An Introduction and Reaction to the New Horus Heresy Ruleset

[@BbMiniatures]

Thanks Nick for having me down at the studio and allowing me to share my thoughts and passion for the Horus Heresy. Much ✌️❤️🙏 till we meet on Prospero!!!

[@TheKlabim]

whats written on your shirt? my reverse-google-search said "fine herbs". i am really curious!

[@arifkasumov4213]

You are great, man;)

[@jamesmontalvo5026]

Magnus was wrong. Ariman is super dope though!

[@ryanmack99]

Ya Brennan!

[@domainsofambience5612]

God, your models look amazing! I can't even comprehend the way you've painted Magnus - he just looks so damn awesome! Guess I've gotta check out your tutorials to up my own painting game!

[@ThomasGallinari]

"This is not meant to be a competitive game" You got me on board.

[@Jezza_One]

It has a points system and official scenarios so I would say it has all the trappings of a competetive game.

[@kaibe5241]

@@Jezza_One "competitive" when it comes to GW is a joke.

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

@@Jezza_One exactly. I actually think that 40k is actually less competitive because of the reliance on random dice rolls and pages and pages of arbitrary rules that barely make sense

[@Tropicoboy]

​@jeremyboughtono2 but on the whole Horus Heresy players really gatekeep how the game is played and really encourage thematic and fluffy games

[@Funko777]

@@Tropicoboy lol wut? Gatekeeping nonmeta lists?? Yeah, because 40k has become extremely toxic due to the meta chasing, constant rules changing, and hyper competitive attitudes of sweaty nerds. 30k has long been a haven away from that bs. It's not gatekeeping, it's what the game was made for. If you want meta crap then 40k is still there.

[@Dr_Evil_Prime]

Thanks for covering Horus Hersey, you guys rock! I’m hoping that Horus Hersey largely is far more balanced than 9th due to both loyalists and heretics having access to the same data sheets.

[@IndianaSmallmouth]

Why not wait a while to buy it. Then you'll be able to see if the cheapo box models aren't what you should field

[@Nortic111]

A 'Burning of Prospero' Battle Report? Yes please! I listened to the audio books of 'A Thousand Sons' and 'Prospero Burns' recently so that would be perfect!

[@BbMiniatures]

One on my favourite HH novels ☺️

[@Blandamour]

Loving the addition of the music. Maybe keep it a wee bit lower in volume though relative to the speakers (but don't stop doing it!)

[@KarlRosner]

I love how after every one was saying they were going to get rid of firstborn they end up releasing plastic horus heresy, it's just too delicious. First born are never going away, they will just re-release the kits as 'new first born' in a few years and old nerds like me will buy them.

[@Speknoz]

Gotta keep them stock values up.

[@jimmybobby4824]

First born 40k are gone forever.

[@nightmagnus7595]

Waiting on the "PlayOn Presents: Every Edition" where they just play from Rogue Trader up to whatever is current and comment on the strangeness of the rules. Then, in the final episode, they rate them all.

[@samaltschul4605]

America really needs a heresy scene. Thanks guys.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

Quite literally 🌚

[@gamechanger8908]

Ben Shapiro heresy

[@Ainalom]

I took a short 6-7month warhammer break after I started a new job, moved and had a little burnout. Since I've gotten setup in my new place I want to thank Nick, Tak, Tycho and Steve and everyone else for having such inviting and enthusiastic personalities at Play On. I have been binging your content and have been loving every minute of it. I was never really that interested in Heresy before but after seeing this, it actually looks like it would be a fun passion project and a good time at the table. Love the content, keep up the hard work!

[@PlayOnTabletop]

Thank you! Really appreciate the support!

[@t3k7]

just split the box set with my friend, i am excited to paint some imperial fists

[@808state666]

Great vid that i watched on the beach in Greece. My preorder is sat unloved at home until Saturday. You have got me so stoked to play HH again.

