Playseat Challenge Stiffening Reinforcement Mods (Indigo Lime)

[@Nito-xf5yd]

The plate mod looks really nice. How are you mounting the CSL DD on without flipping the plate around though? Do you only use 2 bolts? How effective is the pivot-bracing mod? Doesn't seem to do much more than adding extra thickness? Great content!

[@PaultheSimRacer]

Yup only 2 bolts (my friend also has the CSW 2.5 with only 2 bolts too). As long as they're done up tight it's completely fine. Pivot bracing mod took a lot of slack out of my rather aged playseat challenge, it was less noticeable on my friends newer one. The good thing with it's design is it can be re tightened if you ever notice slack coming in again.

[@Nito-xf5yd]

@@PaultheSimRacer Yeah I guess the slight play in the chair might dampen the strain on the two bolts. Would remove my potential headache with it being too far forwards or backwards if I only need to worry about aligning two bolts. Do you have a exact measure of the m6 bolts you use for tightening the base? I read that the 20mm ones that come with the Playseat is too long. Will 15mm do or is it too long also? Thanks!

[@PaultheSimRacer]

@@Nito-xf5yd I'm using the standard bolts that came with playseat challenge (as is my friend). Seems totally fine - I've used only 2 bolts for years with no issues. As you say, otherwise it all ends up too far forward / back. Note I never flipped the plate over, it's still the original direction - just pushed back to the furthest back setting and then the wheel bolted to the sensible spot (where the quick release just passes the front of the plate)

[@XJR15ftw]

@@PaultheSimRacer I wonder if only two bolts would also be fine for a DD1... since it's all flat on a plate, one would think it doesn't really need the triangle shape bolt pattern (given also that I won't be running it at 100%). I want to do it just to avoid drilling, hope I don't end up snapping it off lol

[@PaultheSimRacer]

@@XJR15ftw Let me know how you get on - I'm tempted to upgrade to a dd1 :D

[@colinlaliberte470]

bought the full set of enhancements after watching this video… this is a game changer that i did not know i needed. the added stiffness to the wheel and wheel based (i think mostly coming from the double cylinder additions to wheel base support). huge thanks !!

[@PaultheSimRacer]

Yeah it's great stuff.

[@desistyle3]

What does less flex actually mean for the detail you feel in the wheel?

[@colinlaliberte470]

@@desistyle3 everything is more stiff. A dumb example would be a none fully screwed chair, you can still sit on it and it works, but you feel that its a tiny bit shaky vs fully screwed, there is no other movement that your input. This is what was happening with my wheel base. Try to lightly shake your wheel base while siting in your playseat, you will see there is a little ''flex'' that makes it move, but for precise racing games those small delay or imperfection is impacting your overall accuracy. Thats what i meant by i did not know i needed it, because i did not know it was that big of a factor!

[@adambuzzeo]

Lowdown shifters makes a plate stiffening mod that is an absolute dream. High quality metal parts. This seems like it may wear and loosed over time due to the nature of 3d printed materials. But it does seem to work well in the video. Thanks for sharing mate!

[@PaultheSimRacer]

It's interesting - I wasn't originally aware of that. I've used Low Down Shifter parts in the past and they are great.

[@joshuafallet5690]

Thanks for this video. I was really worried I made a bad mistake when I upgraded from a g27 on the floor and my wobbly desk. Now i upgraded to a logitech dd wheel and grabbed the logitech × playseat challenge. But as soon as had it installed, itwas horribly wobbly without even turning it on. I'm so thankful there's a solution.

[@mikescott1050]

If you guys are looking for something that braces your wheel plate in whatever position you want without losing any leg room I’d strongly suggest Lowdown Shifter’s brace. It’s a great piece, made of metal, it’s very quality made and it works. He also has a pedal chassis connector that works great. Customer service is awesome as well. I’m very tall so I need all the leg room I can. This sacrifices no leg room whatsoever. I’ve outfitted my rig with a whole bunch of his bits and I’m super impressed with it all. He’s working on that steering arm pivot brace right now. I can guarantee you it will not be 3d printed plastic. My two cents 👍

[@myGamebox47]

Man, this will solve alot of future issues because I'm getting soon the new csl elite pedals and I need everything secure and tight, thanks man.

