First Sliver vs Tasigur vs Najeela vs Tymna/Thrasios | CEDH Gameplay

[@KenBaumann]

Cycling Tainted Pact is a flex.

[@registeel8547]

This game in a nutshell: Hulltwister plus timebreacher

[@BronzeDwarf]

That was such a thrilling game of solitaire at the end, love to see it.

[@OfficerYeet]

If you play cedh this is completely normal

[@SvviftDeath]

The Table: How many times do you need to cast Timetwister before you win? Folger: Yes

[@davidcrawford9407]

casting someone else's timetwister twice in the same turn has to be one of the biggest flexes from a combo deck

[@ericbowers9307]

"Teferi, master of time cast after 4 timetwisters" Teferi, bud you're a little late to the party man times already fucked

[@jblegomaster3989]

Not even aminatou could’ve saw all the timetwisters

[@90kalos1]

That last turn was crazy. Folger did a fantastic turn of piloting his deck in the last turn.

[@WillCorvinus]

I like seeing Folger pilot Tasigur, reminds me of Garret's playstyle, very wholesome.

[@tylersy9825]

this game in a nutshell: T I M E T W I S T E R

[@God-ch8lq]

Isnt it in the power 9

[@jdcommander7026]

Would love to pause and consider the opening hands. Wouldn'd mind hearing feedback on the reason/goal of the keeps. My analysis below: Ryan on T&T keeps 3 lands, Carpet, Flusterstorm, Mana Drain, & Enlightened Tutor. That's a solid seven with some good ramp, a Tutor for whatever flex piece or potential wincon (Isochron), and a couple of counters, in what appears to be a mid/late game style T&T list. Folger, on Tasigur, keeps 3 lands, Dark Rit, Stubborn Denial, Sylvan Library, Neoform, which is odd. Seems like the keep is solely based on a Turn 2 Sylvan Library as he's got zero fetchlands to ramp into Tasigur, so earliest we can see it is T3. Without Tasigur, Stubborn Denial is pretty meh. Not so sure on this keep as a "control deck." Zack, on FC Sliver, keeps 3 lands, Entomb, Imp Seal, Foresight, Ad Naus. This means he's got a way to exile his creatures or get one into the bin with the other (Entomb/Foresight) becoming a dead card. Aside from that, there's a T2 draw of his choice (Imp Seal), and then an unprotected Naus he can use late or try to force through. Not sure this one is a great keep, as I understand FCS wants to go fast and this hand doesn't do much of that unless the plan turns into Imp Seal for FC, then slam it on T3 and hope it sticks to use on T4. Otherwise it is hoping for a lot with draws. Mike, on Najeela, has 2 lands, DRS, Dockside, Lotus Petal, Dispel, and Hullbreacher. This hand looks solid. Mike can easily go DRS T1, into T2 Najeela with *protection*, which is the goal of the deck. Then, Mike can fall back on a nasty piece in Hullbreacher and explode with mana with Dockside if the board plays out that way. Unfortunately, it looks like Mike valued Hullbreacher over Najeela, even spending his Dispel to ensure it stuck around. This cuts off draws, but didn't slam Najeela, which would have been ripe for attacks with a mostly empty board. I get that it shuts off two cards from Ryan (Tymna) and two cards from Folger (Sylvan), but this delays Najeela getting into a potential winning boardstate and prevents him from having protection for her later. Not an awful call, but I think T2 Najeela with Dispel up may have been the better option. We can easily see how impactful Najeela is as he later slams into Zack and really cuts off his ability for a good Naus (which we know he has thanks to the opening hand) and likely caused him to jam it (unsure if he had a counter since it got Fluster'd).

[@jdcommander7026]

In any case, glad to see the game and always appreciate people putting out good content. I just think there's value in reviewing gameplay and determining optimal lines, other routes to victory, and considering if mistakes were made. It helps me improve and I think helps others learn from their, and other's, mistakes/choices.

[@hokeyrulz26]

Folger trying to please Cinestra as much as possible with this Tasigur play

[@raiynen]

hullbreacher is MVP because it's the only card that allowed folger to loop as much as he did without worrying about giving his opponents additional resources, whereas there's any number of wheel effects that could have been used in place of time twister.

