PlayStation 2 - Comparing MX4SIO, UDPBD, HDD, SMB, USB on PS2 Fat and Slim

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[@HollowRick]

I'm glad this comparison exists as I'm so tired of youtubers recommending the USB method 🤦🏻

[@FR4M3Sharma]

Who the fuck is recommending you USB nowadays?

[@tnaplastic2182]

@@FR4M3Sharma All the Noobs which think that PS2-Home is a source…

[@jesustoninixxx328]

same, this days everybody thinks the USB way is the definitive experience but is so bad

[@SarsamSamo1]

​@@jesustoninixxx328yeah i have USB on my modded ps2 does HDD help improving fps and loading?

[@SarsamSamo1]

​@@jesustoninixxx328i agree with you when i play it on my ps2 i tested Kenka banchou 2 full throttle the loading is super slow as hell frame rate stuffers

[@finlaygibb6763]

this is the best video on this subject by far! so thorough and yet so concise. must have taken ages to make and i appreciate very much. (also written in much clearer english than most videos by native speakers)

[@tnaplastic2182]

Yes, this definitely IS the best comparison of the most common options (although disc missing), hence it is what I always share to "undecided people"! 😅

[@br33ch]

Great video. Comparing with the DVD would've been interesting too.

[@transformersloverjon]

I can't believe this video doesn't contain a control group.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

@@transformersloverjon Control group sadly is not that controlled anymore. Sadly, all my drives have varying read speeds.

[@lauraiss1027]

Excellent comparison and explanation, thank you!

[@choco_easty]

Thanks you for making this very comprehensive video! I appreciate the time and effort you put in to it! Keep making more.

[@tnaplastic2182]

Very good video and thank you for taking the time!

[@Anthestudios]

Great video. I had never heard of UDPBD so another things learnt today. Thanks so much!

[@Adam_483]

THANKS! Finally a comprehensive video! Thanks for the graphs

[@SirRob24]

This is such a great video. I was curious about the comparison between the different methods. I have a Slim console and got an MX4SI0 card but was kind of annoyed by the lag. Was wanting to know if SMB would be better and now I know and now I know how much better. Thank you for the video!

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Glad you enjoyed it! :) Happy holidays!

[@tnaplastic2182]

Are you already using the newest official OPL Beta builds? The performance was A BIT improved, compared to even the build used here! ;)

[@SirRob24]

⁠@@PrimeRetroGamer I ended up ordering a GL.iNet Mango. Finally came in. Took me like 4 hours tonight to finally get it working with my PS2 Slim. I've never used openwrt before so getting my NTFS HDD to mount and be RW took 3.5 of those 4 hours. Tested everything out and it works flawlessly. The KH opening played without any stuttery or errors. Games are loading well. Everything I've tested works as expected. Thanks again for making this video. I never would have thought to try a travel router with my HDD setup as a Samba drive if I hadn't stumbled upon your video.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Excellent news! Thanks for updating me and the kind words! Yeah, I guess it's not the most common method, but it's great. By the way, some work is being done on making UDPBD work with that same router. Hopefully, it gets to a point one day where I can fully switch to that. @@SirRob24

[@SirRob24]

@@PrimeRetroGameroh that would be super handy. I did see on the forums it looks like they have an open wrt app for it but I decided it wasn't worth looking into farther since just running as a network drive was working so well. Now I'm onto trying to make a Guitar Hero controller using a pi Pico and circuit python for make a HID device that emulates being a rock band/GH controller. I could buy a used GH controller off eBay for like $100 but what would be the fun in that? Lol

[@matherzinsstuff3410]

Great video, i've wanted to know that for a while but could not find a comparision as good as yours. Thanks very much.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Thanks for commenting! I really do appreciate it!

[@retrorobbgaming]

I’ve tried using MX4SIO and had some issues both with slim and fat, so I resorted back to using my discs but now I may look into use the HDD method. Thanks for the video!

[@khroxas]

Same, I just got MX4SIO but performance is really bad and there is a lot of slow downs with certain games. It's a neat little device but it is not there yet.

[@tnaplastic2182]

You both should take a look at Project Phoenix Media 's "MX4SIO Troubleshooting" video! Cleaning or bending the pins a bit helped significantly in his case!

