PODCAST: The Grammys can't stop awarding Taylor Swift... make it stop

How much more acclaim does one woman need??
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[@otisedwards8827]

No hate on taylor, but i don't want the narrative of "it's Taylor Swift's world, we're just living in it" to have more weight than it already does.

[@chrisrj9871]

Sooner or later, she too will be older than Madonna and 90% of _her_ songs will be brutally forgotten by _that_ generation. hope I Live to Tell... people so.

[@otisedwards8827]

@@chrisrj9871 with how people love her music, old, new, and re recorded, I'm not sure if her music will forgotten like that.

[@eclipsewaves]

​@@chrisrj9871 I don't think her music will be easily forgotten. The re-recorded albums that she released over the past years already cemented the fact that her music will live on in the industry in the future.

[@chrisrj9871]

@@eclipsewaves - That's what every generation says about their music and now Gen-Z can't name more than 2 songs by Madonna, and she's been known as a hit-making machine for at least 3 decades! Holiday, Like a Prayer, Human Nature, 4 Minutes... it's kinda depressing; it's how a long-respected artist loses their legacy and when you're a fan of that artist (I range from Madonna to Foo Fighters) watching it happen... yeah I listen to stuff from way back when records were new sometimes, and the jazz age, so I can keep all those singers' legacies alive a bit longer (and they're fun).

[@chrisrj9871]

@@otisedwards8827 - that's what every generation says.

[@C_M_R]

Miley saying "too iconic" was referring to having Mariah give her an award. I thought this was pretty clear in her speech.

[@emmapepperoni9972]

Yeah... it's obvious she was gushing over Mariah. She said "too iconic" not "two icons" as if she was referring to herself being one

[@agogobell28]

I’m just glad that Tracy Chapman and Luke Combs had a good time on that stage together.

[@louisduarte8763]

I caught that, thought it sounded nice, and saw Taylor singing along to it.

[@dollartwentychickentendies]

Best moment tbh Maybe the manufactured rage over a country cover can go away for good now

[@amberhernandez]

They were so good; I just wished they did more! Like Todd said, if they'd harmonised some, it would've been a great performance!! 😪

[@LetterNumber]

They had zero chemistry in that performance but the moment still made me smile

[@Rathulu03]

Same

[@ShannaFarley]

Jay Z is on to something. SZA's SOS should have won. It is more artistically inspired and is just overall a more important album culturally. I love Midnights, but it's not the best album of the year or even among Taylor's best. Taylor deserved it for Folklore. Beyonce should have gotten the award for Lemonade, which was beat out by Adele's 25. Again not a bad album, but it was basically an extension of her 21 album, which she got album of the year. (Which was deserved.)

[@vegankibum5975]

This!!

[@Liquidplasticable]

Yup and Kendrick not winning best Rap album for TPAB, and losing to Macklemore, is absolutely insane to me.

[@AriJeru]

I can’t believe Lemonade didn’t win. It was amazing

[@yvette4948]

Even Adele called them out. Which is why I’m guessing 30 didn’t win last year.

[@ambriaashley3383]

@@AriJeruexactly. Lemonade was better & more forward pushing than 25. 25 is great but no 21!! She & other black artists have been consistently disrespected by the Grammys despite their massive achievements over the years

[@digitaljanus]

54:00 - Joni Mitchell had a brain aneurysm in 2015 and had a long recovery--I think it took her a while to relearn how to walk and how to play guitar. So I can see her being really invested in cementing her legacy while she still has this second chance.

[@JonathanLedbetter]

I had no idea. I'll have to seek out her performance.

[@collectingmemoriesyt]

I have nothing against Taylor Swift, her music isn't for me but I think she talented and am happy for her success but man, am I tired of hearing about her.

[@imjakedeason]

small boy

[@Prestidigitoreum]

Exactly the feeling

[@elskabee]

I actually like some of her music but am also sick of constantly hearing about her

[@xoxoxo6020]

If i hear one singer's name everyday and i don't HATE that person, I want to at least have a listen. But you never try once so maybe you just hate her.

[@xoxoxo6020]

Btw, every famous person are famous for some reason. In this case, you just don't involved in that reason.

[@acecola8295]

The main thing that kinda irks be about Taylor Swift winning album of the year this year is that now she's won that award more times than Stevie Wonder. And keep in mind in order to accomplish that Stevie Wonder needed to make 3 of the best albums ever made back to back. Swift may be good, but she's not THAT good, especially since there were definitely better albums in the running this year.

[@JebusMatoi]

Stevie is a once in a lifetime talent like MJ or Whitney. The Grammys need Taylor to win AOTY to get anyone to talk about the Grammys anymore.

[@romirosta1917]

⁠ 1. Commercially success (physical sales, digital sales, streams, radio, tour, etc.): Midnights>SOS and other nominees 2. Critically acclaim on Metacritic: GUTS(91)>SOS (90)>Midnights(85)>other nominees (Midnights has more reviews on Metacritic than other nominees) 3. Cultural+Global impact: Midnights>SOS+other nominees 4. Breaking Records: Midnights>SOS+other nominees 5. Longevity (US+Global Charts): Midnights>SOS+other nominees Overall: Midnights Win 🎉 “a strong AOTY should have a healthy combination of success, cultural impact, and quality. it should be the album that defined music of that year” It’s called cultural+global impact when Midnights still on the Top 10 Global Spotify charts+other platforms (SOS+other niminess can’t relate). Midnights is like an epilogue album to close her 10th eras. She’s getting some lingering feelings off her chest that must have ballooned up having to go back and re-record her previous albums and revisit old memories and old wounds. Anti Hero is the best self-loathing anthem. She nailed it with the introspective and self-critical thinking. Also, Karma is a pop banger, it really showcases the “good karma” is real, the compassion, the integrity, the dedication as human being. P.S. Before this Grammys, Taylor Swift won 3 Grammys Album Of The Year in 3 different genres (country, pop, folk/alternative) in 3 different decades (2000s, 2010s, 2020s) with Fearless, 1989 and Folklore

[@charlestaylor7117]

It all depends on the year though. I agree with what you are saying; but I think she should not have won best pop vocal album; winning album of the year makes more sense. But she won both!! 🙄

[@eli10589]

​@romirosta1917 that changes NOTHING. Stevie Wonder is a legend and has made phenomenal music for around 50 years. He deserves more recognition than someone who makes albums just to win awards. 😒

[@gclip9883]

​@@romirosta1917 Thats an interesting analysis, but you are missing one massive point. The Grammys literally have a rulebook that states what should constitute a winner. Guess what: It is specifically mentioned that winners should be awarded ONLY on artistic merit, and that sales or chart placements should NOT factor into the decision. And the funny thing is that they also write in the same vein that the reason for that is to protect the integrity of the award. The exact thing that people are critizising them forever, with another reason now. Also, it is worth mentioning that in the past, there were albums which were even more successful and acclaimed, but didn't win. So the Grammys are not being consistent here at all (not that they ever were). And i would argue that Midnights did not define this year as much. It was her tour that got all of the attention, and of course the rereleases of her old albums. SOS was truly something fresh, that also got hugely popular. Again, in the past, there were some winners only with moderate success and mediocre critiques. So that is not really a convincing argument, next to the fact that is literally goes against the rules.