[@eagletrippin]

This video literally could not have come any later after the fact for me, lol -- one day earlier I chose to update my rig. Great video, though --- the wheel plate reinforcement is what I was interested in getting, and it looks promising ...

[@Kozi03]

Holy freaking crap man, this could be life changing!

[@MrTpimms]

Just the vid I needed. Been looking all over for parts, especially for pedals and seeing them in use is spot on! New sub incoming!

[@PaultheSimRacer]

Awesome, thank you!

[@Gemsou]

@@PaultheSimRacer Same for me, stop playing since 1 year because of my seat lift up when i breaking.. maybe this will change my life.. can you tell me how many kg you put on your brake pedal ? thx buddy.

[@noliyoshida7486]

Fantastic. I ended up making an entire wooden floor for the pedals that goes under the seat. And I use a reversed clamp for the wheel plate. The reinforcement for the pivot seems like an absolute must... When I have spare money

[@AndrewTSq]

thats a good solution I think :)

[@syko846]

What's up man, ordered some of these parts after watching your video a couple weeks ago. Got everything mounted with my CSL DD, works as expected. Only got the wheel plate arms and the pedal tray reinforcement bracket, that alone made a huge difference. Thanks!

[@PaultheSimRacer]

Awesome - glad to hear it worked well.

[@RonnRacing]

Thanks for this vid. I have ordered from a different shop but looks the same. Looks very promising! Thanks again

[@lia01reg]

Oh nice @paulthesimracer. This is much better. Don't have to climb in and out like I do!

[@buddhapest]

thanks for this video and the complete explanations!

[@giogamer4825]

Great and informative video!! Thanks for this! You will help allot with the same Playseat Challenge issue 👍 I am waiting for a Ps5 CSL DD base, so i can experience it and see what mod i need for my taste! I did not know that your previous KZbin video with the first strenght mod i bought years ago, was based on your video 😁👍

[@wengholio]

Great vid! I just got mine yesterday and already knew the lift off issue when braking so good to know there is a mod to remedy it!

[@PaultheSimRacer]

Glad it helped!

[@TheGrimeyVibes]

How is the lift off issue after using it for a few months?

[@ringmasterblaze]

I read the thumbnail as Playseat Sniffing lol

[@Zyke_iLLest]

Dyslexia is one hell of a drug

[@mraprilia1994]

Great video, I’m going to get a kit for my play seat now. Can I ask if these mods make it more difficult to fold the seat when packing away?

[@AndrewTSq]

Have the same setup, but my doesnt flex as much. Good to see you could make it better anyway. I use mine with the Fanatec CSL DD wheel and pedals. (I am getting the loadcell soon, so I am a bit worried about the future :D

[@fataldragon69]

Great video, all these upgrades are quality and actually work without compromising the way the playseat functions, but after reinforcing all those vulnerable parts, there's one area that you didn't address so I've got to ask..... What about the Red Plastic Locking Nuts that allow us to adjust / move the peddles forwards and back depending on how long your legs are.....Is there an upgrade for the Red Locking Nuts as the plastic ones can break and don't always hold the peddles tight enough and sometimes slide forwards when breaking hard !?!? Thanks in Advance for Any Help / Info !!

[@martinl2494]

I have the exact same problem, which the pedal clamps from indigo lime cannot fix. I am using the T3PA Pro with loadcell mod. When I brake hard the red plastic lock nuts comes loose and the whole pedal slide forwards as you said 🥲

[@SFwheelman]

I need this for my next level racing GT Lite cockpit.

[@0woodbridger0]

Just bought the plate reinforcement for the clubsport dd+ coming, hope it holds!! There's the playseat x now to that's stronger, I wonder if the Indigo parts work on that...

[@baileyboi7820]

Great video again but when you going to come race for the team,ZAk said you're needed lol

[@huib9785]

How much resistance are you running on your sprints? I just got my sprints (already had the mods prior) and I’m interested in how stiff you can run the elastomers without having it move about too much. Great video btw, made me get the mods in the first place!

[@mike_33gt]

Are still you happy with the rig? And big thanks, man, your videos answered all my questions with regards to the seat and the wheel base.

