OG Playseat Challenge VS Playseat Challenge X Logitech G Edition

[@douglasingram8881]

Anyone watching Karl’s video, beware of this product, you think you making a sensible purchase but take heed, listen to my words of wisdom, I cannot warn you enough, that buying a product like this will lead to you falling into the biggest rabbit hole that’s called sim racing that can easily empty your bank account. I started back in 2017 with a playseat challenge, basic wheel and pedals, mid range gaming PC and went off to carve a career in IRacing. 6 years later, I’ve now got a full motion rig, with VR and higher end wheels and pedals costing a fair few pounds. It becomes a real passion. However, I still look back fondly of the early days, the playseat challenge used to stand behind the door, folded, then, deployed in under 2 minutes and off I went racing, so if your new to sim racing, getting into it and your pushed for space, this really is worth your money.

[@BringMeEvidence]

Thanks for the wisdom, duly noted

[@AKCobra1120]

Yeah, it can turn into a money pit for sure, you just gotta have some self discipline. That's why I like Karl's videos, he's not a gear snob. A lot of these guys make you feel like a second class citizen if you're not using a $1500 wheel on a 3k rig. Karl is very down to earth, he understands people have different budgets and requirements, and he does a great job of pointing out the pluses and minuses of something like this without making you feel like a useless fop for buying it. For the record, I have the OG Playseat Challenge, still use it as my main (only actually) racing and flying rig, and have never felt any desire to upgrade. I'm still using a T150 wheel, although I do plan on upgrading to a CSL DD bundle as soon, which I already know works fine with the Playseat Challenge thanks to Karl's videos.

[@richnick1911]

3 things not to be cheap with. 1. Your mattress. 2. Shoes. 3. Racing rig and wheel.

[@silentblackhole]

Would you consider this new Playseat Challenge X cheap or not?

[@richnick1911]

@@silentblackhole cheap is up to the individual who purchased the product or service. For example: Some people buy expensive watches some not. The watch serves its purpose, it tells the time.

[@guidofoc7057]

Thanks for the video! Really helpful, I am a happy owner of a Playseat Challenge and I can now understand exactly where the new model improves over the old one: 1) pedal mount 2) leg room 3) hinge locks instead of velcro 4) larger base for stability when getting in-out. I would definitely consider it the day I get a better pedal set. I would have loved the possibility of adjusting the wheelplate height (you can only rotate it now) which for me would make the base perfect.

[@StefanGenov7]

I am a proud owner of the OG playseat and is solid choice for first gaming chair

[@michaelwhite6461]

Have had the OG playseat challenge for quite some time now, but after seeing a couple of reviews I decided to take the plunge and buy the challenge x today. I almost got all the way through the assembly process and then when trying to clip the pedal tray onto the chair frame base, one of the hooks snapped - it took a great deal of force to push those hooks on (almost all my weight), so I wouldn't think I'm the only one who has experienced this little design flaw. I've sent a message to playseat to see if I can acquire a replacement, but it's such a shame as the rest of the upgrades seem fantastic. It really feels more like a premium piece of kit (both in construction and comfort). Even the one thing which I thought they hadn't solved (the angle of the headrest) is mitigated by the ability to put that top frame piece in backwards to angle to headrest a little further back (better for VR racing in particular :-) ). I know I can get a 3D printed strengthening kit off of Ebay that I could use to replace the hooks, but I would rather keep it all original, and it's a bit crappy that it's snapped on the first day. I dare not remove the one that did survive, in fear of snapping that one as well.

[@lepiakadodo3724]

I has big neck problem with OG challenge. I dont feel comfortable after just 1h playing. Today I was disassemble top part of seat and leave it a bit higher, so my shoulders can fit in. I hope that will help me. Cheers

[@Steve30x]

I have the Playseat actifit. It doesn't have the suede material on it. There's only one thing I would change I'd the angle of the headrest. It's angled too far forward. It pushes my head forward and I get neck pain from it.

