[PODCAST] Are You Believing Happy Lies? with

[@CrossExamined]

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[@gi169]

Thank you CrossExamined 👍 Melissa is an awesome sister in Christ Jesus. God bless.

[@canigetachannel]

I concur highly, my friend! 😊👍

[@gi169]

@canigetachannel Amen brother...

[@wendy6781]

She is exactly right on with what this nonsense is. It is so dangerous.

[@CrossExamined]

Thanks brother!

[@tammy5926]

Thank you Frank and Melissa. This episode hit home for me because I wasted a lot of years in some false teachings. It did contain some truths and some useful information, so now I'm trying to reassess what was actually true.

[@wendy6781]

Shortly after I got out of new age, I knew I needed to learn about the Christian God so I called a nearby church. I spoke with the pastor and asked what he thought about tarot cards. He saw no issue with using them. I never went to that church.

[@tammy5926]

@wendy6781 Great idea. I've been thinking about ways to screen before attending.

[@ingela_injeela]

Rat poison consists of mostly good food - mixed with poison.

[@mattr.1887]

Maybe the tarot cards are from God, and Satan has deceived you.

[@wendy6781]

@@mattr.1887 Anyone who says that tarot might be from God has never read the Bible and therefore their comments and interpretation are irrelevant.

[@neilschristensen9143]

Discernment is very necessary.

[@garrygraham]

You know, for some time I have been trying to define the approach of Jordan Peterson's discussions on biblical stories which at first appear close to truth but are actually anti-christian doctrine. This discussion on happy lies pretty much sums up Peterson's thinking. He is strongly focused on Jungian psychology to explain it all (even though it is often barely coherent), but in its essence, it is just another example of 'happy lies.' Thanks for a great discussion. My own journey came out of the new thought deception including abominations like the Course in Miracles.

[@yllatusmuna]

A lot of people don't consider the teachings of Mr Peterson to be a healthy or truthful representation of Christianity.

[@samdung5630]

Wess Huff said Peterson is promoting moralism. Spiritually speaking, I think that is correct. We don't need Jesus if we can be moral without him.

[@jaylenewiebe4340]

just pre-ordered my copy and I'm looking forward to getting it! Thank-you Melissa and Frank for your channels and your boldness in sharing truth

[@wagesofsin623]

If this teaching was just for me thank you. Coming out of WOF church. I didn’t even know what that was, but I kept getting convicted. The pastors are nice people just got it twisted. Praying for them. Praise God for delivering me. Im currently trying to unpack it all. 🙏🏼

[@carriestout6422]

Yes, I used to be part of a faith Church. At that time I would make proclamation prayers and slander celestial beings and it's against scripture. New thought is in word of faith.

[@ConvincedofChristianity]

Great podcast! I love Frank and Melissa!

[@CrossExamined]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@gtaylor1009]

Thank you Jesus for this episode, and for using this sister. May the Lord keep you in Jesus name!

[@CrossExamined]

🙏🙏🙏

[@wendy6781]

New thought can over time move into new age, which is what happened with me. But God! He saves sinners.

[@yllatusmuna]

Is there a difference between those two? What's the difference?

[@wendy6781]

@@yllatusmuna New thought is the law of attraction type thinking. It is the Wayne Dyer mantra that says you are what you think. For me it was an introduction to the practice of new age; the 'science' behind it seemed to make sense. Think positive thoughts and you will draw positive energy to you. Think negative and you draw negative energy. I was not saved at that time and I wanted nothing to do with God and the law of attraction allowed me to think I was being 'spiritual' without God. New thought is about manifesting an abundant life by putting out positive energy and thereby drawing positive energy back to you. Which, BTW, I would like to ask practitioners how that is working for them in today's world. New age goes deeper. It is a natural progression to move from the beginner stage of law of attraction to using tarot, crystals, meditation, channelling, psychics, etc. New age is that practice. God is not in this. Deu 18:10-12 “There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices soothsaying or one who interprets omens or a sorcerer, 11 or one who is an enchanter or a medium or a spiritist or one who inquires of the dead. 12 “For whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh; and because of these abominations Yahweh your God will dispossess them from before you.

[@paulajames6149]

Melissa, I have seen multiple interviews of you speaking about your book. Your banter with Frank seems more relaxed and animated. I can tell you guys have a good friendship. Happy that you wrote this book. Listening to your channel has been very helpful in navigating the people in my life that has adopted these new thought ideas.

