Plotting a Story (for Writers who HATE Plotting)

[@AbbieEmmons]

*Are you a plotter or a pantser?* 👇

[@noonebossesthegarnet2890]

Not sure :’)

[@shanthi4855]

Pantser😅 but I've been trying outline more often

[@longunicorn]

Pantser. I'm not quite sure, though.

[@Kate.Murray]

I’m a big fan

[@emxry]

Bit of both,really

[@renelznicolas8659]

Random fact you didn't ask for: in Spanish, a pantser is called a "compass writer" and an outliner would be a "map writer" :)

[@happinesss2]

wow I love that!

[@ashlynmccathy1825]

Me encanta ❤️

[@Alexa-eo4tf]

Como se diría eso en español?

[@renelznicolas8659]

@@Alexa-eo4tf Escritor de brújula y escritor de mapa

[@Alexa-eo4tf]

@@renelznicolas8659 Oooh!Genial !gracias por la traduccion😊

[@BetweenSunAndMoon]

My problem is that knowing every plot point beforehand makes me not want to write the story anymore, because I already know exactly what's going to happen and what my characters will do. Where's the fun in that? I've had multiple stories I was passionate about that I immediately lost interest in after I outlined them. That's why pantsing is also called discovery writing: because you get to discover your story and characters as you write them.

[@happinesss2]

Yeah I'm kind of the same... I start thinking of writing as an assignment to get to the next plot point and it seems too... structural and mechanical at that point. I like to get carried away by the voice and character. And I find more fun and joy in that style, and I think that's fine. Maybe I won't ever get published this way? But I think everyone has a different style, too. Like maybe I can do a quick draft zero and then from there organize the structure better through a clearer outline based on what I've already pantsed... and it'll be a crap first draft but I have to be okay with that! :)

[@deekshab9417]

Same. It also gets tedious for me because then I'm so impatient about the story reaching a pre designed plot point. And it takes away the surprise

[@EmilyE96]

100% with you here. The thing that I realise is that I like solving the mystery of the story as I write and there's something so authentic about doing it on the fly, really getting that first reaction of the character and living it with them. As you said, if I plan it instead it's like ruining a plot twist for myself. I can never seem to tap into that genuine reaction if it's been pre-plotted.

[@kyra3918]

Same, totally same, my problem is I have tons of plots but no thrill to write the stories. I wanted to write them so bad but ughh

[@reveoncelink6133]

This. This is me. Oh my god, yes! I really feel myself losing when I already know what's going to happen next. I seriously want MYSELF to recognize the next step and get creative!

[@bunothebrains]

You should write a story where the protagonists misbelief is that plotting is bad and his/her fear that is preventing him or her from achieving their goal (which is plotting) is that plotting will take away their creativity and so the protagonist will make choices after their misbelief of plotting. Would be a banger, a bestseller, everyone would buy it :D

[@AbbieEmmons]

that's a bestseller right there

[@alexandernorman5337]

And at the end of the story the reader finds out that the protagonist is GRRM?

[@linzihan]

cool idea but pls use they and their instead of saying him or her every time lmfao

[@bunothebrains]

@@linzihan It's a habit, where I come from we always say: he she it the s muss mit.

[@Friendship1nmillion]

@@AbbieEmmons { 53rd like 👍 } 🤷🇦🇺🇳🇴

[@meilynwoods8262]

I used to be a pantser but now I'm in the middle. I need to know where I'm going but I like the freedom of just writing.

[@NinjaPenguin1108]

Same except I started out by feeling like I had to plan EVERYTHING. Now I'm more relaxed and I kinda write what I feel like writing at the moment

[@xtonibx5770]

If you're somewhere in the middle then loose outlining could be good for you. You can probably put some major scenes in order, have a central beginning, middle, and ending in mind. The outlining process can be as rigid or as loose and free as you want it to be.

[@davidmarshall8166]

@@xtonibx5770 Absolutely, and this is what I do. As I said on another conversation thread about this video, you put in the work on one side of the process or the other. You'll either do the work on the front end with outlining or on the back end in revision. Regardless of the process, nothing takes the place of a butt in a seat actively writing.

[@workinprogress3329]

Same 💜 I get so much done with just turning on my computer and letting go.

[@mari_golds-bleeding-ink]

same

[@c0cktavian]

Not me trying to write a book at the age of 11, when I can't go 4 minutes without my brain transporting me to Hogwarts.

[@eli99019]

You can do it!💞

[@davetaylor2088]

I thought it was supposed to be a train?

[@malynbarnett5573]

Ha! I’m around that age and it’s either hogwarts, the burrow or some where in wings of fire

[@mateosawyers6059]

I'm 14 trying to write a big Christian novel....its turning out great so keep going

[@xxfinnitxx]

@@davetaylor2088 DAVE NO

[@joemoya9743]

The advantage of pantsing is that the book never reads like the writer already knows the ending. Pansers don't lead the reader. Instead, the writer and the reader follow the story no matter where it goes. After the story is finished, then you go back and organize the misteps and easily disregard the parts that don't add to the ending, middle or beginning.

[@blumelodiez]

This is similar to my process. Whenever I finally get down to write, I just type whatever feels right. Like my "readers" (I don't publish my work) I have no idea what's gonna happen 😅 plotting has always been a struggle for me, because it's like I'm forcing the story into a template. It ends up not feeling natural

[@NinjaPenguin1108]

I usually write little scenes that come to me throughout my day and before I know it, I've got a book!

[@bunothebrains]

Can't agree. I'm a pantser and I always include small hints that will blow the readers minds when they read the book the second time.

[@breadordecide]

@@bunothebrains Thats the beauty of writing. After the sixth or seventh draft it looks like you knew what you were doing all along.

