Podcast #77 - Thoughts On Fine Bros' React World

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[@WindowtoPoland]

Now imagine PewDiePie doing that to gamers, Michelle Phan to makeup guru community, somebody to prank videos/storytimes etc etc etc list can go on... It makes it impossible for small youtubers to get the same treatment as big youtubers and all creators should be equal

[@heyimlaurin3055]

I agree, they are already losing a shit ton of subscribers.

[@WindowtoPoland]

+Heyimlaurin #YTDarkAge

[@regularguy9219]

Agee 100%!!

[@WindowtoPoland]

+FeedUsFetusFajitas FineBros are simply GREEDY it's not like they don't make enough money already, there were reacting channels on YT but because theirs was bigger they bullied them to shut down... The more I know about them the more sick to my stomach I feel

[@crossref233]

They aren't claiming the reaction genre as their own though.

[@BubblyVegan]

You should have called this podcast "Reacting to Fine Bros React World"

[@averycullins9658]

Troll

[@vanessacruzz_]

Dead

[@Jacq1101]

That would be hilarious, but it would probably get content ID flagged and taken down.

[@jesusherbertchrist3304]

They would have been fined, HARD! Pun intended.

[@darbiken]

BANNED- no SUED!

[@mollybrooke2088]

When KZbin shit goes down am I the only one EXTREMELY interested in Jenna and Julian's opinion on said topic?? They are always fair and very intelligent and well thought out with their opinions.... It's a breath of fresh air for me to listen to them talk

[@darbiken]

They're the only ones I've seen that go in depth on the topics.

[@Thevolcomification]

Their opinions are the only ones that i care about since they go so in depth and are very smart about it

[@fcknleo6085]

+darbiken and they don't pick sides either.

[@alexandria1066]

I completely agree 100%. They're my favorite part of my Monday

[@taradiddle7]

Yep, they're so intelligent and just with their opinions, I always end up agreeing with them

[@Shelbirds]

Jenna and Julien are the two people I couldn't agree more with .

[@reynnboww8081]

same c:

[@ava-ff9rt]

samee 😊

[@artdoherty3394]

My actual parents

[@samowamo2]

+Shelbird Exactly

[@JennaJulienPodcast]

Hey guys..FYI we recorded this Friday 1/29/16 and felt it was necessary to upload it early due to the quickly unfolding nature of the topic..As always, thanks for hanging out.

[@TheLEASIDE]

+Jenna Julien First Bitch!

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[@frida2744]

You guys are so laid back and goofy in basically all of your other videos, which I really love, but it's definitely really exciting and really fun to see Jenna flex her intellectual side through these kinds of podcasts. I think she has a great voice and great critical thinking skills that I've gotten then sense she hasn't felt comfortable sharing online in the past. It's just cool seeing this side of her, go Jenna Jenna you smart, you loyal

[@lemonadespider]

+Frida Caro I completely agree, I love it when Jenna puts that out into the internet. She's one smart cookie, and those intellectual discussions are my absolute favourite. Love that girl.

[@janelles9312]

It's so sad that people act like she's dumb. They seem to not know she has a masters from boston.

[@ladyelissa]

I'm only halfway through and I'm not disappointed. This is a very honest and unbiased opinion- exactly what I was searching for. There is however confusion between the words "trademark" and "copyright" which aren't the same things but I can't blame you, the law itself is 100% confusing and needs review to be up-to-date with society today. Well, back to listening!

[@JennaMarbles]

Yes absolutely, Hank Green wrote a good post about it. Obviously we dont have all of the information about what they have copy written or trademarked it's relatively confusing as a whole, but Hank does a good job explaining them and their implications for the KZbin community.

[@miss-fh3mz]

+JennaMarbles john and hank green always seem to do an amazing job of breaking everything down for us to understand. this podcast alone is just great insight and i, like +Marine Propro am only halfway through. it's just so important for people to listen to an unbiased and completely organic thought process work itself out. total props to you and julien for taking this subject on. we appreciate it.

[@i.c.wiener7221]

+Marine Propro I have yet to listen to it all yet, but I am going in expecting Jenna to be biased because she has appeared on KZbinrs react in the past...I imagine she'd want to avoid "throwing shade" at people who've likely paid her for her time in the past. My personal opinion on them, doesn't really matter...but I don't appreciate how they've used tragedies and controversial material to line their pockets in the past. (for example; Teens react to Newtown Shooting)

[@Ellen-fu2rw]

I agree, I had not heard about this until I watched this podcast. It's interesting to hear about this.

[@niafrancis8333]

+Ellen Aguilar I am kinda in the same boat. I don't actually watch their videos often but I had never heard of this until this podcast. I don't want them to get slammed for their own business choose but there is a way to respect a platform and I agree with Jenna and Julien when they said that their choice doesn't seem to be that.

[@BethanyLorene]

I think the phrase "if you give an inch they take a mile" applies here. The Fine Bros might not mean harm but the flood gates could burst open with people suing one another over similar content.

