He Got ROASTED For His NBA All-Time Criteria 🏀

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[@De3dSh0t]

I'm dying😂 Marz trying to argue logic with a dude who just made a list off of vibes and favourites is insane

[@user-truth904]

😂😂😂

[@TopTierHater]

“it doesn’t have to make sense” might be top 5 funniest things i’ve heard in players choice😂

[@MOCvision]

Marz got Ron moving that goalpost 😂

[@skywalker2676]

That’s why Ron be hanging around ticket lmaoo

[@thesportsfanatic2106]

Nah Ron got Ron moving the post lol

[@Ricooooo2r]

Marz put that boy Ron in purgatory

[@skywalker2676]

Straight purgatory 🤣🤣🤣

[@tyrellleach1846]

Im surprised Ron isnt 10 shades darker now. He got absolutely cooked

[@Chris1200923]

💀💀💀💀

[@MarzTalksSports]

Ron got cooked

[@sportspsp]

U smoked him

[@elijahrincon3586]

He might need to retire

[@StressedOutJimmy]

In an easy bake oven

[@DameFreshTV]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@elevatorelliot714]

I love when people get exposed for not being consistent

[@leosburner627]

Ron makes Ticket sound like a genius.

[@praisethesun9014]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Darkkent83]

Bruh BIG FACTS!

[@farhansarkar2394]

We need a list of the worst metaphors, as soon as Dub said "imagine your with a girl."

[@MJW1509]

Ron’s list is straight vibes and feels 😂 mars cooked him

[@JT-km6th]

Ron is hilarious man 😂 switches up his list however

[@DJ-ys9pv]

There is no combination of skill, longevity, winning and accolades that puts any player not named Jordan above Lebron and even that’s debatable. Doesn’t matter what your % are. Ron got cooked

[@mitchsn7706]

There are players with the skill, winning and accolades over Bron

[@ExclusiveExcellence]

@@mitchsn7706 I’m sorry but that’s just not true

[@bjrnthebootybandit]

Kareem

[@wooiiin7281]

@@mitchsn7706besides jordan. Who?

[@elevatorelliot714]

Jordan and LeBron are the 2 best players, it’s not even a debate.

[@vodka4gaben]

Unironically saying that Magic Johnson is a better basketball player than LeGoat is blasphemous

[@kambuibomani231]

I don’t think it is. Player spans beyond talent in my eyes

[@vodka4gaben]

​@@kambuibomani231 Magic was only a better playmaker than LeBron. LeBron clears magic in scoring and defending. It's not even close.

[@Darkkent83]

"It doesn't have to make sense" is the worst statement I've ever heard! 🙅🤷🤯🤡🤔

[@mobetta2092]

Dude with the locs is the kinda guy who thinks he could represent himself in court better than any attorney could.

[@kambuibomani231]

I use to overrate Kareem heavy until I did a deep dive and realized he came up small in a lot of playoff matchups following his first title until Magic came along. Because of that he’s no longer in my top-five.

[@Chillboyhaad]

Only has 2 FMVPs and damn near got carried the last 2, not to mention the competition in the West in the 80’s was bad

[@culifabrizio1479]

Oscar robertson

[@jonathansykes4986]

Players with the most finals MVP 1. Jordan with 6 2. Lebron with 4 3. Shaq with 3 3. Duncan with 3 3. Magic with 3 6. Kareem with 2. 6. Kobe with 2. 6. Durant with 2. 6. Kawhi with 2. 6. Hakeem with 2. 6. Larry Bird with 2. 6. Willis Reed with 2. Those are the multiple Finals MVP winners since the award was handed out since 1969. Also the ABA was from 1967-68 season to 1975-76. Post Merger 1976-77. Kareem won 1 title pre-merger, pre-magic. 4 MVPs pre-merger and 1 MVP the first year of the merger. Kareem won an MVP when his team finished 40-42.

[@kjo2130]

What’s funny is that the nastiest part of this video is the fact that dub has KD top 10 all time lol 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@benjaminan1183]

Cap

[@alltheworldsastage8597]

All these guys list are terrible in their own way. That’s why they always preface their list by saying it’s their opinion.