[@Vincentvalentinezxa]

i had a decent experience with it, klonoa lunateas veil crashes a lot and dmc1 doenst even work after the data warning

[@davemoore7808]

This is an excellent video. Just what I was looking for. Kudos! Love me some graphs.

[@bialasiczek]

Best comparison I've seen so far. Really helped me decide. Thanks mate.

[@paw_wall]

in my experience with the mx4sio and slim ps2, setting the mode to mode 2 (synchronous mode) seems to fix the issue with fmv lagging.

[@5persondude]

Just curious, where do you go to set that setting? Currently in the process of getting ready to try MX4SIO and I’d appreciate knowing where to go for this ahead of time

[@paw_wall]

@@5persondude you can adjust the per game settings in opl by highlighting the game and pressing triangle I believe. It should take you to the game settings where you can select which modes to turn on.

[@retro_escape2969]

Thank you so much for putting the effort into this video, it was very helpful and informative. I’m about to do some testing myself comparing hard drive options of HDD/5400, HDD/7200, and SSD 🙂

[@fiffy6572]

the work you put in this is astonishing! Thank you so much!!

[@JeffisWinning]

I liked how the PS2 got hacked wide open. There's like 12 different ways to play games & backups on it now.

[@tnaplastic2182]

Less... Lol

[@indrafelipe2932]

Some specific versions of OPL were created to improve the performance of the MX4SIO, both in ISO and ZSO. This does not affect compatibility with some memory cards. I performed tests with several standard versions of OPL and also with test versions to improve performance in MX4SIO. However, in general, MX4SIO will not outperform SMB (Server Message Block) networking. At most, it can even be equal, but overcoming it is difficult or impossible. The only advantage of MX4SIO, besides practicality, is that it uses less RAM and console IOP compared to SMB networking. This can provide greater compatibility for some games and also when using VMC (Virtual Memory Card) and PADMEU. The ps2 models from number 7500 or higher have slightly better performance on USB, I don't know if it is due to using overlock, or some other factor in the ps1's CPU, if it can be emulated on these models.

[@andrebrait]

Do you mean BDM4 or is it something else?

[@tnaplastic2182]

​@@andrebraitBDM 4.8.1 is the last one and every important stuff of it got merged.

[@krissteward]

Great video! Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you

[@elsanto5158]

Really appreciate this video. Great work!

[@ravajbains8672]

Great video, appreciate the time and effort. You've bagged a sub

[@denzelkrocker1673]

Excellent video, it gave me a good overview of ehat to expect from all the options we have and what to expect.

[@DhinCardoso]

Superb video bro! Good work, ty ♥

[@Electro096]

Unique video, great to watch 👍

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Thank you!

[@tnaplastic2182]

This comparison is definitely the best one on YT! I share it quite often to people who have not decided which device to use.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Thank you! Glad you find it helpful!

[@tnaplastic2182]

​@@PrimeRetroGamer Hey, I am in the video so that alone is worth it, haha. Nah, I mean it like I wrote it. This video is VERY WELL DONE!

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

@@tnaplastic2182 I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "you are in the video"? :D I might be missing something. :D Thanks again!

[@tnaplastic2182]

@@PrimeRetroGamer For example when you show the thread right in the beginning. I wrote it! :)

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Oh snap. I didn't put two things together. I feel like I've been visited by a celebrity now. Well, thank you for your contribution to PS2 community. :D

[@Jarom951]

Thank you very much for these tests!

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

You're very welcome! Thanks for leaving a comment.

[@slycooper9531]

Very professional!

[@TravisLohmannMusic]

SMB for me, is life- so happy to have discovered it as a method to play games!!!!

[@leorelic]

same , i don't need to hunt down Sata Adapters or a FAT PS2. my PS2 Slim is running wild with SMB (tho FFX-2 had issues)

[@Enzed_]

What's the issue with ffx2?​@@leorelic

[@Soonjai]

A game worth considering for testing FMV Stutter is R: Racing Evolution, all of it´s FMV´s had a slighter stutter and audio issues when I played it on my Fat SMB Setup, and others seem to have the same issue with the game. Never heard of UDPBD before, but might give it a try.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Thanks for leaving a comment! I might do a follow up some time. Me neither until a few weeks ago. It's kinda amazing so far.

