PMDG vs ZIBO - Battle of the 737-800｜Drawyah

[@AlexanderGarzon]

The price should be a comparative point here ;) Zibo = 0 $ PMDG = 70$

[@Drawyah]

Oh yeah, definitely had to state that a couple times!

[@mytree3979]

Zibo is kmo better bcs it doesnt fly like a train

[@north-seascoundrel7328]

its free because it uses the default laminar 737 model, which means they cant sell it. so technically to get the default 737, you have to pay 60 pounds. meaning technically the zibo is 60 quid

[@atent5124]

Waffen-SAS but you don’t need to buy the default to get the Zibo. So it is still free

[@GoldNight]

@@north-seascoundrel7328 no actually, $2.37

[@kostastaxi]

ZIBO all the way, because it's not ready yet! continuous updates almost every day and FREE! Already better than PMDG but not ready! That's the point, imagine when ZIBO finished his master piece!

[@BlackPhantom_II]

me from the future: zibo stopped support sadly

[@owenklein1917]

Free ≠ better, objectively speaking. However in many cases, free does equal the better option to buy but it does not determine which aircraft is better

[@gkkes]

Just to note: Your category 1 suggested the Zibo is low Res at only 1080, however, to cater for all systems there are both 2k and 4k cockpit textures provided. Thanks for your review.

[@NichoAir]

8:20 The bug that there isn't the magenta Line, is just there, because you used the XPlane 11.30 Beta, which isn't supported by Zibo yet😉

[@Drawyah]

Shhhhhh. 🤫

[@NichoAir]

@@Drawyah For me the winner is the Zibo, because you get a PMDG Level Aircraft for free.

[@Drawyah]

Very true. It really has picked itself up as of recent and does look rather good too!

[@cpt_anthony]

@@Drawyah now it's even better 2 years later zibo has 100% passed PMDG in systems the acars does not even work on the zibo

[@Arkid77777]

I can’t wait to try the PMDG 737 for msfs

[@noambarzilay7063]

Me too

[@davidmcclean8811]

I have purchased both the Zibo and the NGX. In fact I purchased the NGX twice and the NGX expansion pack. I have only one thing to say. Dollar for Dollar the Zibo is infinitely superior!

[@user-zc9zt2vl5s]

You purchased the Zibo for $0?

[@airborne8102]

nomomrnyeguy Yes Zibo mod is free and comes with a 700,800,900, and now even the 737max

[@heklik]

@@user-zc9zt2vl5s £$0.00 that's expensive 😮

[@highlightshadow]

Magenta line issue is because you reviewed the zibo on a version of BETA x-plane which the Zibo team say they do NOT support yet so that's an unfair It didn't look like you were using the optional 4k texture pack for the cockpit either for the Zibomod as the textures looked way worse than i enjoy daily.

[@Drawyah]

Ah, is the 4k texture pack a separate download? Could you please pass me a link to it?

[@highlightshadow]

@@Drawyah No - it's included in the download... it's in the readme Textures resolution 2k or 4k: (default 2k) ----------------------------- 1/ Delete file "b738.acf" in root installation folder ("B737-800X") 2/ Copy file "b738.acf.2k" or "b738.acf.4k" from folder "ACF_2k_4k" to root instalation folder ("B737-800X") 3/ Rename copied acf file ("b738.acf.2k" or "b738.acf.4k") to "b738.acf"

[@Drawyah]

Once I'm back in the UK I'll give it a go, thanks!

[@highlightshadow]

@@Drawyah And as i mentioned before, you should use X-Plane 11.26 to get an honest comparison. 11.30 is a beta release and the Zibo team have said they know there are issue with it at present they're working on. Zibo mod 3.31d is current for the aircraft

[@ckaviator757]

How could you possibly say that PMDG has better cockpit modelling than the Zibo. The PMDG has little resemblance to the 737 cockpits, so it shouldn't matter if it has a higher texture resolution

[@christopherwoolbright6249]

I've flown both planes. Both have their advantages such as you being able to add split scimitar's on the Zibo, and then you being able to edit the cockpit on the PMDG. It all boils down in my opinion to the Zibo winning my vote by a slight margin.

