Pocahontas If I Never Knew You Rough Edit

[@Guernicaman]

I love to see complicated pencil tests like these. You can truly appreciate the great draftsmanship that often times gets lost in the final version.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Same. NGL the pencil sketches actually look kinda better than the finished product tbh

[@Jal8919536]

The guy who supervised John Smith's animation was Bluth animator John Pomeroy who animated Jenner, Nicodemus, and the Great Owl in "The Secret of NIMH", and animated Penny in "The Rescuers", John Clayton in "Tarzan", Milo Thatch in "Atlantis".

[@feathernoteproductions3538]

Interesting.. very interesting..

[@xs0528]

That’s Clayton’s first name?

[@skyehare4]

Sometimes you just gotta sit back and wonder how they create such amazing things like this... ^^

[@Art_of_Hoens]

I really dont understand WHY they cut this scene, it would be almost the most beautiful scene of all disney scenes :o !! i really get tears in my eyes from this scene!

[@ChaoticButterfly]

Because it was considered "too late" in the movie for an establishing love song. They were worried that children would get bored from it, or something like that, too.

[@ClassicGamer9044]

@@ChaoticButterfly honestly that's a pretty stupid reason to cut the song from the movie 😡

[@josterio2.071]

Three words Kids Test Audience

[@CALJ154]

@@ClassicGamer9044 Change that scary image to *WAKKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!*😡

[@marybright710]

Wow, he sounds even better in this version.

[@SpiderandMosquito]

Cause he was probably actually sober at the time. If that's actually Gibson singing

[@jamessparkman6604]

@@SpiderandMosquito This is restored in the Pocahontas dvd

[@kristinahuchison2511]

I disagree. I actually like the original version better. This one sounds a little funny

[@luvread]

I prefer THIS Mel Gibson vocal track over the one on the 2005 DVD.

[@Maria_Efe]

I would love to watch Judy Kuhn Mel Gibson recording session of the song!

[@rmaccari]

im crying, Pocachontas and John Smith foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[@skyeswe95]

What a stunning scene! Can't believe they chose to cut it out.

[@samuelboyd9079]

Wow, Mel Gibson sounds wonderful here. There's a bit too much 'acting' in the DVD version which sort of roughens up his timbre, but this is great. Fingers crossed this is included on the legacy edition of the soundtrack! :)

[@darthkurland]

***** Not to worry. It will be.

[@SSlovebird]

Samuel Boyd I agree, and I kind of wish they would've kept this track, instead of changing it for the DVD version.

[@darthkurland]

Music by Alan Menken Lyrics by Stephen Schwartz Performed by Mel Gibson & Judy Kuhn ©️1995 Walt Disney Records

[@caltexbhb]

Love this song and Mel gibson's singing. brings tears to my eyes. This was one of my favorite movies out of the new Disney movies

[@FallingSilverLeaves]

it's so beautiful it's almost painfull to listen to

[@Gemini053]

I would have loved to watch the entire movie like this.

[@freerefills589]

57 to 1.31 is so beautiful each frame is like a work of art. Plus it looks like Glen Keane did most of those frames, no surprise there. :)

[@Lilalaunemary]

So beautyful! Thanks for uploading!

[@cartoondoggy]

Oh man, you're right. This should have made it into the film.

[@LongFingered]

augh WHY did this not make it? it was beautiful!!

[@25thivy]

WOW.. I cant believe this was cut from the film... It's amazing ! Shame, shame, shame..

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Hey, did you know Part of Your World wasn’t supposed to be in the movie?? It was originally going to be just the reprise and Ariel was supposed to have a song about how desperately she wanted Eric specifically. She didn’t really have an interest in humans in general. I think without that song, Ariel wouldn’t have been so popular and would’ve come off as boy crazy and giving up everything just for a guy.

[@DisneysMichaelProfit]

It's high school all over again 😢😢

[@yellowRose806]

I remember watching this segment when Pocahontas first aired on television on ABC in the 90's.

[@MrGabeanator]

So it did air on Abc thanks

[@ilessthan3youx27]

I can play this on the piano. I was asked to play it at a wedding. I love this song

[@sakuuram]

Why didn't they keep the scene where Pocahontas see's the reflection in the water and its her and John!

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Why didn’t they keep the song altogether?? But yeah the part she sees her reflection and him kissing her hand melts me. It shows how she gave her heart to him and how much they truly love each other. I’m sorry, but this scene alone is waay more intense than some of the popular love moments from Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast or Aladdin.