[@shadowlinkbds]

I didn't even have to watch the Grammys to know that Taylor Swift would get all the attention there. Stuff like that is just too predictable at this point.

[@LoneWulf278]

Right?! 😂

[@ikexbankai]

Taylor only won 2 awards. She lost more than she won. She lost most of the awards she was up for

[@ravenswood118]

@@ikexbankai She literally became the first person in history to have won AOTY four times. She beat out legends like Frank Sinatra and Stevie Wonder. The Grammys were all about Taylor for this reason alone. This is the one thing everyone is walking away talking about.

[@kendallmonge649]

@@ikexbankai Yeeeeah... not gonna lie, it sounds disingenuous to say "she lost more than she won" when she walked away with the most prestigious award of the night (and made history for winning more AOTY awards than anyone else)... especially when there were far superior contenders this year.

[@sylvereon]

@@kendallmonge649far superior? Like what

[@stfn4472]

Joni stole the show. I don't think I was ever in a collective moment like that, where I started crying, I look over to my girlfriend and she's crying, my family is crying, and they cut to people in the audience and THEY'RE crying. Fucking Jay Z had tears in his eye. I never had a moment like that watching an award show, let alone the Grammys. Powerful.

[@krigillustrate]

i'm glad i wasn't the only one, that performance really moved me 🥹

[@terminallumbago6465]

@@krigillustrateEspecially when you know what Joni’s been through in recent years. For a long time she seemed to step away from the industry. Then she had a brain aneurysm in 2015 and almost died. But over several years she relearned how to walk, talk, sing, and play again. Maybe that health scare caused her to reevaluate things and accept the legacy she’s built for herself, and now she’s getting back out there and basking in the celebration of that legacy.

[@cl8804]

dam u gay

[@peterlyon367]

Grammys ended up with 17.1 million viewers. After bottoming out at 8.8 million viewers in 2021, it seems like people are voluntarily watching this again

[@ravenswood118]

And that's why MID-nights won AOTY. Swifties bring ratings.

[@ktkatte6791]

@@ravenswood118 seems a bit delusional

[@ravenswood118]

@@ktkatte6791 It seems delusional that Midnights would win AOTY, but here we are.

[@louisduarte8763]

I wanted to see Metallica win something, but that occurred before the main ceremony. I didn't find out they won Best Metal Album until I found out from their Instagram page, and only the bass player showed up to accept.

[@ktkatte6791]

@@ravenswood118 it doesn't though. Swift is basically an old school pop star in an era that cannot support the old music industry ways (this is mostly a good thing, the gatekeeping sucked ass) But being that she is basically that kind of pop star, the industry such that it is, is going to be all-in on supporting the acts that still drive album sales at scale. It beomes sensible from a business POV even if critically, artistically, it makes little to no sense. I think that "Swifties bring the views" is a bit crazy, but it's close to what this actually is, which is the music industry hedging its bets on the acts that still bring the type of numbers they've been conditioned to expect and want. A couple of Grammys can drive sales. An unearned feather in the cap of this album and for an artist that is trusted to move product.

[@b.a.m.4135]

I don't watch award shows, I judge them based on how much pain they make Lina and Todd feel

[@salty898]

i think taylor swift too overexposed for comfort, and i am not a "hater" or anything like that.

[@dieSchreckschraube]

Same. I don't hate her, I just don't care about her at all. HBut having her constantly shoved down our throats could make one hate her eventually though, from all the overexposure.

[@TheFlexorcist-zq7ff]

Emmys used to let people remove their names from contention. Candice Bergen, Helen Hunt, and Oprah Winfrey all had to do this b/c the Emmys never knew when to quit and all three wanted to spread the wealth after multiple wins. Not sure if the Grammys would allow it but Taylor, if Oprah can do it....

[@yvette4948]

Also Taylor loves getting praised. So I don’t see her removing her name anytime soon

[@Rachel-sm7ym]

Artists have to submit their music to get nominated and can choose not to (The Weeknd and Frank Ocean have publicly chosen not to in the last few years) but I don’t see Taylor refusing to submit her music so she’s probably going to keep getting handed awards

[@Sourcoolness]

You actually have to submit your music yourself so if she's still getting nominated, that means she still wants to be.

[@JebusMatoi]

The problem is you would have to assume Taylor would have the humbleness to stop submitting her work for Grammy nominations but her ego will never let her leave the spotlight.

[@deneengrant2086]

Silk Sonic removed their album from nomination in 2022.

[@meatforbreakfast]

I'm glad Miley won, been a fan of hers for like 15 years, and while Flowers is not the greatest song ever it's a decent, catchy pop song and I have always understood her many nominations (and now wins) this year to more or less be justice for Plastic Hearts not getting the deserved recognition at the time and so I am super happy Miley finally received some flowers!!

[@Bleuryder]

I'm not a fan of Miley at all, and I'm super happy she won. She totally deserves it. The song is stupid catchy (I was humming it the day after 😂), and Miley has done the work and the time. I'm not saying "give her all the awards!" Or that the other haven't worked for it, just that it's about time Miley gets SOME recognition. This is strictly opinion, but she also came off as more humble, accepting the award than Taylor.

[@sienna7241]

i wish she had won something for plastic hearts. such a good album and one that i think played to her strengths. but i’ll take this!

[@JebusMatoi]

The fact that Olivia was nominated for 8 of the high tier awards and walked away with none...

[@jiangnanyu8722]

same as Billie Eilish second album

[@xrrgr]

@@jiangnanyu8722 was gonna say the same thing

[@archivesunset4214]

basically sza for ctrl

[@cl8804]

less b reel none these bishes deserve any wards

[@louisduarte8763]

Yeah, I thought the "In Memoriam" parts took up a HUGE chunk of the runtime. I was also disappointed the Rock and Metal categories weren't shown. Again. I had to find out Metallica won for "72 Seasons" from their Instagram page, and only the bass player showed up to accept the award.

[@MelMelodyWerner]

Metallica walking away with that award is a huge win for 46 year old dudes who don't listen to any metal but decades old thrash, and Loudwire. no one else. kinda glad that metal is just basically all underground now. brings more attention to bands and genres many wouldn't've given a chance before because you kinda _have_ to search for things more. anyhoo, Exulansis had the real metal AOTY by far.