[@Monsuco]

Great video but it's a shame we don't have games running from the optical drive as a control group. It sounded like your drives might be having problems but it is possible to replace the laser if that's the issue. I'm also curious if there's a performance difference between DVD games & CD games. Overall though this is probably the best test video out there.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Thank you!

[@47KRoman]

Very nice. I would like comparison of load times with DVD drive too.

[@ericson4030]

i would have suggested you to test Gran Turismo 3 since on SMB the opening FMV lags alot, and Splashdown since it doesn't even boot on Slim models

[@yashy2x]

Amazing video ❤

[@normannugguire]

Excellent video, I recently wanted to get into modding my ps2s, I have a 70012 and a 77001, I saw that the 70012 has the internals to do a Hard-drive but it requires soldering and a case extension and I wanted the best results but after seeing this I am content with going the UDPBD route.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

UDPDB is great! You can even run it on Raspberry Pi, but setting it up there is a bit tricky. I'm hoping some day UDPBD gets ported to a router like I used in the video, so that it can be used entirely untethered to PC. :)

[@tnaplastic2182]

Awakening works on OpenWrt implementation as it looks like. I mean... WITH GUI support in LuCI!

[@agustincorp]

Really good work!

[@3450P]

UDPDB the best method for slim consoles, SMB the second, because with SMB I get stutters in some games. For example, The Suffering (SLUS_206.36) stutters with SMB and works perfectly fine with UDBPD.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

The Suffering is stuttering! I'll have to check it out. I'll stick with SMB for a bit, since I got everything set up already, but most likely I'll be switching to UDPBD too. Someone has made it run on a router and that's what I would prefer, but AFAIK you have to start it manually each time?

[@3450P]

@@PrimeRetroGamerYou can check the video that I recorded from my TV screen (I am not a blogger and did not have any capturing device), where you can clearly notice the stutters. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYbTmHesfLGLbpY I change PCs where games share, I make SMB share on my router, and I always get stutters in this game with the SMB method. USB is fine, MX4SIO is fine, UDPBD is fine too. Maybe SMB latency causes these stutters. I make a script that starts the server when I turn on my PC.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

@@3450P Just checked on my PS2 Fat with SMB, no such stutters happen for me. Might be an issue with your config? I know my previous router made even the FMVs stutter.

[@3450P]

@@PrimeRetroGamer Strange... I test on two PCs and one router and always get this stutters with SMB, USB, MX4SIO, and UDPBD, game works fine. I finished the game using UDPBD with no problems. Maybe something else occurs this stutters, I don't know. Anyway, I fully migrated to UDPBD. One problem with this is that I am stuck with one OPL build.

[@tnaplastic2182]

​@@3450PIt's not due to latencies, but due to SMB-Streaming on a MIPS I R3000 is like remote controlling a rocket with a GameBoy... It uses a lot of CPU-Cycles as well as IOP-RAM.

[@tnaplastic2182]

*Just one note to the watchers: He intentionally used "demanding" examples, so it shows the "worst case" of how each performs.* MOST games will run fine on most consoles and most options to load games from. USB however will have issues with FMVs with a multitude but NOT ALL games!

[@XavsLo]

Great video, thank you! Do you have a tutorial on how to set up the gli net smb? I happen to have the exact same device and want to use it like that

[@retrolover451]

Very good video! Thanks it is very helpful!

[@Buguese]

MX4SIO seems like my only option right now Hdd on ANY version if OPL i threw at it just stays on a black screen without loading and I didn't touch any settings on it,so hopefully the sd card method works

[@dr.pavelheer496]

Thanks for these tests, very nice. I'm surprised on how okay SMB worked, I only heard bad things about it before. I wonder whether an SSD would have much better loading times vs your HDD. Also, I know it would be a pain in the ass, but comparison to DVD drive would also be nice

[@soulslayer55]

Haven't used my opl setup in a few months and wanted to see if it was worth switching over to the memory card solution over my internal HDD and this was a great catch up. Definitely going to stick to the HDD for now

[@MichoOussama]

In Morocco there were arcade garage's where you could play Pro Evo, Tekken, WWE, San Andreas and some other non story mode games. Every console ran games through USB and they turned on the OPL mode to skip FMVs since kids only cared about the gameplay.

[@бурлящаявода-л6ц]

Thanks for video! Had a problem with UDPBD-server. Server is working, I see disc specs, but send no data to OPL. I had static IP, straight connection between PS2 and PC, OPL settings wasn't changed, try FAT32 and exFAT... Any ideas?

