Hyundai Ioniq 5 - 1,000km Challenge USA | Long Distance EV Day Trip

[@vlad2838]

Pleasant and scenic video, Steve! (When you did the Bjørn-style countdown to 1k, I was half expecting a “sheeeit”!) I’m suffering from road-trip withdrawal, and seeing your 1k challenge makes me eager to take my I-5 on a roadtrip in a few weeks. Keep up the great content!

[@plugandplayEV]

Thank you, Vlad, the support is appreciated! Best wishes on your I5 trip. It's a great road tripper and always makes me want to get back on the road, even after jamming out hundreds of miles (with a sleep in between, of course =)

[@gone2plaid772]

Nice time Steve , thanks for the video , only fast charged charged my EV6 GT-Line a few times so far and both times from 14% - 82% took only 17 minutes! Glad you had a safe trip

[@plugandplayEV]

Thanks! The eGMP platform is really solid, especially when it comes to charge rates at med-high temperatures. Next comes winter, which I think could be a bit of a shock for some owners if we don't get any kind of battery conditioning in place. Trips will definitely be a bit slower, just a question of how much.

[@gone2plaid772]

@@plugandplayEV I agree, I heard the 2023’s are coming with pre-conditioning so I would hope we will be getting the software update for it. Time will tell

[@neilfranklin2284]

SOON to be an I5 owner in a few weeks. Love your videos and trying to learn a lot. I like this driving. Most videos people do is driving to get the most out of the battery by keeping the speed down. That is not going to be real for me. I have learned of ABRP and Plug Share. Looks line you are using PS. How does it estimate charging stops with the fast driving or are you just manually picking stops? BTW my I5 limited is Teal/Green also

[@plugandplayEV]

Thanks! It's not for everyone but a little more haste tends to work for us on the Interstate, especially with the I5 getting back on the road so quickly. We're only really using Plugshare to validate that charging locations are working reliably. It's a real-time feed of public EV charging experiences, so it offers the most real-world context about a given location compared to other platforms. ABRP is better for route planning and has far more variables for you to tweak. Plugshare's trip planner is basically a filter to only show charging stations along a chosen route, so it's not going to tell you how long to stay or % charge to target. If you like to have an exact itinerary, I'd say ABRP is the safest bet. If you're okay with adjusting plans on the go, our approach is to pick a few preferred locations along the selected route (mostly based on power, number of available chargers, and Plugshare reliability). You can have back ups and adjust as needed, but the I5 charges so quickly that any location with 150kW will get you to 150-180 miles of range in 20-25 minutes. The car factors in the speed you've been traveling, so the mileage/GOM estimate is usually accurate unless you're about to drive up a mountain or the weather suddenly changes. In normal conditions, plan to charge about 20-30 miles above what you need to reach the next destination and you should be fine, even at high speeds.

[@neilfranklin2284]

Thank you for the information. I understand what my MO likely will be. Use ABRP for planning and likely hit in between chargers using Plugshare.

[@COSolar6419]

We just completed a 1,245 mile trip from Colorado to Idaho and back. Total cost of charging was zero. The Ioniq 5 can go places.

[@plugandplayEV]

The best thing is, it's not even a rare thing to hear this year. Thanks for sharing the trip! How was your experience with Electrify America?

[@COSolar6419]

@@plugandplayEV EA stations were busy on the weekend but not on the weekdays. Twice we had to move to a different dispenser but we were able to charge easily enough. All the sessions were complementary due to a software upgrade underway. That did make the EA app unreliable but essentially it was just plug and charge. Overall a good experience.

[@daviidfm923]

The coolest part of the Ioniq 5 is that charge curve.

[@plugandplayEV]

Although I love the looks too, I'd have to agree. There are shortcomings to the model but the charge curve covers a whole lot of them.