[@FLYBOY2935]

Even though the PMDG windows are a little large, they are the correct dimmensions. If anything, the ZIBO ones are far too long. PMDG wins in my book.

[@outside7]

Regarding flight dynamics I have to say that landing the Zibo feels much more natural than the PMDG. When you flare the PMDG you feel like flying a glider. If you pitch up a little too much, it will float down half of the runway. That doesn't seem realistic. The Zibo feels more like flying a heavy airliner and also more realistic in general.

[@notchmaster7889]

Some minor mistakes on the texturing side : specular maps are for specular, which is for reflectiveness of the aircraft, and the “shaping the 3d model” is called tesselation, and it doesnt exist in xplane 11. Both if them uses normal maps, not bump maps (bump maps are black and white, while normals can display bumps in r g and b). The advantage that zibo have is PBR (phisically based rendering), which can render metal materials accurately, though this is added in the latest p3d version too

[@leoje1524]

Does the PMDG model have better flight dynamics than the Zibo? the fsx is a great simulator but the XP11 surpasses it in many aspects. the Zibo mod is much better than any FSX mod

[@maltimoto]

I prefer the Zibo because flight dynamics feel better to me in X-Plane. I prefer X-Plane with Ortho in general, so Zibo+XP is a very good combo for me. The quality of the Zibo is really insane for a freeware aircraft.

[@antonov7379]

1 year later, shits drastically changed

[@zarakdurrani7584]

How come?

[@cpt_anthony]

@@zarakdurrani7584 zibo has passed PMDG in system depth 100% the PMDG does not even have acars how ever zibo does.

[@FLYBOY2935]

Basically I have found this. If you adjust the fov, you can actually make the windows of the NGX a more narrow and bring the overhead panel down a bit. Also to help out with tuning, there’s mods that fox some of the flight characteristics. In my opinion, the NGX has the best engine sound. I have heard 737’s takeoff and taxi around at my local airport, and the NGX sure does mock them well. However, I haven’t flown the 737, but after seeing that PMDG put effort into a product by using actual data from Boeing, and even have a license agreement with them, it only makes sense to say that the NGX would be the most realistic.

[@EduardoMCfly]

Could you compare the A2A c172 vs Airfoils labs c172 or the Fly the maddog X vs Rotate sim MD-80?

[@TomSrc]

New PMDG NGXU vs Zibo?

[@loadhaul9320]

Great comparison! I certainly agree with what you said about the flight model, the ZIBO model seems to be very unstable in low winds, up to half the max crosswind limit of the real 737. I definitely dislike the amount of people saying how realistic the ZIBO model operates as opposed to the PMDG model, as many say in real life the 737 is a very stable aircraft and shouldn't be hard to control in some lights winds.

[@sturvinmurvin9408]

Great comparison.

[@user-zc9zt2vl5s]

You can really tell how old everything looks in P3D when comparing the 2 back to back. Wow didn't know X-Plane looks so much better overall. I think it's time I switch. The photoscenery on P3D stutters badly and looks terrible. Everything looks so sharp and the lighting on X-Plane looks a lot better. Great comparison.