[@mantradox]

You guys really need to make HH your weekly report. I don't know how, don't know from where you need to get all the resources. But it is a must.

[@PlayOnTabletop]

That is a tall order. I also don't know how. Or where to get all those resources. Would be lovely though

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

I like these rules better than normal 40k :p

[@The_Shnoz]

I can't wait for another heresy battle report, the system plays and looks much more interesting than 40k. By the way, does anyone here know what music is playing in the background?

[@nicholyer]

I just got my box set today it looks so cool

[@bernardomatta4218]

What do we want? Horus Heresy for sure

[@Nortic111]

2:02 Would you guys still be planning on putting together a 'Burning of Prospero' battle report? It would be awesome to see!

[@PlayOnTabletop]

Plans continue to evolve. Efforts are progressing. This will take some time though to amass the forces and build out the terrain. It will be months of work.

[@Nortic111]

@@PlayOnTabletop Quite so, I can only image how much there is to put together. Thanks for letting me know!

[@captainflapjax7240]

Ooh new guy!

[@hendrikmoons8218]

It is a competitive game, just not kill all the things all the time as in curent wh40k is. This is an ideal setting for ... CAMPAIGNES! So defenitly my knack of the woods. Picked up a starter box, €240.00 for 54 models + book, also got the legio book, a sprue of heavy weapons and ... I am now off, converting them into Iron Hands. Good luck all, and have tons of fun, I know I'm gonna.

[@yagsipcc287]

Great video I also just watched one of Bb mini painting videos two days ago ha Also I am very intrested in HH have been for nearly 3 years now but it was just to much to get into but now its alot easier, going to put some money away and hopefully be able to get this in a couple of months, I also will be printing off some of Emperor's Children I have from a get creator :-) I like the look and feel of HH as well, I love how they (the players) try to look at it as a historical game, the amour painting just everything is cool.

[@BbMiniatures]

Start small and work at it one unit at a time:) that’s how I approach building an army. Just one at a time, and focus on them to make it what I have envisioned from the start. It’s the best feeling to play with a full legion and everything is dialed in. Worth every minute and the best gaming I’ve ever experienced!

[@yagsipcc287]

@@BbMiniatures I know I have been playing Warhammer on and off since third edition 😋

[@Xanuricus]

Brandon is such a swell guy, good painting skills as well. My question is: I hear a lot about HH requiring a larger army than 40k. How large? Are there combat patrol size games?

[@firedaemon33]

It's complicated. HH armies are generally played at 2.5k instead of 2k is my understanding, but the models are also much more expensive, so actual army size and model counts tend to be smaller, especially as there aren't really horde armies.

[@BbMiniatures]

Cheers mate that’s kind of ya to say 😁. It’s more common to play frontline games at 3k, or do 2.5K so you have to make a choice on the extra toy or two in your list to make the build more interesting. There is however games of ZM (zone mortalis) which is around 1-1.5K that’s all tight corridor fighting to mimic interior and starship boarding actions. Or fan made Centurion which limits tanks and favours more infantry, landspeeders, dreads which is one of my all time favourite ways to play :)

[@Xiphosedoesmc]

Hi team :) nice work as always

[@hossdelgato6098]

Great presentation

[@localdeffdread8102]

lmao i saw dis 9 seconds after it dropped amazing to see da spire boss to be on screen

[@BbMiniatures]

Damn son you’re fast to the trigger!!!

[@BB-pn2qv]

40k isn’t really a competitive game… it’s one of the most power creeped mess I’ve ever seen

[@thebaron2277]

Lol

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

It’s a dumpster fire 😅

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

Invite him back! He was cool!

[@FlourEater]

when you said Prospero... *girly squeak sound*

[@HeWhistlesTunes]

The Guy in the White Hoodie would be Flavor Text Warhammer

[@Hinokassaudifan1]

Apparently I'm part of the world eaters according to the survey they did. So I'm interested.