[@sydandtaytum]

+Bethany Lorene they have already taken a mile. they have claimed copyright on SO MANY react videos that have NOTHING to do with their 'format'. included in that is a video called 'SENIORS REACT' that was posted BEFORE the finebros EVER posted a react video of their own. they are pretending that this is to protect their brand, but in reality, they are bullying other youtubers who dont have the lawyers they do.they even went after Ellen at one point, telling their fans to spam her social media when she did a skit on her show of kids reacting to old technology. ....and that video was also NOTHING LIKE their 'format'.....which they REFUSE to define, btw. if they came out and said these 5 things put together is 'our format'...then that may be more understandable, but they refuse to do that.

[@Chichichisings8]

+sydandtaytum that's repulsive. People are trying to sympathize but that's entirely excessive what they are doing.

[@MyNeonBubbles]

Nice segway into the sponsor Julien lol

[@henryyuki5424]

As always

[@TermsofService911]

+Neon. so smooth

[@LPSMilla]

v talented

[@Mijochda]

+Neon. Maybe it was a pun about the weird motorised no-walk machine that I missed, but I think you mean segue. :)

[@adoptdontshop7898]

+Neon. Smooth as silk!

[@monicacapone9620]

If you say *react* three times into a mirror, The Fine Bros. will pop out and sue you.

[@bethanydugger1754]

Monica Capone 😂💀

[@RyeMoore]

Whenever I think I have a solid opinion about something, Jenna and Julien always throw a wrench in my way of thinking lol Another perspective is nice to have though. Thanks guys :)

[@ayouaa]

Very curious to see your thoughts on this. The amount of subscribers they've lost, and especially the like-dislike ratio on their videos have gotten insane.

[@ayouaa]

+Aya Elomrani They've dipped down to 13 million now! Like I said- insane. I have never seen so much uproar against a channel for a non-violent/non-sexual issue.

[@SestraVixen]

+Aya Elomrani Theyve lost over 81.5k subs today alone!

[@jamesrichard1140]

+Canadian Bearded Hillbilly ffs! it's not a genre of videos they are copyrighting? they are just simply stopping people using their brand and graphics, logo, style etc... no one can claim to own a genre you idiot

[@regularguy9219]

+james fancourt Clearly you don't understand what they're trying to copyright. And also, fuck you.

[@jamesrichard1140]

What are they trying to copyright then?

[@itsjustmesam26]

I don't watch either of your videos but had to see well-known KZbinrs talk about this issue. Your opinions are so thought out and refreshing, thank you both for being honest with us!!

[@hauntedmushroom]

I think people are overREACTING about all of this

[@noahm2186]

hahahah

[@WindowtoPoland]

It means you probably don't understand the issue

[@marissamcbride7154]

+Kassie Rouxel I'm sorry you're going to need to pay The Fine Bros now.

[@hauntedmushroom]

+Igabella I was making a pun.. it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Chill.

[@Miraclelittlepie]

A+ for that pun

[@kathvrt]

I really agree with most of the things you guys said. Once the Fine Bros turned their channel/content into a corporation and started putting their product on television, they started to think less like KZbinrs and more like TV producers & businessmen. I don't even really consider them to be KZbinrs anymore. It feels like they & their corporation don't belong on the internet. Perhaps they would be more fitted for television entirely. Because as you were saying, the internet is an ecosystem that polices itself and sustains itself without throwing in any copyrights or trademarks or licensing. The Fine Bros (especially in making a comparison to America's Got Talent & Britain's Got Talent) certainly don't belong in the internet ecosystem anymore if they are going to have a television mindset. That's my 2 cents.

[@sofiao8995]

when is there gonna be another conspiracy podcast?!?

[@sergiomanzanares6817]

Right I love those

[@merunizum7800]

Always

[@DejrouGames]

+Sofia Olivia hopefully with Shane!

[@slinky6415]

+Dejrou Games yeeeessssss

[@sammy_d1183]

Omg yes a conspiracy podcast with Shane!!

[@Ty-gp9ez]

"They have 14,000,000 subscribers now, I think" Well, now they have 13,000,000, so..

[@averycullins9658]

If you read the description they note that they made this podcast a few days ago.

[@aniMELcrossing]

I have open a live subscriber count and within two minutes of having it open I saw it go down 700 subs. Who knows where they're gonna be at tomorrow

[@Ty-gp9ez]

***** I'm aware.

[@CallMeSmash]

+Mixed Checkers damn

[@ChefRyoshu]

+Mixed Checkers 13 900 000, basically still 14 million.

[@joywomack]

YOU guys have inspired me to start consistently creating. I agree with you both, and I think it's important to protect the freedom of expression on which this platform was built. The great thing about the internet is that is a big enough space for growth. Ultimately it's an amazing place to see in real time, the evolution of content and their creators!

[@SatineDali]

+Joy Womack Jooooooy

[@daniellemarotel9043]

Awesooome

[@alannawebster8190]

Joy Womack qq

[@timmyg6749]

The Fine Bros sued me, because I reacted to this video... Shit

[@timmyg6749]

+Ami Chan I do too

[@paulsoarjr2]

Why do you hate yourself???

[@timmyg6749]

+Apparently I'm Geo because I'm Sam Pepper...

[@Trevurr]

+Sam Why do you still leave comments on stuff you know everyone is just going to jump on you with hatred.