[@one_bad_mofo8658]

Hello $150 counter spell. Prepare to meet your demise with a 25 cent counter spell!

[@jaredsmith6565]

That final turn was the greatest thing I’ve ever seen

[@Bthepig]

That was an absolute joy to watch! Props to Folger figuring that out.

[@connorl0204]

That last turn was hilarious! Iv never seen so many twisters in one game, let alone one turn.

[@0ghma_]

The final turn had me cackling so loud it scared my cat, a beautiful display once again!

[@6LordMortus9]

Hullbreacher + Notion Thief explanation was perfect!

[@drewdanaceau8844]

Loved seeing Folger pilot his new timetwister deck!

[@julianhugen8760]

"Wake Me Up Before You Combo" by Remi come to mind.

[@JustforKikX]

I literally have to go take a shower after that TT display. Absolutely filthy.

[@Speetlebeetle]

Seeing Folger with that Tasigur deck was a great breath of fresh air with an underutilized commander. Seriously loved this game!

[@TheTrueDragonLord]

I loved the game, the stat I was curious about was hull breacher treasures created

[@TheBlackdragon936]

At least 105 mana. 21X5

[@calanata2227]

@@TheBlackdragon936 plus 15 off windfall

[@copperthief9454]

I do believe if I counted right it should equal 120 treasures created

[@teamnormie9235]

Folger: C'mon baybeh, lets do the Twist!!

[@MrDeathnoob]

Sheesh by this point Time is super twisted. I really don't wanna be the person who has to undo it.

[@MtendoTheSkunk]

Not the most Timetwisters I've seen played in one game but definitely the most I've seen played in one turn. That was a crazy turn.

[@DellConagerMTG]

So pumped for the tournament! See you all there (;

[@zehk7963]

"Tassigur" is misspelled in the overlay, though it's such a minor error I almost didn't notice at all. Great video still though!

[@MrThewooter]

That was like watching canlander, beautiful.

[@andrewlaverghetta715]

POWERFUL MAGIC!

[@pefp2008]

That plot twist (pun intended) was amazing. Wash, rinse and repeat.

[@iFluxyy]

Mike with an opening hand of literally the best 1, 2 and 3 drop creatures in his colors

[@overweightactor]

Wow, Folger. You're some kind of war criminal.

[@typoholic]

That was some awesome piloting by Folger.

[@savsa-yt]

Folger went full "Let's ♫ do ♫ the Timetwister ♫ again!".

[@kingginger3335]

I understand the pain of the table having to sit there and do nothing. My buddy donovan builds all of his decks that way. Most of our games look like this lol

[@ryanliesandy4988]

Even without showing faces, I somehow can see Mike looking at Zack with a face full of questions like that dude from "Bee Movie"

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

We talked about the attack for at least 15 minutes lol! I was so surprised and astonished he would make the attack there tbh -Mike

[@charlesmaillho367]

Folger's last turn is why I love watching him play so much. His deck building skills, his patience for holding up interaction, and his ability to know when to go for the win is second to none on this channel. I guess that's usually why he's the archenemy in almost every game he plays. Keep it up Folger.

[@mattyuen7113]

So many TWISTS. (Also, those Warrior tokens are pretty cute 😍)

[@justinveron698]

The last turn was A TURN!

[@patrickdavis8271]

ANOTHER great video Playing with Power! That's why Hullbreacher is in my deck. Its too bad there isn't a MTG card out that causes damage to an opponent every time a Treasure is placed on the field. If there is one, it would have to be blue or red. lol

[@TraucerDaUrbania]

There's disciple of the vault type cards

[@jamesmaier5544]

thats also why he is banned now 😅

[@isaacsoong1621]

Most convoluted way to get a Thassa's Oracle win. I like it

[@darthrevan4616]

Amazing game yet again gentlemen 👏

[@deckssays]

So much content recently! Love it

[@Baghadello]

Zack didn‘t draw a card from the Foresight trigger during his upkeep @4:40. This made Mike forget to trigger Hullbreacher.

[@bigmanwonderland2296]

The card specifically states draw during the next turns upkeep, not his. He drew during Mike's upkeep after the turn he played it. It's also mentioned by the announcer.

[@jax099]

That was the longest shortest game I've seen

[@TripsAhoy]

Holy Timetwister Batman!!!! ;)

[@Speetlebeetle]

It may have been Thoracle, but damn if it wasn’t fun and entertaining to watch!