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Thanks for watching! I had trouble using default UDPBD server app, have you tried using this? github.com/awaken1ng/udpbd-vexfat/releases/tag/v0.2.0

[@бурлящаявода-л6ц]

@@PrimeRetroGamer Well, your version of server starts once, makes OPL folders and then closed without any other work. Don't know how can i handle this. Tomorrow I will try another OPL build

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Do you run CMD as admin? @@бурлящаявода-л6ц

[@бурлящаявода-л6ц]

@@PrimeRetroGamer Yes, and I launch server by shortcut with special path to disc, like "\\.\E:". Another version of OPL didn't work

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

@@бурлящаявода-л6ц Which OPL version did you try?

[@DiamonF]

Vc sabe se o Mx4 ja esta salvando o progresso nos jogos ? E se eu posso usar Um hd na Usb e o Mx4 simultâneamente?

[@tnaplastic2182]

USB and MX4SIO at the same time works now in the newer OPL 1.2.0 Beta-builds! You can save onto MX4SIO SD via VMCs!

[@ef1265]

using the mx4sio method i had some sound skipping on some games, it was in cutscenes / fmv i think, which i don't get at all on HDD, not sure if that is due to low compatibility with some games

[@toxicityofthecity226]

Thank you for these comparisons. I only have ps2 slim and i was wondering what method will i use. Definitely hdd setup is out so my best bet is SMB setup. I have an old router so i hope it works.

[@ShindlerReal]

Never heard of UDPBD. I'll look into it someday. SMB is giving me a headache every time Windows decides to update.

[@jeromeprin5668]

Question : are there games that works on a solution and not on another?

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Yes! But I have no general idea what the percentage of games works with one and not another. It's generally believed that USB is the most incompatible and HDD is most compatible.

[@tnaplastic2182]

I'd love to see you testing these very same games on the very same devices as "ZSO(s)" (including the fact that it often requires Mode 1, because it is too fast sometimes). 😊

[@gameNLHD]

im using psx-pi-smbshare on my slim with a pi and for some reason i get audio stutters in dragon quest 8 both in the fmv and gameplay weirdly i dont get this with the same game using UDPBD am i doing something wrong on the smb part or ?

[@tnaplastic2182]

No, you don't do anything wrong! That game (one of some) is actually a good showcase where UDPBD is better due to less IOP usage!

[@TheMagnificentGman]

Why does MX4ISO on slim fall short of the phat performance?

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

AFAIK Sony reduced memory card bus speed on Slim consoles starting with SCPH-75000.

[@TheMagnificentGman]

@@PrimeRetroGamer ah I see. Thanks for the reply.

[@thiagoduarte5354]

Obrigado pelo excelente vídeo estava em dúvida sobre adquirir um MX4SIO para um PS2 Slim SCPH90006 estou cansado da lentidão das portas USB, saudações brasileiras!

[@PUNISSSH]

Já vou te avisando, estou tendo problemas com muitos jogos, Re 4 trava as cutscenes, Max Payne não inicia, DMC 1 não inicia e estou com alguns bugs gráficos nos Shin Megami Tensei. Tenta jogar pela aquela parada de rede mesmo. Fiz a besteira de comprar esse aí e agora estou com uma dor de cabeça do caramba, eu poderia ter comprado um hd pro meu fat e teria me salvado desse stress ):

[@tnaplastic2182]

​@@PUNISSSH Try compatibility modes?!

[@rubenrios9497]

Please do a follow up, and test the opening FMV of the Sega Astro Boy game as it has give problems in the past

[@Helpful_Harry]

comparing with discs would have been cool

[@madmax2069]

Should have tested a Sata SSD as well, long side the Sata HDD. Just to see if any differences between the HDD and SSD.

[@chuzka]

there is not a difference, the ps2 won´t use the extra speed of an ssd

[@madmax2069]

@@chuzka there's a few videos showing it's slightly faster than a HDD because the SSD doesn't have to contend with seek times, although the speed up is negligible, it's equivalent to loading from network vs HDD.

[@chuzka]

@@madmax2069 The faster load time is nice, but not nice enough for the money.