[@wrenchingfool5284]

Nice video. I’ve got a similar video coming on my Ioniq5 and Bolt EUV in a week or 2. I’ve noticed that the best charging speed comes when you don’t use the AC to cool the interior. The Ioniq5 seems to be incredibly good at battery temperature modeling, and if predicts that it won’t be able to keep the battery cool if it charges at peak speeds, it will throttle the charging *before* the battery gets hot. In other words, it adjusts the charging rate *proactively* rather than just throttling after the battery overheats. Using AC for cooling the interior prevents it from running the AC as hard as it wants to (to prevent HVAC evaporator icing) plus also takes some capacity to cool the interior, so it’s a double whammy. I realize that there are some realities that sometimes require running the AC in the vehicle while charging (like when running camera equipment in the car or charging in spots where it’s hot and there is nowhere to go inside), but the only times I’ve seen the temperature throttling you experienced is when running the AC to cool the interior. That includes when fast charging multiple times on a hot day (but leaving the AC off when charging and going inside or opening the windows)

[@plugandplayEV]

Thanks, look forward to watching. Thinking back over our summer travel, most sessions were spent in the car to record and the A/C would have been kept on as it was high 80s/low 90s most of the time. Will need to test more as the temperatures even out in the 60s/70s for autumn. The rationale is sound but it makes me wonder how many owners who prefer to stay with the car would be willing to sweat through a session just to speed up charging a bit. It's already so quick that I'd rather have the cabin comfort, even if that means hanging out for a few extra minutes.

[@anthonyc8499]

Man, you were covering ground at a crazy pace. Not sure I could do that on my own, and definitely couldn’t hold that cadence with a family in the car. I totally understand the desire of people wanting to have EV charging at the same rate as filling up with gas, but as you demonstrated, 15-18 minutes puts you in the awkward position of too long but not enough time. In the Mach-E, I find myself usually charging 20-25 minutes and that’s plenty to get to the next stop or farther. Getting the update to charge faster past 80% was a game changer since there was no time penalty for lingering a few minutes past 80%.

[@plugandplayEV]

It's become an odd inverse of the "old days" of EV driving... the time spent driving is actually quite chill now as the cabin is very comfortable and we always seem to overcharge, so range is rarely an issue. But the time at the charger isn't enough to have a sit-down meal or run a decent shopping errand, so we invariably end up in the car watching the final 20-25% of the charge. Or, if we do sit down, watching the app to see when moving from the spot is required. Not charger anxiety so much as an awkward amount of time to fill in the kind of locations that charge stations are currently placed. That's why I think service plaza chargers with 150kW+ will be a big deal. Just the right amount of time to break, snack, and sit briefly but not enough to do there that you're tempted to hang around. I can definitely see the Mach-E charging adjustment would be a big upgrade. The I5 recalculation between 80-85% is only a brief interruption, but even that can encourage us to unplug and hit the road for another charger.

[@anthonyc8499]

@@plugandplayEV at 3mi/kWh consumption at freeway speeds, you'd need just 12 minutes on a 350kW charger. At that point, you're effectively emulating gas cars. I don't think we're that far away from that happening for affordable EVs and there's going to be a place for that. 150kW is great right now and will remain so for quite some time but to get that same 200 miles, you'd need to be charging flat out for 28 minutes. I think there's going to be a need to split the charging market to charge a premium for 350kW charging vs. lower 150kW pricing to encourage spending from a captured customer.

[@baham9217]

@@plugandplayEV , I think I saw that T/A will be installing chargers at all of their truck stops, which equates to what you just wrote about. I agree, it's a great idea because the infrastructure is already there. There's still the cost of installing the chargers, but the CEO sees that as a benefit. So much easier to stop at a T/A to charge and have the options for eating; bathroom breaks, or a little truck stop shopping. Thanks for the great video. That Ioniq 5 certainly charges faster than the Bolt. I guess I'll have all the extra time that you don't now 😆

[@heribertosarmiento1265]

Miss my beloved state of MA. Keep up the awesome videos

[@plugandplayEV]

Thanks so much! Hoping to get out and about to share more of the state in the New Year.

[@heribertosarmiento1265]

@@plugandplayEV thank you so much I love your video because they show where to charge and is something every state needs. Right now I’m in New Jersey and I notice along the i95 we have charger in all speeds but some towns don’t have any mass charging solutions.

[@Runtythestar]

Another great video! EVs have sure evolved when you can drive longer than your bladder can wait. That was our experience too when we drove Cape Cod to Orlando and back.