[@bittersweet5982]

you're not even sam pepper

[@meganh6629]

I always get SO hype when I see a new Jenna Julien podcast in my subscription box. You guys are such genuine people and I love your personalities. :)

[@betterrunforyourlife]

they just made an update video explaining that it's more like a restaurant franchise thing than taking down people's reaction videos. before watching this video I thought the same as julien, but I think it is very important to clarify now that the FineBros have!

[@JennaJulienPodcast]

I don't think their update video clarified anything. it was an attempt to stop the bleeding but imho it came off condescending and not helpful. it's fairly clear what they want to do and I think they are just upset people are seeing it how it is. -Julien

[@diogousami3857]

+Jenna Julien I agree, as much as I like the format it isn't fair to legally make it your own. it's pretty embarrassing to watch this fuckery unfold.

[@betterrunforyourlife]

hm, okay. the way I saw it I thought they seemed pretty genuine about not wanting to make it a whole money thing. I do appreciate getting your side of it though, as obviously you are another big creator in this community. I am very interested in how this turns out too, and hoping it will only be positive. (by the way I love you guys and have watched every podcast and signed up a squarespace website through you guys!)

[@gracec2214]

+Jenna Julien tru

[@vince4113]

+Jenna Julien Right ! It's always nice to watch you guys. You are really inspirying in your own way. Julien does those AMAZING vlogs with gorgeous tapes and editing and Jenna is really Creative and funny. I would be sad if somebody would trademark the "podcast" formula and you guys would need to pay them to make it or don't make it anymore.

[@TAWNB0N]

I love how Julien mentioned it's an unwritten rule that you don't rip people off on the Internet. It's like whenever someone does a "does this thing really work" everyone knows Bunny does that. But she doesn't have to copyright it. It's just her thing. I love how educated and articulate you guys are about this subject. Very objective and unbiased.

[@athalia3661]

+TAWNB0N Yeah, and if you make a video trying something, or say anything she says, her minions will tear you apart.

[@keke8880]

That's a really good example

[@kaitlyn1670]

There is nothing that I appreciate more than hearing Jenna and Juliens thoughts on things. I'm OG podcast and have been listening since episode one, I love both of you but the reason I greatly appreciate this podcast is because as a young teenager, 14 if I may hearing your thoughts and opinions really opens up my mind and has taught me to think about things different ways and learn how to approach things with the open mind you do. I love you both so much, and I thank you for putting yourselves onto the internet, and I'm only putting this out there to show you my gratitude for you being out there and helping me without even knowing it.

[@KayLeighCarnes]

I will always love your podcasts. Your videos are amazing, but discussing issues like this really shows your involvement in the community and gives a lot of insight on hot issues.

[@Bokchoiyogurt00]

Podcast on Sunday? Best Sunday ever.

[@tehoken]

Love Jenna so much. It's so rare to see someone in this kind of industry who is so totally without greed or guile. She's been going strong all this time because she is 100% in it for the fuckery. I couldn't love her any more for it!

[@dthurley8490]

This is the first of your pod casts I have watched and I just want to say kudos. You guys are having a real conversation face to face. I love seeing this. Keep it up!

[@eloraferris9980]

have to say. Jenna and Julien channels and the podcast are my absolute favorite. and I love the podcast family. everyone seems so mature and kind to each other in the comments.

[@regisatlas]

Honestly, I think their project or whatever you wanna call it isn't going to live at all. The internet hates it, it's done. They taught us what not to do and how you shouldn't present ideas on the internet but that's it, it's done. It's a bit of a long shot but I wouldn't be surprised if the Fine Bros were done with KZbin as well, who knows, we'll see. I agree that it's interesting.

[@thewildearthlings]

It's dumb because we should be able to present our ideas to the Internet. That's what KZbin is for, it allows KZbinrs to express video ideas for their viewer. Jenna says it all the time. I hope that everyone can forgive the Fine Bros for trying to do something different. I don't think they meant any harm by this. I think people are making it worse than what it already is. I agree with J & J this is defiantly going to change, if it goes through and if it doesn't.

[@fcknleo6085]

+AVERYNDYLAN it's kinda late for that..they already lost 1 mil subs if I'm not mistaken,they're down to 13 mil and still going downhill.

[@MewDenise]

+Elyssae people asked for React global.... that's why they do it. 100s of people have already signed up. The first being Belgium

[@regisatlas]

+AVERYNDYLAN I agree with you. and I think they genuinely have good intentions. but it would be kind of dangerous to just trust them on their word. and the ''apology'' video was so condescending and insulting. putting such constrictions on the internet is just going to destroy it.

[@regisatlas]

+MewDenise source? no one asked for these restrictions, hopefully. I doubt React World is gonna live, even if it ends up being a good thing.

[@veramonroe9809]

i just hope that the finebros dont crash and burn because of React World, because there are so many young kids that dream of being youtubers and look up to the finebros. There are kids that see series like "KZbinrs React" as a passageway to being a "real" content creator. The finebros have been a large part of the youtube community for a while and have inspired so many people. I hope React World is just forgotten about and is treated like a career mistake rather than a career destroyer.