[@CrossExamined]

🙏🙏🙏

[@gordo191]

Happy Sabbath everyone ❤

[@gi169]

You mean like every day... Awesome.

[@gordo191]

@gi169 there is only one Sabbath day , Exodus 20 v 8 - 10 the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your GOD. Six days you shall work the seventh day you shall rest ,

[@macdaddyp8437]

The sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

[@gordo191]

@macdaddyp8437 exactly,

[@gi169]

@@gordo191 Yeah, I know that's why I said every day.

[@RodneyWessinger]

Hello Melissa .... I really enjoyed the video...even though you would consider me one of them...LOL...since I became a Pentecostal ... Full Gospel.. Charismatic WOF since 1980 ..You are very fun to listen to and not mean like others like the one with the last name same as one of the apostles. .LOL.. a couple of things is I actually started listening to Brother Copeland and Norval Hayes on cassette tapes for 8 to 12 hours a day for many years back then.... I personally really doubt anyone under 70 years old even listens to Copeland much anymore.. LOL.. I rarely do on purpose now days... But I must admit that I Love Brother Andrew Wommack and not really sold that he is a full blown word of Faith teacher as a lot would call him.... for example when you mentioned WOF people teach that God owes us prosperity isn't the way he teaches... but the best teaching In my almost 50 years as a Christian is called...You've Already Got It...its just awesome....A lot of people would call them/us the Grace and Faith Camp.... because its like its Bapticostal....Awesome...Again love your videos I always learn something...LOVE TO ALL LOVE LORD JESUS..!!!

[@CrossExamined]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@siegmundfuchsbrugger1365]

great interview- even as a catholic I have been in this trapp... and so many of my friends who define themself as christians are in this deceitful world too... Just through study the early christians and apostolic fathers I realist of that evil heresy. Thank you for bringing it up and of writing a book about it

[@yllatusmuna]

How does it happen for Catholics though?

[@siegmundfuchsbrugger1365]

@@yllatusmuna what do you mean by this question?

[@yllatusmuna]

Wouldn't it go contrary to the official Catholic doctrines?

[@siegmundfuchsbrugger1365]

@ the catholic church denied and fought every gnostic view since the beginning of- totally clear position to that has not only written by apostolic fathers like Ignatius or Ireaneus

[@Romans8.]

I love you both. ❤️✝️👑

[@Heartwing37]

I can’t wait to get Melissa‘s book! I’m a big fan of her channel and new to yours… because she recommended it! ❤

[@CrossExamined]

Welcome to the CE channel!

[@DD00723]

Great podcast! 👍🏽👏🏽

[@CrossExamined]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@authortjm]

Preordered my copy!! Can’t wait 🙌✝️🙌

[@CrossExamined]

🙌🙌🙌

[@suzannecarroll2388]

Fantastic discussion

[@markshark1613]

I remember reading a book called "The fourth dimension" as a young Christian. Looking back it was about as new thought as any new thought book could be!

[@yllatusmuna]

Do you mean the book _"The Fourth Dimension: Toward a Geometry of Higher Reality (1984)"_ written by Rudy Rucker, a Silicon Valley professor of mathematics and computer science?

[@markshark1613]

@yllatusmuna no this was a book from Korean pastor Paul Yongi Chow

[@macdaddyp8437]

I stopped dating a Christian sister a few years back that was heavily into the word of faith/law of attraction movement. Had no idea she had such radical opinions when we met. She was never open to discussion about any of it, and I finally told her that I could not date someone that wasn't a Jesus follower. It did not end well.

[@CiscoZero]

Frank just needs to make this a podcast, restructure the flow and rebrand (keep the name). There’s so much potential here to glorify our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@kays96]

I had a counselor from Bethel Church in Redding, CA prescribe to me the book The Secret. If I read it, my life would get so much better.

[@yllatusmuna]

Did you read it?

[@kays96]

@ I began to read it, but I felt deep down in my spirit that it was not a good thing to fall into and would take me down a path away from the Lord. I ended up throwing it away. Thank God!

[@yllatusmuna]

Wise decision. ​I first heard about _The Secret_ when Oprah promoted it big time. I stay away of everything she's into.