[@emmyrose233]

I'm sorry 72 Seasons was SO fucking boring. Metal and metalcore had some killer releases last year, just not any mainstream ones

[@Ms666slayer]

@@MelMelodyWerner Yeah 72 seasons was a mediocre album and even from all of the nominees i don't believe anyone deserved it, the bestalbum was the Spiribox album which is good but not the best, but Spiritbox was the "we want to nominee someone that is not mainstream but is super popular in the community and obvously isn't going to win", this year in metal was stacked, like the new Moonlight Sorcery, Cattle Decap,, Hellriper, Enslaved, DHG, Burning Witches and a ton more made really good albums tahtw ere better than the nominees.

[@LostCommenter7]

Starting to think the Grammy's, wrongfully, hate Lana. She's released to albums that even her biggest critics loved and they are still paying her dust.

[@nickparton5663]

She's dull

[@xrrgr]

one of the committee members recently legit said he will never take her seriously after her SNL performance… from over 12 years ago.

[@findfefito]

they do, one voter said they have a bias against her because back in 2011 she went viral with a horrible live singing performance of video games at snl. the grammys rarely give awards to people who have a bad live singing tendence

[@joshmathis1973]

Grammys suck, but Im sorry, SOS Is such a fucking BLAND album. It's not really coherent at all and just feels like she lazily slapped together a bunch of unreleased singles on her hard drive and called it an album. Like that album definitely paid for the horrendous amount of plastic surgery she got.

[@starryeyes999]

​@@nickparton5663 if lanas dull they taylor is the musical equivalent of watching paint dry

[@cr8593]

Y’all derided Jay-Z using Beyoncé as an example regarding inconsistencies in voting but failed to acknowledge he had a point when Taylor Swift won album of the year. It’s been 25 years since a Black woman won this award but there have been many instances where the least critically praised album won the award. I know critics don’t vote on these awards … but maybe they should. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@faeriegraver]

I was a bit deflated that they didn't pick up on this. It's clear as day to me. It kind of felt like they were running out of time and/or energy towards the end, as they didn't go into who they'd been hoping would win, who they had predicted would win, or anything involving the other nominees besides Lana, and that was only due to her getting a shout out and brought up on stage? I was hoping they'd go into it more. But then earlier on they both said they really liked Midnights. I paused the video when they were talking about Jay-Z's speech, to explain it to my partner, and I ended it by saying it was notable that after the speech the album of the year award went to Swift over SZA. I really wanted SZA to win. But it was especially disappointing to see her lose to Swift. I would have thought Taylor's campaign for her awards would probably make a big deal out of her tour, the tour movie, and all her other achievements over the actual album. I've seen a sizeable number of Taylor Swift fans online who were saying, before the show, that they felt that Midnights didn't deserve AOTY, with a lot of them saying that they thought SZA, or Lana should win. I know that the Grammy's has been a joke for a long time. The way they work doesn't make sense. It still bothers me. The fact it's been 25 years is totally wild. The fact Beyoncé has never won AOTY is wild. Especially considering with Renaissance, she had a critically acclaimed, extremely popular album, with a huge tour, and tour movie? But she didn't win AOTY. Taylor's tour wasn't even centred around Midnights. When Noah's speech about the number of women who'd been nominated was being discussed, Todd even brought up the fact that the Grammy's has issues with racism.

[@maxillebastille9079]

Then why do you care? If the award is racist why care who they give it to?

[@Phoenix-616]

⁠@@maxillebastille9079entitlement basically

[@mrexecutive]

@@maxillebastille9079Stop acting dense.

[@homaisen1585]

Can’t people just stop over praising sos? The Record, GUTS and There’s a Tunnel are way more deserving than SOS. No offense, SOS has great singles but as an album, it really lacks unity and is unbearably too lengthy.

[@jessica23claire]

Literally I just want ONE DAY WITHOUT HEARING ABOUT TAYLOR SWIFT IT IS ALL I ASK FOR WORLD

[@judithk1719]

she’s releasing 2 albums this year and still on tour and she’ll be all over the Super Bowl sunday

[@yessica4932]

cool thanks judith@@judithk1719

[@imnevergonnaloveagain]

As they said, don't engage in any news about Taylor Swift, and the internet/social media will take the hint and NOT tell a news about her to YOU.

[@scottbuck1572]

@@imnevergonnaloveagain As someone with no interest in pop stardom outside of the music, this is just a blatant lie. Yeah I could avoid all Taylor content, but at this point that would mean not reading any news, not going on any social media, and not interacting with like 65% of the human population. Like I literally can't avoid everything thats being produced around her and I'm actively trying to

[@imnevergonnaloveagain]

@@scottbuck1572 Me who didn't even heard about her until last year💀💀💀 Yes, I heard about her during You Belong With Me and Love Story, but I didn't actively listened, then, next time I heard about her was We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together and I Knew You Were Trouble. After that was Blank Space, Shake It Off and Style. But after that, I didn't even hear about Look What You Made Me Do. What did I do? "Oh, it's Taylor Swift" and focused on my personal life instead of just surfing the internet that undoubtedly has news about her. My actual feed last year ago was just gaming like FNAF, or AA. Or new about accidents and disasters in my country. Or issues about the politics and inflation. No Taylor Swift. So I'm sorry that the internet shoves down news about her to you, you deserve better

[@EricDMMiller]

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. She's popular because she's popular. That's all anyone cares about.

[@IjeomaThePlantMama]

As soon as I commented that 54 mins it starts over, the new version is uploaded. I feel powerful, muah ha ha ha!!! But I'm sad all the previous comments are gone now 😢

[@matthewgatthew7984]

if ocean blvd couldn’t get lana a grammy, literally nothing else she makes is going to. that album is untoppable in terms of critical appeal while staying within her style. she is gonna wind up one of those artists that the biggest institutions only give credit for their insane level of influence once they’re dead, and that’s pretty unfortunate. half the nominees are her kids basically, taylor included

[@TheHappeeSinnick]

I just don’t see her putting out anything better. I could be wrong but the album is THAT good. If they can’t see it now then I doubt they ever will.

[@lilithmather]

I'm just annoyed that she pretends to be surprised when she wins all the time

[@jeremiahfink9709]

You would be annoyed if she acted like she was expecting it every time too, she cant ever win with you

[@mweeming]

​@@jeremiahfink9709and how do you know that

[@lilithmather]

@@jeremiahfink9709 Not necessarily, I just don't find her reaction very genuine. My mixed feelings about her probably affect my judgment of her reaction, but there are very valid things to criticize and dislike her for. And please don't take this comment as saying she doesn't deserve the award, I think she's very talented. I am more on the side of fatigue of her than straight up hating her 🤷‍♀

[@abigailchiesa1337]

She did the same thing with her post about being the most-streamed artist on Spotify, something like “um wow ok this is so unreal???” as if she’s not fully aware of how big she is. The fake surprise isn’t nearly as endearing as she seems to think it is

[@jamesshen3759]

The AOTY is surely surprising it was a tight competition

[@emdiar6588]

Joni Mitchell is a goddess of the highest order. I expected an exhibition of her genius and that's what we got.