[@Eyelash85]

I recently bought the Playseat Challenge OG (Actifit) and I am returning it. The build quality is solid, but as a fellow of 5ft11" and around 100kg, my tights touch the triangular brackets holding the adjustable strips on the side of the chair, which can make long sessions of gaming quite discomfortable. The place where you lay your head is a bit weird as well for taller guys (leaves you with a small gap behind your neck region). Funny enough, my 12 years old nephew really liked it and felt quite comfortable on it. But this is for common use (me and him), I would like something that could be useful for both of us. I will invest in the Playseat Challenge X, though it seems to be out of stock in most places. As it seems, my thights will fit more comfortably in that one.

Mate my Actifit arrived today, I used for 10 minutes and my legs hurts A LOT, exactly where you mentioned: the triangular brackets holding the adjustable strips. It is impossible to use it to be honest! I will start to get everything back into the box and return it, no way I can use it.

[@rboettger]

have the playseat challenge for 3 years and never regret it. Solid buy

[@tawfikbarakat8751]

how tall are you? Will it fit 185cm person?

[@myaccount3485]

Thaaaank you so much for measuring everything!! This helped me sooo much in making my decision as I am limited in space in my living room. Karl, you're the man. Greetings from Tacoma, Washington, u.s.

[@KarlGosling]

Glad I could help!

[@giogamer4825]

Thx for this 👍 Just to help you understand, I have the in between version (Actifit edition) of the Playseat Challenge. That is the one with Actifit, but still with the straps on the side. But also on this Actifit version they did already make some small adjustment, like a special metal ring on each side of the straps so it cannot fall open if the straps are not tight enough. So there is now a total of 3 version of the Playseat Challenge

[@DanielNeuman-i6e]

Thanks for a superb presentation. I wonder if some1 knows if the pedalbracket for thrustmaster TX Leather (Probably same as t300 pedal) fits to this chair. If not is there brackets or other solution for those pedals in this chair.

[@nsignific]

Just got done racing on the older model Challenge. It works just fine, still. I'm 191cm / 100 kg and I have no issues. I do have a Trophy in the mail, but just because this thing isn't really strong enough for my new DD wheel. Would still recommend either Playseat Challenge for an entry level G29/G920 style setup.

[@alejandroguerrero5672]

There's no problem with the pedals if u push them ?

[@hayscthomp123]

I bought the playseat challenge acti fit on amazon in March of this year, and I can confirm it is the acti fit material. Idk why they haven't updated the picture.

[@LawtJay]

Came here to say this. My OG play seat challenge is the actifit and the material matches that on the X.

[@RTRT-de8vz]

Brilliant comparison review can you or anyone please tell me the overall length with everything set up don’t no if it would fit between my tv unit and couch .

[@IAmTheGlovenor]

Can't wait for a Challenge X vs GT Lite Pro video 👌

[@chrismlyle]

Advice needed! You’ve tested them all. Don’t plan to fold away much just move them around and don’t want a bulky rig not enough room. I’m between Playseat X and the NLR 2.0 stand. Apex felt cheap and came broken. NLR 2.0 came missing pieces but the quality was amazing. I have a good office chair for a stand but no angle adjustment. Since NLR 2.0 and Playseat X are similar price which one do you recommend?

[@jakehiggins5118]

I personally had an og playseat challenge at first and then decided to buy the nlr wheelstand 2.0, and I like the wheel stand much much better. I mainly got it because I'm planning on getting the seat attachment later on. The playseat wasn't very comfortable for me and I couldn't get the wheel to sit where I wanted because the only adjustment you have is tilt. The wheel stand is much more adjustable and MUCH more stable. Basically zero movement in the wheel deck and pedal deck. The biggest downside is the wheel stand is very heavy. Not a problem for me since I just leave it set up next to my desk but if you need to be able to fold it away then maybe the playseat x would be the better choice. I wouldn't want to have to fold away my wheel stand and set it every time I wanted to race.

[@storyman34]

We have a Logitech G Pro DD wheel and new RS track wheel and love it..... but we have it mounted to a GT Omega ART cockpit with added steering stabilizer support bars and it works perfectly for us.(Thanks Karl for the review this ART cockpit ,part of the reason we bought it.) The Playseat and Logi edition looks like a zero-gravity patio lounge chair. Logitech should never recommend that thing for DD Pro wheel base.

