farhansarkar2394]

@@lorenzosanders8212 Wilt Chamberlain's offense was overrated. He was a stat padder, and guys like Kobe, Magic, and Nash clear him. It isn't about what they did in the career, it is about at their best what could they do. Guys like Kobe, Magic, and Nash just were more skilled and valuable on the offensive end. Wilt's defense underrated though.

[@oseiamoah22]

At 52:49 Low was like Steve Francis lmfao 🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cro4255]

What nobody is saying for all the players. The further you go in playoffs the harder it becomes. Joker hasn't done anything yet.

[@petarpavic112]

He has been to the wcf, unlike embiid

[@cro4255]

If u want to say joker better then embid. No argument, neither have done anything.

[@cro4255]

And so has trae young

[@KamuiProductsInc]

​@@cro4255 if you don't win in the finals you've done nothing?

[@daeshawnkemp879]

He's done more than any big not named Giannis or AD. So if Jokic hasnt done anything then no big deserves to be mentioned in any conversation unless its Giannis or AD

[@Deputy567]

What fluent said around the 13:00 mark was so spot on. It’s honestly just too soon to declare Jokic an all time great on the same level as a Kobe.

[@tashaun2593]

They just talking about peak tho. That seems to get lost when they debate and they keep bringing it to longevity when they emphasize its just at their best

[@treywhoa]

alright is it too soon now to talk about somebody being great now that he has won a chip? does it take somebody winning an award for their skill for me to congratulate them? If i see you are the best employee ive ever had at my job, do i have to wait until u win employee of the month 8 times before i can actually tell you “Youre the best employee i ever had!” or give u a raise? Its based off your talent and skill and ability not what you own.

[@mitchsn7706]

Just because you can do more on offense being a jack of all trades doesn’t make you automatically better at someone at offense. Offensively teams are definitely more worried about Giannis. L + M know ball but analyse it wrong

[@MarzTalksSports]

if theyre more worried ab giannis on offense they are all wrong

[@daeshawnkemp879]

Because of the misconception of "stop Giannis and you beat the Bucks" which has been proven false every playoff game the Bucks won when Giannis didn't play.

[@Abbad1579]

😂😂

[@PardonMyGenius]

The Stockton slander always makes me laugh.

[@BerryDre]

1:17:27 Low right with this point. Stockton not better passers than the top of that list. He’s in the convo tho. But JKidd, Gary Payton, CP, Magic, Nash, Isaiah are arguably better passers

[@MarzTalksSports]

gary payton???

[@BerryDre]

@@MarzTalksSports GP not an elite passer?

[@walk_er]

@37:19 This man so emotional behind Kobe that he don’t even know what is going on.😂

[@MarzTalksSports]

People gotta watch Jokic more

[@Gutta2016]

This is true but the NBA don't feature the Nuggets on prime time TV enough for ppl to see him...but he ain't better than Kobe either the disrespect Kobe has gotten since his untimely passing is insane

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@Gutta2016 i agree kobe is disrespected,i also havent committed to jokic peaking higher offensively,however i do believe it is a conversation and thats no slight on kobe thats how great jokic is peaking offensively,kobe still clears all time due to longevity and defensively but solely offensive peak i think its a conversation

[@Gutta2016]

@@MarzTalksSports Jokic nice he like a Bron/Magic style player while being 7 foot plus n being a well established shooter..he just needs rings to make it legit but he's also working with average Joe's outside of Jamal Murray and maybe Porter but i haven't heard his name all season i jus thought about him jus now honestly so a ring will b tough..but Jokic been doin his thing years b4 winning the first mvp when he got to Denver

[@princespointofview3381]

I live in Denver… You’re buggin Marz and Low.

[@thegoatdc5635]

No he is a fraud

[@Cloudgang420]

I fuck with Raef LaFrentz. He was one of the first shooting bigs I seen. Game was a little ahead of its time.

[@raheemwilson894]

I can agree with ticket on the 3 peat years because when shaq was out Kobe was going off then Doctor Bus told him to tailor back the scoring so shaq could be happy.