[@plugandplayEV]

Thank you! I know some road warriors can crank out 300+ miles without a bio stop, but that hasn't been the case for our fam for many years now. 200-250 is pushing it, so the car almost always has more range than our stops require.

[@PCsandEVs]

Thanks for the video man! Very awesome video as always

[@plugandplayEV]

Cheers, appreciate it!

[@newscoulomb3705]

Good job, Steve. I definitely think these E-GMP cars could get down to around 9 hours for 1,000 km/621.4 mi runs if you can avoid traffic and stick to 10% to 60% charging. Maybe four 10-minute stops is all that's needed.

[@plugandplayEV]

Thanks Eric, I think that nails it. Although the detour and charger faffing played a role, focusing on getting to 80% was unnecessary. With a focus on a lower % or just miles needed +10-15 buffer, I think something closer to 9 would be viable. Even more so in a RWD version of this or the EV6.

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@plugandplayEV Yeah, I noticed your Ioniq 5 is quite a bit less efficient than the RWD EV6 I reviewed. Still, the charging speeds more than makes up for that. Also, thanks for giving a balanced view of the Electrify America chargers, too. I think we're seeing a lot more of the "It stinks!" posts going up when my experiences have been much more in line with yours. Some issues, yes, but overall, the network is very workable.

[@BioniqBob]

You start at 100%, so maybe 3.

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@BioniqBob Maybe in the EV6 RWD (possibly RWD Ioniq 5 too), but something would have to give to get past that 4th stop. It's possible that the better strategy is three ~12 minute stops, but in my experience when traveling 621.4 miles as quickly as possible, charging for only three stops would require hitting close to 65-70% at every stop in a RWD E-GMP car. At 75 mph in ideal conditions, I might have hit 270 miles in the EV6 RWD Wind. However, combine inconsistent weather conditions with a scattered distribution of charging sites, and I would plan for the first stop (on 100% battery) to be no farther out than maybe 240 miles. That leaves at least 380 miles left to go, and recouping ~400 miles (adding in a small margin) in three charging stops is still tough to do without pushing past ~45 minutes of charging time.

[@plugandplayEV]

Better try to test the "Coulomb Method" before the cold weather returns!

[@Jazzy_Waffles]

Thank you for these kinds of videos! I'll be getting an Ioniq next year, so, these kind of tests are very helpful!

[@plugandplayEV]

Excellent, glad it's helpful and hope your I5 comes through without a hitch!

[@ArtiePenguin1]

Neat video, I would love to see a charging test on a CPE-250. Wow, your overall efficiency is quite low at only 2.9 mi/kWh. Thank goodness I'm getting an EV6. I should be able to get about 3.2 mi/kWh at the speeds you were going. Is the brightness on the two dashboard displays turned all the way up? It was hard to see the screens inside. If you don't mind, maybe next time you could max up the brightness just before you start recording a video segment. 27:20 I didn't know the instrument cluster could show dual units for the speedometer, that's really cool! Although I wonder if that's only because you set the cruise control when you had it in miles. How did Highway Drive Assist (HDA) do during this long road trip?

[@plugandplayEV]

Thanks for the feedback, I'll definitely ramp up the brightness of the screens next time out. We were cranking out the miles in this one of course, so speed was higher than usual. On our best days, slotting it into Eco mode and easing back on the mph, we can achieve low 3s mi/kWh, even in the AWD version. But I'd certainly expect your EV6 to be a bit less thirsty. Think the units only showed dual because of the cruise numbers, which we didn't re-engage after switching to metric. I guess that would flick to km as well if so, but will have to try that. More reflections on HDA coming up in next road trip video. Long story short is I only use it on relatively quiet roads, as I find it too ponderous for maneuvering, but my wife loves it and will use it everywhere... maybe I'll ask her to make the video!

[@dennislyon5412]

Steve, interesting that you comment on the stops being too short - something people need to realize when comparing current tech 800v EVs with an ICE car - the EVs have arrived! Glad you’re liking the I5. I may be driving a Tesla Y rental to FL next month, which gets me 2 shots at the infamous 1000 km run. Perhaps I’ll take notes. Cheers!