[@kaylajames9334]

@@NinjaPenguin1108 I do that, too.

[@Kiki-cs8xv]

And they all lived happily ever after!... Except for Mrs. Rochester, who's conveniently dead.

[@dimwitteddingo]

Idk why I laughed at that

[@lisascankdealejo6447]

I did too xD

[@ronketola6134]

...Nice

[@h3702]

😂

[@grondhero]

"I'm blind!" "Yes, but your wife died!" "And they _both_ lived happily ever after."

[@Spark_is_right_here]

I usually don’t plot short stories but I’m working on a fan fiction that is becoming bigger than I’d thought. It started as a “I haven’t written for months and need to write SOMETHING” and turned into “Holy geez this is actually getting a bit serious”. So...outline time!

[@henrywayne5724]

This happened to me last November. It was a sequel to a fanfic I wrote and it was supposed to just be this fun little project but then at chapter five, I realized that it was going to be a lot more complex and longer than the original and even the most complex story I'd ever attempt to write. I got so intimidated that I haven't gone back to it to date. But I'm letting it simmer because a lot more pieces need to be fit characterwise and worldbuilding-wise. With luck, it will be my debut novel, I HAVE been thinking about it a lot lately.

[@shanthi4855]

Same! It started as just a one off thing for me but it gained a lot of popularity so now I'm really stressed about it

[@shanthi4855]

Btw what fandom is it?

[@geniusgameram9100]

@@henrywayne5724 Feels exactly like mine. I too decided to write chapter 5 of my fanfic and boom, It's the most complex thing a person could ever think of. From dual dreams to zipping space-time, it's definitely a banger but I haven't made the character building.

[@AbbieEmmons]

I love that feeling!!

[@dimwitteddingo]

I come up with stories in my head during math class then go to quickly plot them down but by the time I get home I've forgotten half of it

[@AbbieEmmons]

that's so frustrating!!!

[@alexandernorman5337]

You need to take better notes in class ;)

[@mateosawyers6059]

Secret is....im not a math persone either

[@ang5824]

Mine too.

[@EvaJFrost-uq9ce]

Most relatable comment ever-

[@BirdsAndWhales]

My problem isn't so much that I dislike plotting/outlining, it's that I'm bad at it. I can only seem to have plot ideas when I'm actually writing, because at that point things just seem to flow out of my head magically, or if I'm lucky enough for them to just "come to me" at some point out of the blue. I desperately need some advice on how to actually generate a plot, because I just can't seem to do it. I have no problems with premise, characters, world-building, etc, just can't seem to come up with what is going to happen.

[@mergesviz]

What rubs me the wrong way is that “plotting always helps”. It doesn’t. Sometimes plotting isn’t the answer, it’s brainstorming. Even the very bare bones of what Abby recommended is too much at times. The way my brain works is that I have landmark scenes, or, scenes that I know are important emotional beats for me to work towards. Sometimes I completely disregard those ideas. I get my best brainstorming/planning done while I’m writing. So I find out that X shouldn’t happen here but Y because I wrote Z. I can’t get that foresight from outlining. When I try to outline a book, I simply don’t know enough about the characters or story, so it never applies while drafting. I have tried to outline so many times and I ALWAYS disregard it because it doesn’t represent the story or characters because I didn’t know what or who they were while outlining! What helps is understanding emotional beats, story structure, arcs, all of that fundamental craft stuff and understanding it so well that it rests in the back of my brain while drafting. I’m hardly close to being an expert or knowing a lot about writing, but understanding the core of storytelling is so much more important than outlining. Don’t outline for the sake of outlining.

[@vultureiraq1168]

I agree with you so much! I'm in the middle of drafting my story while brainstorming and wondering what structure works best for me! My story is supposed to be a fairytale so I tell myself not to care about plotting and structure right away and I can always go back to it later- and it really helps me express my creativity in writing. I consider myself to be a panster but if I at least have a hook of what the story is about, then I can begin writing to explore the story even further,. (I also at least prefer to have character outlines like their personality and desires and then I'm done)

[@kaylajames9334]

Hallelujah. Also, we all need to realize that we only need just a few lessons on story structure. Like, maybe a few craft books or articles and the rest is just watching tv and reading. Pantsers are people, too.

[@GamingWithGlacier]

I completely agree with you! I like to focus more on fleshing out the characters. Of course I do try to plot some stuff. But in my personal experience, writing gets boring if I know every single detail that happens in the book. I like to plot just enough so things are coherent. Other than that, I treat each chapter kind of like an "episode". As a writer, I love surprising myself with what happens. It almost feels like my readers and I are on an even playing field. Plus, I grow a bigger attachment to the characters if I let them "write" their own fate.

[@renab.7390]

Couldn't agree more. This is me. I'm a discovery writer, I get to know my story and characters while writing. So even when I outline, I end up throwing out at least 75% of it while writing. So I have to constantly update my outline to fit the changes I'm making, which ends up being more needless work. It's enough for me to know what the story will be about and roughly where I'm going/what I wanna say with my story. And I don't need to write that down, that's in my head at all times. So yeah, plotting/outlining is just a huge waste of time for me.

[@Aiyvas]

Yes! Same! About as far as an “outline” gets for me is a few rough plot points. What’s going to happen to get them there? How will my characters react? What are the consequences? All unknowns until I’m sitting there, writing that moment.

[@robertmurrhee6016]

I tend to mostly be a pantser, but I think I fall somewhere inbetween. I tend to plot out in my head where I want the story to go, & the main plot points, but I also tend to take the story in unforseen directions at times, if I happen to get an idea or brainstorm something really juicy. Sometimes, when I think of something, or brainstorm a particular plot point, it may be several chapters before I actually implement it, but once I've thought it out, I won't forget what I want to have happen.