[@MarzTalksSports]

that once again was 2003 the year they didnt win,so no thats not the 3peat years

[@Aubknowball17]

Man stop it 🤣🤣🤣

[@sblackmagics]

Damn this aged bad ticket lmaoooo

[@jtrails694]

47:42 Jokic is active in the pick and roll because teams know that Jokic is weak defensively and are exploiting that. It's hard to hide a big man with bad defense.

[@fisumeej6674]

and he clearly rests when he isn't involved in the pick n roll. no team is runing picknroll all game

[@jtrails694]

@@fisumeej6674 very true

[@Melly_Wayy]

@@fisumeej6674lol coaches might start coaching

[@Abbad1579]

@@fisumeej6674You’re a clown man

[@ndn624]

Marz got his big man voice now ! Love to see it!

[@Chitown2378]

That’s how you supposed to do it tickett…Just how Chill and Bob did, if you interrupt someone you apologize and let them speak

[@wallaceiseasy3459]

People who don't watch Jokic talking about Jokic.

[@aquartermil]

They all watch him why do y’all keep saying this they literally have channel and talk bout the games especially ticket so

[@tuckersgaming]

@@aquartermilJust cause they have a channel doesn’t mean they watch him

[@aquartermil]

@@tuckersgaming …bro some wrong wit y’all young people y’all really think these people be up here don’t watch basketball…

[@DreJ912]

@@aquartermil they don’t lol

[@aquartermil]

@@DreJ912 keep thinking that

[@notjalxn]

low killed me when he said stockton wasn’t a top 10 playmaker 😂

[@ryanjohnson2117]

14:43 Chill talks about David Robinson woulda ate joker's lunch. DO these old heads not realize the pressure these older bigs would be under? They never had to deal with a center that can draw them out to the three point line and open up th elane for cutters, David robinson and all the bigs for that matter had the luxury of being able to sit close to the basket and protect the rim. They would not be the same defenders in today's game with the exception of maybe olajuwon and russell as they are quick footed and could probably be effective pick and roll defenders

[@aquartermil]

Um you do know David Robinson could shoot right ?.

[@aquartermil]

& you do know he was a good defender and not a liability on defense….

[@aquartermil]

You do know if jokic played back then he’d be using a lot of more energy banging wit them big guys which he would get tired faster, he already slow and horrible on defense … y’all really don’t know basketball do y’all ???

[@TellHerNothing]

David Robinson was dealing cutters all the time bro what? The man damn near averaged 3 steals in a season because he was all up in those passing lanes, one of the fastest bigs ever.

[@ryanjohnson2117]

@@aquartermil If you're talking about three point shots, his bestr season both volume and percentage was like 34% on 0.4 per game. So like naa theres no way you could extrapolate that to the volume at which modern bigs shoot

[@gbcgcbcch6349]

Ticket swears he wins arguments by yell and interrupting lmao can’t Let anyone talk cause they’ll prove him wrong

[@2cents250]

CP3 averaged almost 12 assists per game after his rookie year and LOW is saying he considers him more of a 2010s player. He was a bonafide all star before 2010.

[@PMKru]

Exactly Even On The Cover Of 2K8 😂 And All

[@MegaKhalid121]

2007-2009 Chris Paul still better than any version of Chris Paul

[@TerranceHudon]

Fluent lowkey the best on the panel😂

[@jerrymonye3530]

I’ll be honest this take is not hot nd I used to hate fluent

[@tashrif46]

3:14:50 Marz's eyes went wide open when Fluent said Bill Walton is trash.

[@cobemontana]

@11:11:32 Chill looked like Bron when they ain't give him the foul call.