[@emilydanxelle]

Yes i agree 100000%

[@Maserati777]

+Vera Monroe I agree, I hope they continue to upload Elders, Teens, Kids, Adults React videos because at the end of the day they are still the main reason I discovered so many other reactors on KZbin.

[@lholliday198]

+Maserati777 people are so short sighted, they don't even know how copyrights work

[@edm-nr7bp]

I love watching your podcasts. Thank you Jenna for remaining humble all of these years. I've been watching your videos since your Boston days. Stay awesome and thank you for sharing your thoughts with us!

[@LauraHoyda]

Thank you both for maintaining your integrity and honesty. I love your podcasts and other channels. Your casual style and intelligent whilst respectful viewpoints are refreshing af. I always come away wishing I could hang with y'all in person. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@kyle5598]

So happy you guys uploaded on a Sunday night so I could listen while doing honors bio homework 😂🔫 you two make it much more enjoyable - love you both!

[@jsylvc3100]

+KylePryor i feel you man, i'm doing calculus

[@user-em5xr5lp7o]

lmao same I'm doing physics

[@hpunlimited99]

Lmao same I'm doing your girl

[@graciejack473]

+jordan cook ap world history so I totally agree 😂

[@zoeg2442]

Same

[@princessgold1997]

Jenna you're spot on in their current intentions, it's essentially a huge job ad for people who wanna make multi language react videos. However they have a track record of trying to take people down like Ellen who has kids reacting to shit

[@lauramaeloves1477]

I can't tell you how much I respect Jenna for not having brands on her channel. Sooooo many youtubers are doing "ad" videos and they are just annoying, because it's almost like "can I really believe what they are saying rn?" So THANK YOU Jenna for staying 100% real.

[@TheFluffasaurus]

I came here from Reddit with the FineBros Fiasco. I'll be honest, I hadn't really followed Jenna over the years but I do remember her most popular videos. This podcast was such an incredibly refreshing take on the whole situation. I loved how mature and down-to-earth you both are. Thank you for giving me a new podcast to listen to and great job with the headspace sponsorship! I love the concept and I'm downloading it now :)

[@Janey325]

This is such a tough topic. I've been watching KZbin since it's beginnings and I've got so many mixed feelings on how it's transformed and continues to transform. Gone (for the most part) are the days where people uploaded grainy videos of them dancing/singing/doing whatever the fuck to popular music, etc. It reminds me of Ryan Higa or Smosh, who I remember doing these kinds of things way back in the day, just some teens in their bedrooms doing weird shit. Now it seems that to make it big on KZbin you need to have some fancy camera and you certainly can't use well known music anymore. Everything has become so "big budget." Even if someone is still filming in their bedroom, they've got an expensive camera and nice lighting and a green screen. I can understand why these changes have occurred and in some ways it's amazing because KZbinrs do some truly amazing shit and I get to watch that shit for free. I do worry though about what this next step that the Fine Brothers are trying to take means for KZbin. Ive already seen it transform so much into this money-making powerhouse that I worry if people start trademarking everything, KZbin will entirely lose it's small-time, "live from the bedroom"-esque charm. Doing similar videos is such a huge part of KZbin too, that's why genres like "let's plays" and challenge videos exist. I get what the Fine Brothers are trying to do but I'm not sure how I feel about them doing it. It's a tough topic and I certainly don't know enough about it but it does make me feel uneasy thinking about what this could mean for the future of KZbin.

[@ladyelissa]

I was thinking exactly the same thing yesterday. I've been on Yt since 2006. People made videos on their webcams with horrible quality and I watched it. Back in the day, that was good content, it was entertaining, they became big. But it'd be impossible for me, today, to make a grainy video talking about whatever and except any recognition from it. I feel like sometimes content is overlooked and a lot of people prefer concentrations on what camera they should be using, what lights etc.. And when you realize sometimes how many people are actually working on one video it's insane. It's not really one on one anymore. There was a lot more interaction with creators as well. I kinda miss old KZbin! (though I'll admit, I'm pretty proud of those that I've been following for years have accomplished) Ryan and Sean have definitely stayed throughout the years as some of my favorites.

[@piaspitzenberger]

Janey ü

[@joeyjose727]

Didn't Shane Dawson talk on his podcast (very briefly) about how you can't name a video "(blank) react to" ? I don't think I like this very much.

[@Crazyhyperness195]

Yeah this is true to a point. You can't say "Kids/Elders/Teens Reacts to..." because those are actual react shows the FineBros have. You can say something like "Teachers/Engineers/Scientists React to.." because those aren't react shows the FineBros have.

[@m2412]

+Joey Perez really which one, the latest im guessing?/

[@s.g9736]

+Katrina ...yet

[@Crazyhyperness195]

+Samantha Gentry Exactly. This new system can easily allow the FineBros to claim literally every form of react videos.

[@SharkAcademy]

+Katrina but the people who made Seniors react to before the fine Bros were even making the Elders one were taken down by them.