[@victoriasmith136]

Definitely a pantser but I realize I never finish books. So I will be an outliner now...thank you.

[@kennedypatton7874]

Hi Abbie, Can you make a video on debunking villain myths? With topics like: - Is it okay to romanticize the villain? - Is it possible to do a plot twist villain? (Even when using vicarious suspense) -How do you balance the good attributes of the villain with the bad ones? I hope this isn’t too demanding. Keep up the work. And Rock on!

[@ardethjven813]

Hi, not abby here: You mean like hummanizing them or make them likable? because it's always a good idea to make the villian a 3 dimansional character, the real problem would be to romanticize what they do. It also depends on your villian's baheavior and what the reader could take away from it

[@kennedypatton7874]

@@ardethjven813 To make them seem more appealing. It’s that feeling when you want the villain to win over instead of the protagonist. It’s difficult to explain, but I’ve seen some stories where the villain becomes the good guy, and the protagonist turns out to be evil.

[@ardethjven813]

@@kennedypatton7874 That's a very interesting concept, you could use corrupted concepts of "good" and "evil" it would be like taking a classic disney story and realizing that you rooted for a monarchy ( Princess, prince king and queen) and hated the outcasts (witches, trolls, monsters) as bad just because of who they are, take maleficent for an example. As long as you give an explanation for your villian's actions and change on behavior everything should be fine. Look for advice in redemption arcs and such to keep your characters consistent

[@mateosawyers6059]

Use your creative powers.....look at megamind

[@kennedypatton7874]

@@mateosawyers6059 I haven’t watched mega mind but I do think that Mother Gothel from Tangled and the Evil Step-mother from 2015 Cinderella are interesting.

[@robbiea14]

I'm WAY late to this conversation, but: I was a pantser meandering my way to finding the story. Then I decided to write a novel as my thesis for grad school, and all of a sudden, I had a deadline. Plotting (+ Save the Cat: Writes the Novel) saved my bacon. Though, I wish I'd known about this channel at the time.

[@oginpat7280]

Well, problem with being a pantser - you get bored while plotting easily and lost the excitment. I also can´t say how my character will behave without knowing how they would react in situations that appears in the book. Basicaly I need to write the book before actually writing it! xD

[@dimwitteddingo]

Same, and then I abandon like 30 books mix half of them and the loop continues

[@oginpat7280]

@@dimwitteddingo You are describing my life T_T

[@lisascankdealejo6447]

This is the hardest part about outlining. Losing the enthusiasm! But....i did ot then wroye and pantsed half way through it necause it wasn't working for me anymore and them changed my putline and then found that I'm still pantsing. I think the trick is to not go into details so you have plenty of room to pants while you draft and still have a general idea of the overall story lol

[@NAME-yg8sl]

@@dimwitteddingo I have given up on 10 books ideas per week. The last book I wrote I was 8 and that was Curious Gorge fanfiction.

[@strawberrydoll7042]

I think keeping it pretty loose and changing accordingly may fit a pantser

[@rudolphpyatt4833]

I’m a pantser (I prefer “improviser”). That stems from experience as a journalist: when you’re on deadline in a newsroom, you don’t have time to outline or rough draft. You go directly from information to story.

[@clintcarpentier2424]

"Pantser's guide to plodding." Couldn't help myself, that's all I heard when I read the title and I just couldn't shake it. On a serious note, I fail at plotting. I fall right off the wagon and drown my sorrows in world-building.

[@AlyssaMatesic]

I really agree with your advice on the importance of a compelling protagonist! I always tell my clients the same -- ultimately, readers are looking to relate to something in your book, so the more 3-dimensional the protagonist is, the more readers will find in common with them!

[@Stefanias1fan]

I’m between a plotter and a pantser. I know the very basic, major points and the end. But that’s about it. No idea how many chapters, or the estimated word count (I swear this could be anywhere from 20k to 200k and don’t ask how). But my story has flowed the most since outlining less. Before, I couldn’t even reach the third chapter and get the story out. But now? Now I’ve written three chapters in 3-4 days, basically dishing out 2k words daily when before I could barely get 1/10 of that if I was lucky.

[@zeroisland7]

I am a head planner, I create the story idea and then decide where to begin, then write from there. Most of my other novels if I had planned it out completely would have completely failed me. I write ideas to a novel, if I think a concept works, it goes into the novel. Most of my novels would went way off course if I had put a plan together. Example. Book 2 has 49 Australian women in it, however it was never part of the first concept. Book 23 - end up with a girl with 6 fingers, was not part of the plan. Book 6- was to have an occult story line but instead it deals with pets. Now I have started to write book 45, I have the general story line but if I plan it out. I think it would be totally lost by chapter 3.

[@mercy1990]

I'm a panster but I noticed that I will reach a point in my book that I HAVE to sit down and flesh out the plot, which is when I will actually start to outline the book. I know, it's weird, but I can't outline before I start writing the book. My ideas and the story come to me as I write, so I write till I get to a point that I have to sit down and flesh out the ideas and plotline for the book. I'm sure I'm not the only one who does this though. 😊

[@GamingStew]

For me, I know that everything I write down in the outlining process is subconsciously guiding me as I fill in the details later on. Once I've laid the solid creative foundation in the form of the outline, only the details and specifics that fit together with my outline like lego will naturally be attracted to my mind. Any idea that doesn't fit will either not feel right and I'll immediately know it or it won't come at all. In my opinion, to write a masterpiece, you need to start general and get more and more specific as you go.

[@RogerFordTheSmilingBassHole]

Excellent video! I'm a pantser by inclination. But that tends to make me wander and write a LOT of content I never use or need. I've had instructors advise outlining, but that idea always makes me dizzy and confused. So thanks for giving me a simplified way to do it! I'm working a lot on "pre-writing" for my current project to make it easier, smoother, and stronger. Thanks again!