[@austintayloradt]

How did you direct mount the Logitech pedals to OG Playseat Challenge?

[@KarlGosling]

Using the four bolt holes in the pedals with log M6 bolts and penny washers.

[@austintayloradt]

​@KarlGosling and just drilled holes through the arms of the playseat? My pedals are arriving today, don't have the playseat ordered yet

[@hansihinterseher8543]

Thanks for the nice review! Can someone tell me if Thrustmaster 300 or Fanatac DD Pro Pedals do fit on the Challenge X?

[@hansihinterseher8543]

I tried it, and the Fanatec pedals do not fit out of the box. You can make them fit with some screws + the metal bar for the shifter, but still not the better way of doing it. Thrustmaster 300 GT pedals fit.

[@desistyle3]

So I’m confused. Which pedals are compatible? I can’t find a single manual/image that shows the bolt patterns online anywhere

[@martinundesser5158]

I need to know this too.. I need to attach T3PA pedals on Challenge X

[@desistyle3]

On Karl’s other video a comment says the t3pm pedals work, so assuming the mounting holes of t3pm/t3pa are the same, it should work.

[@MarcRCAddict]

I am getting my delivered in a week so I will let you know and show you.👍

[@MarcRCAddict]

@@martinundesser5158 I am getting my delivered in a week so I will let you know and show you.👍

[@martinundesser5158]

@@MarcRCAddictThank you! I already bought it and put it together. Works great!

[@RDR1456]

You're locked in the room mate!

[@nalong55]

How much weight can it hold? I’m 6’1” 250 pounds

[@blamasterk]

Can someone confirm the CSL pedals fit on the X's brackets?

[@hansihinterseher8543]

would like to know as well

[@MPPLAY-MPPLAY]

no

[@wintertorrent]

Will the shifter and handbrake mount mods you did on the original playseat challenge work the same on the challenge x?

[@crkvend]

Karl, would it be safe to assume that that the pedal mount (the whole assembly) would work with the classic Challenge, given that the tube diameter is the same and the two clamps connecting the pedal bars to the chair should work? I’m thinking of emailing Playseat and asking if it would be possible to purchase just the pedal assembly from them.

[@giogamer4825]

Would be great if you can let us know if you did manage to order one from them

[@calum258]

I’ve got a problem maybe you can help me, the wheel mount where you can lift up to get in and out doesn’t stop at 90 degrees and just moves all the way to the floor

[@jazz1457B]

I need a review on Next Level Racing's GT Racer cockpit please.

[@KarlGosling]

I've asked NLR if they have review stock available.

[@Misterrogers187]

Is there any chance ull be reviewing the tr8pro rig? Looking to upgrade my art rig and would love to see what u thought of it

[@KarlGosling]

They look great (I love a tubular design) but there will be a little flex at the wheel deck as a result similar to the TRX I reviewed the other week - trakracer.com/?ref=aHUc6vUFWn7USZ

Great review mate! I purchased the Playseat Challenge Actifit and after 10 minutes of use I decided to return it, the pain in my legs was too much... those metal triangles were killing me. Now I purchased the Challenge X (using your affiliate link) and I am waiting it to be delivered. I hope this one is more comfortable as you mentioned in this video.

[@AllenStauffer]

How was the X?

@@AllenStauffer it is perfect!! One billion times better than the Actifit

[@AllenStauffer]

Great to hear!

[@SirNattrax]

How sturdy is it ? Can it take a MOZA R5 with a brake performance kit to the brakes?

[@Reargunner1275]

I have an original Playseat that’s lasted me two years, it’s been great.

[@HoldenRiot]

Great video and comparison as always. Thanks Karl!

[@giogamer4825]

Karl, the back of the X version is smaller? Strange that the leg space is wider but the back not!? Would that feel uncomfortable in a long race for your back?

[@shiwarrior9241]

Thanks Karl, i also looked at your Challenge Vs GT Lite, decided on the playseat as i think it will just fit in my cupboard , but I'm not sure if the X version will, would you or any followers think the X will fit in a D=36cm x D=w56cm x H=1m50 with a T300 attached? Thank you

[@kristofferjohnson5789]

Can u use this with thrustmaster t248

[@TAYLORDRiiFT]

Hi, how high is the seat from the ground? Thx and best greets

[@TheRatlord74]

Have you seen Steam link mate?