[@hazelnicholle]

I love sitting here and listening to you guys. you're interesting, funny, smart and have very unbiased opinions. I genuinely feel like we're three friends hanging out and chillin. and I appreciate you guys having this platform to connect with your fans. I love you both❤️

[@duncanpersons8961]

I love how you guys are so reasonable, consider and talk about everything, and move on from there. Very interesting points, and I'm a freshman in college and I even shared this with my mom. Your clarity, accuracy, and opinions are always on point. And Jenna you're right. Everybody should just love everybody lol

[@MathewMcKenna]

I very much appreciate you talking about this, but you two seem to be confused between copyright and trademarking. Copyrights are all automatic and happen upon the creation of a work. I, for instance, can't legally download this video and upload it on my own channel as that would breach your copyright. Trademarking, however, makes it so in a specific context, people cannot use my trademark at all. Without trying to attack them right now, FBE have in fact already been removing videos that are just normal reaction videos. They said they would not do that, but always have and continue to do so. The big problem now is that even if we believed them when they say that NOW they won't, legally, for their trademark to hold up, they HAVE to defend it against every usage. If they didn't take down people's videos for using the word they are trying to trademark, "React" , then if some big business tried to rip them off and FBE took them to court, they could risk losing the entirety of their Trademark due to not defending it most of the time. What this means is that through this move, they would actually HAVE to start removing a lot of videos and ordering takedowns. I 100% agree with you though, we are in this together and this is needless.

[@cheyannejane]

well said mat

[@keke8880]

didn't know that. thanks!

[@MacieArlene]

Honestly i fucking sit on the edge of my seat waiting for the moment when julien re-introduces the sponsor XD

[@Bunnybananabunny]

+MacieArlene Yeah and if I manage to spot it coming before he says it its party time! :D

[@ashleytowk5036]

I will NEVER unsubscribe. I love coming back every Monday to listen to you guys get your opinions out there. You make me laugh and think about things that I would never think to delve into. Definitely the best part of my Mondays. I love you Jenna & Julien!

[@shaetheperidot5814]

I love the Jenna Julien Podcasts so much. They're always so interesting, and I think you guys are just awesome in general. I can't wait until the next one!

[@missvideo101]

THIS VIDEO JUST MADE MY SUNDAY ILY GUYS

[@princessgold1997]

this is too on point, they just dropped from 14m to 13m hahahahha

[@kikod9188]

you guys make some incredible and insightful points, eloquently put and well thought out, as well as respectful. I am more than happy to even pay for this podcast monthly because I think you guys really hit your strides in this setting. Keep it up!!!

[@laurensmith7619]

I just joined the podcast fam and I could not have picked a better video to start on. This was so good and so informative and to see you having an adult conversation with differing views was great. Can't wait to hear more from you guys.

[@JustSheilz]

I unsubscribed from all of their channels. They've taking down channels for awhile but the call out of Ellen was what finally ended it for me. After further digging, They DID trademark/copyright the words React, Kids React and Elders React. We only have a matter of time that TPTB will deny them that usage. Also, lets remember that Devin Supertramp JUST had his video taken down for have People are awesome in the title and the people that did that have trademark on that phrase. And they use Devins footage!

[@RealTalkWithSSG]

+Just Sheilz It's good that most people are realising how bad this move is. It's never a good thing to give power to one person or community. :)

[@daniellemarotel9043]

+AuroraS 92 Exactllllly. Humans do; humans react. That power should not be allowed over something done normally and is a thing at core of people.

[@daniellemarotel9043]

And yeah, that call out on the tweet to Ellen from the FineBros was just such validation of me abolishing them. It's clear and cut what they are doing despite what they deliever as is; the whole system is bs for them to take over that much over other content users which really sucks in terms of content removal/pay/consciocness (yes, now that this is a thing, people are now rethinking from 'reacting' vids which should not be a freaking thing.), etc.

[@sirghostt]

I got a twitch just to watch you guys haha worth it

[@kellymalone5329]

jenna captured my thoughts on youtube culture nowadays exactly...thank you for staying genuine and keeping this platform what we all came here for in the beginning..ur the realest, love u

[@DearAngelicaaa]

Jenna and Julien, you two are some of the best. Honestly. You two are so genuine and real. You are like KZbin unicorns. I appreciate it so much and for that, I will forever love and support you.

[@graceg.6040]

Julien your segues are fucking GOLDEN

[@cync7878]

Waiting for more conspiracy theories day 781 Still no conspiracy theories

[@cync7878]

Lol love you guys ❤️ Every podcast is greatttttt

[@Quinn00013]

my favorite podcast hands down, love you guys

[@sokkaflockaflameo]

It's also frustrating to see ads throughout short KZbin videos. Ask videos have for the most part turned into a naturebox commercial

[@rain1676]

I will protect you

[@sunnyseouls]

YESSSSS PODCAST EARLY.

[@ryan.gllghr]

If the fine bros can do this than can a beauty guru do the same thing and not allow other gurus to do the tutorial videos? Which would fuck everything up. I don't think the fine bros should be able to do this because if anyone else wants to do it they should be able to for free just as the fine bros did when they first started out on the Internet.

[@ryan.gllghr]

I also think you guys should do another conspiracy podcast cause those are the best!

[@ryan.gllghr]

Also the family vloggers could do the same and their could only be one channel with a family that vlogs

[@anthonywheeler2082]

+Ryan Gallagher Or if someone trademarked Talkin' Comics, or Talkin' Whatever. That alone would screw up alot of people up.