[@thebaron2277]

I got ultramarines and I am actually going to do them because they are cook in heresy

[@ryanmack99]

I see that Magnus everytime I walk into the club and it makes me want to either kill the Tsons or play the Tsons.

[@juliendebourgogne1828]

Was there ever a burning of prospero game? that would be great!

[@PlayOnTabletop]

There will be. But likely later in the year.

[@Rookblunder]

Hi guys, just checking out a rule and came here to see if anyone can clarify it for me. If a sargeant has a plasma gun and it gets hot. If he fails his armor save, can we transfer that wound to another model ? Thanks for anyone who responds in advance.

[@PlayOnTabletop]

We haven't played as much as we would like. In rules look for the term "model" opposed to unit. If it says model, the Sergeant needs to take it. We play it where the Sergeant would die in this case.

[@Rookblunder]

@@PlayOnTabletop Thanks for the fast response. I just found it too on page 198. I didn't mention it , but I was refering to the SoH terminator tartarus squad and the sargeant is an infantry character so I could allocate the wound to another model according to the Characters and Wound Allocation paragraph on page 198.

[@SHADOWSTRIKE1]

I’d love to see you guys open up a proper merch shop. A few weeks ago I ordered a shirt from your SpringTee shop, and the quality was just not good. Blurry and smudged screen print.

[@PlayOnTabletop]

We are so sorry to hear that! That is very disheartening. We are looking at other options. Email us at [e-mail] and perhaps we can do something to help make it up. We don't have any quality control with Spring and haven't heard complaints yet so hopefully it is not a regular occurence.

[@SHADOWSTRIKE1]

@@PlayOnTabletop Don’t sweat it, my overall goal was to help out the channel by picking up some merch, so that’s what really matters. Things from Spring are always hit or miss, not your guys’ fault. I’d just love to see you guys partner with a new vendor sometime.

[@tonydiazist]

Can someone explain what is hourus heresy is??? I'm brand new to Warhammer. I understand is a different game but are the models cross playable??

[@PlayOnTabletop]

The Horus Heresy is the story that comes before the current Warhammer 40,000. Some models are cross playable as those units have survived that long.

[@masonmerris2711]

I would like to see the burning of prosperity game

[@Anyway99973]

Horus heresy is fun and all but when are you guys gonna do more sw:legion and conquest:tlaok content.

[@PlayOnTabletop]

We have a Conquest game coming soon! We have shot two more games of Legion and they are in the editor's queue.

[@Anyway99973]

@@PlayOnTabletop Awsome. Thank you for the great content.

[@ScholarofProspero]

I would love a burning of prospero Game

[@PlayOnTabletop]

That’s the plan!

[@jimi1701a]

How long are the space wolves you guys did gonna b at warhammer world? Heading there soon and would love to see them in person. 🤟

[@PlayOnTabletop]

Sorry! We just received them back last Monday.

[@jimi1701a]

@@PlayOnTabletop aw well. They still look glorious lol.

[@Dennis3113]

Already ordered 3 Boxes

[@PlayOnTabletop]

Sounds like you'll have a bigger Legion than us!

[@Dennis3113]

@@PlayOnTabletop Well i play Iron Warriors and still have 150 mark 3 and 4 Marines but wanted this slightly bigger ones for my Hammer of Olympia Detachment i generaly field 100 Tacticals whose advance been Supported by Contemptor Dreadnoughts with Melta Lascannons Makes for truly Epic Scenes bit i advice too take Apothecarys or Chaplains to make them not run away all of a sudden.

[@Priesthaxxor]

Every time nick says Horus Heresy all I hear is horse heresy which is bringing up some weird mental images

[@knowbody223]

If all people were always interessted, why didn't everyone just go ahead and play it? It's been available for the last 10 years ....

[@c3ramics]

I’m a new 40k fan and was fully intent going Horus heresy for my first army. This was before HH 2.0 announcement. I prefer 30k lore since that’s where I started the books. That said, even though HH isn’t only SM, most people don’t like that HH is pretty much all SM.