[@isaackinne1971]

I LOVE this song! I wish it stayed in the final film.

[@sylvia0851]

For those who love this song. Never ever watch the second movie!!!!!!!!!!! I did and I wish I could take some magical tablet that makes me forget that second Pocahontas movie.

[@ShiutzuWazawai]

My sister and I agreed that there is no second movie...

[@feathernoteproductions3538]

amen.

[@ChaoticButterfly]

I love this song, but I also love John Rolfe. >_> Wish I could've seen him in the nice formal, Theatrical style animation, though.

[@ChaoticButterfly]

@@whythough9753 "heck no." what?

[@StarryStarryNocturne]

I think the sequel was Disney's response to the backlash from people that pointed to the real John Smith's awfulness as a person. It's stupid really. They should've avoided basing this lovely film on Pocahontas and just made it a fictional world with two fictional characters, because the animation, music and message is all incredible and worth people's attention. Backtracking and trying to erase what was achieved with the two main characters in the original with the sequel didn't do either movie any favors.

[@MrGabeanator]

They shouldn't have cut this

[@xs0528]

Ya.

[@MrGabeanator]

@@xs0528 ok

[@doodlegirll]

They were definitely kissing. In the the new animated version, we see that just as the two end their duo, right before Nakoma interrupts, they are leaning in towards each other, and had Nakoma not stepped in, this little roughy probably would have made it in. Personally, I wish it had. It would have just...added to the already large bonfire of emotions. But, eh...

[@feathernoteproductions3538]

Im going to take a screenshot of this comment and put it on my wall m8 xD

[@kristinahuchison2511]

I disagree. I think keeping the almost kiss adds to the pain when Pocahontas is forced to leave, and John simply tells her he’ll always be in her heart. Having both this kiss and the hand one is too cheesy imo, and just having the hand kiss adds to the pain of not getting to actually kiss her one more time, so he kisses her hand instead

[@Miawff]

In the second film she's like LOLJK.

[@StarryStarryNocturne]

Second film? There's no second film.

[@MakiaLink]

oh my god this was beautiful! like--- literally I started choking up!

[@feathernoteproductions3538]

RIGHT WHEN THE MUSIC STARTED PALYING I CRIED

[@DragonPrincessAoife]

@KitsuneWolf85 Apparently, during the test audience viewings, the little kids (and let's not forget, this is some of the main audience of Disney) got bored with this song, I guess they wanted to get pack to the 'exciting' stuff, so they cut it. But everyone else responded so well to it that they put it back, thank god.

[@falcolf]

WTF? Wow Disney, cutting this was really fail! This was top notch amazing!

[@srhew6116]

I'd love to have seen this scene in the movie.

[@kmilinhathebest33]

It's so amazing!! I'm Brazilian, and I wat to see this film on this version very much! It will come only in July in my country! But I will wait to see!

[@raveseesstars]

Eh, the only reason they cut it was because in 1995 they had a special showing in Central Park for about 100 adults and kids. And during this scene, like, all the kids were like 'this is boring,' so they cut it. I want to know what drugs those kids were on, 'cause as a kid, I would have loved this xD

[@feathernoteproductions3538]

Im a 12 year old kid and I think dis it lit

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Same. I didn’t watch a lot of Disney movies growing up, but this song’s more gentle and slower tone kinda reminds me of the Spirit soundtrack, which all the songs were masterpieces and very underrated. I think I would’ve loved this song as a kid. Such a shame the main reason it got cut was because of stupid kids getting bored, considering the more mature and serious tone of this movie

[@candyflosskiller]

WHY DID THEY CUT THIS?!?!? it's such a beautiful song!

[@waitingforbagels]

*dies* I LOVE IT

[@Kagami101]

The old version is the "Gold Collection" DVD and does not have this song. It IS available on the 2-disc "Tenth Anniversary" edition that is currently available.

[@xs0528]

Mmm-hmm, check.

[@kmilinhathebest33]

It's so amazing!! I'm Brazilian, and I wait to see this film on this version very much! It will come only in July in my country! But I will wait to see!

[@BooBop1987]

Wow!

[@MrGabeanator]

awesome

[@LucasZeb]

Both Keane and Pomeroy are amazing.

[@MrGabeanator]

yep

[@murdocslover97]

They should add this scene

[@samcotten2416]

Really good song - they never should’ve cut it.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

🎶 If they never cut this song 🎶 😂

[@PirateOfTheNorth]

omg why did they leave this out!!!