[@MrNyathi1]

First time I wrote a full-length first draft, I pantsed. Not entirely, because I had some idea of what I wanted where. But I also put stuff in as I went. And wrote scenes as I felt like writing them. But I was determined to have the phases of the moon be realistic, not new moon and then full moon a week later. But the setting meant that the phase of the moon had a huge influence on how light the night was, and that really affected what could happen in the story at that time. If you're breaking someone out, you don't want full moon, or total darkness. This then affected pacing. But certain events had to happen soon after other events, while in other cases, a longer period had to elapse for the development to be plausible. Let's just say, it became a highly frustrating and ultimately insoluble puzzle trying to make the different storylines line up with each other and with the moon, especially because I had chunks missing from the middle of some of those timelines. I really urge anyone who's tempted to try what I did, don't.

[@georgeafton3460]

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I am a 13 year old who loves to write and think about stories. This is great way to start my horror/sci-fi story!

[@chelseasmith1918]

I am a pantser, but will plot once in a while, never really following a structure. Your advice is SO helpful, thank you for all you have done!

[@Aiyvas]

As a preface, I write for fun… and I am absolutely a “pantser” (never heard that term till now but I digress) Ever had that feeling you’ve read this book before? That you can see what the protagonist is going to do before they do it? The “three act structure” and that “inner conflict narrative” is why. (It’s especially popular in YA) And hey if that’s you, go for it. Nothing against you or your writing. There’s big pros to it. It’s familiar and safe and marketable. Is definitely not me… but I write for fun. My work may never have more than friends read it. And I enjoy the rewriting. It’s an adventure of learning more about my characters. Not that what I’m writing can’t be broken down roughly into three acts or that my characters don’t deal with emotions but they’re not what the story is about. Many great novels have a protagonist that changes very little if at all. Serials are a great example. You don’t have to read Hardy Boys in order; they practically reset at the start of each book. And if that’s not haughty enough for your taste; Agatha Christie’s Inspector Poirot, Ian Fleming’s James Bond, and to some degree even Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes. Their stories are often more about the events and people around them than the protagonist themselves, much less their emotions. The protagonist simply serves as a vehicle. So if you’re feeling confined, don’t be afraid to break the chains, that’s how great art is made. Some food for thought.

[@mianguyen1388]

i don't make outlines, i just write a lot a lot a loooootttttttt of comments on my story as i go so i can jot down ideas and not get insanely bored with the material of my story...

[@mads8108]

This is... You literally make my process thousand times easier by this comment and I can't belive that I didn't think of that 😂😂

[@kaylajames9334]

Like how?

[@emmascustomcloset]

I just plotted an entire short story for the first time and I am in love. I've never been able to plot before because it just bored me, but now I just want to plot everything I write

[@denikoatay]

I used to be a pantser struggling with the same story for more than two years. Thanks to your awesome videos I am a happy plotter who has *just* finished her first novel in less than a month!

[@hecate2029]

I just finished outlining a book that I've been struggling to put to paper for the last five or six years. I can count on one hand how make times I've felt this accomplished. Thank you so, so much for making these videos!

[@rowan404]

I still don’t think this will work for me. Maybe I’m on the extreme end of pantsers, but I didn’t even know what my protagonist’s misbelief was until I was writing the 3rd act and realized she was overcoming it before my eyes. Only looking back did I see a full character arc in my wake. Even after I discovered your channel and learned about the desire, fear, and misbelief formula, I couldn’t identify hers. A few months later, I finally figured it out and felt so relieved. Prior to that, I feared that I would have to restructure my protagonist to better fit your structure, which would’ve felt awful because she’s been one of my comfort characters since high school. Now that I think about it, I think my problem is a rather unique one that may even be specific to this book: *My protagonist and I share a misbelief.* Thus, it took me years of therapy to even _consider_ her thought process as wrong, and I didn’t have therapy until I was 2 years into my manuscript. It has now been 4 years since I started that manuscript that was originally a Wattpad crackfic about the Area 51 Raid, and thus, I had no idea would ever need proper planning. I owe this all to my mom for seeing its potential and encouraging me to make it into a novel and my yearning for the summer of the Area 51 memes and my childhood dog still being alive.

[@NinjaPenguin1108]

I'm usually an outliner but when I get hit with creativity, outlineing kinda kills that mood so this is perfect

[@stephenlogsdon8266]

I do what I call a trailing outline, because basically most of what you’re saying is already in my mental outline for the project. Basically it’s a list of characters and their attributes so as to not get confused as I continue to write the story. I should be better at it, filling in more detail, but it works. Thats my pantser story. Oh … I also create a document for each character POV, and don’t write from beginning to end, all with the mindset that they will be intertwined later.

[@shanthi4855]

My problem with plotting is once I'm done the basic outline portion I get to writing the first draft. Later on I feel like there is a lot I want to change but to do that I'll have to also change major details. It just makes the whole process messy.

[@jocelynjacob5102]

same here!

[@katido7893]

I had this problem too. But now I write down the major points start the first draft and change things if i feel like it. Sometimes I have to start again but the process is more fun for me like this.

[@AbbieEmmons]

You can definitely make big changes to your outline!! More rewriting for sure, but sometimes it's worth it. set your creativity free 👏

[@ritsam2001]

One suggestion, is having two outlines. The first outline is your first draft and the second will take the parts of the first that are needed, but not the unwanted parts. But if you ever want to add or change it again, but will end up having another messy plot change, go ahead and make another outline. It gives freedom of creation, without destroying the original.