[@joshuagraham5422]

It's just a phrase most of the times

[@BbMiniatures]

Sometimes it just takes a single individual to just commit and start collecting a legion. I hope the drive to a LOT more plastics will make the barrier entry much easier than a sea of resin that can make others shy away.

[@SHADOWSTRIKE1]

@@c3ramics yeah that was always a big factor holding me back… I find SM vs SM fights boring, and the game was essentially “want to make a large investment in another game system that is the least interesting matchups of 40K?” and I just couldn’t do it. If I’m dropping thousands of dollars into a tabletop game, I want to have as much variety as I can get.

[@c3ramics]

@@SHADOWSTRIKE1 haha exactly the dilemma that I dealt with. Still bought a betrayal at Calth set. I will plan to make my army one that I can double for 40k. Someone did Luna wolves to White Scars. Lot more variety with SM chapters so will see what I come up with.

[@cmcmillan22]

wait yall in vancouver??

[@PlayOnTabletop]

Lower Mainland, yes.

[@cmcmillan22]

@@PlayOnTabletop very cool, I’m in Victoria had no idea

[@AnnieAturday]

the only thing I wish they had added was primaries closer to how they are now. I definitely like 9th primary objectives more, while I liked most of the rest of 7th.

[@Alex-bc3gz]

The absence of them is the main reason I'm switching to HH from 40k

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

The random arbitrary objectives in 40k are one of the worst things about it imo

[@kuskoelunico1]

Wow I kinda like this more than horus heresy

[@kuskoelunico1]

Sorry more than warhammer 40k my bad

[@KaleNordyke]

Vancouver WA or Vancouver Canada? Just curious because I live near one of the 2.

[@PlayOnTabletop]

Canada.

[@bobbytank4947]

Is this battle report still going to happen?

[@ep1phany62]

Competitive 40k ha turned the game into chess. I hope the next edition has proper rules for competitive play, as well as rule for narrative players.

[@putthebunnybackinthebox9524]

How so? Chess is far more balanced than 40k. 40k became pay to win.

[@hmad898]

@@putthebunnybackinthebox9524 i really want to say youre wrong but you arent and im just biased because i play the game.

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

40k tuned into a arbitrary, randomised dumpster fire that can only be understood by rules lawyers

[@chrismcguinness5405]

Van Heresy is strong. Brennan has been a huge factor in that! And remember kiddies!!! Painted armies are for closer's!

[@cadderley100]

WTF is that big white thing in the corner of the display case? Is that Tau? I have a question regarding Horus Heresy models. Can Horus Heresy models be used in regular 40K? Basically, I want to combine 2 boxes of the new Leviathan boxed set, with 1 box of Horus Heresy box set and merge them all into one large Iron Hands army. I just don't know if it's game legal?

[@Ahriman13]

Looks like the FW Tau model. It's basically their version of a titan

[@Jaberin0]

Hey guys, love your videos. You guys are the reason I’m getting into 40k atm. I was looking at the Horus heresy box, does it have any use for 40k?

[@PlayOnTabletop]

Most of the units have equivalent rules for play in 40K. The Legion Tactical Squads can be 40K Tactical Squads. The Praetors can be proxied as captains. The Dreadnought and tank have 40K rules too.

[@Kamyen316]

What is the reason heresy and 40k have different general ruling.. I miss the armor value/firing points on the vehicles. Also the templates were great. Then again the blast rule is good and I think better overall since you can't spread your units in a cheesy way to avoid max dmg on the templates

[@jimmybobby4824]

The exact opposite you can bunch all your guys together in a cheese star

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

I don’t understand the reasoning but all I know is that HH 2.0 rules are far superior to 9th Ed rules

[@roberttanguay8532]

Hours Heresy is just 7th edition 40k with a couple rule tweaks

[@Jezza_One]

Exactly. If they had butchered it that would have alienated all the existing players.