[@PaultheSimRacer]

Yup still using it!

[@joelriva5424]

Can you still fold the seat completely?

[@CharlesK441]

Just as I was gonna get rid of mine. Cheers 🍻

[@reallovvi]

With the wheel plate stiffening mod, are you still able to fold the chair up?

[@Roaming50]

Being 3d printed, I'm curious as to how these held up?

[@iLoGiKZ]

Do you think this would be compatible with the X version of the Playseat Challenge? Thank you for the excellent video!

[@JamesLangevinMusic]

Hi there, awesome video. I have the tray support bracket and it's an great my csl dd. I didn't know about some of the other mods from them. I'm wondering if the csl pedal mods will fit the new csl pedals or are they just meant for the old ones.

[@markbagnall8928]

Hi James, I’m Mark the designer of these - the new csl pedals need specific clamps which I am working on. Will be available in the new year.

[@JamesLangevinMusic]

@@markbagnall8928 that's fanatastic Mark. I'll be on the lookout for this. Cheers and happy holidays.

[@wsra.racing]

Check out our CSL-DD mount to SOLVE the mounting issue with Playseat Challenge. If you want your CSL-DD center-mounted :) www.wsra.club/product-page/CSL-DD-universal-mount-WSRA Cheers!

[@slippin_jimmy]

Thanks for the video. I'm wondering now with these mods if I could get away with a Simucube 2 Pro wheelbase. Obviously I could turn the FFB down a little if it's too strong, but at 11 KG the wheelbase might be too heavy. Still very tempted.

[@PaultheSimRacer]

I'd love to try one (or a DD1) ... I'll be honest, with the mods and the FFB turned down a bit - I think it'd definitely work on a playseat challenge. I'm going to do a video in the future about CSL DD on playseat - even before the mods it actually worked okay really. The back and forth movement isn't as bad / noticable when driving - but the mods have certainly just improved it that additional level.

[@markbagnall8928]

Hi, this is Mark - I designed all the Indigo Lime parts that Paul bought for this review. I originally designed the braces for the wheel plate for a racer who uses a Fanatec DD1 - that is a similar weight (I can only find the packaged weight at 13kg) to the Simucube, and it worked well for him.

[@slippin_jimmy]

@@markbagnall8928 Thanks for that info. I think the unpacked weight of the DD1 is about 7.4kg, but that's still quite heavy. I expect the Simucube 2 Pro could still be usable with the mods. The lighter 17nm Simucube 2 Sport is also an option.

[@slippin_jimmy]

@@PaultheSimRacer Yeah that will be interesting to see. Makes me wonder how far a modded PSC can go.

[@lindvi0r]

I might have missed it in the video but does the reinforced parts allow the chair to still fold easily?

[@emilianomontanari283]

is it still foldable? And the wieight?

[@gregoryj99]

Thanks for the video, looks like a great option. Does everything still fold up after all those mods?

[@PaultheSimRacer]

Yup - the footage of it folded up at the start of the video actually shows the parts fitted to the rig. Still folds up fine.

[@gregoryj99]

@@PaultheSimRacer I guess I missed that image, thanks for the reply

[@Time4utube]

THANK YOU

[@Ruskieit]

I found a very similar mod (to the wheel plate reinforcement) on Etsy Germany, the two differences are it costs only 22€ plus shipping (8.5€ to Italy) and it has knobs instead of screws to tighten it, so it is much handier... I think it is more effective than this one

[@StevoF1]

could you make an extra video about the heusinkveld in use with the playseat? I think about buying this too…

[@PaultheSimRacer]

Will have to do one in the future.

[@emilianomontanari283]

I have to install a fanatec Gt DD pro steering wheel on the Playseat Challenge and therefore I had to turn the support for the steering wheel front back. Is it possible to use the rinforcement for the wheel in this position? so I have to unscrew two bolts every time I put the chair away and screw everything back together when I use it?

[@DAC131125]

Quick question about how the playseat behaves under breaking. Do you notice any significant lift in the chair? I’ve seen this mentioned before but always thought it would depend on how much you push down on the break rather than push forward, if that makes sense?