[@opalfenwick3953]

Marissa M, that is brilliant. Will try. Thanks :D

[@HolliMcCormick-l5j]

A little late to this video - but I am figuring out I think I am in this middle ground. I started writing what I thought was a little erotica short..but as I started writing as it was coming to me started to become this historical fiction (still in the erotica genre 🙂) weaving biblical mythos time with present day. So then needed to start outlining and have had so much fun diving into the character's personality/character development and figuring out how to plot essentially 4 characters (the two from biblical/mythos time show up in present day, so similar but also different characters) so I could see it all together. I created essentially your bullet point this morning but in a Sheet version so I can put all 4 characters together and see where things diverge or where they overlap. I only wish I didn't have a job and could work on this ALL DAY every day. It feels like it is burning to get out of me!

[@ravenbrinkley664]

Thank you so much for this video!! I'm a recovering blocked pantser, wanting to take up plotting so I don't get writer's block again. I'll admit my first attempts to plot with your other videos overwhelmed me, but this one helped me sort out my thoughts beat by beat. It reminds me of how I fool myself into writing a paper by starting with a bullet point outline. Now, I want to flesh out this skeleton even more with your other intense plotting videos.

[@LittleDergon]

I know I'm 3 years late here, but holy heck if this didn't just save my story! I had a tangled mess of a plot that I had no idea how to fix because any outline I wrote ended up being a novel in itself 😅 Using the outline you gave as an example, I've finally made sense of it all 🥰

[@3Diva]

"Story is not about what happens. It's about how what happens affects and transforms the Characters." Wow, you are so right! That's why so many movies today are just so forgettable. They focus more on these big events happening and not as much on how what's happening affects the characters and they often lack that "journey of change". I have been very dissatisfied with so many movies over the past few years, almost always preferring older movies, and I couldn't really put my finger on WHY until I realized that we just don't get much of an emotional connection to most of the characters in many of the movies today. So I have trouble actually caring about what happens to them because they often don't take the time to help the viewer make that emotional connection to the characters. Particularly a lot of the "big-budget Hollywood blockbuster" type movies. But you really spelled it out and perfectly articulated the reason why many of those movies feel so empty and forgettable.

[@laylassong2377]

Using this has gotten me farther than I ever have gotten in my writing before. I thought I was a pantser but when I wrote without plotting I always gave up because I never knew where the story was going. Now I have a full written outline and I am so grateful for you and your videos. I always quit so early on but this has really helped me. Thank you.

[@trtlphnx]

Your Nail Polish Accentuates your Eye Shadow and Your Eyes!!! Wow, No Wonder You Pay Attention to Detail!!!

[@Delta9Church]

I've tried to be an outliner, but I always end up with way too much. No joke, last time I had an outline that consisted of over 200,000 words and is becoming a roleplaying campaign setting instead of a story. I get carried away. So now I allow myself 2 pages of hand written notes.

[@treyaghosh1679]

The three act story structure which Abbie mentioned, I immediately thought of The Lion King when she started explaining it. It is one of the best character growth movies in Disney. It shows the hard journey of Simba from the time his father died till the time he confronts Scar. He has to face his greatest fear when Scar reveals to his family that he killed his father. But, there is that 'aha' moment when Scar tells Simba that he actually killed Mufasa. This leads to Simba's misbelief breaking into shards and finally pursuing his goal by pushing Scar off the cliff. Not only his fear is broken, but also he fulfills his wish of becoming king after his father. We see that Simba grows from a partially immature cub to a lion king who proudly has his own beliefs. I'm sorry for the amount of words, but I just couldn't help stating this example! And thank you Abbie, your videos are so helpful. To be honest, I am a pantser. I literally had no idea of this 3 act structure before, though we all subconsciously admire it in most books and movies. I'm going to use it in my story soon!

[@TheTewjr]

I'm kind of an in-betweener. I draw up a basic outline, start writing, and then one of the characters takes over the plot! Usually it's not the main plot, just a sub plot that kind of branches off on its own and inevitably makes the story much, much better. I love my characters!!!

[@katesansom3841]

I’m a pantser and do best when I’m just sitting and writing. But, I do also get ideas of events that I write down and work toward.

[@ginijudd2079]

Oh my heavens. I have just plotted my project for NaNoWriMo. I've never plotted anything before--and I have a drawer full of half-finished novels to prove it. Thank you, Abbie, for making this so straightforward!

[@rebekahkier5563]

Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you There are literally no words to describe how happy I am to see this video come out (literally right when i need it oh my gosh)

[@ariesmarsexpress]

The issue is even if I have an outline, 30 minutes later, the story becomes something else and I completely ignore the outline. Here is the best way to use an outline if you are a pantser. After you finish for the day, run the whole thing through your trusty AI, have it create an outline for you (have it create scene parts), print the outline, put it on your desk. Now you have something to keep the coffee cups stains from getting on your desk. lol Also, also, if a family member drops by, you can show them the outline and say, "I am so sorry, but I don't have time to talk", while pointing to the outline.

[@גרשוןפרלמן]

I always feel inspired viewing your writing suggestions. Even before the end of your short presentations, I'm re-invigored to return to my manuscript. Maybe something you didn't think of, but thanks.

[@Michelle-pt7ly]

Your plotting template is SO helpful. I used it a couple of weeks ago to plot a second draft. I love how you give contemporary fiction examples because I find a lot of plotting templates and advice are more geared toward plot heavy books. My characters are what creates the plot and prior templates have usually confused me.

[@OdelinSerrano-zu5fo]

Girrrrl, you are the ONLY PERSON I visit for clarity. You videos are gold for me. Any time I have a problem with my ideas, I RUN To you. Thanks, kid, you are fantastic. And cute, too.

[@robertdonnell8114]

First book pantsed, worked good, second book pantsed, got 1/3rd quit. Doing an outline & will take that third and use what I can. This was helpful.