[@SosaaaBrady]

My Nigga everybody list is opinion, not just theirs

[@jonathansykes4986]

Not having Magic in top 10 is absurd.

[@kaekae1782]

Idk off the top of my head but it’s arguable he’s not top 10 in ability.

[@ExclusiveExcellence]

Not really outside of playmaking he’s pretty average at everything else in comparison to the rest of the ten

[@jonathansykes4986]

@@kaekae1782 clown take

[@jonathansykes4986]

@@ExclusiveExcellence even more clown takes.

[@TheIcemanthomas]

@@kaekae1782 your outta your mind

[@moochiebaby368]

Marz list actually makes the most sense

[@donknock-offs]

Ron died horribly 😂😂 my nigga started getting spicy and deflecting to Dub and Ticket

[@X02Overdose]

Marz was putting Ron through the spin cycle 💀💀💀

[@jonathansykes4986]

Kareem only won 1 NBA title before Magic and that was pre-merger. Also won an NBA MVP when his team record was 40-42. Only won 1 Finals MVP pre-Magic and 2 overall. Magic has 3x Finals MVP.

[@Rileylmao_]

He should’ve been finals MVP in 80 lowkey

[@mashadphoenix]

And Magic should’ve got it the year James Worthy won it.

[@2robjenkins]

It’s almost like basketball is a team sport, not 1 on 1.

[@jonnstewart2023]

​@@2robjenkins magic is still better

[@2robjenkins]

@@jonnstewart2023 they’re both all time greats, just depends on what you prefer in a player. Magic was a poor defender to me which holds him back in regards to other all time greats.

[@alucard3374]

Damn Marz BODIED that boy within the firsr 2 mins LMAO

[@dannyphantasmo7225]

Bruh the cognitive dissonance to rank players they like above others is ridiculous these arguments only exist because there isn’t a set criteria for the masses it’s all to subjective

[@Sh8kS]

I just think people should use winning accolades skillset and competition. if you factor in those 4 theres typically a consensus top 7 atleast.

[@dannyphantasmo7225]

@@Sh8kS i understand your reasoning but then we would just be arguing eye tests and that’s way to flawed even more so then using those 4 you mentioned so there really isn’t middle ground people just fail to be objective in some instances making these debates not fun like this video lmao

[@Sh8kS]

@@dannyphantasmo7225 sorry that was a typo. I think people SHOULD use those 4 criteria. I agree with you

[@dannyphantasmo7225]

@@Sh8kS ah ok my fault lmao

[@fjmontana3724]

Magic over Bron😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@mathewsb19951]

He's actually insane for that

[@trey6581]

Ron you should never talk basketball again 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@2cents250]

“My list is my list” 😭😭😭

[@SeecretWeapon]

i have a headache lesson here if you have a list have a criteria that judges each player equally

[@KleinpeterHank]

3:06 Marz got me crying man 😂

[@Chidu_u]

New to this channel. Ron basically told the guys that when you rank players that each of them have respective stories and when it gets close on ranking them he’ll give the edge to whoever has more rings/post szn success. It wasn’t that hard to get. He does need to work on articulating himself but those others guys just agreed with each other and didn’t have opinions of their own. Idk if that was the point of the segment that he argues with 4 other guys but that’s what it looked like

[@BlkStar99]

They didn't all agree with each other as their lists are all different because they rank their top 10 on different criteria. The only thing they agreed upon was ranking the players in a logical way based on what they value more as opposed to just ranking the players off vibes

[@jjsmooth23]

Not everyone’s list is consistent at the end of the day. We rank players based on many different reasons. I have player a over player b for a different reason than play c. Consistency can’t always be achieved with subjective list. This is all about preference

[@301lal3]

If ur criteria isn’t consistent then it’s just a random list and not something u could have a real debate on

[@von1626]

@@301lal3exactly

[@alexanderjackson8389]

​@@301lal3 name your consistent list..

[@jjsmooth23]

@@301lal3 list are subjective and at the end of the day can’t be objective no matter how you slice it.