[@tnaplastic2182]

​​@@chuzkaThere is a noticeable difference on some games and apps, using SSD vs. HDD... You are claiming stuff that you ASSUME but have not verified!

[@chuzka]

@@tnaplastic2182 the difference it´s minimum, you can tell me that you want an ssd for the noise and the compact size but in terms of performance there is not a noticeable difference. Maybe in your country the ssd are cheaper but in Argentina it´s not worth the money

[@frankbaez7443]

This video is a Marsterpiece, thanks.

[@FeiXenogears]

Can you saves your games to the HDD so you do not need a memory card? Also can you save ps1 games?

[@tnaplastic2182]

Internal HDD? USB? Yes for both questions on both storage-devices.

[@FeiXenogears]

Thanks@@tnaplastic2182

[@MrColorOFF]

Я использую mx4sio и очень доволен. У меня 2 консоли 5000 и 7700, обе в идеальном состоянии.

[@tnaplastic2182]

20k views! Hey people! Share this video please! It is THE BEST comparison of the available devices!

[@tnaplastic2182]

Almost 33.3k views now! 😮

[@ByeWorld]

Why the MX4SIO have a lower performance on slim models?

[@tnaplastic2182]

1. Not all Slims but DECKARD-PS2s (SCPH-75k+). 2. Because of the "emulated IOP" or simply slower SIO2-Ports. We are not 100% sure yet.

[@Anthestudios]

@@tnaplastic2182 Thanks, this was the missing piece of the puzzle for me in this video!

[@kghhgkgk6322]

Spent hours today trying to get smb to work. Cant get it to connect.

[@Didoydals00]

Great explained tnx bro

[@cate_abreu]

Gotta test it on my setup with a SMB server, ethernet cable directly connected to the laptop. I have a PS2 slim 90xxx version (PAL).

[@tnaplastic2182]

It works fine, but if you use a Laptop anyway, you should give UDPBD a shot!

[@cate_abreu]

@@tnaplastic2182 I'll do :)

[@mrwoodcat]

my fat ps2 is the launch version without hdd capabilities nor network port (it stuck with usb game bcs the optics is broken too) so mx4sio seems like a god gift for it.

[@tnaplastic2182]

ALL FAT have capability of using an HDD, even Pre-ExpansionBay-Models.

[@Budgiecat-w4p]

How do i add game covers?? 😭

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

@@Budgiecat-w4p OPL Manager. :)

[@Budgiecat-w4p]

@PrimeRetroGamer I downloaded that the other day on my laptop but that was because whatever program I was using to change bin & cue files to iso wasn't working but that did work. So what do I do with that for covers?? That program is on my laptop, not on my flash cart or anything

[@Roby0593]

can you show the configuration to directly connect in UDPBD ps2 to PC using ethernet ?

[@tnaplastic2182]

Just take a look at the official news-thread?!

[@mbanzf]

Ok man , thanks for this content my ps2 slim Matrix using external hdd and very slowly in cut scene, I think i need hardware for smb mode..

[@rafaeldoraguille9169]

Thank you!

[@GamerGeezer]

Opl 1.2.0 with Mx4sio on my 50003 model works just fine and doesn't have half the slowdown shown here. All pal isos used and no fmv skipping.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

PAL runs at 50 frames per second instead of 60, so that could explain it. I avoid using PAL most of the time.

[@GamerGeezer]

Even on NTSC games there's rarely an issue. I use a 50hz CRT to play ps2 anyways, but if I switch to component through gbs c I don't care about the 5 less frames. It means no skippage on cutscenes and it's the version I'm used to.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

I tried out the games that usually give me trouble. Just to clear things up, it's not always just 5 frames you're missing, many games do run at full 60, even the FMVs. I'm not saying you shouldn't play PAL versions, it's just that it's not what I tested or prefer.@@GamerGeezer

[@GamerGeezer]

No probs I understand. I don't mind PAL is all. We are used to it here in UK.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

I'm from Latvia, we had the same PAL standard here as well, but when I started collecting consoles, about 4 years ago, I set out to go for NTSC. I don't mind it, but I really prefer NTSC. It might actually be a worse standard from a technical point (don't quote me on this, it's what I've heard), but games are not always that greatly optimized for it. I actually speak about this in my latest upload. Take a stab at it. Maybe you have some valid criticisms from your point of view. @@GamerGeezer

[@stepencuy]

good video comparison

[@santororaff]

I have an old PS2 Fat (50004), so the cheapest and better solution is Mx4Sio, usb is too much slow. With PS2 Slim models you don't have choise: SMB is the online way. Both Mx4Sio and usb are unplayable. Thanks for your video, a lot of KZbinrs suggest usb but it's a really bad solution

[@tnaplastic2182]

MX4SIO actually works well on many games, regardless if FAT or slim. We suggested him some extreme examples for these tests!