[@EmmanuelleLunada2010]

I wonder if this scene was initially planned to have no score at the beginning of this scene, due to it not having any score at all.

[@CALJ154]

I wonder that, too.

[@MsLovelyLonely]

nope see had they put that in the movie i would of been BAWLING

[@EHH246]

But this and future Disney films were victims of executive meddling. Thank you Lasseter for bringing back 2D!

[@JetHawk]

Well, I was a kid in 1995 when this movie came out and I dont think I would have gotten bored. But then I remember kids in my elementary school would request the teacher to skip the singing part if we were shown a Disney movie on a school day. Oh well, we were all just a bunch of dumb kids anyways. The adult animators wanted this in the film, but I guess the kids got their way.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Same. As a kid I never really payed attention to the story or songs, but I was mesmerized by how beautiful Colors of the Wind was on the Lion King VHS. I think if this song stayed, Pocahontas would’ve done a lot better instead of people complaining about historical accuracy.

[@McPorkyCheese]

To any artists here on KZbin, what type of HB pencil do you recommend when drawing quick sketches like the animators use (mostly for making animations) I remeber Glen Keane saying they are very soft and just glide on the paper. I just need the naaaame. I've been dying for one of dem pencils all summer long!!

[@AthleteESM807]

So yes, they don't go with history, but that's why its fiction! It's not suppose to show what exactly happened. I personally love the old school Disney films like Pocahontas.

[@IDONTFEELNOPAINNOMO]

In 1998 abc showed this.

[@YourOasis97]

aww *tears*

[@Kagami101]

I heard about that. I wonder if anybody has a copy. I think it is lame that Disney is still showing the 1995 cut when they did that brand-new video transfer about five years ago.

[@CartoonJessie]

Interesting to see this. ^^ I just love this song. I think it's such a shame to be cut from the original movie! I bought the DVD like... two months ago... But apparantly that song isn't on it. *curses* I think it was an old DVD or something! I thought it would be on there... But I was mistaken.

[@sakuuram]

Why they didn't keep this ??? It's so nice

[@DisneyFan16672]

^True, but I think it still would have been nice to include the 10th Anniversary Cut as an option (along with the full Audio Commentary which on the Blu-ray edits out the creators' joy in having the number back in the film). I would have preferred having both edits of this beloved film over the DTV sequel, in my opinion....

[@murdocslover97]

I love this scene if they ever resell it like some of the Disney movies

[@xs0528]

So this song was recorded a long time ago, but the final animated wasn’t entirely finished until 2005 DVD release.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Nope! It was actually in the masterpiece edition of Pocahontas. Its the one which has the original poster for Pocahontas instead of the regular VHS cover. I actually own an unopened copy! It was released sometime in the 90s, I don’t know how many copies were sold. But that edition was the first to include the song, while the anniversary edition included an alternate ending for Pocahontas. Unfortunately she still doesn’t end up with him, instead it’s just a reprisal of the song.

[@MrGabeanator]

what was alan thinking

[@jordanbriskin238]

Well, he had his reasons for suggesting that the song be taken out (although, as he later recalled, "I was hoping the directors would talk me out of it"), I'm sure. But, you're right, I think that taking "If I Never Knew You" out of the film the first time around was a case of momentary insanity (mind you, though, it does not, by any means, reduce my respect for him); when I watch the film on DVD, I ONLY watch the Special Edition version, which includes the song.

[@MrGabeanator]

Jordan Briskin that's the best way

[@jordanbriskin238]

MrGabeanator The same goes for "Beauty and the Beast", with the song "Human Again".

[@MrGabeanator]

Jordan Briskin oh hell yes

[@MrGabeanator]

Jordan Briskin was this aired on ABC?

[@AndrewsMagicandMore]

Was this the supposed unfinished version that aired along with the film on ABC in the late 1990s? Does anyone know?

[@MrGabeanator]

I think they did

[@ChaoticButterfly]

It is, actually. When I saw this scene, and realized it could've been finished and in the final product, I lost my shit, cause it's SO good.

[@Kagami101]

The Disney Channel has shown "Pocahontas" twice this year and each time it has been that horribly cut 1997 video release version.

[@xs0528]

Actually, it was on video in ‘96.

