[PODCAST] The 3 C's to Deliverance from Demonic Oppression with Dr. Karl Payne

[@CrossExamined]

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[@ingela_injeela]

This was so refreshing. Thank you.

[@CrossExamined]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@freeborn7]

I had the devil tell me I had sinned too much, and then he said "You are no longer mine", or something to that effect. Essentially acting as if God was speaking to me. I turned around and said "I am not sure how that can be the case, seeing I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus."

[@chad9455]

Have to be careful talking how the devil audibly speaks to us. The devil isn’t omnipresent like God. He can only be in one location at a time.

[@freeborn7]

@chad9455 I'm not referring to the devil himself.

[@Thebravemovement]

This was incredible! Thank you both 🙏🏼

[@ingela_injeela]

I am convinced you are right. It's about TRUTH more than it is about *power* .

[@EmilyHopesToSing]

So good guys. Thank you for sharing 🙏🏻

[@ChrisGrayGuitar]

Just ordered the book. God bless you two gentlemen.

[@freeborn7]

Honestly, such a great podcast.

[@CrossExamined]

We're glad you enjoyed it!

[@somersmith2142]

I just want to say, I had a demon. It was a traumatic, terrifying, experience. I experienced an actual deliverance when I sought Christ. I repented that day. That was a little over 6 years ago, and I’m still working through trauma from it (and other issues) with a biblical counselor. Demons are very much so real.

[@frankguetta9529]

Could you share your experience of this demon?

[@toddmoran4630]

Man like David and Solomon had multiple wives. Hundreds of concubines. So did they not struggle with lust? Does this mean they were demon possessed?

[@CrossExamined]

🙏🙏🙏

[@somersmith2142]

@@frankguetta9529 It’s a long story, and probably a bit too much to type out here. Short account, sparing many details- I have a history of satanism/witchcraft/occultism/New Age, all at various stages in my life. I’m sure that may have been a driving force in what happened to me. Though at the time it all began, I was only periodically using tarot cards. And it seemed to happen in two stages. It all started after moving into a new place, what seemed to be a “haunting.” Footsteps upstairs and a garbage can being forcefully moved when no one else was home, faucets turning on and off by them selves in the upstairs bathroom. Over the coarse of time in that townhome in particular my kids all experienced things. the front door slammed shut on its own and footsteps on the landing stairs despite the door being locked and myself and my kids all upstairs. But a couple months into living there, one day I was driving my kids to school, and on the way home I felt what felt like something entering me, in my chest, and it immediately took over. But not in like, involuntary ways with like body movement or anything like that. It took over in a dominating presence in and outside of me, with a constant state of being in a panic attack is the only way I can describe it, along unrelenting torment. My entire world was turned upside down. All sense of normalcy was gone. All sense of doing what people do, like eating, doing laundry, driving, talking sometimes, literally everything- gone. I was at the mercy of this thing. I thought I was going crazy. I went to a therapist and that did no good, so I decided I had to figure it out on my own and that led me full blown into the New Age. It took me a while to realize I had a demon. The first year stripped me of everything, and it was horrifying. After a little over a year or so, I moved into a townhome across the alley and a couple months later it all stopped. But then it started again and was much worse. Night times were awful, with presence like, while inside of me- would cause this intense tightening in my chest. I can’t explain it. And simultaneously its presence would be like, sitting on my chest, mocking me. And it was pure evil, bent on destroying and tormenting me. I couldn’t eat at all. I went from a size 9 to a 0. My face was a bit sunken in, and my upper body too- just didn’t look right. I had these horrible nightmares of grotesque things happening to me- and I would wake up gagging a lot. I also had this horrible facial/tooth pain that I had never experienced before. Non stop, day and night, excruciating pain. I thought it was a tooth infection at first of some sort, but antibiotics didnt work, pain reliever didn’t work. And it was in my face, my cheeks and around my eyes with this tingling feeling. I remember thinking, what in the world is going on?! What is wrong with my face?! I was in a constant state of terror with the presence swirling around me all day, and I was distraught. I was hopeless and legitimately thought I was going to die. There was this slab of cement by the river in town and I would go and lay on it sometimes, and bawl and just lay there and stare off into the water and trees, wishing to either have it end or for me to die. I type this stuff out, but it does no justice for trying to articulate and explain what I went through. Eventually, I began to realize I was dealing with a demon but I didn’t dare address it because I was terrified of what would happen to me. One night I came across a video from Doreen Virtue after she was saved that was talking about demons and that Jesus is the only way to be rid of them. That night, instead of crying myself to sleep, I said Jesus over and over while crying myself to sleep, and that began to be my nearly nighttime routine. And when the attacks at night would be terrible in the middle of the night, I would say Jesus until I fell back to sleep. Eventually, everything kept getting worse and I wanted to get out of where I was living, hoping it would end the stuff with the demon. I did move, but it didn’t end. Sparing more details for time’s sake- we come to where I realized I needed and wanted to be rid of the demon, and a friend of mine who was a Christian told me only Jesus could do it. So I sat down with the Bible gifted to me a year prior, and I began by praying Scripture. And then praying to Jesus and asking for help. And I asked for the Holy Spirit, confessed lies I was believing, continued to ask Jesus for help, and told the demon to GO. It put up a fight and I almost gave up. It was terrifying. I was yelling Scripture and yelling at the demon to go and it was just crazy, like out of a movie. Finally, it left. I felt it leave, and immediately when it left, I began to bawl- almost involuntarily I would say. It was like, demon gone, tears pouring. I mean, I’ve never ever cried like this. I’ve never seen anyone else cry like this. Then I thanked Jesus over and over again. A couple hours later my friend texted me and ask if this all changed my thoughts about Jesus, and I said yes. Later that day I went to her house and repented, and put my faith in Christ. I began spending hours reading the Bible, and I threw out all of my tarot cards and the new age books I had been studying. Again, sparing many details. But, by the grace of God, here I am today. I am so grateful to Him, for hearing my cries for mercy that day and delivering me from the demon, and, for taking the punishment for my sins, and giving me the gift of eternal life. It’s truly an amazing thing!