[@plugandplayEV]

Very nice, Dennis... and please do record results if you can! We enjoyed our Y rental earlier this year but the wintertime temperatures wouldn't have been favorable for a 1k km run. Florida in October seems like a good fit, though! I have to remember that we're coming from five years in a Bolt EV and aligning our travel to ~50kW charging. Naturally, anything significantly faster will make the charging stops feel more rushed. That said, we also watch how others travel and there are often ICE drivers milling around service plazas and/or sitting down to eat. I'd guess that a majority of drivers like to get out every few hours, avail themselves of the facilities, and take 10-15 minutes out of the car. If the vehicle is fueling up while they do so and the five minutes to "gas up" is removed, it becomes a wash for those travelers. Now we just need to get chargers in most of the places they want to stop!

[@dennislyon5412]

@@plugandplayEV - perhaps the Gridserve forecourts and other even more recent attempts in Europe at generating the future “fueling station” will spark some rest stop ideas on this side, or stimulate a twist on the gas station property planning. Pilot / Flying J truck stops adding chargers should be a big boost for travel routes, and if that generates a following, it may promote some competition? I would think that storage battery pricing is now down to a level to where rural charging without demand charges can be possible, and these updates will go a long way toward getting chargers every 50 miles or so, and that redundancy will make people who are “on the fence” much more comfortable with choosing an EV when considering an upcoming car purchase.

[@plugandplayEV]

@@dennislyon5412 I expect to see the truck stop stations start out pretty basic, not unlike those we currently see at the western end of the Ohio turnpike. Hopefully canopies and most likely pull-through given the location, but not much more than a corner of the parking lot branched off for EVs. There's an "EV Discovery Center" slated for central Mass (coming soon on Plugshare) under the umbrella of Noble Energy, which is starting to intrigue me. Nothing is built on the site yet, but the prospect of having anything close to the dedicated Gridserve forecourts in North America is very compelling.

[@tommckinney1489]

Thanks for the video. For comparison, Pre EV, we used to make a 1000km road trip about 4 times a year in our ICE. It typically took us 10 hours. I timed our refuel stops which included bathroom break, getting a snack, and some leg stretching. They ranged from 15-20 minutes, about the same as your charging stops. Bottom line, from my experience, you can make an EV road trip in the same time as an ICE trip.

[@plugandplayEV]

Thanks Tom. That's the thing, the 5-10 minute "gas fill up" is often cited as the benchmark, but it's only one piece of a travel stop. Moreover, it's a dedicated piece of the stop that involves active refueling, where that's all you can do. Meanwhile, 30-60 seconds to activate and plug in starts the passive process of charging, after which the other stop activities can be accomplished at the same time as the "fueling" process. Aside from the hardcore road warriors who want to drive a journey like this with only one combined fuel and fast food to-go stop, it's indeed fair to see that EVs are virtually on a par with ICE trips at this point.

[@plugandplayEV]

Have EVs already reached parity with gas burners when it comes to long-distance travel? Or is the elusive five-minute "splash and dash", coupled with 400-500 miles of range, still the target that EVs have to aim for? Let us know where you stand in the comments...

[@coopie810]

Hey Steve, maybe silly question. This and another one of your videos on the Ioniq 5 slow charging when battery gets too hot. I was wondering if this is a THERMALLY managed battery, why doesn't the software "cool" the battery down BEFORE it reaches that critical temp causing charge speed to fall off the cliff as it were?

[@plugandplayEV]

Sorry for missing this original comment. Think I caught this in my follow up to your email but let me know if not!

[@josegollum]

Merci pour la vidéo !

[@plugandplayEV]

Mon plaisir, merci beaucoup! 🙏

[@BGWenterprises]

With efficiency in mind, Id expect my gen2 Prius to cover 630 miles in about 12/13 hours, With 2 stops. With a cruise speed of 55 id expect 52~mpg. about the same amount of time it would take a auto charging at about 50kw running at a faster speed. Numbers that seem to reflect the Bolts cross country ability. . $4 a gal would be about $50~ each way or about $0.08 cents per mile. $6 a gal $73~ each one way. Or about $0.12 per mile . Just showing the charging speeds are improving a lot over the last few years. 0.01c

[@plugandplayEV]

Interesting to run comparative numbers... this one obviously took the drive faster/charge more approach, but we could slow to 60mph and theoretically get closer to 3.5 mi/kWh. That would give 260+ miles on a charge and get the I5 across in three charge sessions. presumably around 25 minutes for each to get a bit beyond 80% and eke out more range. We'd still be above 10 hours at that speed, but the potential charging costs would come down by about $10-15, given one less DCFC session. In our Bolt, longer stops to higher state of charge definitely make more sense, as the difference between 55kW max charging and the gradual taper to 20kW is less significant than seeing the Ioniq 5 drop to 50kW when it can do 4-5x that by hopping to the next charger.