[@tashrif46]

1:02:10 TicketTv had a seizure when listening to that 🤣🤣

[@Tiko_Deemz15]

17:42 that’s cap 😂😂😂, cause look at how much Steph shoots and how efficient he is , so no ray Allen or Reggie wouldn’t be way up there

[@OV3RLORD1751]

I almost lost my shit when they said that I thought it was consensus even before the record that Steph is by far the greatest shooter in terms of % and overall how many he makes

[@Tiko_Deemz15]

@@OV3RLORD1751 fr that’s why it’s a stupid argument

[@Gergabscg]

Ticket saying the Nuggets were stacked they were playing with Will Barton and Monte Morris last yr 😂

[@someoldheadtakes]

Don’t forget about rivers and compazzo

[@Rip_JahCraft]

I previously wrote a whole paragraph and deleted it because i peeped the ppl arguing against low and marz dont even understand the difference between peak and prime is🤦🏾‍♂️

[@BallNepal]

You cant name me a better basketball show than the panel

[@323sportstalk3]

i almost stopped watching this when Chill said Steve francis as an elite passer in the 2000's smh.....

[@aquartermil]

He was

[@daeshawnkemp879]

Nah it was "true point guard" 🤣

[@taquaywhite4503]

Steve Francis and baron davis being considered “true PGs” is actually insane

[@Romanus-]

@@aquartermil😂😂😂

[@aquartermil]

@@Romanus- ?? What he was though

[@ant_boy_spice4400]

This was a elite nasty ep

[@PardonMyGenius]

Mars always look like he just woke up from a nap.

[@tashrif46]

2:17:34 that is incredibly disrespectful to Nikola Jokic. That was terrible TicketTv

[@nashaunknox3764]

I usually agree with LOW but he buggin with overrating Jokic. It’s not even close he nowhere near kobe offensively and neck and neck with Giannis offensively

[@farhansarkar2394]

How is he neck to neck with Giannis?

[@taquaywhite4503]

He isn’t neck and neck with giannis, he’s a better passer, better shooter, better post scorer. Giannis is just a more dominant presence. And don’t bring up PPG because giannis is taking double the free throws and 5-6 more shots than jokic is

[@farhansarkar2394]

@@taquaywhite4503 Exactly I fully agree.

[@Abbad1579]

😂😂

[@Kindakool36]

I don’t even know why bro decided to imply that Hakeem could have been in the same tier of passing/playmaking as jokic💀 YALL just be saying anything atp😭 people are so blinded by nostalgia and biased💀 the jokic disrespect is getting out of hand💀 (I like how they (ticket💀) don’t even let marz speak or even give him a fair chance and also misinterpret what he said at 16:39 😭)

[@Fearseblack]

I agree Hakeem isnt as good a passer as Jokic but everything else he floors him and he'll get enough out of his teammates and win

[@Kindakool36]

@@Fearseblack well I’m just talking about playmaking, what point are you trying to make💀 i never said jokic is leaps and bounds better than Hakeem

[@sunnyballeralert]

Ticket look like the guy from SpongeBob lol the green guy 😂

[@jefferybarefield6372]

Damn Low and Marz has proved the Panel wrong

[@tashrif46]

2:14:11 I would love to see AD do a windmill 360 dunk and then trolls to be injured 😂😂

[@Princecharisma111]

They consistently argue with emotions outside of LOW & MARZ. No facts. Never stays on point. Them 2 need they own show

[@tuckersgaming]

FACTSSSSSSSS

[@tuckersgaming]

@@ClodnerPierre1 Lmfaoo you’re chatting. Of course debates are fun but it’s not fun to see someone COMPLETELY miss the point of someone’s argument and then just scream over the person

[@Princecharisma111]

@@ClodnerPierre1 i’ll agree with your point if these niggas knew what they were talking about. All of em just get loud & wrong. I rather have a calm debate with facts instead of someone lying loudly.

[@tashrif46]

3:19:40 at this point yes. Scrap the ASG.

[@cidfranklin6368]

Facts!!!! They literally said that Greek freak can win a third MVP because he didn't get a title!!!!so now where do we go from here !!!

[@cidfranklin6368]

Cant*

[@someoldheadtakes]

Well Giannis also had a healthy championship caliber team. Jokic hasn’t

[@BruceNorrin]

Coming back, and damn this shit aged like fine wine and cottage cheese depending on who you side with

[@trapmontana9440]

2:17:33 ticket is nastyyyy lol

[@uplayulay]

The top left guy wants to be Stephen A Smith so bad 😂

[@Celiousss]

50:15 moments like this make me fw ticket.