[@catalina9844]

So glad you're talking about this! I was hoping for it for tomorrow.

[@Briannep07]

i look forward to your podcasts all the time and its sooo good to hear that you two want to be doing this for a long time :)

[@AprilWhelan00]

I agree I think they're intention was misconstrued I don't think they want to trademark "reacting" as a whole and I think the amount of hate they received and subscribers they lost was a little insane, I am open to hear others thoughts and opinions

[@jasoncollins5133]

The whole way they presented "React World" was flawed, but the tone of the video is what I think really pushed people over the edge into questioning their motivations and their intent. They have this " Aren't you glad that we are going to save the world and change entertainment forever and you can come with us" vibe. There is nothing remotely new about videos of people reacting to videos. That format has been around since before KZbin. Also, the notion that their content will be used as some sort of archival footprint for future generations to discover and revel in is...wow...that is some breathtaking arrogance.

[@Bunnybananabunny]

+Jason Collins "Also, the notion that their content will be used as some sort of archival footprint for future generations to discover and revel in is...wow...that is some breathtaking arrogance." Exactly my thoughts! Do they seriously think their videos are "time capsules"?! :D

[@jasoncollins5133]

They end their video by saying they that we can "change the world together." By watching kids, teens, and seniors watch videos?! Does a starving child get a sandwich every time the Fine Bros get a view? Come on. I believe the bottom line is that they thought they had found a way to make more money without doing additional work. Can a person make reaction videos without them? Certainly, but, according to the bros, why not make your own reaction videos and send them a cut of the money you earned. The whole concept is flawed. I imagine they had a meeting, shared this idea, and no one working for them wanted to speak up and then go look for a new job. I get a kick out of some of their videos. I hope they can help each other get their heads out of their butts enough to breath, regroup, and shut this terrible idea down before they implode.

[@M3RRY]

Well said

[@CourtLeighB]

I'm glad you guys think there's space for everyone on the Internet. Thanks to this podcast I got the courage to make my own. I still struggle with keeping it regular but that's only because I have to work full time to pay my way. But I'm trying my hardest and your words have refreshed my motivation. Thank you!

[@shelleynobleart]

Such a fantastic conversation, j&j. So many nails were hit squarely and firmly on their heads. Appreciated so many rich veins being discussed so smartly and honestly. Learned from your perspectives.

[@kfb2819]

The biggest problem I have with this whole thing is the fact that they weren't even the first to do these kinds of videos in the first place, they just became incredibly successful at it. So how do you claim ownership of an idea/format that wasn't even yours first? My other question, is how can they claim ownership on a format that relies 100% on the content of OTHER CREATORS? They seem to be literally biting the hands that are feeding them.

[@meganthomas1859]

Mr. Marbles must have been having a noisy day 😂

[@meganthomas1859]

PS that wind up murdered me ❤️

[@jyjryu22799]

YESS!! Been waiting to hear any podcast i listen to talk about this! Thank you so much!

[@aubreycole35]

pod survey CHECK...thoroughly impressed by this inelegant conversation CHECK! ... I can't wait for the next podcast. thank you guys for always being amazing!

[@niggasjit]

I also found their attempt to "copyright" something as generic as what the FB's have been doing, to be sort of weird. Or.. pointless. Hard to find the right definition on it. This will of course only pertain to KZbin but.. still. Its an odd move.

[@kailicarroll531]

sliding in those ads like a boss julien

[@kailicarroll531]

like I don't even care that there ads it's hilarious

[@joneeroberts66]

my first time hanging with you guys! following on all your other channels but this was definitely an enriching and very stimulating environment. looking forward to next week

[@Rotcgamer]

i love the honesty both of you guys bring into the podcast and even in your videos on your normal channels. its great to see REAL youtubers with honest opinions!

[@kranattt]

Please do the podcast on networks! I'm a little bit lost on the matter and would like to hear you talking about it. Have a nice day!

[@aguilation2059]

13 million subs now 😂

[@VisualEyeCandy]

I enjoy everything about what you guys do! Keep rocking it!

[@monicamazza3925]

I love how Julien always makes Jenna laugh when he brings up the sponsor for the podcast! It's like he's such a natural at keeping the flow of things like it's a natural thing to mention the sponsor it cracks me up every time, especially when Jenna starts laughing I laugh even harder! (Pardon the run-on sentence). ALSO Jenna, Julien, Kermit, Marbles, Peach, Debbie Machine, Brett I hope you all can make it to Las Vegas the week of April 10th for my birthday! I'm from Alaska and right now Vegas is the closest I can make it to you guys and I bet you all are due for a nice vacation anyways☺

[@danielgalano9301]

this could be the beginning of the end for the fine bros

[@kelseycooper5063]

You guys should become rappers 😂😂

[@allibair6397]

Whenever I don't know how I feel on certain situations, you two sum it up for me. ENDLESS LOVE TO YOU !

[@KTT333]

this is why I love your podcast!!! informative, unbiased, and very honest opinions. keep it up!!!