[@RDR1456]

Can i fit thrustmaster t300 RS GT to the Logitech X please mate?

[@MeTaMaNvR]

LOL you asked the same question. I think the wheel fits dude but I've read there are issues with mounting the pedals. Found a topic on reddit and someone had issues but sorted it I think. I found a site that sell the screws to mount the wheelbase properly. No idea really and I've concerns now as I've just ordered the X & T300 :(.. Karl will know for sure! Fingers crossed

[@gregmiller98]

Does the pedal tray on the logitech can fit the Fanatec CSL pedals?

[@rupertmeyer508]

Does it mate? I wanna know 2

[@Turner-Be-Thy-Real-Name]

All well explained .Cheers.

[@MrHusni90]

It's $500 in Australia, I don't know why they sell this so expensive. It literally feel like a camping chair with some extra bars. Next Level GT is half of this price.

[@Ectohawk2]

Someone PLEASE help me decide between Playseat Challenge X and NLR GT Lite Pro! I need to sit at least 13in high, and need the wheel to be mounted around 29in high. I'm using V3 Pedals but still have an old Logitech g920 wheel so don't have to worry about DD strength. AND I need to move it/put away between uses.

[@tiotulo]

Great review Karl. Before I purchased ChallengeX, I had similar thougths and finally I decided to buy the new one. I think it has improvements than deserve it (pedals mount, shifter mount, stability...) I watched videos of the old one where people had to make some arranges in orden to gain stability or add a shifter bar. Nos, I have a question for you. I’m 187cm tall (6 1.6 inches) long arms and the wheel is very close to me. Can I move backwards the wheel plate to separate the wheel from me or it is fixed to the bar?

[@D4NDYSW0RLDF4N0]

Excellent video I've just got lucky and picked up a Playseat challenge for 40 on Facebook marketplace like you said on your previous video on the Playseat cheap as chips lol

[@KarlGosling]

Perfect mate!

[@AllenStauffer]

Are there any differences in how or how much they fold up? Thanks for the comparison!

[@KarlGosling]

No mate the same.

[@Luanmf]

Hello from Brazil! Those seats are quite expensive here and the Challenge X is about to arrive on the stores next month. But with the arrival of the new version the Actifit is on sale. Should I wait 1 month more and take the Challenge X and pay a lot for it or take the Actifit on sale? I was afraid of the problems with the lifting pedals during hard braking. Ps.: it will be my first time on racing sims and I will be using a Thrustmaster T300RS.

[@Fastsim]

Do they fold with the wheel and pedals mounted or does it require taking them off?

[@KarlGosling]

Mounted mate.

[@V8chump]

Karl what’s the best VR headset for sim racing? The quest 2 seems to be pretty jaggy and shimmery, not sure if that’s a thing across all headsets or not but a really nice clean display would be incredible

[@grahamkelly8662]

Off topic question. Does any1 know if Fanatec 15NM wheelbase has anything that the gt dd pro 8NM don’t have , apart from more power? I’m so undecided on what to buy. I’m on g29 now. Think 8Nm will be enough?

[@supercededman]

I've both the DD Pro 8nm with LC and the Logi G Pro The Lgitech every day of the week, particularly if you are playing a Trueforxe enabled title

[@danhaire3064]

Hi Karl love the channel. Ive just bought a Playseat Challenge X and initially will be using it with my existing Logitech G29 wheel and pedals. But down the line I would like to get a direct drive wheel, maybe the new Cammus C12. However Im aware that this Playseat Challenge X is more suited to Logitech kit, especially the pedal plate. Would you consider doing a video on compatibility of other manufacturers kit with the Challenge X seat? Thanks!

[@KarlGosling]

I no longer have it sorry mate.

[@malcolmhewison9744]

Would love to see a comparison between the playseat challenge x and the gt light pro

[@simohayha1234]

can the playseat x use with the old G27 set?

[@KarlGosling]

Yup

[@DGey13]

Hi Karl, on the old Playseat you had tried some motherboard support brackets. Can you tell me if the support brackets of the original Playseat are compatible with the Playseat x?