[@JakeLeidahl]

@@kays96 Bethel Church is blasphemous and a disgrace. Good choice throwing the book out. I hope you find a counselor who is faithful to God's word

[@Torby4096]

Wow. I can not believe how many of these I have heard people say over the years😮

[@MichaelAndrews-uy1gl]

There is a fine line between new thought and the Word of Faith movement. I don't think it is wise to mix them all together and label them as cults. Some may be, but lets not throw them all in one big bag, and call it a day. This could injure some people, and end up dividing the body of Christ.

[@RodneyWessinger]

If its ok I would like to add to this a little but in no way trying to get anyone to like WOF or anything else .... I have from the very beginning of my Christian life have been taught or made to understand that the devil is not a creator in any way but is a perverter or a counterfeiter only .... and that all things were and could only be created by God.... so nothing that satan comes up with is original... like when Christian rock came out it was blamed on or given credit to the devil but it cant be because he cannot create anything ...just pervert it.....And I agree we should all be not divided and come to the unity of the FAITH.....LOVE TO ALL....LOVE LORD JESUS...!!!

[@RodneyWessinger]

WOW WHERE DID MY REPLY GO...LOL...!!!!!!!!!

[@AaronThinks]

Exactly. You can't say word of faith is wrong, and your reasons are that new thoughters have crazy ideas about the Bible, the purpose of life, and their identity as divine beings. Word of faith folk would disagree with most of those ideas - even if there is some level of similarities in other areas.

[@poliincredible770]

So should we stop reading the 23rd Psalm?

[@HisServant77]

"cow patties?" Hahaha its refreshing to see another brother use that phrase :-D I only heard that from among my biological family here in the south :-D

[@BaerlyAware]

I wish I could take the 'How to interpret your Bible' class unfortunately just can't afford it right now. ☹️ Maybe in the future. 😊

[@yllatusmuna]

❤

[@paulc7190]

yes, the Bible is for my happiness. Salvation but also happiness - not to become a billionaire but to have a healthy soul. There are scriptures that refer to rebuilding the walls. the ruins and that is my soul.

[@redriverwave]

And Dr. Fosdick, “Shall The Fundamentalists Win?”

[@Blablassis]

Hahaha😆Melissa avec Cherry in the cake

[@ingela_injeela]

Satan's prideful "I will... I will... I will..." are the original "Affirmations" and "Visualizations".

[@timfinch7857]

In light of what Melissa says about "I am" statements, I'm just curious what you all think about the song, "I am who You say I am"?

[@AaronThinks]

I think that's completely different. I think there is a place for using "I am" statements. Just because someone has heretical beliefs when they say "I am" doesn't mean there isn't a proper, Biblical way to say "I am..."

[@Blablassis]

Νο judging me all the time is actually makes me happy

[@Franjipane-lh8ni]

Protestant Happy Lies: "eat my flesh and drink my blood" = "eat bread and drink wine".

[@Blablassis]

New thought is we eat 3 pita gyros because we can

[@yllatusmuna]

Nah. I'll take five. I'm good with five. 😂

[@gatodelnero]

Quick question, and excuse my ignorance, but why are there added breaks so frequently. It’s very jarring to have the music come up when the speaker is mid sentence. I’m just getting into the discussion and it throws me out again. Is there a specific reason for this?

[@FrankTurekVideo]

This is also broadcast on radio, hence the hard breaks.

[@gatodelnero]

​@@FrankTurekVideo Ahhhh I see. Writing from the UK so not used to that. Thanks for replying though. Appreciate your work Mr Turek

[@samdung5630]

I'm interested to read her book. I just read about it, and I want to say one thing though. It says she has "loving snark" in it. Which fruit of the Spirit is that? It isn't one of them. I have a really hard time listening to a lot of her stuff, because of that. Snark is not necessary and says something about what's going on in her heart. Really, it's subtle meanness and arrogance.

[@golddustwoman8280]

People who get into the new age labeled as Christian are so hard to wake up.

[@geoffreyedwards6691]

Every thought and example in todays's episode sound exactly like why Lucifer got kicked out of heaven. This new thought ideology quite simply is just an attempt to create a false equation between God's creations with God himself. I know God exists and I'm in no way better than my fellow men, who are in no way even as good as the angels, who were also created by the ultimate being that exists. This is why humility for us is so important for us! Humility is the secret weapon against new thought.