[@ExclusiveExcellence]

If you have no consistency on your list that means that you’re just arbitrarily ranking people and nothing you’re saying has any logic or reasoning behind it making it DUMB

[@johnsepulvedacruz6428]

That was a terrible example no cap 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@moochiebaby368]

They got Ron looking crazy 😂😂

[@darriboy1]

Ron got himself looking crazy with that nut ass list

[@kamrynmccormack3464]

@@darriboy1 weak ass list bogus ass list chitty booty ass list

[@sportspsp]

Love Ron, but he makes crazy Basketball takes.

[@beatsbybebe8653]

If all those players won championship’s the only way you distinguish and separate them is by analyzing there individual talents and by those measures ain’t no way Bron is not a top 5 player

[@coreythomas3633]

Stupidity lebron the goat. His skill and longevity speaks for it self.

[@lt45gs]

Nah dub with the lob and marz with the bodie lmfaooo Ron got pacced upp

[@nib5567]

Damn, Marz left Ron in the oven too long……Pizza tonight gang!

[@therealkid617]

no cap this was the funniest segment

[@jaridatkinson4907]

Magic at 11 is insane

[@HoTSh0t24]

I hate how people act like there is actually correct answer to this question. Majority of people have about the same 12 guys mixed into the top 10. But then they argue and insult each other’s knowledge of basketball if it’s in a different order as them. Ridiculous 😂

[@jonathansykes4986]

Because if you have Kareem at 1 when 99% of people have him at 3, and you have Kobe over Lebron, when 99.9% have Lebron over Kobe, you are wilding out of control and you're just saying words.

[@xpertyt6801]

@@jonathansykes4986 that’s what I’m saying the criteria changes to fit their narrative

[@HoTSh0t24]

@@jonathansykes4986 that’s not true. There was a poll that house of highlights put up a couple months ago and way more than .1% had Kobe over Lebron. It was like 30 something % had Kobe over Lebron if I remember correctly. And A LOT of old heads who actually seen Kareem play have him over MJ. Like I said there is no definite answer so I wish everyone would stop pretending

[@jonathansykes4986]

@@HoTSh0t24 30% of ppl are dumb

[@HoTSh0t24]

@@jonathansykes4986 Wow. You have a beautiful mind Jonathan

[@huhmf4815]

I agree with Mars on this deadass!! Ron my boy you definitely confused yourself on this.

[@Dc225_]

Ron is good at moderating/hosting. Not debating.

[@FranciscoSilva-xk4hg]

Marz baked Ron... bro said at the end he had people infront of other people, and says Magic is better than Lebron, which is just false

[@rodneyquinnjr]

Having bill russel in your top 5 is just gross, context has to matter

[@Nootz23]

Context does matter, and given your position on Russell, I doubt you understand the context of his career.

[@jonnstewart2023]

​@@Nootz23 most people do era tax, and so do I, having one team as decent competition is not moving me sorry

[@Nootz23]

@Jonn Stewart that's mistakenly assuming (as most do) that Russell ALWAYS had the better team. In the early 60's, it was true. However, by the mid 60's that was no longer true. The '68 Celtics had no business beating the '68 Sixers, especially being down 3-1. What happened? Celtics came back and won the last 3 games, Wilt blamed all his teammates and got traded to the Lakers that summer. The same exact thing happened the next year in the '69 Finals vs, yep! Wilt and the Lakers. Once again, that Celtics team had no business beating the '69 Lakers, especially being down 3-1. The Celtics win the last 3 games, and Russell retires as the GOAT. You can do an "era tax" if you choose, but it's hard for me to hold it against players just because they were born in a different time.

[@coreythomas3633]

​@@jonnstewart2023 better competition because all the nba talent goes to those 8 teams. Idiot 90S IS A WEAK ERA. Stop this nonsense that 30 TEAM means better competition. It ridiculous.

[@coreythomas3633]

​@@jonnstewart2023 he BEAT WILT CHAMBERLAIN CLOWN. He beat guy thar avg 50. Of course bill Russel would translate to any era period. Avg 18ppg 22 rebounds can be every era.

[@ZaeKaneTV]

Mars be killin Ron 😢

[@FTOxRome]

I can’t take nobody serious if your 1 or 2 isn’t bron or jordan

[@coreythomas3633]

Kareem has the most mvps bills was has the most rings. Nobody topping these two in that.

[@ronnyfwea]

What’s the point of these debates if there’s no agreed upon criteria ?