[@RazzeeTV]

Why is MX4SIO faster with a Fat model? It does not make sense to me. The USB being faster in the Slim model, either.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Hardware differences. Some PS2 games do not even work on a Slim.

[@Sonic-ky4xh]

Does Mx4sio work for ps1 games?

[@tnaplastic2182]

No.

[@marllysongomes7584]

Será que daria pra usar IA pra traduzir e dublar esse video?

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Existe a opção de tradução automática para legendas disponíveis.

[@marllysongomes7584]

@@PrimeRetroGamer Sim eu sei. E uso tbm! Porém a legenda atrapalha na hora de ver o desempenho de cada.

[@tnaplastic2182]

MX4SIO will especially benefit on DECKARD-PS2s from some recent developments already used in the new MMCE-Game-mode!

[@Brodensson]

I would love to have seen the mx4sio test on the 700XX slim consoles, as these are pre-decard consoles like the fat consoles. I assume they would have tbe similar results to the 39003, but obviously can't say for sure. Maybe I'll test it myself!

[@tnaplastic2182]

Same results like FAT.

[@tnaplastic2182]

They have similar results like FAT PS2s indeed!

[@kekff7710]

is it possible to launch PSX Backups as well? Or is it only PS2 Backups ?

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

For PSX backups you'd have to use POPStarter, which is basically a PS1 emulator for PS2. It's better than nothing, but I wouldn't recommend it. Many games have issues with compability. You can run burned CD backups with Mechapwn hack, but that means you'd have to burn every disc. Of course modchip does this as well. No other notable methods I can think of. Hope this helps somewhat.

[@tnaplastic2182]

​@@PrimeRetroGamerPatches exist! 😊

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

They do, but it's a hassle to deal with and compatibility won't be 100% anyway. For me it's not worth it. If I didn't have any other solutions though, it's something I'd consider.@@tnaplastic2182

[@tnaplastic2182]

@@PrimeRetroGamer A hastle?? Copy&Paste?! ;) The compatibility is very high with those, though...!

[@That_Handle]

Does the PS1 incompatibility infer that, since they are CD based games, that PS2 CD based games, also, won't work? - i.e., Tribes: Aerial Assault, etc.?

[@aboutmygaming]

I did't get what actually caused the difference between mx4sio speeds on fat and slim consoles? And is there any difference in speeds between different models of similar size. For example is there a difference between mx4sio on slim 7xxxx and 9xxxx slim consoles?

[@tnaplastic2182]

IOP (up to and including SCPH-70k) vs. DECKARD-PPC (hardware-mapped pseudo-emulated IOP, 75k and up...)

[@Szczauqa]

is there a reason mx4sio is slow on slim?

[@tnaplastic2182]

It's only slower on DECKARD-PS2s, but maybe some stuff can be done about it.

[@marllysongomes7584]

all that was left was the test with i-link firewire to see how the performance would be.

[@tnaplastic2182]

It's ~6-7MB/s. Not sure in-game, but it should be "on par" with internal HDD and UDPBD, although internal HDD can read WAY faster (~80MB/s AFAIR) in test-apps.

[@baguete02]

I use SMB over a raspberry pi with a direct connection to my silver slim PS2, but instead of using an external HDD or even an USB thumb drive I placed a 512gb NVME SATA SSD in a USB external case in to the raspberry Pi port and I measured 35seconds to load GTA San Andreas.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

It's overkill, PS2s SMB will not get close to saturating that kind of bandwidth. But with SSD prices dropping it's a good way to future proof your setup. It won't help much with any loading speed though. Did you measure with a savegame that loads in Doherty and did you time it the same way I did? Loading CJs house savegame, for example, is faster.