[@basedkez]

The magic these dudes had…. man

[@jtrails694]

48:13 You can't hypothetically quantify this LOW 😅

[@howitzdone8992]

Now all of sudden ticket got jokic 13th all time 😂 now chill saying jokic maybe a top 5 offensive player ever 😂 marz and low been telling now that he won u can have the conversation

[@MortalWombat4480]

Bro I cannot keep watching this show if you guys are spewing shit like Giannis being a better OFFENSIVE player than Jokić and D-Rob being a better PASSER. Like what the fuck are we actually talking about? It’s like Jokić even turns the knowledgable dudes like Fluent and Chill into chatting bullshit it’s bizarre.

[@tweezytalkspodcast4735]

Ticket made The Panel turn up! I’ve been watching since Day 1, Even Marz is starting to show some passion. Good job guys! 🔥🔥🔥🫡

[@gsusdayz3598]

They’re trying hard to set Jokic as the GOAT. If Jokic does win 1 championships he will automatically be place higher than Giannis by the media

[@spce956]

KOBE 10x All Def. In the BEST DEFENSIVE ERA EVER

[@malikhowell5472]

Jokic shoots better pass better and shoots floaters better than Shaq 😂. But y’all said Shaq is a better offensive player and we kno Shaq isn’t a playmaker

[@MarzTalksSports]

shaq is 100% a playmaker,i also said jokic peaking higher offensively than shaq too

[@walk_er]

So did we forget how competitive the 2020 all star game was

[@drewbaby98]

So basically this whole era trash cause we not playing nobody 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ImaSuburban]

No way the podcast started like that 😂😂😂

[@gking1879]

Nah bro protect this guy Ticket at all cost (Fluent and Chill too protecting the legacy of the game) This brother is for the CULTURE. Basketball culture and the legacy of the greats that made this league what it is smh Major props and respect for Ticket. Inspiring, live in your TRUTH !! Doesnt matter if youre hated or not the popular vote

[@BOO_M_CTW]

chills reaction to lows take on stockton 💀💀💀

[@tahaalani4246]

Fluent talks like a guy who thinks he twice as smart as other but infact hes half as smart … big love tho grandpa

[@In-theBonus]

Ja morant, Zion, Bron back in the day*, D Rose back in the day* Anthony edwards, all should have done a dc

[@sunnyballeralert]

1:28:21 chill lost me on the bron take yall didn't expect that I'm not buying that💯💯💯💯

[@Hennyjo]

Ron has to keep them on topic we they miss the point and talk over each other to much

[@RKM_DarKo]

There's plenty of legit logic as to why Jokic and Kobe are (offensively) in the same ball park. Old heads just choose not to see it. This argument becomes so monotonous because no matter how many demonstrably factual arguments you make, guys like Chill, Ticket, and to a lesser to degree Fluent, will choose to ignore it. They love to either move the goal posts or actively choose to not comprehend the very simple argument that LOW and Marz are making. That's why they keep trying to make it about defense, because if they don't, they really don't have an argument.

[@Celiousss]

1:24:00 again fluent so Russ throws bad passes and turns it over, further proving Low’s point as to why he isn’t that high.

[@rmp24]

So earlier on in the live they mentioned repetitively that jokic averages the assists because he’s “asked to do it”. But if he has the best passing vision, iq, etc… why would they let someone else do it? I mean he’s asked to do it because he’s great at it. I just don’t see what point they were trying to make by saying “well Jokic is asked to do it”. It doesn’t take away from his pure talent and skill of passing

[@Cykols]

I don’t like all the jokic slander, just because nobody in this era creates on that level doesn’t mean you can take away from him

[@yagnn]

1:06:20 using rape allegations as an arguement towards a player is next level glazing

[@conflicc5505]

Im taking Giannis over jokic but the question is more do you want a bigger bag or unstoppable at one thing...bottom line is Giannis got a ring already and is still a contender every year since

[@heartsllc2860]

Ima casual but someone getting crossed at the all star game isn’t gonna make them lose a sponsorship

[@ericdupree8603]

When it comes to the expectations of Lebron James coming into the NBA. All imma say to that is if you once looked at Lebron James at 18 years old, and convinced yourself this kid was going to be the All Time Leading scorer then you are lying.