[@ingela_injeela]

You are right. The original "New Thought" was Satan's prideful "I will... I will... I will..." The original "Affirmations" and "Visualizations".

[@geoffreyedwards6691]

@@ingela_injeela And manifestations, let's not forget.

[@gainmeister4505]

It's a sneaky repackaging of the zohar/kabbalism.

[@ingela_injeela]

Aha... So Kabbalah teaches "connecting to your own divinity" too? I have just heard something about "catching the Zumzumim, divine sparks", but don't know the purpose of catching them.

[@gainmeister4505]

@ingela_injeela yeah, it's mysticism at its core. Very much like the chakras spoken about in hindu and buddism, it even teaches reincarnation.

[@ingela_injeela]

@gainmeister4505 Isn't it interesting how the Devil just regurgitates and re-packages the same old lies. All versions of "discover our own divinity".

[@gainmeister4505]

@ingela_injeela Yes, like a snake oil salesman. It's always deception.

[@yllatusmuna]

I love Kaddalah. Especially Curry Kadala.

[@deray9355]

It seems to me they take the reality that is right in front of them and reinterpret it based on the lie the serpent told in the garden. Is that about right?

[@jlau4083]

Jesus came to die for us and He knew the timing. If they claim that He was here to show us how to become gods, I don’t see anyone going to the cross.

[@Blablassis]

Why to become a christian Frank? I want to be a Christina

[@dan24293]

Does New Thought believe Jesus is God?

[@Blablassis]

New thought is like....Can you beileve it? My wife got pregnant by prayer!....

[@yllatusmuna]

Hasn't happened. Never in history. Sorry to disappoint you.

[@paulc7190]

o ye of little, or no, faith

[@redriverwave]

I’ve got to be careful with watching Star Trek, because New Thought must have been the foundational belief system for Gene Roddenberry.

[@TheContrarian32]

There is a certain irony in some of the points made in the podcast. Jesus calls himself God(I’ll grant this for purposes here)and the Jewfish leaders proclaim blasphemy and pick up stones. New Thought suggests the individual is a god and Christian’s get all worked up…like the Jewish leadership did. New Thought suggests a kind of Gnostic thought , which is a kind of secret knowledge. Then our first written Gospel makes reference to secret knowledge and Christian’s ignore it Mark 4:11-12

[@MattTheBandGuy]

Ummm. You’re missing the point entirely with your comment and Bible reference.

[@chloemartel9927]

​@MattTheBandGuy that is all he is capable of. He wallows in his ignorance with abandon....on every video Dr. Turek posts. He is your typical God hating atheist. He needs prayer.

[@TheContrarian32]

@@MattTheBandGuy Help me understand what’s wrong about it.

[@JakeLeidahl]

@@TheContrarian32 wanting to be equal to God was the devil's desire. You and I are the creation of God. Jesus IS God. Jesus existed before creation. "Before Abraham was, I AM"

[@yllatusmuna]

Some people have some 'xplainin' to do ...

[@SoloShagg-Hee]

Happy, happy. Joy, joy. By Ren & Stimpy. Just don't piss on the electric fence.

[@Tri-Fi.Guy.3]

It’s blasphemous to say you want to be like God. However Christians should strive to be like Jesus. And Jesus is God. Can you explain? To truly be like God is to be humble and loving. True love is sacrificial and not to be confused with lust.

[@yllatusmuna]

Good point. 👍

[@LaughtersMelody]