[@wasabi521]

How do you start a charge through android auto I have the ev6 and don’t see anything to do in the ea app besides navigate and find charger

[@plugandplayEV]

It seems to be location-based, so you have to be near the charger to see the activation options. Once you're in position and parked up, navigate to the location in the AA app and you should see the "Select Charger" button shown in this video.

[@BioniqBob]

Well Done.

[@plugandplayEV]

⚡👍

[@mjsabie8517]

13:13 this means you charged too long at your previous stop. Should have stopped at about 65 instead of going to 80

[@plugandplayEV]

Yep, several areas for improvement on this run.

[@usaverageguy]

What kind of work do you do? That you can take so much time to do these time consuming videos?

[@plugandplayEV]

Independent marketing contractor, primarily written and digital content. So learning the ropes on the video editing side has actually been quite a positive overlap with the day job. Editing is the biggest time suck... weekend all-nighters, for the most part! In terms of making the trips, these are almost always journeys we had to make anyway (family road trips, work meetings etc.), so there's no additional time spent there. Just film as we go and then find time to cobble it all together later.

[@usaverageguy]

@@plugandplayEV Sounds like you have worked out a great way to merge two aspects of your life.

[@irfanhusein1445]

@@plugandplayEV no wonder the quality of content is so good

[@plugandplayEV]

@@usaverageguy Thanks. It works for the most part, but when you see the 2-3 week gaps, the day job and (most importantly) family matters have taken priority. But it's a passion project and always seems to bounce back, so I appreciate everyone who sticks with the channel.

[@plugandplayEV]

@@irfanhusein1445 You're very kind, thank you. The support is always highly appreciated.

[@Unpack]

For 300milage you charged 3 times? that's a lot

[@plugandplayEV]

Not sure I follow you. We did a bit over 620 miles for the trip as a whole. Each charge session of 20-25 minutes typically adds about 150-175 miles of range, depending on the speed of driving, so 300 miles would be two charge stops.

[@Unpack]

@@plugandplayEV Last week, I went on a short trip of 230 miles. With a full tank of gas, it only consumed half a tank, and I didn't need to make any stops or breaks but I did.

[@plugandplayEV]

Sure, but I don't have to spend any time each week filling up with gas... all the "refueling" happens in the driveway overnight. So while you may lose a bit of time on trips away from home a few times a year, you don't lose any to the weekly gas errand.

[@Unpack]

@@plugandplayEV you don’t pay for charging????

[@plugandplayEV]

On Electrify America fast chargers, no. The car came with three years free public charging, but we do of course pay at home.

[@Rhaman68]

Ahhhh, the perennial “fast driving” wasteful, illegal and dangerous EV “driving test.” Is it contagious amongst KZbinrs to do the same thing with different EVs? My 2022 Ioniq delivers 3.8 mikes per Kw at 64 mph and in a comfortable safer way that shown here. Why is it a “challenge?” Driving fast between obligatory stops achieves what specifically? I’ve located several crashed Ioniq 5 EVs up for auction and all of them had front damage, meaning, driving too fast by aggressive owners. Sorry but videos like this encourage people or at least do nothing to change their attitudes about “80 mph ALWAYS” style of dangerous driving. The over 40,000 people killed and millions injured by speeding car crashes each year data seems to be invisible. Whatever it was your purpose to shoot this video escapes me.

[@plugandplayEV]

Drive down the NY Thruway on any given day, you'll see that what we did here was perfectly normal and safe. And based on the speeds we saw on last week's drive in Illinois/Wisconsin (another 3,000+ miles of similarly incident-free driving), this is a relatively sedate example and it's not the EV drivers we need to be concerned about.