[@lydireads9581]

I think I am definitely on a journey to becoming a plotter, thanks to your videos :). It pushed me to try plotting and after I did, I felt like I fell a lot deeper in love with my story before and wile I was writing it than when I just went into it pretty blindly. It is definitely a lot more motivating to me and now I can feel more confident in my desire to be a writer.

[@KaylaORiley1996]

So I’m new at the writing thing BUT - I’ve learned that I’m a solid pantser with ocd haha I’ll write the book/story. Let it rest. Read it through. Find holes, issues, places where characters need development. Vague outline in a word doc to see it concisely. Go back and add/cut/replace. My brain is weird, sorry lol

[@tejaswinisparthasarathywrites]

I love this! I was feeling lost without an outline but also overwhelmed by a full outline. This will be super helpful! Thanks Abbie❤

[@mikkia-chan2977]

I'm watching this while outlining. I'm a sixteen year old rookie writer and I've got an amazing prompt. However, I was stuck on the first few lines of my prologue. Watching your videos enabled me to think of five chapters worth of content in a single sitting. Definitely trying all these tips.

[@redxiii_]

Hi Abbie, I'm from the Philippines. I have been watching your videos since January this year. I'm writing a screenplay, from my college thesis story. I intend to produce and direct in 2022. It's about a college Engineering musician who is hindered by his mother to pursue his musical exploits. I'm still figuring out the climax since I need to talk to guitarists and musicians. But everything is done as what you have told in your videos. I'm almost done. I want to thank you for your videos I was able to write a good plot. From Meet Cute, to Scene Cards, to this video, I have watched your channel over and over and over again. What I do is I write verbatim how you say it and read it and keep it for future references. Thank you so much, Abbie. You are a BIG HELP

[@hellowinter8346]

As someone who hates plotting and struggles to organize, this is wonderful. THANK YOU.

[@LaughingWonders]

This video helped me soo much thank you! Sadly I'm a pantser. I've been doing it that way for a long time, until I realised that I wasn't finishing my stories because of my pantser problem. This is gonna help me write my new story that's called "Shadow Run" it's a fiction and I'm hoping to make it a novel someday and become an author! Again thank you so much for making this video!

[@h.s.s.3881]

My outline is my first draft - that's how I write as a pantser. Then I use the three act structure to revise. Some pantsers have internalized the three act structure so that their first draft already contains the elements of the three acts and they only need to tweak. The value you bring (which one else provides) is the questions to ask about your story and the emphasis on the character arc. Your explanations and analysis of the three act structure are gems; most writing classes and books rattle off the three act structure but never show how to use it with what you are writing. That is the genius in your method! Your videos have been extremely helpful and much appreciated! Thank you.

[@AyrisMoon]

#AskAbbie I understand main characters and side characters, but what if you have a totally new “character” selection, like a made up animal or creature so-to-speak? How would you add these into a book, make sure they fit right and play the important piece into the story, moving it forward? Would you stick to the “side character layout/template” or jot down details? Thank you so much Abbie! I know you’ll do your best with all your questions and I appreciate that! You are so appreciated!!🤍

[@kennedypatton7874]

Try asking K.A. Emmons. She writes in different perspectives with animal characters.

[@AyrisMoon]

@@kennedypatton7874 alright, will do!

[@bagelchickenlegs]

Love this IN THEORY. But I always end up abandoning any outline I've made. (My last project I tried a method similar to this. I ended up with a 3 act story structure, just not the one I originally planned.) It's just more fun to discover everything as the story unfolds. (ESPECIALLY backstory :) And yes, this means rewriting a lot later, but that's what writing means to a lot of pantsers --although it definitely is not the most efficient way, it keeps us writing. I think for pantsers, we're more willing to put in the work on the editing end, whereas plotters invest more time up front. It just comes down to preference :)

[@DragonArt-Z]

Thanks for this video! I never found the idea of a plot outline too constricting, but I'm trying to write my first book, and a full-blown outline seemed intimidating even with your instructions, so a short simple version is helpful.

[@karlayork877]

~ 5:20 "after you get to know your protagonist" Thank you! This is the reason -- at least one of the major reasons -- that I had not outlined to begin with. How could I outline until I knew where my protagonist's story was going, and how could I know that until I got to know her and the rest of the characters better? But now that I'm two-thirds done, I'm trying to go back and get a semblance of outline so that I can remember what has happened when, and also because I need to rearrange the order of certain events (yes, I know; that wouldn't be happening if only I had outlined from the beginning, but how could I know blah, blah, blah,) and I think it's almost as hard doing it afterward than at the beginning. The bare-minimum/flesh it out after getting to know your characters sounds very helpful.

[@EyeBallWritesStorys]

This video was exactly what i needed. I'm currently making a fanfiction and its going to be a trilogy. I wanted to find a way to make a net and organized due to my stories character and plot. Thanks Addie as always for the help and have a great day.

[@mitchellbarton7915]

I don't hate plotting, I just don't know how and have a VERY short attention span. Lol loving these tutorials!

[@felixpetittjr.6472]

Wow! Okay. I really needed this outline. My stories are complex and, yes, the first story kind of does some world building as I introduce my main character. Thank you for this outline. I'll do first story and then see how it differs from the screenplay outline.