[@jonsparks1776]

Yes, with loadcell brakes. I started with a G920 and didn't have a significant problem with it. But when I upgraded to CSL Elite LC, the lifting became more problematic.

[@markbagnall8928]

Most of our customers don’t have lifting. I have tested to see why. It depends on rig setup and how the driver brakes. I don’t have any lifting with T-LCMs but I can make it lift by pushing back with my shoulders when braking. If I just use my legs and don’t tense my body the force goes to the seat through my bum - no lifting.

[@PaultheSimRacer]

I don't have lifting with the parts I've fitted.

[@lorisbertazzi1361]

Great video but i have a question. The pedal mod ( support ) Is compatibile with csl pedals? Thanks

[@PaultheSimRacer]

I think they have another one for CSL pedals - check their site.

[@lorisbertazzi1361]

Ok thanks 👍🏻

[@christian7496]

What about putting a weight (like a pack of 6 bottles of water) on the part that connects the seat to the pedal tray in order to prevent the seat from lifting up under heavy braking? Do you think it could work?

[@jonsparks1776]

I do that. I have a 45 lb barbell plate that I lay over the top of that joint and it helps enormously.

[@vivianiandrea94]

Hi! Can u show all your Sim simulator? Ty!

[@rover1374]

Has anyone from Australia used these (or similar)? I’m tossing up between a Playseat Challenge and a. GT Lite. The Challenge looks better but the GT has a proper angled pedal mount and reinforcements to not lift with braking. Thanks for the video. To have all these mods sent to Australia from their eBay store is $300+. The challenge is already $400 here so that’s $700+ all up. Just seems like a lot 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@PradeepBharadhwaj7]

Interested to know what you ended up doing. Similar dilemma, have the playseat challenge but 300+ to have the mods shipped to AU from eBay. Think I’m going to bite the bullet though

[@rover1374]

@@PradeepBharadhwaj7 hey mate, so I bought the challenge and put some loadcells on and immediately looked for mods. As you know it would have been around $300 to make it reasonably sturdy… so I actually sold it and bought the Playseat Trophy while it was on sale for $798. I could have had a modded Challenge for $600ish or the Trophy for $800. Trophy is miles ahead in terms of rigidity and can mount and handle many different pedal sets. It can handle direct drives and what not too and has many adjustments for pedal height and angles and is way more comfortable. I stopped folding the challenge up and was just sliding it to the side - which I can do with the Trophy as well as it’s really light and takes up the same foot print. It’s actually easier to slide to the side than the Challenge. If you have the space, I strongly advise to just get something more sturdy from the get go. You are already looking at mods so it’s something you will likely need. If you do need to fold it up though, the mods on a Challenge aren’t too bad. I was looking at the pedal tray and clips from Lowdown Shifter.

[@Akkulader]

Is it still as foldable as before?

[@UniQue1992]

Can you use this mod combined with the CSL DD? Because to mount the CSL DD you had to swap the plate around.

[@UniQue1992]

I just found out, yes you can use it with CSL DD, even if you use 3 screws and swapped the plate around.

[@gostfalcon]

Does this work for the similar next level racing lite cockpit?

[@marcf9980]

Is this necessary for g29's as well or its only for people using DD for the playseat? Thanks in advance!

[@exci6198]

How does your front seat leg stay on the ground? Even with just 25kg of force with my sprints, mine just lifts off and unless I put some weight on it I don't see how that can be fixed.

[@PaultheSimRacer]

The parts I fitted stop it lifting.

[@wailers.]

Hello where did you buy black parts? Thank you very much

[@gothops154]

Do they have stuff like this made in the US/North America? Seems like everything I find is made in the UK, which is just a hassle to ship and then you get the foreign exchange fees

[@decoeflavianews]

Are still able to fold the chair after installing this kit?

[@PaultheSimRacer]

yup

[@roadrunner1095]

For that money you can almost buy a 3d printer and print them yourself 😆

[@KAJJTAN]

Anyone considering buying that stuff, do not. The bundle is like 130$, for that amount you can get a 3d printer and plastic needed, and print the stuff yourself, hardware might cost you an extra 10$. There are similar or even better designs online for free, except for the pedal hinges, but that one I might copy and upload for free at some point, since I have my own design, but this one seems a bit sleeker. P.S. Ender 3 printer goes new as low as 99$ but usually it's around 150$, so keep that in mind, also used ones are sometimes overpriced, cause they have some useless upgrades, so consider just getting a new one, newest ender 3v2 is about 200$, better looking, prints the same as an original, so get the cheapest you find, do not get anything used than a Creality, cause they usually suck or are 10 years old printers. And when you have your own printer you can print even more upgrades for playseat than there is on the video, for a cost of a plastic, it doesnt take that much electricity.