[@meis2007]

You've right, this version was different than the version that was on the dvd, Mel's voice sounded a little bit different. Some details were different, although the scene remained the same

[@feathernoteproductions3538]

Well, the details and the voice need to be added in a 11th aniversary edtion because this is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better and john's eyebrows look handsome XD

[@jedijoe11788]

@Kagami101 Its not available anymore tho :-/

[@DisneyFan16672]

Anyone else notice that the vocals presented here are different than the version on both the 10th Anniversary Edition DVD and the 2-Movie Collection Blu-ray. I personally find this version to be the best of the two, but I'm very disappointed that Disney decided against putting the song back into the film for the Blu-ray release... :(

[@jennifer_m.8613]

This scene/song was cut from the theatrical release because the test audience loved it too much and it put a very serious situation in to a "children's" movie. Edited back in to the 10th anniversary release and youd never know it was never originally there

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Ok, I mean the Lion King showed two on screen deaths lol. And especially Be Prepared literally has the one part which is deliberately designed from a Nazi rally, which unfortunately got cut in the remake of the Lion King because it was deemed too offensive/inappropriate, completely ignoring the entire point of the song and why that scene was in there. And also, Hunchback of Notre Dame literally got away with Hellfire, which is a pretty ballsy move when you actually listen to the lyrics. So I dunno why If I Never Knew You is deemed “too mature/adult” for a Disney movie. Its not like they were taking off their clothes

[@Cameron-lq9kz]

Guard 1 : Do you hear singing ? Guard 2 : Yes I do. Guard 1 : Should we stop it ? Guard 2 : Give it a few more minutes. I'm also surprised that those two Guards let Meeko, Percy and Flit in to see John Smith in his prison.

[@robertlauncher]

@Kagami101 what's wrong with the 97 version? don't think i've seen it.

[@ChaoticButterfly]

There is no version of this song in the original theatrical release. It was cut.

[@nejikun16]

yeah

[@ViewerMovies3002]

Probably because they wanted to release the original version instead.

[@live2figureSk8]

Am I weird for liking this vocal track better than the one that was released in 2005?

[@feathernoteproductions3538]

Nope :3

[@savizeleaf1091]

thank god coppa hasn't reached this one yet also is it just me or is John's appearance and voice hotter here then in the final thing?

[@maelleth1]

yeah why shouldn't there be fiction and fantasy in life? I love this movie but hate the sequel :(

[@MrJeffrees]

I'm really happy that this song didn't make it into the final film. a song placed in a film has to have some way to move the story along, this is purely expository, still, it's a sweet little song, but I'm glad it was cut

[@feathernoteproductions3538]

You sir, have no soul.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Are you kidding? Did you even listen to the lyrics? It’s not meant to be relevant to the story. Its all about how deeply John really loves Pocahontas and helping her understand he isn’t afraid to die and would rather die a changed man because of her love than live his entire life still so hateful and blind. This song is also meant to be the calm before the storm, in the middle of all the hatred and war there’s an inner peace that nothing will ever get John to stop loving Pocahontas.

[@MrGabeanator]

@25thivy I know

[@FriendlyOutcast300]

@izzybelle112 I wouldn't say the song was bad. To tell you the truth this song Just around the riverbed and Colors of the wind were like the only good songs that held a deep purpose to the story, and it does carry the story a little, when we get a deeper connection to John and Pocahontas love, which is essential to a Romeo and Juliet storyline. But t it was a good move to take this scene out. It does slow down the plot, and it doesn't add to the story without the ending that followed it.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Uh, the entire soundtrack is awesome. Yeah the villain songs and intro songs aren’t exactly singalongs, but there’s no “bad” songs in Pocahontas. If anything, it has one of the most intense villain songs with Savages.

[@WrenLink]

Way to ruin the magic. . . oh noes!

[@fgooglefugo]

Because he technically never sang to Pocahontas, she eventually divorced him. Yes in disney canon, look it up. Pocahontas 2 happened :(

[@SunshineBarbie-sv4bi]

Pocahontas 2 isn’t canon so let’s pretend Pocahontas and John smith reunited after his gunshot wound healed

[@kristinahuchison2511]

No it isn’t, Disney literally confirmed very shortly after that sequel came out it wasn’t canon because of the overwhelming hate it received. Legit there wasn’t a lot of merch made either, only a costume of her dress, some toys including dolls, and a McDonald’s toy. Legit I have a friend who’s trying to find a Rolfe doll, but they’re super hard to find because a small amount were made

[@sophiachampagne1100]

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[@sophiachampagne1100]

Yss have kids WF pcshcs nif you