[@davidpalmer6954]

I think I'm what I will call a PANTSLINER I do a bit of both, I'll outline (up to a point) then pants some and outline some. I kind of love the creativity I feel doing it that way. Yeh, I've some high numbers on the word score for outlining too... but 30K? I guess it takes all sorts to make a world. Thanks Abbie :)

[@tylibrary5849]

there is a lot of good information here when outlining it helps to allow the mind to tag music that you enjoy as being part of the soundtrack for the story that you want to write a consistent writing style should be used for the duration of the novel, and by syncing your mind to the sound of music it can help for consistency with writing style,, having a consistent writing style can help enable planned story elements made during the outline

[@narcissamalfoy2666]

That intro is literal gold😍it’s awesome and brings such a great message with it

[@afridaamin4309]

I literally love you , nobody in my life has ever given me such a clear direction with spot on instructions to get me through as you did.🎉

[@amandatavares4741]

Abby, you are amazing! You must write your own book on plotting! THE WORLD NEEDS YOU hahaha. No matter how many books I read on the subject, your videos will ALWAYS come back as the most comprehensive and open-minded references. I love your work! Thanks

[@pamdwriter]

Plantser Here, but I lean *heavily* towards panting. Trying to keep an open mind as I learn more about writing. Thanks for the great videos, Abbie!

[@izeugirdor]

How am I, as a pantser, supposed to come up with the answer to those questions BEFORE having written the story? That's crazy! Nobody knows the story, or how it will transpire, until it is written down. That's how pantsing works!!

[@OystersEntertainment]

First step; get out your characters and flesh them out. You might not know what happens but you should have an idea about what type of character you’re going to write. Second; map out their internal conflict if you’re having a problem with figuring out the plot. What is their desire, fear and misbelief. Hone on those three and let it drive their actions. You might already start to see a little bit of your story and not have to worry about where the story is going to end because you have an inkling of the cause and effect flow of the story. And lastly, once you’ve written down your first draft, go back and make editorial and plot changes to better fit your story. Voila!

[@starynightmoonshine]

Thank you abbie! You help lost souls without scaring them away!❤

[@SaraOLN]

I really needed this at the moment for some reason. Thank you, Abbie 🥰! Rock on!

[@NinjaPenguin1108]

Same lol

[@eliseb20]

I laughed when you said: "flying by the seat of your pants" 'cause that is actually me 😂! you described in this video what I'm going through: I realised that I have to rewrite my entire novel....after I finished my first draft (which took a little more than a year to complete) But that's ok because now that I've used your template and outlined my novel, I will be able to use a lot of scenes from my first draft. Thanks a lot Abbie 🤗!!

[@yannickokpara4861]

I do note down important details and create some structure, but I'm definitely a pantser - and I'm happy for it. If I wasn't a pantser, my protagonist wouldn't have walked into his favorite coffee place to talk to a person who is THE quintessential piece in allowing him to stumble, heal, and rediscover himself. There are so many things I wouldn't know about my characters if I didn't allow them to lather my perceptions in gasoline and create a dumbsterfire emitting thick, grey smoke a.k.a character depth. Alright guys, who's with me? 1, 2, 3, Go Pantsers!

[@kaylajames3098]

Amen. Thank goodness I am not a pantser outcast.

[@seananderson7153]

I just wanted to stop by and say thanks. I've been struggling writing a sequel to a story I was a complete Pantser for, After I watched this video yesterday, it knocked loose the ice in my brain that kept freezing me up and I outlined the whole sequel in an evening. It's after midnight now, and I'm going to bed with the wonderful knowledge I have a clear path to follow. And despite my clear plot, I still see lots of room for creativity. An outline is not a prison like I used to think, nor is it a creativity killer. You just need to be mature enough as a writer to realize it. Thanks for helping me take the final steps to this big milestone. From now on, I'll always be outlining in some form or fashion. I'm glad my first story was done as a pantser. I'll always have that victory. But now that I've seen how inefficient pantser writing really is. from start to finish, I'm certain I'll never go back. I wear my new plotter title with pride.

[@husn222-g6f]

I wrote my first story without outlining and although it came out really wonderful, it was so stressful. I don't want to go through that process of having to sit down and bite my fingers while thinking for a long time about what I should write next. So, I want to start outlining, and hopefully, this great lesson would help. Thank you so much.

[@frogingtum.thecrumbling]

Ok, I know I'm late and all that, but I just want to write this down. I love your content. Like seriously. I'm someone new to the art of writing, someone who even left it for a while because nothing seemed to be going right for me. I was overwhelmed, thinking I could never write anything as good as my favourite writers. But something pulled me back in and rekindled my passion for it. It was a seemingly trashy outline my friends sent to me in a group chat. I studied it and saw the potential. I fell in love with the story, the characters, the protagonist. So I wrote. And again, I was stressed and didn't know how to start. I stopped writing for almost a year and here I am again, in front of my screen, dedicating myself to a compilation of words. I didn't know what to do, I wanted to stop, but I didn't. Instead, I went to KZbin. I found KZbinrs who helped me with writing. But I connect with you most. Most of the writer KZbinrs I know have a more professional approach, which really stressed me out, giving me a limited view on this whole story-writing thing. But you're nice. You're understanding and kind. You're a friend. Like those mentors in fantasy books who teach the protagonist new skills, but at the same time, still their friend. And I thank you for that. Now I'm on my third chapter of my book (I wrote at a slow pace a few months ago) and starting another one to refresh myself every once in a while. I'm excited for your next videos so that I can continue to polish my new found skill. I hope I continue to enjoy my writing journey. Sincerely yours, -A young, aspiring writer

[@Ramen_Bean22]

I found out yesterday that I’ve been a Paster my whole life, never really knowing the correct way to write, its really amazing to know this. Maybe I can write my comics now. With more excitement!

[@NataliaPantaley]

I'm in between a plotter and pantser... and your video's helped me a lot! You spoke as if you had been in my own mind. Thank you!