[@Thatguyeph23]

1:20:40 they wild for that , they lied and said he said Oscar . He never said Oscar fluent and chill are wild for that.

[@daeshawnkemp879]

Exactly 🤣 Low started his list over like 3 times and never mentioned Oscar

[@sulwhale3171]

You right but at first it seem like he did mention it lol

[@thogro99]

Averaging 15 assists for years and not being a top 10 playmaker is wild. Then again LOW is in his Jokic is better bag, so he will die on any hill. The Wilt argument is nuts too.

[@MarzTalksSports]

aint no way u believe wilt is better than jokic offensively at peak

[@thogro99]

@@MarzTalksSports Wilt would cook Jokic. We know what Embiid does 1 on 1, imagine what Wilt would do. Jokic is great but people are getting way ahead of theirselves...

[@taquaywhite4503]

@@thogro99 wilt would cook jokic because jokic isn’t a good defender😂. The 1v1 debate is dumb when talking about a player’s offense. If my offense is a 10 and yours is like an 8. But your defense is like an 8-9 and my defense is like a 4 of course you would cook me. But it’s not because your offense is better Now if the argument made was jokic is just a better player, then yeah it’s a crazy argument but if it’s just offensive it’s not crazy

[@BigDaddyKane2418]

Why is everyone making points of “if”?? If jokic was in that era. If Kobe was asked to pass. If David Robinson played in this era. Discrediting someone’s argument with an if is so lazy.

[@tyreejennings1764]

Fluent and ticket sound foolish. Their number one argument was "what about defense" in a debate only around offense

[@spce956]

Wemby is the best player in the League as Right now.

[@anthony2b173]

😂😂😂

[@cnoteda1and0nly]

I recommend them putting charities on the line for the winner. Didn’t the last competitive All Star game have charities on the line?

[@Truehokagedel]

They do that now

[@taquaywhite4503]

They do that now, but because of how it works team lebron was down 17 at the start of the last part, and in an all star game you aren’t scoring 41 points before the other team scores 24

[@kjo2130]

People are overreacting as usual. Literally 2-3 years ago we had a CLASSIC all star game that went down the the literal last second. Some games will be good... others won't. No big deal.

[@korvinlasley8834]

Jokic can give you 10 points and still be the most effective player in the game

[@frankhernandez8772]

Love the pod but having teams not in the playoffs as of today like the TWolves and Pelicans over the knicks is nasty

[@isold9455]

Ticket said the nuggets and Celtics are frauds but proceeds to say the the clippers gonna be in the nba finals 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@mosessanusi]

They think that Jordan had a offensive peak then Jokic. But Kobe don't??!!!! The disrespect is real and sad. The man is dead and can't defend himself.

[@eabarney22]

1:21:36 fluent, you my guy but this the biggest 4k cap I've seen from you lol

[@aaronsansbury9514]

Jokic isn't resting on defense he just can't play defense

[@lamarmorales-odom1666]

That jokic is better than kobe offensively is WIILLDDD

[@destinedforgreatness3030]

He was saying from like a 3yr sample not in general

[@Abbad1579]

😂😂

[@Natax99Final]

just rename the channel to Jokic choice at this points 😂

[@2cents250]

KD averages more assists with Brooklyn and has one of the highest efficiency in his career 55% with the Nets. You can argue he is just as good if not better after the Achilles.

[@KvngWitDaBounce2412]

They not picking him up because of the contract Mell knows what he's worth and he's not taking a pay cut regardless SIMPLE

[@audriclloyd8947]

That argument that dame making a 30 footer isn't a good shot is dumb because it's a good shot for him. If dame is wide open at 30 feet I'm giving him the green light