I came across your question while I was looking through the comments below the video, and I wanted to try to offer an answer. Jesus was both fully God and fully man. Because he was both man and God, he is the only human ever to have lived a perfect, sinless life: "For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things just as we are, *yet without sin*." Hebrews 4:15. Jesus had to be a sinless offering on the cross to become the sacrifice for our sins, and it is Jesus' *righteousness* that Christians are to strive to copy in every part of their lives. As Scripture says, "For you have been called for this purpose, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you would follow in His steps, He who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth; and while being abusively insulted, He did not insult in return; while suffering, He did not threaten, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; and He Himself brought our sins in His body up on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live for righteousness; by His wounds you were healed. For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls." - 1 Peter 2: 21-25 But, Christians do not become "divine" as this the false teaching, "New Thought," would argue. God is divine, we are not. True divinity implies perfection, but the human heart terribly, horribly corrupt. Jesus said, "That which comes out of the person, that is what defiles the person. For from within, out of the hearts of people, come the evil thoughts, acts of sexual immorality, thefts, murders, acts of adultery, deeds of greed, wickedness, deceit, indecent behavior, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile the person.” - Mark 7:21-23 Our sinful nature is the reason that Christ needed to die on the cross for us, to take the punishment that we rightfully deserve. When we accept Jesus as Savior, and turn from our sins to follow him, we can know that the penalty for our sins has already been paid. But, as long as we live on this earth, our sinful nature continues to exist inside us, and there is a constant battle between our new saved nature and our sinful nature. During our walk with Christ, we will often fail to live up to god's standards. We will still sin. We will struggle and stumble and fall. The Apostle Paul said it this way: "I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully agree with the law of God in the inner person, but I see a different law in the parts of my body waging war against the law of my mind, and making me a prisoner of the law of sin, the law which is in my body’s parts. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!" Romans 7:21-25 The Christian's life is a constant process of sanctification - trying with all that we have to become like Jesus in *righteousness,* trying to honor God with every word, every deed, and every thought. Scripture says, "...consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore sin is not to reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the parts of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those who are alive from the dead, and our body’s parts as instruments of righteousness for God." - Romans 6:11-13 But even as we strive to do that - to defeat sin in our lives - we have to recognize that, while we can grow and change with God's help over time on this earth, we can never become truly righteous by ourselves - NEVER. We always need God's grace through Jesus - that is our only hope for salvation: "But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." -Romans 6:22-23 That is why New Thought is dangerous. It tries to teach, ultimately, that we don't need a Savior because human nature is good already, and we can be our own gods. This is the opposite of the Gospel and a very dangerous doctrine.

[@LaughtersMelody]

(I'm very sorry if my comment somehow appears twice - I don't wish to bother you. But my computer crashed while I was replying, and I just wanted to make sure this got through okay, since you asked for someone to explain.) I came across your question while I was looking through the comments below the video, and I wanted to try to offer an answer. Jesus was both fully God and fully man. Because he was both man and God, he is the only human ever to have lived a perfect, sinless life: "For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things just as we are, yet without sin." -Hebrews 4:15, NAS. Jesus had to be a sinless offering on the cross to become the sacrifice for our sins, and it is Jesus' *righteousness* that Christians are to strive to copy in every part of their lives. As Scripture says, "For you have been called for this purpose, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you would follow in His steps, He who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth; and while being abusively insulted, He did not insult in return; while suffering, He did not threaten, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; and He Himself brought our sins in His body up on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live for righteousness; by His wounds you were healed. For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls." But, Christians do not become "divine" as this the false teaching, "New Thought," would argue. God is divine, we are not. True divinity implies perfection, but the human heart is terribly, horribly corrupt. Jesus said, "That which comes out of the person, that is what defiles the person. For from within, out of the hearts of people, come the evil thoughts, acts of sexual immorality, thefts, murders, acts of adultery, deeds of greed, wickedness, deceit, indecent behavior, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile the person.” - Mark 7:21-23 Our sinful nature is the reason that Christ needed to die on the cross for us, to take the punishment that we rightfully deserve. When we accept Jesus as Savior, and turn from our sins to follow him, we can know that the penalty for our sins has already been paid. But, as long as we live on this earth, our sinful nature continues to exist inside us, and there is a constant battle between our new saved nature and our sinful nature. During our walk with Christ, we will often fail to live up to God's standards. We will still sin. We will struggle and stumble and fall. The Apostle Paul said it this way: "I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully agree with the law of God in the inner person, but I see a different law in the parts of my body waging war against the law of my mind, and making me a prisoner of the law of sin, the law which is in my body’s parts. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!" Romans 7:21-25 The Christian's life is a constant process of sanctification - trying with all that we have to become like Jesus in *righteousness,* trying to honor God with every word, every deed, and every thought. Scripture says, "...consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore sin is not to reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the parts of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those who are alive from the dead, and our body’s parts as instruments of righteousness for God." - Romans 6:11-13 But even as we strive to do that - to defeat sin in our lives - we have to recognize that, while we can grow and change with God's help over time, we can never become truly righteous by ourselves - NEVER. We always need God's grace through Jesus - that is our only hope for salvation: "But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." -Romans 6:22-23 That is why New Thought is dangerous. It tries to teach, ultimately, that we don't need a Savior because human nature is good already, and we can be our own gods. This is the opposite of the Gospel and a very dangerous doctrine.