[@ceeceetracey9839]

THIS IS FROM AN INTERVIEW WITH MY FAVORITE (and gifted) AUTHOR - Diane McKinney-Whetstone: Interviewer: Are you a plotter? When you begin writing a book, do you know exactly what the story is going to be? Diane McKinney-Whetsone: I have no idea where I’m going. In fact, generally the place comes first. I know the place, and I’ll have a seed of a character or a very vague sense of what the book is about, but I have no idea where it’s going. I sometimes wish I did. I wish I could follow an outline. With my first novel, I tried to know what it was about at the outset. I quickly learned that’s impossible because as I’m writing, the characters are coming to life on the page and interacting with the sense of place, and then the characters [interact] with other characters, and things happen. If I continue to write with the notion that I know what the book will be about, it has this author-imposed feel to it, like I’m directing. Someone once said, “The story already knows what it’s about. It’s up to the author to discover that and then to render it.” So, that is how I write. It really is a process of discovery. I’m open to being surprised by things. I’m open to being delighted. I’m open to being devastated. Whatever happens, I’m open to it. I think one of the goals of writing is to change the reader, and that can’t happen unless I am also changed in the process, and I can’t be changed in the process if I think and approach [the story] as if I already know it. I’m learning, and I’m discovering [as I write], and that’s okay. I’ve accepted that it’s part of the writing process, and I have huge respect for that part of the process. Because when the novel departs in ways that surprise me, those are often the strongest passages. They seem to come out of nowhere. It’s like a spiritual experience for me, and it doesn’t happen often enough. But with each book, it’s happened.

[@carolynhong8586]

I am a pantser and hate plotting, but I know it's essential for stories structure. Thank you so much for making this video! It's like you read what's on my mind! ❤️❤️❤️

[@OdelinSerrano-zu5fo]

Ps. I'm shooting for the stars, dear, so I'm taking my time writing my masterpiece. Remember my name! You're an inspiration. I'm not settling for anything below Pulitzer.

[@kristinaparker5597]

As a pantser I appreciate the resources you provided.

[@chaoticweeb229]

I don’t think I have EVER focused so hard on a KZbin video in my entire, short life. I love how you keep your explanations short and precise. Not being bombarded with wayward information really helps. I’ve never really cared about developing the plot. I’m more of the character-fanatic myself, and that has always troubled me. Is it really a good idea to write a book just so my nonexistent characters can grow and form relationships with each other? But man, this video’s shown me that it IS in fact all about the characters after all! I always tried to base my characters off the storyline when I could’ve been doing the complete opposite. Thank you so much. No, really. As a young wannabe writer (13 actually), it’s difficult to find content that actually helps someone my age. Seems I’ve found it. The small amount of views on this video is... almost unbelievable! Looking forward to your next upload, will be checking out the in-depth 3-act structure video you linked ❤️

[@juparula]

I woke up this morning and thought, MAN I really need to get my outline figured out. Then I go to you and see what your latest video is. Voila! JUST what I needed! You're the best!

[@juparula]

So I'm here a year later and the same thing is true..

[@Star-ie8br]

7:51 (this is for me) Abbie, thank you so much for all this.

[@hookshot2351]

Learning the craft and cannot begin to comprehend how writers can write from the seat of their pants. Wow! I’ll be a plotter for sure and your insights are invaluable.

[@one-vv2ks]

the ONLY reason i'm watching this is because i have realized part of the reason i can never finish writing a longer story or...anything chapter based, is because i don't have a structure/don't know how to make one that doesn't feel rigid/overwhelming. i never really know how to build my characters but i want to feel like i did my best but it takes a lot to craft a story when you don't have the direction of how you want it to go on paper and it's all in your head. so i end up losing motivation. i'm thinking this could help me since i have a story i am passionate about working on and is a HUGE project that's gonna need research to come out right but i also want to start writing. i've written stories since i was a little kid and i feel like i have to improve the way i go about doing this to make it right.

[@tseritykat404]

I’ve always had trouble outlining and having fun and creativity with it. Very helpful video and thank you for making this One of the best writing advice I have heard from on KZbin

[@artybluegirl]

Abbie you read my mind. Thank you. You were also the only person who made save the cat make sense to me

[@joelmavity1467]

I absolutely despise outlining simply because of school. EVERY SINGLE essay required one to be turned in with it and I never really understood how to make one properly. So they always annoyed me and now I avoid them as much as possible.

[@maiza2380]

people love you Abbie as I got going on the video 2 minutes after you posted it and already there were 20 likes there. I've watched a 15 ish video, recently, 4 times over and over again and I was the only person who liked it through the same hour and it's an international channel so 2 minutes after you posted it and already there were 20 likes impressive.

[@greenyfromoz]

Even when you do an outline by the time you get into it things begin to change anyways, but the outlines still good for the early stages because it gives you more direction then no direction at all

[@NameNotAChannel]

As a pantser, it's mainly because I can't see following the 3-act story structure with so many characters in my book (series). It's going to have at least 3 main characters in the first book who do interact at certain points, but the ensemble cast will all play important parts (we're talking over a dozen perspective characters) and that's all in the first book - 3rd person omniscient. The next book follows a new cast of characters again, on a different planet, in 4 main intertwining paths. I haven't decided if any characters from book 1 will make an appearance, or just be mentioned... depending on how that story ends. 3rd book may include from some characters of both prequels, but I haven't decided which yet (it's like the culmination of the big bad thing happening in book one is finally confronted, and mysteries are finally revealed, and the "why" gives them hope they can stop it all, and a "how".) I'm writing more from the point of the cool basis for what's going on in the story, more than the characters. I don't relate well to characters in books; I care more about what's going on than who's doing what and why. (I have a 41page appendix/glossary already written, and a massive history/setting document that probably rivals your 30,000 word outline.) However, I don't plot ahead, because I don't know how these characters are going to interact yet... and how that'll change what needs to happen. Even changing a conversation can have massive impacts on the flow as I've gone back and re-written/edited stuff... my characters surprise me all the time. (one of the intended bad guys turned into a good guy on me...)