[@somersmith2142]

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[@gi169]

God bless CrossExamined

[@canigetachannel]

Be there tonight?

[@gi169]

@canigetachannel Maybe, I'm a bad signal area... God bless, Lord willing, I'll be in chat...

[@CrossExamined]

God bless you!

[@shaysdy3357]

Just ordered the book ❤

[@jillchandler8532]

I live in Spokane. We don't get as much rain as Seattle does!!!

[@willhartman300]

This actually happened. I had a probable brain trauma when I was 13. I'm now 50. I've been plagued with mental symptoms for a very, very long time. Today was one of the worst. I watched the first video in this series (there are two), and on this one, as soon as the pastor brought up "brain trauma," my doorbell rang. Keep in mind it's about 28 degrees out, it's pitch dark outside in Ohio. I looked outside, and there's a bespectacled man dressed in all black. He knocked twice. I finally went to the window and asked "What do you want?" only to find he was already walking away. Turns out he left one of those small repentance packets. It's titled "Do You Know." It is unsigned - there is no identifying church or person on the pamphlet.

[@sundrycoder6545]

i have read his book and recommended it to others for years.

[@CrossExamined]

🙏🙏🙏

[@freeborn7]

I think you're wrong on there not being many demons, to be honest. I think there are more than enough demons to go around, and they are constantly waiting for opportunities. Not everything is a demon, but in my experience I was naive for waaay too long about their antics.

[@CrossExamined]

Thank you for tuning in!

[@DG-dd2ln]

Ps. 91

[@maivang1067]

Was there courses for this topic that I can take? Any with hands on experience? Idk what i’m really looking for…just an unction to look into deliverance. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@CrossExamined]

Here's our website for all online courses! www.onlinechristiancourses.com/

[@maivang1067]

@ thank you! 🙏

[@johngalvin9248]

I think you was referring to the book Outwitting The Devil by Napolean Hill.

[@freeborn7]

He also convinces you that it's your sin, instead of his.

[@freeborn7]

Don't get me wrong, it is yours too, because you're adopting it, and because you have a weakness that you allowed him to exploit. Speaking to myself here, as much as anyone. lol

[@megalopolis2015]

It can be both, or either.

[@chad9455]

Your sin is your sin, we need more accountability in our Christian walk, not less.

[@freeborn7]

@chad9455 read my next comment

[@freeborn7]

You know, this one point is the very reason this scripture was written. It's all lies, he has no real power. Just the mast of deception. He convinces us that it's our sin, and that maybe it's okay in the moment, and then becomes our sin. He did the same thing to eve. Isaiah 14:16-17 (ESV) 16 Those who see you will stare at you and ponder over you: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, 17 who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who did not let his prisoners go home?’

[@rob_berto9895]

Hebrews sealed

[@DG-dd2ln]

Dr. Michael Heiser

[@wayiamstarr]

Is this biblical ? Hmm?

[@dannodoesfunthings8100]

No it's not. Another charlatan.

[@arthurattila7835]

Which part do you question?