[@efficiencygaming3494]

Taylor Swift wins awards for simply existing. She's like a walking trophy. I guess good for her, but if I was another pop star, I'd probably be feeling rather resentful of her... [Reposted from previous video which has now been taken down]

[@culwin]

Maybe those other pop stars should be better

[@kendallmonge649]

@@culwin Most of them were WAY better than she was this year, and they still lost, so...

[@felicityb93]

@@culwin Imagine saying artists like SZA and Janelle Monae (who are two of the most creative women in music right now) need to Get Good^TM in relationship to Taylor "I Still Write Music Like I'm A Teenager Even Though I'm In My 30's" Swift. And, I hate to quantify myself here (because my opinion should be able to stand whether or not I hold these positions in fandom), this is coming from someone who is neutral on SZA (like said, the woman is creative as hell, she's just not for me) and who would describe themselves as a casual fan of Taylor Swift. I *liked* Midnights (sans Karma, because I don't like being pandered to). She was cute. But let's forreal, y'all.

[@romirosta1917]

@@kendallmonge649 ⁠ 1. Commercially success (physical sales, digital sales, streams, radio, tour, etc.): Midnights>SOS and other nominees 2. Critically acclaim on Metacritic: GUTS(91)>SOS (90)>Midnights(85)>other nominees (Midnights has more reviews on Metacritic than other nominees) 3. Cultural+Global impact: Midnights>SOS+other nominees 4. Breaking Records: Midnights>SOS+other nominees 5. Longevity (US+Global Charts): Midnights>SOS+other nominees Overall: Midnights Win 🎉 “a strong AOTY should have a healthy combination of success, cultural impact, and quality. it should be the album that defined music of that year” It’s called cultural+global impact when Midnights still on the Top 10 Global Spotify charts+other platforms (SOS+other niminess can’t relate). Midnights is like an epilogue album to close her 10th eras. She’s getting some lingering feelings off her chest that must have ballooned up having to go back and re-record her previous albums and revisit old memories and old wounds. Anti Hero is the best self-loathing anthem. She nailed it with the introspective and self-critical thinking. Also, Karma is a pop banger, it really showcases the “good karma” is real, the compassion, the integrity, the dedication as human being. P.S. Before this Grammys, Taylor Swift won 3 Grammys Album Of The Year in 3 different genres (country, pop, folk/alternative) in 3 different decades (2000s, 2010s, 2020s) with Fearless, 1989 and Folklore

[@ravenswood118]

@@culwin Why? Taylor isn't better and she still wins. Doesn't seem to have anything to do with your talent or output.

[@Nonesuch03]

Ya know, five years ago when I started watching Todd, I didn't expect the whole Taylor ark to take the "World domination" Turn.

[@wildwesley9328]

You fucking scared me with that little pause after, “it started with Stevie Wonder…” my heart almost stopped cause I thought he died!

[@amandas2639]

Miley's comment about "iconic" was in reference to Mariah, not herself. I thought that was a very cute interaction. Besides that, at least she didn't completely snub the legend next to her like Taylor did with Celine.

[@hilariparsons9937]

They took a picture together immediately after...

[@inmyflopera729]

Grasping at straws for anything negative.

[@starryeyes999]

​@@hilariparsons9937 its called damage control

[@hilariparsons9937]

@@starryeyes999 whatever suits your narrative

[@scottbrayton9484]

10:20 I appreciate the idea that Jazz/Classical grammy voters are just like republicans, not more popular than everyone else but more unified as a voting block.

[@mysteries_117]

Even her fans don't like this album

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

All the Grammys really care about is commercial success. They stopped caring about artistic merit decades ago.

[@KayLoo202]

Did we forget that the Grammys president or whatever once said "women should step up if they want to be nominated"?

[@craisins95]

Phoebe Bridgers sure didn’t forget (and I’m very glad for that).

[@grupochiolecca3564]

WE remember but the dudes with the podcast don't 🙄

[@TheBamaPrinceable]

Women besides Beyoncé and Taylor Swift at least...

[@veddyveddygood]

How the fuck has she won 4 AOTY awards! She's the darling of the grammys commitee along with Beyonce.

[@saquallian61]

Right? She only deserved that maybe 2 of those times given the other nominees? It's started feeling gross to me

[@veddyveddygood]

@@saquallian61And to think legendary artists like Queen, Diana Ross, Beach Boys, Bob Marley, Guns n Roses, Rush to name a few have never won a Grammy is ridiculous.

[@zackzallie8735]

@@saquallian61 Right about then, just give all the Grammys to her for simply existing. It's getting old now.

[@meganperry9949]

Or maybe Midnights is an amazing album and she deserved to win? It was a tough year this year . I would have been happy with Lana, SZA or Taylor winning. But Taylor won, and in my personal opinion I think the album is AOTY quality. But I guess I’m in the minority because all of a sudden everyone is shitting on this highly successful critically and commercially claimed album

[@xrrgr]

@@meganperry9949 more like ur out of the loop. ive seen even swifties shit on the album since it’s release.

[@caesarorzell600]

Lana deserved SOMETHING. Come ON.

[@charlestaylor7117]

Yes. Best pop vocal should have gone to her. Or Kelly Clarkson. I like Taylor Swift but vocals are not what makes her number 1.

[@Jumblebelle]

@@charlestaylor7117the award isn’t about who has the best vocals, it’s to distinguish it from instrumental albums

[@charlestaylor7117]

@@Jumblebelle that makes sense.. but Taylor S winning both AOTY and pop vocal adds credence to what Jay Z says about Beyonce not winning enough; which I don’t agree with. It makes the Grammy’s look more set up, less real.

[@Jumblebelle]

@@charlestaylor7117 the Grammys are a popularity contest. Most of the people making the best music don’t even get nominated

[@hanasouljaboy5949]

no we dont fuck with zionists

[@sadjack9491]

I'm sort of miffed by Taylor treating the grammy's as her own personal promotion stage. Like as was said in the podcast ep, you just don't do that on stage. And at this point it's basically assured Taylor will come out with one of the big awards. At this point we already know how good she is, so let's allow someone else to receive some much needed attention.

[@ikexbankai]

Other artist won more Grammys than Taylor. Bro she only won 2. Which were super deserved

[@sadjack9491]

@@ikexbankai I mean agree to disagree. Winners at these sorts of things are fairly subjective. And my personal opinion is that someone like Lana or SZA should have taken AOTY. And it’s also very much personal preference of thinking yes this person deserved it or no this person didn’t.