[@beastboy126]

You can see Mike picking up all salty!

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

It wasn’t a salty scoop I swear! 😄

[@nathanreynaud2967]

Ah. The legendary timetwistertwister...

[@MrMarson123456]

that ending was a real twist.

[@apock2474]

Second best video on your channel. Best was Godo vs Godo vs Godo vs Godo

[@stul0031]

Hullbreacher mvp makes a lot of sense, without it he wouldn't have had the mana to get through that final turn, 5xtimetwister was obviously huge but you have to be able to cast it.

[@MisterFerv]

PwP: "Now you're playing with Thassa's Oracle."

[@DevTh1nk]

Just the right amount of timetwisters

[@CharlotteMimic]

Hullbreacher is a messed-up magic card. Very fun video tho :)

[@lostgenius]

Would love to see Tergrid at some point soon.

[@dom_rocks7923]

Some new PwP!

[@markwilliams6008]

That was nuts!

[@CeilingNinja]

I usually dislike Oracle+Consult wins since they're so ubiquitous, but with that ridiculous turn... I'm perfectly happy with it

[@abrahamdrinkin2534]

Zach not using any mulligans? What realm is this???

[@davec8385]

What an incredible game! Great video good job to Folger for the win and I hope you guys have a good rest of your day

[@AlteCSwe1]

If Folger had 6 lands in hand after Twister #2, where do both Chrome Mox and Tainted Pact come from? He didn't get them from Tasigur :P

[@Sycord]

Misplay at 8:55 you can't bottom all three cards with a Thassa's Oracle trigger. It's amazing how this card is one of the most important cards in cEDH, yet still nobody seems to know how to resolve it correctly xD

[@Magidex]

It's because getting an actual card into your hand isn't the reason cedh plays it.

[@NMS127]

"Put *up to* one of them on top of your library". So you can bottom them all.

[@bigmanwonderland2296]

Yes you can bottom all of them. You can choose to have no cards go on the top of your library.

[@_Astrum]

I love watching Tasigur pop off

[@one_bad_mofo8658]

Tassigur: "Holy wheels on a wagon, fatman! Since when did I become a storm commander?!"

[@thepastamericadream]

Why didn't Ryan kill Folger with Thrasios? Folger had 0 cards in his library and a notion thief. Now Folger could stop it with removal on the thief but still it most likely would have worked.

[@weegeelinguini3704]

You can't make people draw with thrasios

[@niccolofarina3773]

@@weegeelinguini3704 when there are multiple cards that replace an effect, it's the controller of the card that triggers the effect to replace who decides which one the replacement is, at least that's what I understood, so he would have drawn with thrasios, but since there were hullbreacher and notion thief , would cause the opponent to draw with the effect of notion thief

[@weegeelinguini3704]

@@niccolofarina3773 No, actually the affected player or owner of the object gets to decide. If I draw a card when one person has a hullbreacher and another has a notion thief, whoever draws the card gets to pick. Cr 616.1

[@weegeelinguini3704]

@@niccolofarina3773 I don't remember the context, probably because you responded to a comment that is almost two years old.. what was it?

[@niccolofarina3773]

@@weegeelinguini3704 exactly, so me who controls thrasios decides that the effect of notion thief must happen and if you who control notion thief have 0 cards you lose the game

[@Dragynstone1202]

I'm surprised nobody drew any instant speed interaction to remove the hullbreacher in the 15 fresh grips his opponents had.

[@shalidor8102]

They don't get to draw when there's a Hullbreacher out.

[@Magidex]

Hullbreacher replaces "and your opponents get 7 new cards" with "you make 21 treasures". They literally drew 0 cards each time.

[@joeyholubek3960]

This game is an example of why I absolutely haaaaate hullbreacher

[@TheWowdrew]

Thank you card should never have been printed

[@Jay15199]

Man, I LOVE breeches. A good way of punishing extra draws.