[@jonathansykes4986]

Clicks and views.

[@benjaminan1183]

You could judge somebody's lists based on their own criteria.

[@DameFreshTV]

What I noticed is, y'all complain about an ever changing MVP criteria, but most of the people here never have a consistent criteria for ranking players lmfao. This was amazing.

[@ricemandavis2815]

Gotta love Mars. What's wrong with Ron lol. Ron kept running

[@alltheworldsastage8597]

It’s not hard any of these guys on this segment look silly.

[@Gmacshow]

Did he say it does not have to make sense really wow. How is he regular debater on this channel is beyond on me.

[@antsupreme88]

Ability to hoop = play offense

[@FireMaster123]

Ron dosent know anything about Basketball

[@luisvarela1933]

I’m not a been a big marz fan lately but he was cooking today 😎

[@JoDiamond807]

HYPOCRISY😂😂

[@alecxjones4419]

It’s not goal post moving, it’s called substantial criteria. Literally google goal post moving

[@bigt100]

9:58 bro Ron what the fuck🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀

[@Natax99Final]

😂wtf was that Ron

[@SirTalks2Much23]

Mar got Ron tight

[@moochiebaby368]

Ron’s list has no logic he do better just saying he likes who he likes

[@Thatboyroc]

Ron ain’t making no sense 😂😂😂

[@jsobawse]

Ole boy just doesn’t value the competition from the 50s and 60s as much as later decades and that’s why he doesn’t value the players and their talent from those eras

[@ryansomenek2631]

I think he means individual contribution to winning, a large part of Bill's 11 championships was the era and being on one of the most dominant super teams ever.

[@brandoncrockett9266]

Those “dominant super teams” weren’t that until he started playing for them though. Those guys around Russell get too much credit; they made up a strong supporting cast, but none of them matched Bill’s contributions to winning. He was their MVP in almost every respect.

[@Ricooooo2r]

He made them a super team. The 8 HOFERS argument is dumb bc none of them would be considered HOFERS without bill Russell

[@ryansomenek2631]

@@brandoncrockett9266 Russell is great but come on he had like 6 hall of fame's where as most people play with 2 maybe 3, also this was the 60's the basketball wasnt that high level yet

[@ryansomenek2631]

@@Ricooooo2r and if he played on wilts teams would he have 11, I think not, he was great but he also had a stacked team in a uncompetitive era.

[@brandoncrockett9266]

@@ryansomenek2631 What were those 6 Hall of Famers doing before Russell? Some of them weren’t even there by the time Russell won his first chip as a rookie. NO ONE in that Celtics organization-not the players, not Auerbach, etc.-had won ANYTHING of note before Russell. Then he shows up and they win 11 of the next 13 championships. If you think that that has more to do with those other guys-some of whom weren’t even there yet by the time the run began-than it does Russell, then I don’t know what to tell you. He was the catalyst, and they don’t come CLOSE to doing what they did without him.

[@andy-brutusmichaud9340]

No disrespect but Ron is a CASUAL NO CAP 🧢,just keep being the host that's it

[@tyronebray9593]

Favorite list is different than a ranking of best players in this case lol. LeBron being out of the top 3 with his logic is insane 😊😂

[@alvin081988]

Rob is the worst person to defend a client when convicted with a crime....his logic doesn't make sense

[@jecoy2]

Ron BIG MAD 😂

[@jonathansykes4986]

Honestly having Hakeem in top 10 is wild AF and just shows me one is placing some well placed winning titles in a Jordan retirement era NBA is overvaluing Hakeem. Hakeem won a close 7 game series versus Knicks with "basically no one" and then swept the Shaq magic with 3 other players who showed up in the finals Clyde Drexler had 21.5 / 9.5 / 6.8 Robert Horry had 17.8 / 10 / 4 / 3 / 2 Mario Elie had 14 / 4 / 3 / 2 Robert Horry had nearly as many rebounds as Hakeem , more blocks than Hakeem, and more steals than Hakeem.

[@jjsmooth23]

How is the wild when at worse he’s a top 12 player.