[@TylerFederico]

They made the entire fucking Super Bowl and NFL season revolve around her too.

[@brobzoid]

never watch these shows, don't even know who was nominated or won, but love to hear you gripe about it!

[@ThaGreatPooPooMan]

Every award show for over a decade now has just been them pointing the camera at Taylor Swift every chance they get.

[@shoxy-the-pinecone6113]

i dont think ive ever made an accurate prediction in my whole life but im just saying, i can absolutely imagine years from now, Todd putting out a video named "Trainwreckords 'The Tortured Poets Department' by Taylor Swift"

[@emmaarmo379]

The album may be good, but that name is undeniably terrible

[@louisduarte8763]

Sounds like a working title for "Dead Poets Society".

[@thatjillgirl]

Nah. Even if it was absolutely terrible, it wouldn't destroy her career. She'd need two terrible albums in a row to do that. She's too big to fail at the moment.

[@eclipsewaves]

Back in the late 2010's people are calling reputation and Lover career-ending albums, yet she survived the backlashes that are mostly due to bad single choices (LWYMMD, ME!). Her career will absolutely survive even if TTPD was a terrible album record because she's an absolute powerhouse and an unstoppable force in the music industry at this point.

[@shoxy-the-pinecone6113]

@@eclipsewaves nobody is unstoppable forever

[@IanFerguson]

I remember this like it was yesterday

[@ktownshutdown21]

I rhink everyone just accepted the fact that Taylor Swift was going to resume her reign of terror and steamroll everyone, so that's why there wasn't really too much talk going into this show.

[@tylerhackner9731]

I swear Taylor dominates so much, even the other pop stars are like (or at least thinking in their minds) “can you just let us have a win? Can you not be on top forever?”

[@RyanStorey1231]

When Taylor announced her new album, Miley looked so annoyed. Her face was like: "Oh, we're doing this now?"

[@LoneWulf278]

lol, right. I love Miley. 😂

[@gut853]

Miley’s face took me out😂😂😂

[@KitKatLMFAO]

get over it

[@ikexbankai]

Taylor only won 2 awards. SZA won 3 and other won more than Taylor

[@perfectblue7314]

Taylor Swift didn't win ALOTY because her album was the best, the award was given to her out of pure convenience

[@paigest77]

I couldn't disagree more, Miley Cyrus had a really interesting, talented, and dynamic performance. She's always been that energetic, that's her personality. She looked and sounded great!

[@GUNUFofficial]

like yeah, she's a good songwriter, but she doesnt deserve grammies every year when people like... idk i don't keep up with modern music... exist.

[@trxced]

can confirm i'm one of the young people who discovered tracy chapman from luke comb's cover

[@TheBroncosguy]

"... and I was mad about them being U2." That got a good laugh out of me.

[@o0SKRen0o]

I'll say it again, I personally feel the only reason "Flowers" is as strong as it is, is because of its juxtaposition to "When I Was Your Man" by Bruno Mars because its basically a diss track/response against the songwriter (her ex) which to me feels like a rare novelty. I felt WIWYM was equally overplayed and mid, but now its achieved some sort of decade wide resonance with Flowers.

[@heromjh]

ah I just always disagree with Linas takes sadly. Annie Lennox was one of the most powerful moving performances I've seen at the Grammys felt so real

[@maxresdefault_]

Original video went down halfway through me listening to it, so can't wait to finish this lol

[@ty_teynium]

That Tracy Chapman and Luke Conbs performance has to be the best part of it. Perhaps that should'vebren saved for last because everyone was feeling it. I missed the Tina Turner tribute unfortunately.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Thanks for the reupload

[@shadowfreddy0]

I'm glad you guys do this every year, cause it means I don't have to watch the Grammys. 'preciate it, boys. I'll be back for the next one.

[@moonlily1]

Taylor Swift makes extremely average pop music that doesn't stand out from others in the genre in any way. Her popularity is 90% branding and her music is just the carrier for her celebrity, the ritz cracker you put the cheese and cold cuts on. The songs are just cute little ditties, they don't matter. Her real job is being super famous, not making music. And Grammys are just a popularity contest, not a measure of musical brilliance.

[@user-fx3zq8ui2x]

I agree that a lot of her pop music is average, but I’d say a lot of her other music isn’t as cookie cutter. I’m more of a casual Taylor enjoyer and I get her music not being people’s taste, but a lot of her songs lean more into singer/songwriter territory and I think her writing style resonates with a lot of people for a reason. Like, you know a Taylor verse when you hear it yknow? I get being exhausted by her overexposure and the Grammys favoring her over people like Olivia and Lana who absolutely deserved to walk away with something, but in my mind it isn’t surprising that she’s ascended to the level that she has.

[@moonlily1]

@@user-fx3zq8ui2x Not really. When I hear a Taylor Swift song (against my will in stores and such) I don't automatically go, oh, this is a Taylor Swift song, can't possibly mistake it for anyone else because it's so distinct. It's not distinct. Because all these pop artists today are working with the same writers and producers churning out instantly familiar music. I only know a Taylor Swift song as hers because she will sing the title of the song at some point, probably the chorus, and I hear mention of Taylor Swift song titles, also against my will. Neither her voice or her style are distinctive in my opinion. It could be anyone as far as I'm concerned. However, even if I had neutral to mildly positive opinions about her work, I'd start hating her just a little bit anyway because she's always in my fucking face, against my will. Which is not her fault.

[@user-fx3zq8ui2x]

@@moonlily1I feel like it’s a stretch to say that all pop artists sound the same or similar. Maybe it’s just because pop is one of the genres I listen to the most, but I can pretty easily pick out who’s who, even people like Tate McRae who isn’t very interesting. But on top of that a lot of artists around Taylor’s level of fame do make distinct music but you wouldn’t know it if you don’t seek them out because the record labels always push the most agreeable sounding songs to the masses. If you’re listening to the radio or going to Target or whatever, everything kinda blends together in a really boring way, so if that’s your primary exposure I can understand why you’d feel this way. Also hate is a strong word but I understand being tired of her being so overexposed. I wouldn’t mind a break from her and I don’t even dislike her.

[@moonlily1]

@@user-fx3zq8ui2x No, it's not. The vast majority of music is being made by a handful of popular song writers and producers. There's a sort of univerals bass line that's frequently utilized with slight variants. Pop music is intentionally made to sound the same because the human brain favors familiarity. A Spanish study has found that there has been a significant reduction in musical complexity since it peaked in 1966 with significantly fewer instruments used on an average track and a much smaller lyrical vocabulary. There's a video about it.

[@moonlily1]

@@user-fx3zq8ui2x Oh, and additionally, two thirds of all music comes from just 3 companies.