[@HarryFaber-z7l]

Jesus entered the synagogue. There was a man there who had a withered hand. They watched Jesus closely to see if he would cure him on the sabbath so that they might accuse him. He said to the man with the withered hand, “Come up here before us.” Then he said to the Pharisees, “Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath rather than to do evil, to save life rather than to destroy it?” But they remained silent. Looking around at them with anger and grieved at their hardness of heart, Jesus said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out and his hand was restored. The Pharisees went out and immediately took counsel with the Herodians against him to put him to death.

[@TheContrarian32]

I’d love to have my vision restored. Sabbath or not, I’d convert on the spot if that happened.

[@HarryFaber-z7l]

@@TheContrarian32 Not sure, but you might be putting the cart before the horse, always seems that people had faith that Jesus could cure them. I don't know. What I do know having been acting unpaid chauffeur to a lady who has just gone through the processes to correct cataracts as well as all the processes to give her back some hearing, plastic knees and metal hips, is that none of it will save your life and none of it will turn you back into a teenager. I assume that the medical profession can't help?

[@TheContrarian32]

@@HarryFaber-z7l No. Retina disease, maybe 12 surgeries to try and improve. And you are right…Jesus tends to help those who have faith. But not everyone…just a select few it seems. Here’s a curve ball for you; I occasionally walk to my local Catholic Parrish for Mass. I don’t participate, I just enjoy the traditions. They still do Mass in Latin at this location.

[@HarryFaber-z7l]

@@TheContrarian32 I do love the Mass in Latin, but I love it in English and French. For a Catholic, the Mass is the 'source and summit'. For me, the Eucharist was the 'end' of my conversion. You may understand how solidly based in scripture the Mass is, few 'evangelicals' ever study what is going on in the liturgy of the mass. Back to 'knowing' and 'believing'. Many months ago, during a full blown TLM, while the nuns were singing the psalm, I was watching how the smoke rising from the incense was catching the sun, it was beautiful. The priest read the epistle and then we sang the alleluias and the priest opened the Gospels and did not incense the book. There was no thurifer, no incense during that service. That gave me a bit of a jolt. Was I day-dreaming? Hallucinating? Was I in 'another place'? Those folk who don't believe that there is a god of any kind will really have their fuses blown if we get into the esoterics of the mass. Do I believe all that stuff? Not all of it, but more of it than a pure logician could accept. Do I have 'evidence'? To a degree, that depends what 'the court' will accept to be evidence but does the evidence prove the case? Nope. In a Church with 100 seats, how can all the angels and saints, the entire Church, Militant and Triumphant, be in the room? I have never spoken to anyone who claims to have seen the angels, but I know several priests who have had folk in their congregations who say that they have. None of the priests 100% believe them, but none of those priests will say 'it didn't happen'. I do not know that the angels are present, I believe that they are. Am I mad? The last doctor to answer that question said 'No' but qualified it with 'in my opinion' and 'I believe', he didn't claim to know either.

[@TheContrarian32]

@@HarryFaber-z7l I was a Catholic in my early years. I believed I was very devout. I even earned a degree in theology….not a phd, mind you…just a 2 year degree. Took multiple historical Jesus classes and early Christian studies in college. I say all this to express my…once…commitment to the faith, and, why I’m so interested in it to this day. Most people seemingly can’t understand how someone can be interested in these subjects without devotion to the ascribed theology. Well….here I am…I do. I think we as humans can get caught up in the experience of something, particularly the collective experience of celebrating mass together. Does this experience legitimize our beliefs? Maybe not….but, it can certainly reinforce our beliefs through the experience which sure feels like the experience was “real”. For some , that experience is sufficient to warrant belief….and, I’ll never try to convince someone They are wrong. In fact, I believe them when they express their belief. But, I can’t help but wonder at what point we start to transition from a warranted belief into it taking form as a known entity. I don’t know….the mind is a crazy world.

[@paulrivalto1974]

There is only one way to combat Demon oppression! IN CHRIST! JOHN 15:1-8. Abide....Abide....ABIDE!! In Christ alone! For apart from Christ we can do nothing! John 15:5. Ephesians 6 tells us to put on the full armor of God! That armor is supplied for us in the truth of Christ's own teaching, as we learn to abide only in Chris!

[@maivang1067]

A rubber sword ⚔️

[@crcronin7899]

No such thing as generational curses or sin. In Christ we are set free and free indeed. We cannot be accountable for ancestral sin.