[@wooiiin7281]

Please hush

[@RLSmith-jt8qj]

Jordan doesn't get credit for sitting out 94. He disqualified himself from consideration by retiring. And he was on that bulls team that lost to the magic in the 95 playoffs. I don't care of you say he's rusty. He stepped on the court with the intention of winning and he got sent home. It counts against him.

[@jonathansykes4986]

@@jjsmooth23 How much better is Hakeem compared to Steph, KD, Giannis or KG?

[@jjsmooth23]

@@jonathansykes4986 KG’s playoff woes and lack of scoring production makes it hard to argue him over Hakeem. Hakeem being a 2 way player puts him over KD and Steph imo. Giannis needs more longevity and great playoff runs before he’s over Hakeem. Hakeem’s playoff peaks is top 5

[@xpertyt6801]

Marz had this man in a blender

[@marlowstanfield6815]

Kareem does not have more accolades than Michael Jordan, where did dude with the dreads get that from?

[@thomasbowling7458]

He actually does. He has more MVPs

[@Nootz23]

​@Thomas Bowling Kareem having 6 MVP's vs Jordan having 5 = Kareem has more accolades?

[@marlowstanfield6815]

@@thomasbowling7458 yes 1 more season mvp but 4 less fmvps. Jordan also has 10 scoring titles to Kareems 2

[@jonnstewart2023]

​@@thomasbowling7458 mvps aren't the only accolades, if u count them in total jordan has more

[@pierredorsey7983]

If you think about totality of playing ball from high school to end of career which is one of the ways players can get into the basketball hall of fame ( college and pros ) I believe Kareem won the national championship every year he was in college .

[@gzzomega7661]

This Larry bird disrespect is crazy

[@officialroseworld1997]

Tim Duncan beat a prime Shaq & Kobe & stopped them from 4 straight championships. We’d be talking about both of them differently. He’s also 2-1 against LeBron in the finals. Never had losing season. Won 50+ games every year except a lockout season & that year they won the championship. Tim Duncan is one of a handful of players with 3 MVPs & 3 Finals MVPs. His resume is Goated he’s considered the greatest PF ever.

[@MarzTalksSports]

he has 2 mvps not 3

[@officialroseworld1997]

@@MarzTalksSports correct

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@officialroseworld1997 Tim Duncan joined a 50 win spurs team( yes they were 50 wins the season before Robinson got hurt )

[@officialroseworld1997]

@@NothingElseMattersJM that’s fine. They hadn’t won anything

[@officialroseworld1997]

@@NothingElseMattersJM when jordan came out of retirement, he joined a +50 win team. Nobody discredits his 3peat.

[@emmanuelnsibukassongo-7261]

My top 15: 1. MJ 2. Bron 3. Magic 4. Kareem 5. Chamberlain 6. Russell 7. Kobe 8. Duncan 9. Shaq 10. Bird 11. Curry 12. KD 13. Dr.J 14. Olajuwon 15. Moses Malone

[@SirTalks2Much23]

I’m wit marz on this 1

[@jonathansykes4986]

Shaq over Duncan isn't that egregious since peak Shaq is better than peak Duncan.

[@JT-km6th]

But Tim Duncan achieved more and has more longevity, he also never ring chased and that goes a long way. He also achieved his rings without another top 10 player. It is pretty egregious

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@JT-km6th by ur criteria its egregious not everyone shares your values

[@JT-km6th]

@@MarzTalksSports only argument Shaq has is a 3peat

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@JT-km6th like i said by YOUR criteria the 3 peat is his only argument,ur viewing it through ur lens of criteria not everyone ranks ur way

[@zombie92110]

Based on his criteria it's an absolute nonsense.

[@Ttack]

His favourite players not the best basically

[@ronniejefferson9389]

How old is the dude Marz? He jus named an all time list of ppl that can be his grandfather 😂 bro did u really watch these ppl play basketball bro

[@MarzTalksSports]

Yes ive watched these people play basketball

[@jonathansykes4986]

ppl be acting like videos dont exist.

[@micah459]

I think I understand what Ron is trying to say but I disagree.