[@Ryan07_20]

SOS snubbed for AOTY

[@kendallmonge649]

Would've been stoked if SZA or Boygenius won it. Heck, I would've even been OK-ish if Lana won it. Legit a brutal 3-way snub.

[@idunnowhattonamemyself-vr4qv]

Or Ocean Blvd

[@Ryan07_20]

@@idunnowhattonamemyself-vr4qv I always thought that album was alright. If Lana won her first few Grammys for it, it would just be a makeup for NFR or Born to Die

[@anonymouscoward9917]

I've been waiting for this particular podcast episode since I half watched the Grammys on Sunday... It was certainly something

[@ravenswood118]

Podcast name: "The Grammys can't stop awarding Taylor Swift... make it stop" Actual podcast content: "The Grammys awarded an appropriate number of awards to Taylor"

[@JebusMatoi]

Actual podcast title: "Please stop giving Taylor AOTY just cause she's Taylor"

[@nicholasskakal9128]

contrary to popular belief 2023 is the first year they have held the Grammys

[@t.c.bramblett617]

We are in for many decades of Tay I think really it would be nice if there was some breathing space for other artists to get the big award but it is what it is

[@johngleason1776]

This is the most I've cared about the Grammys in a while. I didnt watch it, but my social media algorithms havent stopped hitting me with content from it in the last few days. In a bad year all people woukd be talking about is Midnights beating SOS. I've seen more people talking about Miley and Tracey Chapman

[@Gingerm0nster]

As a “Taylor stan” (as Todd put it lol) I agree that 2 awards *felt right* but I am very surprised Midnights won AOTY over “Did You Know There’s A Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd?”. I think even Taylor Swift was surprised by that one.

[@sundalius]

That’s why she did her announcement at Best Pop, she didn’t think she was getting AOTY either imo

[@annaphallactic]

Yeah, it was obvious that her surprise was genuine and that's why she dragged Lana onstage with her.

[@IjeomaThePlantMama]

@@annaphallactic just full body cringe at that moment, right along with her snatching the award from THEE Celine Dion 🤣

[@arubinojr5670]

Is that tunnel the Place Off Ocean Avenue that I used to hear so much about? Wonder whatever happened to it...

[@hanasouljaboy5949]

@@IjeomaThePlantMama her and celine took a pic backstage right after im pretty sure it wasnt out of hostility, it was out of shock

[@bananaempijama]

When i read some people saying Taylor swift is bigger than the Beatles....like, wtf are you talking about?! 😂

[@louisep8984]

Im from 98, I had never heard fast car before and I was happy to discover it and seeing them singing it together

[@Vicerion17]

Whelp since you re-uploaded the previous video I guess I'll re-upload my previous comment to help boost engagement! Now two days later and it's come out Killer Mike was arrested and charged with battery.(insert witty joke about having to charge his batteries here) Apparently he and his team went through the wrong door to get backstage and ended up getting into it with a security guard causing the police to be called. If it really went down as he said it did I don't see this going anywhere, unless the other party wants to be petty about it or the facts are a bit different than previously stated, which I mean either or both could be true, this'll just turn into a funny story people only remember when it's Grammy time.

[@dmidkif]

Says the guy who gave Taylor Swift “Song of the Year” in two years previous.

[@danielpatternson6149]

I know right? This is the same guy who says Chainsmoker's Closer was the best song of 2016.

[@jon.callaghan4165]

As happy as I am that Miley Cyrus is finally getting good recognition for her music, SZA should not have lost album of the year for the best album this decade to an aggressively average Taylor Swift album. Also as an Irishman, I'll take Annie Lennox's tribute to Sinéad O'Connor (icon) over U2 (flops) any day.

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

lol Lennox and Sinead are nothing compared to U2.

[@jon.callaghan4165]

@@AbbeyRoadkill1 exactly, they are nowhere near as hated as U2

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

@@jon.callaghan4165 No one can be bothered to hate a nobody like Sinead. That one hit wonder (and Sinead didn't even *write* her one hit, lol) won't be remembered long term, the way U2 will. FACT. Cry harder. Here's your copium. 💊

[@maxsmart9116]

​@@AbbeyRoadkill1LOL You're the one swallowing copium going to battle over U2 😂😂😂😂

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

@@maxsmart9116 I love how you have no actual argument. You are brain dead.

[@summerchild_]

Lana deserved that Grammy

[@ackee39]

26:54 This might be a hot take but I really appreciated that there were no harmonies. The song is about loneliness and isolation and, this might just be me but it would be so counterproductive to have them do cute harmonies.

[@Ryan07_20]

Reupload?

[@connortkach3863]

Also, Flowers rips off Ace of Base's Beautiful Life, and I'm surprised at how few people are mentioning that. (different key, but the "I can love me better part" is essentially the hook to Beautiful Life)

[@elitettelbach4247]

This was nice to listen to instead of actually watching the Grammys

[@charlestaylor7117]

Taylor Swift should NOT have won best pop vocal album. That should have gone to Lana or Kelly or someone whose main thing is “vocals.” Taylor is a good pick for album of the year.. but best pop vocal? kinda sus.

[@jadeblackwell6227]

Billie’s performance was too breathy for me. It is very distracting when a singer takes a big gasp of air before every line.

[@ponygon777]

You know the Grammys aren't a showcase for hot, new artists anymore when 80 year old Joni Mitchell and 74 year old Billy Joel were the best performances of the night. (Billie Ellish was a major exception) Miley Cyrus winning a Grammy was a major low point and her performance was even worse. Taylor Swift winning Album of the Year for that bland, overproduced pile of nothing was also an embarrassment and the fact that she announced a new record means she will sweep next year's ceremony SZA and Boygenius were robbed.

[@CrunchyFrog47]

Dang the re-upload eraced my previous comment. But I'll say it again. I 💯 expected Taylor to get AOTY for no other reason than as a reward for all the money and exposure she generated for the music business as a whole. What she was able to accomplish in physical album sales and concert sales is no small feat and Mind boggling and respectable. And I say this as a non-Swifty and at times anti-Swift. I don't like her music. But one thing you can't argue with us success and that she accomplished in spades. I know we want it to be about what the music is on thd album, but don't think for one minute this was about the music. It was about what she was about what her machine means to the music business as a whole.

[@taytay6781]

Exactly. And grammy aoty has historically always been based on critical acclaim plus the commercial and cultural appeal an album holds. And no album or era had the world on chokehold like midnight did. It was everywhere.

[@sousleciel2416]

I swear I saw so many Swifties almost apologizing to each other for not liking Midnights. I think there were a lot of them who blamed Jack Antonoff's production as their reason as to why they think the album was bad too. I don't pay much attention to the Grammys ever so that's why I was so surprised that she won.