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

Yeah and that’s literally the best framework they could have used

[@primarisgainssbbg3038]

So it sounds like we are playing 3rd thru 5th edition? With some variation of coursee.

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

The best editions, until now of course! 😍

[@marcwittkowski5146]

Nice! I follow bb on Instagram. Nice to see him here.

[@BbMiniatures]

Hey much love mate! It’s always a tickle to see yourself on the KZbin’s :p

[@niceasmd9890]

Vancouver WA or Vancouver BC?

[@PlayOnTabletop]

Bc

[@niceasmd9890]

@@PlayOnTabletop awesome - love your content - glad to hear you're local!

[@HeWhistlesTunes]

The future of Warhammer, I see the vision however it would be a New Box Set which would be too soon to announce.

[@raphwalker9123]

Horus Heresy is cool

[@HeWhistlesTunes]

Animation Studio as in Recording Warhammer Tabletops

[@HeWhistlesTunes]

You wouldn’t want to split from Warhammer. The packaging is too minor to add into Warhammer. It’ll have to be on Flavor Texts.

[@throughtherealmgate2239]

So when do we get 30k in 30 minutes?

[@PlayOnTabletop]

Already did one. Did you miss it?

[@throughtherealmgate2239]

@@PlayOnTabletop must have, damn, well I know what I'm watching tomorrow

[@sarge5431]

He did nothing wrong until magnus didnt talk with leman and leman had no choice but to follow orders

[@TheHAZMAT221]

Any heresy content coming down the pipeline?

[@PlayOnTabletop]

We have plans for some big horus heresy projects in the spring. We have been gearing up from basically nothing to start doing games of it.

[@TheHAZMAT221]

@@PlayOnTabletopalas

[@joshuasmith5472]

Vancouver WA? Or Vancouver BC?

[@PlayOnTabletop]

Bc.

[@joshuasmith5472]

@@PlayOnTabletop wow!! I'm 4hrs away!!

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

HERESY

[@timostegemann9738]

🥳

[@Ahriman13]

Feels like what 8th edition should've been instead of completely revamping the system

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

HH rules > 40k rules

[@HeWhistlesTunes]

Resorts. Not traveling to a Resort. An Employee Crash. No One Wants to work at a Resort

[@jmfrrs87]

Horus heresy 7th Ed looks really good

[@Son0fAggression]

even though i can't share the hype for this imo horrendous game, the production and pure style of the videos still makes me watch them every time.

[@seank3682]

Did they fuck this up, no sound

[@PlayOnTabletop]

Strange. No indication that there is no sound

[@HeWhistlesTunes]

The real problem is that you would be an Animation Studio to Warhammer40k

[@wgwg8536]

Oh I hate thousand Sons they did everything wrong 😑 And your minis are well painted.

[@markhanson9508]

Makes me sad that your interactions with HH have been so positive and mine so negative. Toxic, crusty gatekeepers who love calling eachother brother. It quickly earned the title incel-hammer. Hopefully the second edition expands the community enough that others don't have to bounce as hard as I did.

[@PlayOnTabletop]

Sorry to hear that you have had a negative experience. We don't understand gatekeeping. There may be differing opinions on what constitutes a fun time at the table and how hard one wants to play, or how narrative, but ultimately we are all just trying to have fun since it is a game. Hope there are good experiences ahead for you!

[@markhanson9508]

@@PlayOnTabletop couldn't agree more. And as I said I'm jealous of your first impressions.

[@BbMiniatures]

Damn that’s awful to hear mate. I hope you find a good group or better yet, find passion in a legion you want to build, paint it up and lead by example! Sometimes it just takes a good person to start and others will follow the example. The Heresy has given me my best gaming years and even better friends and experiences to come. I hope it finds you in that way too ✌️❤️🙏

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

@@PlayOnTabletop playing hard and playing narrative aren’t mutually exclusive 😅

[@malakingbutanding]

Magnus f'd up. He did everything wrong (for the right reason) but doesnt matter... the means does not justify the end (I do realize this is a 1 year vid but t cam up on my feed now so sue me) :D

[@piotrjeske4599]

Nice models , okey rules, too expensive for me to play.