[@Concodroid]

It would be rather unfortunate if this comment was posted on June 8th, 2019

[@WolfAir737]

Please, please, _please_ do NOT use ANY beta because it creates more problems than there are and gives a dishonest comparison. The audio is broken, the magenta line was missing (although both fixed now), and other issues make Zibo look less good. While PMDG, you only have access to stable version and therefore has far fewer issues. I have to also mention that there's an option for 4k textures (via acf_2k_4k folder and using 4k acf) which looks very crisp and far nicer than pmdg in my opinion. It also depends on your texture settings, so maybe you should check that too since that's one driving factor of x-plane's internal texture resolution limits. While you did mention the PBR implementation in Zibo is nice, your clips didn't seem to show that off. You should try angles that show the sun reflections or angles where it reflects the scenery since that's where it _really_ shines. It could be your reflection settings, I'm not sure, but I think there could have been an improvement there. With those out of the way though, I really liked your comparison. You gave fair minds and fair chance to both products, showed the pros and cons of both sides, and concluded with almost every conclusion of two products' comparison: it depends on what you want. While comparing an aged paid product to a free new product may be a little apples to oranges comparison, you did a really good job on it! Keep up the great work :)

[@VirtualAviationAviator]

After XP12 stabilizes you'll have to rehash this comparison using MSFS.

[@joefrazer9357]

Everyone says that Zibo is better because it's cheaper. That doesn't make sense. It's still better regardless of the price! Also you also say the physics are better yet the Zibo flight model is fucking terrible Also please review the NGXu

[@CJ-ox4zv]

talks about low textures when he is on like low textures on the sim

[@branimirfilovski8388]

Nice and interesting comparison! PMDG also seems more realistic to me.

[@albomaa]

There is the 4K version of the ZIBO

[@henrywallace3563]

You said the Zibo textures were not that good, and then you said the pmdg textures were so detailed it is scary, but then you show how all of the labels and writing is blurry and knobs and switches are angular and jagged. I'm sorry but the pmdg just looks dated

[@Drawyah]

This video compares the original NGX and Zibo before the 4k stuff came out. Expect an updated video on this very soon!

[@henrywallace3563]

@@Drawyah oh okay thanks! Will look forward to that

[@Henry-vc2np]

Well pmdg would win (as it is payware) normally all freeware is meh but Zibo have done a very good job and I am impressed how close it was to pmdg

[@Drawyah]

Payware doesn't always mean quality. There are a fair few low quality add-ons out there that you need to pay for.

[@ruggerorandisi7785]

What the X in 737-800X Zibo stands for? Is it a MAX or it’s still a NG?

[@Drawyah]

Still an NG.

[@ruggerorandisi7785]

@@Drawyah oh great thank you

[@carbonaspect9330]

What do you use to record FSX? I am trying to look for a free to use program.

[@Drawyah]

I personally use Bandicam which you do need to pay for, but OBS I use on my streams can also record, and is more than suffice. Just remember to launch it as admin!

[@carbonaspect9330]

Drawyah alrighty! Thanks!

[@ЕгорБ-в6ц]

I like xplane external lighting. It is quite gorgeous.. But I don't like interior lighting at all. So my choice: prepar3d

[@tigermousedesign4356]

@4:50- that's NOT how specular mapping works.... the meaning of 'Specular' is "to relate to or take on the properties of a mirror"....ie. glass (think also 'Spectacles'). Both platforms use normal maps to define panel line and panel height. specular controls the intensity of the reflected light... P3D uses Normal/Spec (Normal maps being the correct name for 'Bump Maps') while XP11 uses a tangent based combined Normal workflow... in FSX the RGB are flipped around to minimise texture artifacts on the normal, in Xplane the Alpha of the combined normal controls the specularity while the textures are uncompressed to save them from compression... put clearly the way XP11 textures work is the Red and Green channels of an image control the Normal while the blue controls the base reflectance... the alpha channel can control the roughness if configured to do so... developer.x-plane.com/... please... research your wording! as a Flight Simulator Texture artist of many years involved in everything from FS2004 to P3D, Xplane and DCS world it kinda irks me when people talk about it without looking more in depth or researching. bit of a rant but i needed to clarify this false statement

[@fifabeast6788]

No way PMDG has better flight dynamics. I have a 738 friend who has been a F/O for around a year and he has told me Zibo is far far superior.