[@kendallmonge649]

Not sure about that. The Grammy Award for Album of the Year specifically says that the award is, direct quote: "to honor artistic achievement, technical proficiency, and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales, chart position, or critical reception." I'm not really understanding where, given that criteria, 'Midnights' outdid Boygenius's 'The Record', SZA's 'SOS', or Lana del Ray's 'DYKTTATUOB'. And if you want to go there - that they reward people for success, money/exposure generated for the music business, and a year of domination and massive accomplishments - then it begs the question of why The Weeknd was nominated for absolutely nothing when 'After Hours' dominated the world, he had the honor of performing at the Super Bowl, and no one could get away from "Blinding Lights," which is THE most successful song IN AMERICAN HISTORY. #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 All-Time chart. (I mean, I think we all know why he wasn't nominated lol.) The point is that the Grammys are inconsistent and subjective. It's not about the music on the album; it's not about the artist's success that year, either. It isn't about anything consistent. I'm honestly beyond the point of taking them seriously anymore.

[@CrunchyFrog47]

@@kendallmonge649 I don't care what they say in their guidelines... The voting process is very political inside the industry. That being said I agree that After Hours and "Blinding Lights" should have been nominated. Not sure he would have won AOTY because Taylor's "Folklore" would have probably won it the first place (especially because it was billed as her "daring" indie album, though it's I'm less critical about that album than most of her others, I didn't find it daring at all) I personally wanted Black Pumas to win because that is a hands down killer album, but I knew that was a long shot. But l I even thought Dua Lipa's Future Nostalgia was more deserving that Folklore... But back to the Weeknd the Grammys did him wrong because not only was that an groundbreaking but massively popular.

[@kendallmonge649]

@@CrunchyFrog47 I get that. Like you, I would have preferred if Future Nostalgia won that year, but I wasn't particularly bothered by Taylor's victory with Folklore because unlike Midnights, I thought it was a legitimately good album (even if I didn't think it was the best of the nominees). I'm not a Swiftie, but I gotta give credit where it's due; I didn't find it daring at all, either, but I did think it was among her highest-quality and most consistent work. But it's just laughable that The Weeknd wasn't nominated that year, even if he likely wouldn't have won. Their neglect to nominate him for A SINGLE AWARD that year completely dashes any chance they have of pretending that it's about an artist's success, critical reception, or domination. But my point was exactly that: that the Grammys ARE highly political and insider-driven/industry-driven, and susceptible to weird biases and preconceived notions about certain genres and styles of music and performance (which is, I think, a big reason why rap albums hardly win AOTY). Grammy winners are not decided by quality, sales, or anything consistent and remotely possible to trace. Given that, I don't understand why so many people use Grammy awards as a metric of the "best" or most meritorious music in any given year. Or ever. It never has been, and at this point, I don't even think they're pretending anymore.

[@surrealkit4843]

My mom was watching for Joanie. So Dua Lipa’s performance was my parents asking me to explain who Dua Lipa is. I didn’t have a ton to say.

[@hilliard665]

Who would have thought the literal popularity contest would just give awards to popular people.

[@kendallmonge649]

@booperdooper2631 The Weeknd wasn't nominated because he criticized the Grammys. (He was right, by the way. And they were petty to not recognize the greatness of "Blinding Lights" or After Hours that year.) The Grammys are bizarrely subjective and inconsistent, so at this point, I legitimately don't understand why any reasonable people would take their judgment seriously. And if anyone still does, then I'd like them to educate me as to why 1989 won AOTY over To Pimp a Butterfly, 25 won AOTY over Lemonade, and The Heist (by Macklemore) won Best Rap Album over Good Kid MAAD City. All I'm saying is that several genre-defining, era-defining albums, all of which are considered scholarly works and some of the greatest albums ever made, were shafted... and albums that a lot of people have comparatively forgotten about, won.

[@dustypirate28]

It’s not though. It’s an award ceremony for a trade industry, determined by a group of members from within said trade, which has notably snubbed the most popular choices in past years.

[@via45]

Your base level knowledge is showing

[@hilliard665]

@@dustypirate28 with wholly objective categories such as "best new artist" Best at fucking what?? Making art? Art is wholly subjective to say anyone is better then anyone is to diminish their expression, which is what art is meant to be about.

[@somehistorynerd]

As a Puerto Rican, I can't see your video? Where might I find it?

[@user-er5mg6zj4v]

most streaming platforms have the song vs song podcast, listen there

[@heymistercarter.]

I saw a video recently that said Taylor Swift is practically on the same level of fame now that Oprah was in the ‘90’s. And from what I’m seeing… I can see it. They talked about how Oprah launched many an author’s careers with her Book Club and people like Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil when they appeared on her show. And with Taylor, many said she saved movie theatre chains last year with her Eras tour documentary (since barely anything else was playing due to the strikes), she helped launch the careers of many musicians who opened for and are friends with her (acts like HAIM, Sabrina Carpenter, BeaBaDooBee, and Gracie Abrams are examples of that), and she’s upped sales of jerseys for that football player she’s seeing now. So who knows.

[@YossiR]

I'll admit that I'm too old to know who most of these people are, I bassically tuned in to hear your take on Joni's performances and you sure did not disappoint. It seems like she's finally receiving the respect she deserves, even though it's late in the game it's still moving to see.

[@terminallumbago6465]

Especially with everything she’s gone through in recent years. She had a brain aneurysm years ago and almost died, and couldn’t walk for several years let alone perform. I wonder if that health scare has caused her to reevaluate her own thoughts on her legacy, and lean into her place in history.

[@futuremovieactor]

Did you edit the prior version? Why did it go Private?

[@MrBGS101]

Re-upload?

[@gut853]

The only person who deserved aoty was lana and im tired of pretending otherwise.

[@brickcitybrownchick]

What is there not to understand about how people felt about a white, straight, male country singer remaking a classic song by a black, lesbian woman? Yes, Fast Car did get praised back in the day, but you very well know there was no such thing as the internet or social media back then. I don't have a problem with his remake, especially since he has credited her every step of the way, but I do understand why people took issue with it. Americans like to act like things don't matter and didn't matter unless they were done by white, straight men. It took him remaking the song for HER to get recognized as the songwriter by the CMAs!!! If he had been a pop singer, the backlash might not have been as overt, but the fact that he is a country singer, a genre that likes to pretend that black people don't matter...yeah, I get why people were pissed off.

[@pigeonboy8858]

lina that was one hell of a dr. nick impression

[@cher_melancholy]

Love the episode but the section about JayZ is a little disappointing. It’s bigger than Beyoncé. I feel like you flattened the convo around race and the history of the Grammys.