[@Jezza_One]

Just use 40k units you dont even have to proxy units. There is a video on YT showing all the 40k units thst are valid in the Heresy setting.

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

HH rules are far superior to 40k 😅

[@Klerik131]

Look, I know the community is mainly narrative, hell, I've been part of the community, I understand, but to say its not meant to be a competitive game when it uses the rules for 7th ed, which was a competitive game, is pretty disingenuous. It IS a competitive game and people CHOOSE to play it non competitively and players should be able to play it however they and their friends choose to. It's fine to play narratively and its fine to play competitively, but when you come out and say "this is a narrative game", you're telling people that just want to paint some dudes and play hard with their friends that they are playing it wrong.

[@BbMiniatures]

You’re correct, it is a game and has competitive elements in there with win conditions and such. It’s all from perspective, and in the case of myself I don’t view any tabletop game as a good candidate to play in that manner. Or it can also be viewed as where the placement and emphasis on being competitive is. A common narrative in Heresy is to build an army that focuses on the military organization and to utilize it to win the objective. Not to sacrifice the lore in favour of more hard number stats and synergies that prioritize the game mechanic before the world building mechanic. You are free to play however you like and if it’s competitive as you like! Remember this video is a reaction and opinionated piece about the game. Just from a different angle to yours :) I hope your still playing games set in the Horus Heresy and having fun with the hobby ✌️❤️🙏

[@Klerik131]

@@BbMiniatures I definitely understand that, my issue isn't people that WANT to play narrative or WANT to play competitive, or people like yourself and other youtubers that make videos promoting narrative play or competitive play. The problem is when people state "this is a narrative game", its calling the people that want to play it the other way wrong. I think it's fine to let people know that many people that have a history of playing the game play it narratively and new players have to be prepared for that, but stating you can only play it one kind of way only serves to gatekeep players that just want to play with their toys. And please, don't get me wrong, I'm not "calling you out" or anything like that, you are definitely not the only one that's saying this, I just want to open the conversation so we can let people know its ok if you want to play competitively. There's already too much gatekeeping in the hobby and we shouldn't be working to add more.

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

@@Klerik131 to be fair it wasn’t BB that said it wasn’t a “competitive” rule set it was the other guy. BB actually pushed back on that a bit too, which I appreciated. Personally I think that less arbitrary randomisation (running, who strikes first in combat etc) and rules bloat makes the game both more competitive and more immersive/fun

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

Yup. I don't want to play Horus Heresy. I hate templates and facings. I'll stick to Kill Team 2018 and AoS.

[@HeWhistlesTunes]

Basically what I’ve been picking up on is that there is a Feud. Warhammer White Unity vs ARK: Survival Latino. It’s really a clash in TWO SOCIAL Understandings

[@jdcrosier2682]

You know what might be interesting, bringing more zenos into the Hersey. T’au could be a horde army of cavemen, and genestealer cults could be a subtle omen of what is to come.

[@theawsomegodsause]

put da orks in

[@rolldamnhawkeyes3255]

Tau didn’t exist for another 4,000 years

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

Genestealer cults, orks, eldar and guard should all be in 30k

[@Importman2009]

I would just like to say: Magnus did nothing wrong.

[@ДмитрийМолоканов-з7ш]

Apparently the Thousand Sons player did not discover new rules for psychic powers.They are complete sh*t. They can no longer affect the game in any way as it was before.

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

They’re just a bit more balanced/less OP

[@theezekarion164]

Horus did nothing wrong. Magnus did everything wrong.

[@HeWhistlesTunes]

The Biggest Crash that I’m anticipating is The Resorts. Resort Business