[@Eyskapz]

Have you tryed the ngxu

[@castilloz7886]

Could you do zibo vs default one

[@nickgresla234]

PMDG has better extra features

[@carlovo2035]

PMDG better dynamics than XPlane... LOL you do not know what you are talking about! Go fly a real 737 and you will automatically find out!

[@Drawyah]

I never said X-Plane has terrible physics, I know the insides and out of Blade Element Theory. What I said was with its current flight model, the Zibo does not fly like a 737 with the issues I labelled in that video. I don't have access to a 737, but I have flown a light aircraft. I have a basic understanding of real-world flight dynamics.

[@conekiii4211]

Drawyah uhmmm u have no idea what ur talking about pmdg 737 struggles to react to wind😂😂

[@outside7]

Drawyah PMDG feels like flying on rails. Zibo feels more like a real plane.

[@rangelso]

pmgd 737 would be great if run on xplane

[@RaY_77W]

Does he know there is a 4k zibo???

[@Drawyah]

This video was made a couple of years ago, long before the 4K version released.

[@RaY_77W]

Tru...

[@Eyskapz]

Ngxu is a big improvent beter windows glareshield shadows lighting etc

[@CAL1MBO]

Visuals and flight modeling is better with Zibo. Oh yeah and it doesn't cost $90.

[@FLYBOY2935]

Both of these aircraft will never fly like the actual thing. Those multi-million dollar CAE simulators pilots get their ratings in don’t get it exactly spot on.

[@Thom3302]

What do u use for your clouds?

[@Drawyah]

In FSX I use REX Soft Clouds, in X-Plane 11 they are default.

[@Pilot_Finn]

What are you talking? Zibo is so much better than PMDG! PMDG ist so bad textured...... the Model is okay , but ZIBO is Studylevel and one of the best b737-800 for all Simulators..... The Sound of the ZIBo is so great, the Modeling and Texturing in the ZIBo is so much realisticer....

[@RN_SX]

well just to say zibo is better cause its free i wont spend money on complete trash but when you can get a way better model than the ng thats the zibo

[@dimitrisvlachodimos3393]

Much appreciate your time spend for the review but i think that you have it all wrong. Those planes are incomparable. I flew for 15 years in fsx and currently using xp. PMDG IS A GAME. ZIBO IS A SIMULATION. To say the list.

[@matejmihalik848]

"PMDG IS A GAME. ZIBO IS A SIMULATION" No just no... Listen dude i also prefer zibo over pmdg but you are just wrong on sooo many levels.

[@FrameGame1]

ah yes the zybo

[@bigalexg]

Drawyah - like your videos and I've watched several now - good insights, analysis, knowledge etc and you obviously put some real effort into it but there is one fairly significant fault, that is however easily correctible - you inexplicably seem to runyourwdstogever every so often. Itasifu just simply lose the patience to clearly enunciate or else decide to switch back and forth between two very different word rates. This may not be an issue for you in real life but real life is no guide for how to speak on youtube (can't see the mouth moving, uneven and sometimes poor audio quality, compression etc) In fact this effect may not even be manifest in real life where very fine distinctions between sounds are more detectable and where your speaking style might really work quite effectively. I have many years of public speaking experience and would not say this to you if I did not feel sure of my opinion. There might be a pattern here in the difficulty you may naturally have with particular sounds or not but in any event fixing it is simply a matter of pretending your listener is one the other end of a poor phone connection and you have to give clear and precise word separation - it's a bit of an effort at first but with a little practice it becomes second nature in no time. Best wishes. Alex G

[@goklerintitanigi3058]

Zibo is free though :)

[@metadera]

PMDG without doubt. (I am flying the 737 in real life )

[@composer318]

Entebbe to Dubai flydubai x plane 11 pls

[@nizarrazzouk9385]

Zibo

[@oxysz]

Just off the base simulation and engine why do people still play fsx? It’s older less optimized and just ugly compared to xplane. Is it just because people have a lot of time and money in fsx already ?