[@Robert-r4s4c]

It is not about the Bible. It is about the Church (Body of Christ) established by Christ in 33 AD which was responsible for the Bible in the first place, which teaches the fullness of the means of salvation.

[@AaronThinks]

Why is it wrong for a Christian to do affirmations? I wish you would have explored the Christian thoughts behind doing them. Instead you said affirmations are wrong because new thoughters think they are divine beings. You can't say an action is wrong because somebody has a crazy motivation when they do that action.

[@catherinequake2621]

How can lies be happy?? Lies break up people's trust and hurt people. When you lie to people, you sin against God. People lied to you and you are happy but base on 👉 not true. They have bad motive. 1. Happy base on true not lie.

[@jeremycoleman318]

At the core of what she talks about makes sense but watching her on another channel the way she navigates the conversation it makes me feel like it's as manipulative as the evil she's trying to expose which I know it's not her intent. I don't know if it's her presentation style or the content but I sincerely people will be more confused or mislead in the process of trying to prevent that. Am I the only one who thinks that way with her and the topic and I sincerely mean no disrespect at all.

[@simonskinner1450]

No Frank baby girls are born fully empathetic and would care naturally, it is society that abuses and corrupts, and Paul tells us the same in Romans 2:14 of inherent goodness.

[@LaughtersMelody]

Respectfully, being caring and being empathetic are wonderful things, but they will not save anyone, even baby girls. Baby girls are sinners just like baby boys because we are all descended from Adam and Eve. We have all inherited sin, and the we also make our own choices to sin. The point Frank made about children not having to be taught to sin applies to girls as much as boys. When I was a little girl, no one had to teach me to lie. I did that on my own. I was never abused and had a safe childhood. I have a loving and caring, Godly mother who I am incredibly thankful for. But I had to be taught not to lie because it is against God's law. I did not know that instinctively. And even if I had, and even if I had never lied once, I have broken many of God's other commands, and I'm still guilty before God. Society did not do that to me. I have made my own choices and I'm lost without Christ's death on the cross. The verse you're referring to is talking about Gentiles who who did not have the Ten Commandments to follow as the Jewish people did. They could not be expected to follow a law they did not know. But, Paul points out that some of them do try to follow God's laws without knowing them. They already recognize that those laws - such as not lying - are good. Paul goes on to say that, "in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of mankind through Christ Jesus." Romans 2:15. But, notice that Paul does not say that these people are without sin because, as Paul says in that same letter, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." -Romans 3:23. Sinners can still be caring and empathetic. But caring and empathy by themselves will not save either girls or boys. Only accepting Jesus's death on the cross as a penalty for our sins and trusting in Him for salvation can do that.

[@matthewford4050]

Do you believe that people (babies) are born innocent and then turn to sin? Total depravity teaches that God made you wicked. That is he made everyone wicked at birth (due to Adam). The scriptures and Ante-Nicene writers were very clear that people were born innocent but turned to sin. Not born wicked. It seems the new thought is somewhat of pendulum swing against a different Gnostic sect of thought called Calvinism. Yes... Calvinism has clear roots in manichean Gnostic thought via Augustine.

[@matthewford4050]

Another thought is that system like LDS believe that the fall in the garden was good. It was needed for humans to become gods. LDS is connected to freemasonry and therfore Gnostic thought as well.

[@ttshiroma]

Sounds like a lot of wordiness to baffle one with BS!!! This New thought crap is the worlds way accepting the ENEMIES ways to water down the Word of God!!! This thought process is the beginning of the journey to the wide road to destruction that many will go through!

[@wendy6781]

@yllatusmuna New thought is the law of attraction type thinking. It is the Wayne Dyer mantra that says you are what you think. For me it was an introduction to the practice of new age; the 'science' behind it seemed to make sense. At that time, I wanted nothing to do with God and the law of attraction allowed me to 'be spiritual' without God, or so I thought. New thought is about manifesting an abundant life by putting out positive energy and thereby drawing positive energy back to you. Which, BTW, I would like to ask practitioners how that is working for them in today's world. New age goes deeper. It is a natural progression to move from the beginner stage of law of attraction to using tarot, crystals, meditation, channelling, psychics, etc. New age is that practice. Either way, God is not in this. Read Deut. 18 verses 10-12.