[@DGey13]

I recently bought the new x and I would like to mount the Logitech g pro wheel on it, but I think it is better to put the support brackets. Although I have seen some users who have mounted the g pro even without bracing

[@Valcirin]

It would be cool to see playseat challenge vs next level racing gt lite pro

[@tawfikbarakat8751]

Great video, how tall are you? Will it fit 185cm person?

[@KarlGosling]

I'm also 185cm mate.

[@PatricioZazzini]

will trhey support 10 nmeters shaking?

[@KarlGosling]

It will work but of course there will be flex and wobble as with an foldable.

[@MarcRCAddict]

Great video as always Karl, what is the measurement for your bum being off the floor in both of them mate? I got a feeling my TV might be too high and I would need to lower the tv..

[@jakobcampbell4803]

Karl, will you be doing a comparison to the GT Lite Pro and the Challenge X?

[@MeTaMaNvR]

Karl, I reckon you’d know the answer to this: does the Thrustmaster T300 fit the Logitech Playseat Challenge X? I’ve heard there might be some issues with mounting the pedals - is that true?" I've just ordered the seat and the T300 and if it won't fit I'll be gutted...

[@KarlGosling]

Hmm I don't have either to try mate but they should fit as TM uses a very common bolt pattern.

[@MeTaMaNvR]

@KarlGosling thanks bud

[@Krymefighter]

Thanks for this. At 5'11 and 90kg, the original is a little cramped, and the pedal setup less than ideal as you mentioned. Given how much Ill be using it, I think I will put my playseat on ebay and pick up the new one - the extra money will be worth it in the lomg run for comfort levels. Good to know that it works with Thrustmaster pedals too. Thanks again!

[@fr3dvisser]

Forgot the folding bit of these fodables 😊

[@KarlGosling]

They fold the same, that hasn't changed with the new one... see my individual reviews for full details.

[@_TIGERHEART]

So, Karl ( or anyone else who knows) am I right in thinking that my Thrustmaster T150 WILL fit on the new playseat? because before watching this video I got the impression that only Logitech wheels/pedals would fit correctly? 🤔 Thanks 👍

[@giogamer4825]

Thrustmaster will work perfectly also 👍

[@ticosnaps]

Glad you made this video!

[@Gaijin101]

i kinda like the og straps as arm rests

[@philmarsden9594]

cheers boss! helpped make my mind up :)

[@KarlGosling]

No problem 👍

[@tsushima33]

Great video, thx!

[@KarlGosling]

No problem!

[@D3Vlicious]

Am I the only one distracted by the MadCatz Tournament Edition 2 in the console under the speaker?

[@KarlGosling]

Been a SF2 fan since I was a kid so had to have a proper arcade stick... even if I'm better on pad! lol

[@slaphead90]

For the full test you need to demonstrate how the new Challenge X works on a bed 😉

[@chasestringer9619]

What

[@benjamingesquiere6007]

I bought the og challenge and they now have also the actifit material.

[@silentblackhole]

Thanks for the in-depth review.

[@KarlGosling]

My pleasure!

[@RichardMaglov]

Subscribed just because of the StereoHype Shirt haha, great videos too!

[@KarlGosling]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@lilbtyt7928]

Just picked up the og for 60 at a flea market. Great deal

[@KarlGosling]

Perfect!

[@lukesmall7660]

BOOSTED MEDIA HAS JUST REALISED A VIDEO ON HOW TO GET PROPPER TRIPLE SCREEN FIX FOR THE NEW WRC. GET ON IT 💪

[@KarlGosling]

NO HE HASN'T! lol It's a post process filter which is a little better than normal stretching but still not geometrically correct... anything is better than nothing though so I'll give it a try! 😀

[@ValentinSchulter]

Thanks for this direct comparison! You helped me in making my decision! 🙂

[@KarlGosling]

Glad I could help!

[@lossnt557]

legend, massive help

[@KarlGosling]

No worries!

[@TomaszWalusWaluWalo]

Great job

[@delxinogaming6046]

No straps!

[@Dyslexiccarrot]

👍