[@aftonlagrandeur5777]

That was a crazy gameee

[@thyleria]

Infinite Timetwister Tasigur yooo

[@jayharyu927]

Zack attacking Mike with The First Sliver is the epitome of ‘choices have consequences’

[@adfinder5791]

We still need to see the pictures from last game

[@gqphoenixclops3056]

What happens when Ad Nauseum casts a spell with Cascade? Does the Cascade trigger(s) wait to be resolved after Ad Nauseum resolves in player choice order?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Cascade resolves first

[@gqphoenixclops3056]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG That's truly coo coo cuchoo.

[@Ivaka12]

The link for Thrasios/Tymna shows 99 cards only. What is the 100th card? :D

[@Darkaces1289]

Why did he do that final attack with najeela?

[@ajax4709]

You guys should build around obsolete/underplayed commanders

[@andrewlaverghetta715]

I don't' know if that'd be as much fun, but I do think it'd be fun if they made up a legendary creature to play with, a custom card, and played with that. Just so they didnt' all do every color, maybe they could put some of their favorite color combos into a hat and draw which color pairs/sets they have to make their custom cards around.

[@ajax4709]

@@andrewlaverghetta715 yeah, I am just kind of tired of seeing the same 15-20 commanders over and over again. I get that they are the best, but it gets a little stale seeing the same combos/wincons over and over again

[@klutzmtg2310]

@@ajax4709 There aren't that many different combos/wincons at the end of the day. They don't play casual magic where jank is more often played. They do play more fringe cEDH decks sometimes but today definitely wasn't one of those times.

[@Happymasks]

Let's do the time warp again~

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

I see you quiver with antici..........

[@Kethar]

This has probably been asked, but are these decks played with proxies/prints? Or is there that much capital just on these tables?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Some proxies. Mostly real cards.

[@AUGOM0919]

I see tasigur, i immediately watch..

[@RetroPokemonTCG]

So what the heck did Zack tutor up with his Imperial Seal? I was certain it would have been Food Chain, but then he just....never cast it

[@Egovinco98]

id think mana crypt, pretty standard

[@RetroPokemonTCG]

@@Egovinco98 I don't play cEDH, but couldn't he have tried to win the game on turn 3 if he tutored for a Food Chain?

[@Egovinco98]

@@RetroPokemonTCG no creature to start chaining with on turn 3. and slow

[@zmonty011]

It was Mana Crypt to cast ad naus

[@destroyingmlgz4616]

lets go new vid

[@oneof13forestpeople97]

Great game omg!

[@smegmalasagna]

This is what happends when you print *non symetrical* stax pieces with powerful effects.

[@SmugLookingBarrel]

Everybody do the time twist.

[@psychic2021]

After all that I need a cigarette...

[@flameberga]

I thought I’ll see treasure count at the end

[@koreyg8552]

What was the purpose of all those tinetwusters, was he not getting the cards he needed every time he twisted?

[@bigmanwonderland2296]

Everytime he played Timetwister, Hullbreacher net him 21 treasure tokens.

[@veldin4108]

I love Tasigur

[@connorosborn7187]

Not surprised hullbreacher got banned really

[@gavrielcampbell6655]

is anyone else irked by the fact that the tymna's alternate art does have a name plate but thrassios does not?

[@buddadragonmtg4848]

While this was a great game guys I'm not sure if these are the most powerful decks in the meta atm. Those farm or turbo naus decks are beast too lol.

[@Sorran87]

Has there been any discussion in the cEDH community to ban Hullbreacher? Or is truly not game-warping enough to get the ban?

[@darkdragonXD1]

Best card of the game: Ryan Timetwister been stolen multiple times xD

[@chaelsonnen1]

insane!

[@user-dy5fk8ff1v]

that was fukn sick

[@ahoy1014]

That's some Four Horsemen level of recycling your deck

[@darklordrowan6152]

"What a wicked final turn" Ah yes the Thassa's Oracle, the solitaire game ender, from out of no where who could have guessed that would have won him it?

[@intendemowe9115]

How many Time Twisters would you like to cast? Des.

[@Icecolten1]

Was that 6 or 7 timetwisters total?

[@klutzmtg2310]

5

[@allterraincapybara6749]

What a game lol

[@philippwae]

hullbreacher should have been a white card.

[@Starcraftgamer97]

Say it louder for Rosewater in the back!

[@LC-wv7tz]

No, Hullbreacher should have never been printed. Smothering Tither is a powerful and thematic white version of the effect, Hullbreacher is a broken PoS that warps every game around itself.