[@7uhv]

Read

[@toddmoran4630]

Can u explain the Old Testament king David and Solomon having concubines and multiple multiple wives. They surely struggled w lust. So were they demon possessed ? Hard to buy that

[@CrossExamined]

This podcast episode might help! crossexamined.org/title-why-arent-christians-better-people-politics-qa/

[@toddmoran4630]

@ thank you

[@toddmoran4630]

@@CrossExamined that is kind of another subject. I’m asking if lust or continual thoughts is an indicator of demons, than was David and Solomon demon possessed? I’d think not. David was a man after Gods own heart. Human and filled with struggle. To have hundreds of sexual partners would suggest he struggled with thoughts and lust continually. Same for Solomon. So buy into that being the work of demonic possession is hard for me to understand.

[@TheContrarian32]

@@toddmoran4630 What’s more probable and plausible; that they were possessed by a demon, or, that they simply gave into their primal urge for sexual gratitude and were able to have multiple partners?

[@rolandwatts3218]

Demons, angels, God, Satan, heaven, hell - all disappear when one loses one's faith. Reality, whatever it is, continues to exist. But those things all go.

[@TommyTroll1.1]

Are you insinuating one needs 'faith' in Jesus Christ to believe in a spiritual realm? Yes, reality does exist, regardless of what your perspective is of it, and all those things DON'T actually go anywhere.

[@TheContrarian32]

Whether they go away or not is one thing. But, they certainly stop popping up when you are no longer looking for them.

[@rolandwatts3218]

@ Not necessarily. I am aware of some non theists, perhaps even atheists who would accept the existence of a spiritual realm, but one without Gods or gods. When all of humanity is considered, it's very, very complex. //and all those things DON'T actually go anywhere.//

 Well if they don’t exist they don’t exist to go anywhere. If they do exist, they don’t go anywhere.

[@rolandwatts3218]

@ Very true.

[@arthurattila7835]

I think they are all still there. You just call them something else. Isn't that possible?

[@yitzharos]

How do you begin a video about fighting demons, but both of you are more interested in your football trophies than scripture...how can I trust anything from idolaters?

[@sethwilkinson55]

lol I forgot people can’t have any hobbies or jobs……also you must have missed the part that says PART TWO….it was one continuous podcast broken into two and this was the second

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Stop dodging responsibility. The demon is you. Change that.

[@kinggenius930]

I can't think of any reason sufficient enough to believe in the literal existence of devils

[@awethinic8379]

Really? Do you read the Bible?

[@kinggenius930]

@awethinic8379 I have read it

[@frankguetta9529]

@@awethinic8379 Yes. More evidence that the bible is made up by ancient men who believed in demons and devils. 😅

[@TommyTroll1.1]

That's *understandable* for someone who believes they're the product of nothing more than a primordial mutating glob of cells that somehow formed an apelike ancestor that you're a descendant of! I can't think of any reason to believe ☝️ that pseudoscience theorytale concoction, but hey you do and this is what your carnal mind has been relegated to believe through your rigid indoctrination. It is quite puzzling though, KG, how the carnal mind believes a male can believe they're a woman. I wonder if that's got anything to do with demons or a 'meant_tall' health issue.

[@frankguetta9529]

@@TommyTroll1.1 Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa. Most scientists currently recognize some 15 to 20 different species of early humans. Smithsonian.

[@dannodoesfunthings8100]

Wow, garbage teaching. Not Biblical at all. Verses taken out of context and lots of personal "experience."

[@timfinch7857]

Please provide examples of how this is "garbage teaching" and how they are "taking scriptures out of context." Not trying to be difficult but I get so tired of individuals with short negative comments who provide little to no examples that support their positions.

[@arthurattila7835]

Why do you call it "garbage teaching?" When you encounter a demon, what do you do? Really, I'm not disrespecting you, I'm asking you.

[@timfinch7857]

@@arthurattila7835 I asked virtually the same question as you with no response. Sometimes I think people just enjoy being controversial and when asked legitimate questions to counter their short, negative comment(s), there's crickets proving they've got nothing.

[@frankguetta9529]

Grown adults talking about demons. 😂 And apparently it’s in the Bible. Great advert for the Bible folks. NOT.

[@gi169]

I know , right FrankyC. As if demons would convince anyone of their reality. If I worked for your boss I'd tell people not to believe in fairy tales .

[@frankguetta9529]

@ What do these demons look like? Or are they spiritual beings that you can’t actually see or detect?

[@gi169]

@@frankguetta9529 You see them all the time FrankyC

[@frankguetta9529]

@ Can you elaborate? Perhaps you’re mistaking them for something natural and normal.

[@gi169]

​@@frankguetta9529 What is natural, what's normal FrankyC? I doubt you even understand those terms.

[@DG-dd2ln]

Dr. Michael Heiser