[@ZZ-ex8py]

This is why I don’t take anyone seriously on the panel besides marz and low

[@farhansarkar2394]

Chill and Fluent are cool too

[@ZZ-ex8py]

@@farhansarkar2394 idk about fluent but chill is just as dumb as Ron I’ve seen low do to chill what marz just did to Ron Just cuz he old don’t mean he’s smart

[@LaChrisNola]

​@@ZZ-ex8py Nah marz and low literally piggy back each other they don't have their own opinions. Low uses a computer in front his face to argue basketball ans Marz just agrees with everything he says they like little kids fr

[@ZZ-ex8py]

@@LaChrisNola what’s wrong with backing a correct opinion 🤣

[@farhansarkar2394]

@Chris Nola1997 Marz and Low have disagreed before, most of their opinions align with Thinking Basketball who has changed the game for basketball analysis. Also the stats argument is stupid, they consistently back up their takes with the eye test. If you don't follow thinking basketball and that side of the internet you are just behind

[@mannymatencio1279]

Ron is just a laker fan thats why he have exceptions fo those who wear a laker jersey😂

[@juspeace907]

kareem was not a better basketball player than jordan , lebron, magic, bird...I could go on

[@JT-km6th]

So where do you have Kareem in your top 10? You said you could go on, have you got him at 8th?

[@jonathansykes4986]

Kareem is definitely better than Bird.

[@coreythomas3633]

Kareem more dominate as a center than everybody. Except lebron

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@coreythomas3633 Kareem wasn’t better than Shaq

[@chriskendall1619]

yeah stick to moderating Ron 💀

[@seankelly4594]

Take Ron out the oven he’s done

[@j.r.griffin1229]

If it’s a ron + marz debat I’m out 🤦🏾

[@jonwan]

Ron’s list is fine especially having Kobe ranked higher than LeBron all time that’s a given. Solid list Ron.

[@elevatorelliot714]

His criteria was garbage with no consistency

[@vishbegamin]

Doesn’t take much to cook Ron

[@juspeace907]

Dubs list is just as bad if not worse

[@lazndora2026]

Marz wrong for this sh!t🤣🤣🤣

[@oscar1847]

Ron needs to be like del and just say it's personal preference

[@lukacalov1988]

Guys like Marz are the worst ones They think if a certain criteria applied for one player the opposite one cant be in favour of another Also he is dsq from bball convo cuz he has lebron at 1

[@MarzTalksSports]

facts

[@thornflex391]

lol magic over lebron is crazy i mean lbj is almost as good of a passer as magic but the greatest scorer ever ..smh

[@Chastennn]

Hol up LET MARZ COOK

[@trecampbell5327]

I think it should be based off eras 60s should be bill 70s kareem 80s magic and bird 90s Jordan 00s Kobe shaq and Duncan 10s Lebron KD and Steph

[@taquaywhite4503]

Lebron and steph

[@trecampbell5327]

@@taquaywhite4503 ehhh I put KD up there also he has 4 scoring titles, 2 rings, an mvp and all star game mvp and 2 finals mvp. Never mind him jumping to the warriors, lebron jumped to the heat and his finals record was 3-6 in that decade so I put 3 of them since KD was arguably the 2nd best player that whole decade behind lebron

[@taquaywhite4503]

@@trecampbell5327 he was arguably second best for half the decade, 2016-20 steph was better. Also the lebron and kd moves aren’t comparable,lebron went to a team that was either missing the playoffs or getting bounced first round and was the best player on the team he joined. Kd joined the team with the best record in NBA history, that he should’ve beat and blew a 3-1 lead to and was the second best player on the team he joined. I’m sorry idgaf about an all star game mvp lmao, it doesn’t enhance your legacy any. And if you think it does I’m sorry but we have nothing to speak about

[@N_L_23]

Ron got cooked, baked, deep fried, sautéed and served with 3 forks and spoons

[@lukacalov1988]

Kareem at No 1 is asenine How is he even top 5???he got swept by moses malone and was only once the best player on his own team out of 10 trips

[@hardwoodthought1213]

He was the best player on the first LA championship team

[@BerryDre]

Ron’s lord makes sense but you’re doinga horrible job explaining my guy

[@kingj3312]

at least ticket consistent. this nigga ron tripping 🤣

[@Pradyumna3008]

Damn this was funny Ron got destroyed in every way

[@cartergammage1540]

Love ron but he’s not very smart lol