[@jesswatrudoin]

Before watching this I immediately reacted badly to this whole situation. However after listening to Jenna's insight I can see how the fine bros are genuinely trying to protect something big they made. It still doesn't sit right with me even though I understand why they would do this. I agree that this will have a domino effect, I just hope that the effect won't crush what KZbin is and stands for altogether

[@jesswatrudoin]

Also Jenna u should trademark the word glue

[@ZackingBall]

+Jess Watkins I disagree with them trying to "protect" the idea of reaction videos. They literally trademarked the word "react." They trademarked a fucking verb, like are you fucking kidding me? The simple action of responding to any stimulus whatsoever is now owned by these two and they now hold the power to sue anyone who uploads a reaction video they see fit unless they agree to give them a piece of their revenue. They are trying to take control something they did not create: the simple concept of a reaction video.

[@Sherry2314]

Except they're having videos and channels removed just because they're making reaction videos.

[@jesswatrudoin]

+Zack Steele I didn't know that and that is ridiculous, honestly I haven't looked that much into this and I should have before commenting. From a business point I get it but it's not right

[@jesswatrudoin]

+Fortunate Gaming they are?! Shit that's vile man

[@Bhodisatvas]

7:50 They have almost trademarked the word 'React'. It goes into the public opposition phase on Feb 2nd jenna

[@kimberlyhutchful7916]

you two are very smart and explain things well. thank you Jenna and Julien

[@paolabueso]

Wow! This was such a good podcast. The part about measuring time spans on different platforms, I was blown away. Thank you for sharing this!

[@peekabooicancu]

This reminds me of when Jackgap had this idea that was very similar to Casey Neistat, and Casey called him out on it so he stopped. I think what the fine bros are trying to do is protect their format of reacting. If someone does it in a new innovative way then that should be okay, but not just ripping off their way of doing things basically. I do think this stemmed from Ellen having a kids react on her show which was pretty similar to the fine bros, and in a corporate sense I could see how that would work. I wonder if shows like Jimmy Fallon have copyright over some of the games or whatever they do play...

[@peekabooicancu]

Okay after watching this vid, I can see the dangerous implications, so now I understand the backlash. It could get very messy. I do think that this message wasn't really intended for the Internet but for corporations, so the way they delivered it was wrong. I think they were trying to keep the Internet law in being transparent, but failed.

[@Sherry2314]

The problem is that they claim they don't mind others doing react videos, but have been issuing cease and desist and having videos/channels taken down. They're ruining people's livelihoods. They're saying one thing and doing another.

[@Maserati777]

+Fortunate Gaming But were those videos the same as their videos? We don't know.

[@toniamark]

They pulled a "traditional media" on KZbin. It backfired, big time. They should have seen it coming to be honest, but I do think the backslash is getting out of hand, as with everything on the Internet.

[@toniamark]

+Tonia M The KZbin way to do it is crediting the original creator / collabing in some way / mention them properly etc.

[@dittelange3435]

I don't really watch Jenna og Julien, but every time something drastic happens on youtube, i come here to listen to it being discussed in calm nice way! :)

[@SatineDali]

I love this subject, thanks for bringing attention to "new media issues" that aren't being discussed or aren't understood by a lot of people.. these conversations define what we as people want to raise issues with, and hopefully will lead to some clarification on where we are going with the internet.

[@saketg5954]

Why do they wear headphones? They are sitting right next to each other!

[@visvita11]

I think it's more for quality reasons with recording, the headphones allow them to hear what we would hear on the podcast...I think. So it would help with getting the right volume & pitch etc.

[@littyiit7547]

It's so try can make sure their microphones are working at all times and can guarantee sound quality lol

[@briancox984]

Plus they look cool

[@caralinep6437]

Imagine radio hosts. They do the exact same thing.

[@katieh115]

This is how I interpreted the situation so I left this comment on the "Update." video: "I don't see what's wrong with this at all. They aren't saying you can't make react videos, they are just saying you can't use their format, which is totally acceptable. Like they said, X factor has shows all over, but it doesn't mean there aren't other singing competitions. They aren't suing American Idol because it's the same content with a different format. It makes sense. People like to get their panties in a twist over nothing. Simmer down people."

[@katieh115]

+Katie Hoer Although I see both sides of the story and I understand why some people are upset, I think the backlash the fine brothers are receiving is ridiculous. I admire that they are being transparent about what they're doing.

[@karolinuke]

+Katie Hoer No the thing is you can't make reaction videos with kids, elders etc now, THATS the problem, they want you to pay them for it! That is why everyone is so upset. The fine bros are pretending that they won't take other peoples videos down, but they do! they even took down a video with 8 views how pathetic is that?! they even wanted to take down ellen degenerous video with a kid! Google it and you will see how greedy they are.. Imagine that, you can't upload a video where you react to something because they copyrighted it.

[@thewildearthlings]

I totally agree with you. I think people are making it so much bigger than what the plan was originally!