[@FENUSfenux]

You had the opportunity to call it "the Grammys can't stop won't stop awarding taylor" and refused to take it

[@lucymorrison]

Can't Stop, Won't Stop, Just Give Grammies To Taylor Swift! (for "Metal Harbour") -Sonic Adventure 2 OST

[@megan-mr9vk]

flowers is more for the story around it than the song itself. i can’t stand it, but i think the message behind it really resonated with a lot of people. definitely not worthy of this level of praise though.

[@marknoahsotelo316]

Today Rundgren beat Taylor to the better LP title with his 1982 album “The Ever Popular Tortured Artist Effect”

[@minormynah]

Is this podcast a regular thing? If so where can I find the episodes?

[@jakegibbard]

They’re on Spotify and possibly other podcast apps

[@lucymorrison]

i usually listen to it on Apple Podcasts, they only post a few on KZbin. I don't like the Grammy episodes all that much becauss they're a lot more pessimistic than the regular Song vs Songs

[@Obscure128]

1:00:55 i highly respect Todd’s opinions but hearing him say “Wrecking Ball is just as bad as Flowers” makes me question things

[@diminie_chimket]

Eh, not everyone likes Flowers. I just think the song is really mid, boring AF. But that's just me and my opinion 🤷

[@Obscure128]

@@diminie_chimket that’s the part i agree with tho

[@midasiscariot]

It is. It's a tedious thing to go through.

[@pinkmenace2452]

taylor should have learned from her last run of exposure back in the 1989 era that this can only end in the public turning on her. i’m literally getting déjà vu

[@writerspen010]

Taylor's new album title is apparently a play on the title of a group chat her ex-boyfriend of six years, Joe, is or was a part of 💀

[@dustypirate28]

…so she’s still writing songs on the same topics she’s written about since before she was 18? 🙄

[@JebusMatoi]

@@dustypirate28 Always has been. Is It Over Now is literally about a break up.

[@averyetvspecial1487]

Every Taylor Swift album is about how famous boys expect more than holding hands.

[@lucyw4195]

@@JebusMatoi I mean, like 70% of all pop music is about break ups. If we're comparing Taylor to the other nominees, Miley, Olivia Rodrigo, and even Boygenius' records are all mostly about relationship drama.

[@FromElsewhear]

@@averyetvspecial1487 Except her debut, which is about how regular boys expect more than holding hands.

[@CoasterMagicX2]

Thanks for fixing it

[@mightyfilm]

Back when they had the podcast about Flowers vs Vampire, I swore I never heard of either song. Then I remembered I DID hear Flowers multiple times on the radio, but it just so forgettable I didn't realize it. I've heard the song several times since that and...yeah...I keep forgetting I do.

[@matthewhodgson4447]

Flowers vs Vampire sounds like a spin off of Plants vs Zombies 😅

[@900miko]

I swear I saw this popup previously.

[@unicornpower]

There was an audio glitch in the first version

[@magicwindow6682]

it started from the beginning almost an hour in so I went back just now and they fixed it

[@RyanStorey1231]

As a huge Swiftie, even I'm kind of sick of seeing her everywhere. I really wish she would go away a bit after her tour and give the general public time to miss her. But I'll never say no to a new album, even if I don't like the timing. It does look interesting.

[@jellytwins1018]

I just don't understand how people have such a hard time ignoring her if they don't wanna see her.

[@miko-ee]

​​@@jellytwins1018 Because she's everywhere... I did my best, weridly bump into her.

[@IjeomaThePlantMama]

​@@jellytwins1018 True, but you can't deny that she is inadvertently being inserted into every aspect of culture right now; music media, sports media, and now even politics (none of which is really her fault) She's kinda inescapable right now.

[@felicityb93]

​@@jellytwins1018 Because we don't have as much control over the content we're exposed to on social media as we like to think. Blocking and muting people, as well as hitting "I'm not interested" on stuff we don't want to see only goes so far. At some point, people and topics become so overexposed, you cannot avoid them.

[@MelMelodyWerner]

​@@jellytwins1018 it's only easy to miss her if you stick to the kinds of communities that don't talk about her. (e.g. I am into extreme metal and she comes up mayyyybe once every other week in conversation around the Discords and comment sections I dwell within. shocker, I know: Taylor Swift is not a big deal with fans of Opeth, Madder Mortem, Celtic Frost, Autopsy, etc., lmao.) but you go anywhere else and she's so popular with something for everyone that she is gonna come up a fuck ton.

[@zojirushi1]

When does he talk about Taylor’s new album? Time stamp?

[@JoyEmpress]

42:28

[@gagadreams]

Lana Del Rey and Spiritbox deserved awards, the Grammy's have lost all legitimacy in my eyes!✌️

[@MelMelodyWerner]

Spiritbox is ABSOLUTELY more interesting than fucking Mehtallica. not really my bag for metal (which is what I overwhelmingly listen to), but Courtney has an AMAZING voice and they have loads of potential if they can write more interesting riffs that aren't so chuggy.

[@gagadreams]

@MelMelodyWerner yeah, I actually really enjoy their slower songs, the new EP really shows off their range, how they mix metal and pop is insane and as you could probably tell by my name I like pop too (some of it, most is cringe but there's good stuff too) and Lana.. I love super heavy music but it needs to be in moderation because I like variety and SB does it all, i agree about the chugging, some of it sounds too nu metalish but they change it up enough to where it's not so annoying! Like I said, that new EP is 🔥 and supposedly they're working on a full length album so looking forward to that!

[@gut853]

You’re probably gonna watch them again next year though, let’s be honest…

[@gagadreams]

@@gut853 I didn't even watch this year! 😅

[@emmyrose233]

I would take Spiritbox over Metallica any day, especially over 72 Seasons. GOD that album was a slog to get through

[@katiemccollum]

the swifties are working overtime in these comments defending someone who couldn’t care less about them

[@sam_sa09]

I’m defending the artist who gave me music that I grew up with and still resonates with my life.

[@melodyrichardson5051]

@@sam_sa09Time to grow up and discover real music.

[@VicenteTorresAliasVits]

Most of the winners were alright. Karol G and SZA's speeches were my favorites. Jay-Z's speech started as something cringey yet cute, but it got worse and worse. The In Memoriam segment was a mess! I understand the need to dedicate more time to the dead people that left a bigger impact, but there must be a structure. The start-stop-start again flow with different presenters and performers... I was constantly thinking "I guess it's over--Oh, never mind" (especially when Jon Batiste finished his song by yelling at the audience how good it is to be alive, which felt like the right moment to end). And I'm not supposed to roll my eyes and wish for it to be over. I'm supposed to feel emotional.

[@allyowl]

I didnt watch the show but it sounds like everyone and their Mom performed and like 5 awards were given out 😂

[@kimjellen4508]

Great point about something being subtly off with MC ... glad u articulated that. Exactly.