[@baguete02]

I know it won't fully take advantage of the NVME transfer speeds but it was the only way I could use a larger storage with the raspberry 1 USB ports, a hard drive needs more power from the USB ports to function properly, I think the newer Pi models actually have USB 3.0 ports. Actually the initial load was from a new game , no saves on the memory card, it loads one in game cutscene indeed , I'll progress through the game to get to this location and test again.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Ah, I see, makes sense. Even if it didn't, that's fine too. I use SATA SSD on my Xbox even though it's mostly a waste. It's quiet and reliable though. Yeah, that's where the difference is from. I noticed this when I did my testing, that's why I specifically tested Doherty save. @@baguete02

[@tnaplastic2182]

​@@baguete02I'd simply use an SD, which you can use in ALL scenarios.

[@baguete02]

@@tnaplastic2182 a 512gb microSD card costs more than a NVME here , I only used a small one to install raspian

[@darkspartan566]

so just wondering is there anyone that can get a ps1 game to work now? that's all i'm really trying to figure out lol

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

You can in a way, but it uses emulation and it's not always very accurate. I personally don't even bother, but look into POPStarter if you are interested.

[@AwesomesMan]

SMB with raspberry pi seems still seems like the best setup for the PS2 Slim since it doesn’t require a pc running simultaneously when you wanna play.

[@tnaplastic2182]

UDPBD works on RasPi as well as OpenWrt as well…

[@eternalsuffering7374]

what about the custom OPL build that allows exfat HDDs to run games, are they slower than running the HDD the normal way?

[@chamda]

Waiting for hdd vs ssd

[@TheGMan.]

Does the slow data transfer of usb affect game play at all ?

[@tnaplastic2182]

It's alright in most games, when the game/level/etc. has loaded.

[@XantoS771]

For slim ps2 users, SMB is the best way, in my opinion

[@remusracingro3884]

Nice one

[@breikgg]

Playing budokai tenkaichi 3 in USB is a pain in the ass every time you transform because of the load times

[@samfadel4997]

Ps2 fat with hdd best way to play backups

[@palpyguy]

do this for og xbox!

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

I guess I could compare DVD vs HDD vs SSD vs Cheap Adapter with SSD. There is also UDMA5 mode with some BIOSes.. Hmm, interesting idea. I will give it a thought.

[@unlimitedslash]

Could you try with a SATA SSD instead of a crappy 5400 RPM HDD? Or with a 7200rpm HDD.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

@@unlimitedslash difference is within margin of error. Speed is limited by old interface, not the drive speed.

[@HyperSF2]

Great video, how do these methods compare with the original DVD drive, faster or slower?

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Thanks! Hard to tell exactly, because that is very dependent on DVD drive health. I had tested GTA San Andreas load time (Fat) and it was slower on DVD than HDD and even SMB, but my DVD drive might be on it's last leg. I might dig more into it at a later point - I have a few consoles I can compare, but I have to make sure their drives are in good health.

[@ADSteam1994]

apparently zso shouldnt be used with mx4sio because it can effect loading times

[@tnaplastic2182]

Depends on the game.

[@Black-lw8nd]

what build?

[@ИгнатПаниковский]

Лучший обзор

[@tnaplastic2182]

I agree.

[@dontdothis8500]

HDD performs best as expected, but good luck keeping the Network Adapter working after you keep removing amd inserting it into your PS2 Phat more Tham twice 😢

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Hmm, I don't have this kind of issue. Do you have OEM one or a clone?

[@dontdothis8500]

@PrimeRetroGamer Just the original. The HDD can't be read no matter how well I try to insert the Network Adapter. My HDD is just fine because the HDL Dump GUI can detect it just fine on my computer.

[@PrimeRetroGamer]

Maybe try using contact cleaner on all the connectors? That has helped me a lot with older consoles. If that doesn't work, maybe it just died? I wouldn't rule that out.@@dontdothis8500

[@dontdothis8500]

@PrimeRetroGamer It's as clean as a whistle. Anyway, the same thing happened to the one I used prior, which was a third-party device by GameStar. Three or more insertions, and it's fucked beyond repair! Also, on both devices I used, it kept getting harder amd harder to turn the screws on both ends, which is how I first found out that something's wrong

[@samfadel4997]

Use opl exfat

[@BashoStrikes]

My slim PS4 performs slightly faster with the MX4ISO than does my fat model.

[@LudovicoDev]

The best way cheap and easy is to use MX4Sio