[@darbiken]

They're changing what KZbin is about. Sure it's just them, but what if every major youtuber started doing this to their genre. It wouldn't be the vast, diverse KZbin we know and love. It's almost impossible to regulate the Internet. KZbin is already having trouble regulating videos for copyright. I haven't known a youtuber that hasn't gone through the the hassle of having a video taken down due to copyright reasons that wasn't even in violation of the terms and conditions. Big time youtubers a have a problem with getting away with violationing YT's terms and conditions while smaller youtubers get trampled on with copyright strikes and the like. This is just another big (now corporate) YT channel taking advantage of the smaller YTers. Viewers have a right to be mad. This is the Internet, not TV. They want the free and diverse entertainment that came here for.

[@Soulful96QC]

+Katie Hoer They never created the format at all, and they are ironically trying to stop reactors from profiting off of reactions when they themselves must use other people's clips and content to create reactions for money to begin with. People are not getting their panties in a twist over nothing, there has been videos and many channels taken down by them personally and there's multiple sources online to prove it for people like you defending them. They kept things ambiguous because they are not transparent and its foolish for you to think they are.

[@l00sysun]

I think you're the only video I've watched so far on this topic that actually gives the fine bros an okay name every one else is just jumping to the worst conclusions and slamming them so hard I love listening/watching your podcasts because you guys give everyone/every situation a chance before any real judgements are made.

[@rachael6823]

hey guys. love the podcast! took the survey! lovin the free podcast. you guys are awesome :)

[@rachael6823]

+rachael repko your podcasts make my day, i always watch it all the way thru. i'd watch if even if it were 12 hours lol. thanks for being so genuine and true to yourself always. never get tired of it. xox

[@asb5986]

watching this 6 yrs later seeing how corporatised the internet and especially youtube has become… i always say i miss the youtube community and das cuz what is on here now is not community, its just a cash grab.

[@kittyocala]

I think they were more trying to stop the reposting of their videos ... like if I took one of Jenna video copied it and then uploaded it to KZbin and banked because people thought it was a Jenna video. I just think they are trying to stop people from making money on their videos.

[@potato-whiz]

No that's not what is happening.

[@kittyocala]

The Fine Brothers posted another video about it today and said that

[@potato-whiz]

+daytripper18 no that is not what they said, you misunderstand. They are trying to stop people from doing the React format that they do without going through them first. They did clarify that they aren't trying to stop reaction videos altogether but the ones that follow a similar format to theirs. But it's still not what you're saying. It's not that simple.

[@darbiken]

Yeah but it's naive to think they can stop that. YT has guidelines for that, that's their job to protect creator's content, and if they aren't doing their job, big time youtubers could have brought attention to it. Heck, they could have made a youtubers react video of it and have them all band together to show they aren't okay with it. To go as far as they're going is just the opposite of what YT is about.

[@kittyocala]

I don't think we should get upset with them because they are just trying to protect their product. We think it is wrong for someone to walk into a store and steal and then turn around and sell it. We should feel the same way when people steal others videos. They are just trying this out it might work it might not but we shouldn't hate them for trying to do something.

[@Nenalynn13]

i will never be mad at Julien for doing sponsors. YOU ARE SO FUCKING SMOOOTH AT GOING INTO THEM! cracks me up every time. keep up the great work guys.

[@humbiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii]

didn't know you guys made podcasts...and here i am 45 minutes later having watched the whole thing...great vid! a lot of interesting topics were brought up

[@Jackieb741]

What they're doing is unbelievably ridiculous and is going to piss so many off and create unnecessary problems. Who are you to dictate a whole genre of videos? What the fuck? Also, I love Julien, but it seems like he's always just waiting for Jenna to be done talking so he can respond. It doesn't seem like he actually thinks about her response before talking. He also uses his phone a lot, constantly interrupts Jenna, takes deep breathes and shows he's annoyed, and is started to seem very.. surface. :/ 23:26, for example-almost all of these together. And he either looks bored and disconnected, or over-reacts.

[@TurtlesAreCool56]

a while ago he explained how he gets impatient after being in one place for a while

[@rachelcarlene0402]

He does seem off lately.. Wonder what's up.

[@darbiken]

He's just very passionate and frustrated about what they discuss. I get the same way. ;P

[@malonifox]

I thought the same thing!

[@Sherry2314]

I honestly think he has a stronger opinion about it than he's letting on, but is trying not to burn bridges between them and FB. That can be a very frustrating thing to try to balance.

[@chadwickhjones]

The moves made by Fine Brothers are deleterious to the organic omni-culture iterative nature of Internet. I hope to see that many people will boycott their videos. They are like this guy that I used to work with. The office where we work did not have a dress code. One day this guy wore shorts to work. After that, we had a written dress code. His actions lacked empathy and were selfish. He didn't look around at his peers and ask "is anyone else doing this? will it cause a negative affect?" Look to Nature for the answers. You don't see an animal in nature doing something to completely fuck over everyone else... well except humans. #GoVegan! :)

[@chadwickhjones]

+Chadwick Jones Mamaw Jenna :)

[@SixStringSanity]

You just perfect summarized how I feel about this into words, thank you! Beautifully said.

[@chadwickhjones]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@jennyumm89]

You guys are so relatable, I love hearing your opinions.

[@dianeschmidt17]

I've been watching since the very very beginning and I just wanted to say that I love you guys the most because of the fact that you are both such logical, honest, wonderful human beings. Thank you for always providing funny, critical thinking, thought provoking content in such a respectful way.