[@PaultheSimRacer]

Good for people who want to do that - but I was happy with the price / happy with the quality.

[@Maholain]

How much brake force are you using on the Heusinkveld pedals?

[@PaultheSimRacer]

50kg

[@wrxsti22b]

I went to see the website they don't ship to Asia.

[@markbagnall8928]

We have shipped to many customers in Asia - if you email the website with your country we should be able to add it - Mark the designer

[@petervbussel1552]

i want to post a foto of my challange mod (only dd1 on the plate, not the paddels). how can i do that?

[@RockinRob1972]

Part of the reason why you had wobble to is because you had that expensive 15 lb direct drive wheel sitting on it it's not made for that.

[@serdarcizgen306]

hi what is the pipe diameter

[@chinchin9127]

Do they have any clamps to attach the new csl pedals with lc. The elite pedals are going end of life.

[@markbagnall8928]

As soon as I have the csl with load cell I will be testing clamps - parts should be available by February, Mark (the designer)

[@gabestempher6963]

is it possible to download or buy the .stl files to print them myself?

[@SC_46]

Its an improvement but the wheel base is still all over the joint, ill stick with the Trophy.

[@MiPDarnok]

Are you using a booster kit?

[@PaultheSimRacer]

yup booster kit 8nm

[@MiPDarnok]

@@PaultheSimRacer Thanks for the reply! Btw tip for you and people who wonder if playseat challenge is gonna have a revision. I've asked Playseat about their new chair - playseat trophy. It kinda looks like foldable, but the've told me it's not. But it can be detached into 2 parts which is not as convienent but should do the trick for some. As I am planning to switch to CSL DD next year, I was looking for foldable solution that can stand this. From what I see, I've just found it. This movie was very helpfull to me, thanks!

[@PaultheSimRacer]

@@MiPDarnok Oh wow - I didn't even realise they were releasing that ... just watching a video now about it. Could be good if it splits into seperate sections you can store. My rig mostly stays out now so it's only on occasion I fold it away.

[@PaultheSimRacer]

@@MiPDarnok quite expensive for what it is - I'd be interested at how stable it really is too.

[@MiPDarnok]

@@PaultheSimRacer Yeah exactly. It's more expensive than playseat challenge, but when I've added mods into calculation - prices become more comparable. I will wait for someone to test this new rig, hopefully they will address this topic. If it's not as cool as it seems, I will stick with challenge + mods

[@Wyd4]

No postage to Australia :(

[@markbagnall8928]

Hi - Mark the designer - we do sell to Australia via our eBay shop. I can't put a link here but there are links on our website. Any problems with the product you want please message us.

[@Wyd4]

@@markbagnall8928 wow great news and thank you for the response. Will they be bundled and discounted per the website? Never mind I will check it out shortly. Thanks again!

[@colinlaliberte470]

@@markbagnall8928 Hello Mark, would this also be available in Canada?

[@colinlaliberte470]

Nevermind! Im a grown boy, just tried it on Ebay for Canada and it works :) Looking forward to drive with it!

[@SFwheelman]

Too bad there isn't anything like this for my Next Level Racing GT Lite rig.

[@simracerjoe]

Any coupon codes?

[@OzWasTaken]

you and the company that makes this product said that they "ship worldwide". but the wont ship to iceland (my country). really disappointed...

[@fingergoat1810]

£100+ for the full kit..

[@liamm32]

These look very good, but overpriced.

[@kevinpeters9283]

If you take out all the play, wouldn't you just end up with a seat? padumm....

[@n9ne]

that's ridiculous. $200 chair + $100 reinforcement parts. just buy a gt omega rs6 no seat for $200 and a second hand seat for $50 i get that you don't have space but i think most people do lol