First Looks at the 2022 Elite EnVision with MFJJ!!!

[@tylercarder581]

Best bow released this year in my opinion. Love the channel. 👍

[@MrMattiezaya2]

i absolutely agree with you! I've shot almost all the 2022 bows and none of them can compare to the Envision!

[@mikeguy9668]

Mfjj won't say that though lol. It's not a mathews or hoyt

[@loserjw91]

It seems Bowtech and Mathews get speed checked at various let off settings but no others. Why is that? Bow sounds quiet. Keep the reviews coming. Thanks.

[@cormacvandermeulen7156]

Yeah I detect a definite bias towards Mathews and Bowtech on this channel..

[@Firebutton]

Especially considering how easy it is to adjust the let off on AND draw length on the new Elites.

[@milkrvr4088]

@@cormacvandermeulen7156 this whole channel is a Mathews advertisement 😂

[@micahdunleavy9227]

@@cormacvandermeulen7156 There are a lot of Mathew’s guys on social media, they do a great job paying off influencers.. I mean I think they are great bows but certainly creating a lot of biased Chanel’s.

[@stefangabor8549]

G'day, are you likely to review the Elite Remedy?

[@5jjt]

Thanks for the review. BTW, have you ever tried backing up from the chrono in case the arrow is still accelerating? Meaning the tip of the arrow has entered into the chrono, yet hasn't left the string yet?

[@burksoutdoors8391]

How is the back wall squishy? Surely the limbs tops are being used or you would have mentioned they were supplied but not installed?? Elite has always been know for the rock solid back wall. Surely MFJJ knows this? but chose to not mention the limb stops?? I have been trusting his reviews until now.

[@joshjones6862]

I always test the bows the way they are sent to me. Unmodified from stock

[@burksoutdoors8391]

@@joshjones6862 I appreciate your response.

[@dougkiefer7073]

Just thinking your chronograph may need calibrated because out of all the other Envision reviews & my local shop was showing speeds of 325-334 at ibo specs 🤷‍♂️

[@Deer3083]

I dont believe that at all. I SHIT AN envision through 2 different chronos . It's a slow turd. Elite bows get more and more generic thanks to TOG.

[@rdude1184]

Chronographs are all over the place with velocities. You can make them give you "feel good" numbers or just be wrong with just the ambient lighting placement in a room. Lab Radar would be a big step up.

[@c7u3676]

Those chronograph require more light. I've noticed with mine it reads lower in low lighting.

[@Jeff-jj5tf]

With a lot of your reviews you talk about how to minimize the felt vibration after all the new launches are done could you show us how you would fix that as if was a bow you where gonna shoot for people that want to buy those bows just thinking out loud here love your videos keep them coming

[@Nick-we6rd]

Wondering if you time the bows you test and measure the draw length and draw weight on a draw board and scale. Would be good to have that confirmation to know if the speeds and feel of the bow are accurate to a tuned bow.

[@metro9636]

Seems slow compared to other reviewers. Im thinking maybe its a 60# bow.

[@BeardedSportsman]

@@metro9636 4:13 he tells you what the specs are for the test. The only thing I could think is it might be set to 90% let off as opposed to 80% (the speed spec is tested at 80%) but I doubt that it would speed it up THAT much

[@metro9636]

@@BeardedSportsman he said it was #70 but it couldve been #60 limbs mistakenly installed by the factory. Another review said it shot 330 at 72# 30 DL 350 grain arrow. If u watch Podiums review of the Terrain..that bow shot 320. Are we to believe a cheaper mid priced 7 inch BH Elite is faster than their flagship? The speed is in line for a 60# limb.

[@fishingolf]

@@BeardedSportsman I agree with @Scott Yang 4:13 in that he should've confirmed the DL and draw weight. He already checked the ATA and Brace which I thought wasnt value added unless he was going to tune the bow. He had the actual scale in hand to measure the physical weight of the bow which was also non -value added. You mentioned that "he tells you what the specs are for the test"..and yet he verified the physical weight of the bow.. This review was very "lacking" in my opinion. I am not an Elite fan but still think their new flagship bow deserves a better review.

[@theBCEplorer]

I've noticed that many of the IBO speeds are based off the bow being set at a specific letoff (most commonly 80% from what I've seen)The Enkore came set at 90% from the factory. Just wondering if this may be the reason for the slower speed. Always appreciate the reviews! Thanks!

[@danielgauna274]

Yeah I’m pretty the speed tests he does of the Elite bows are not at 80% let off.

[@timothyfanney7260]

Hilarious opening photo! I’m liking the channel. Learning a lot. Keep up the good work.

[@johnsand8495]

Are you going to review the Athens Vista

[@SHONUFFTHECHEVY]

What released are you using

[@ryanschmidt5000]

Love the complete un-biased info you give with everything you do. Been waiting for this video to drop and this has been at the top of my list for my next purchase. I do have to say it's crazy the speed difference this thing is putting out, one shop is showing almost ibo and one was showing less than yours. I understand there are lots of variables but it's still nuts none the less. Keep it up brother!

[@NS-nt4cw]

Just shot my first buck in archery. Your videos on shooting and release have helped so much. Can’t wait to upgrade my setup. Your channel is awesome, I’ve learned so much from it. Leaning towards a bowtech solution…but need to shoot a few competitors before taking the plunge for next season.

[@garrettrowe7917]

If I have to grip it to feel the vibration I’m not worried about it haha

[@tjk1596]

Enjoy all your reviews and video's. On your bow reviews it would be a big help if you could include some slow let downs and describe how the valley feels. Seem's so many newer bows now are designed with almost zero valleys. You creep 1/16th of an inch and they just want to take off on you. Bow manufacture's trying to get every last FPS for their speed rating. Stopped shooting my Hoyt Carbon Defiant Turbo and switched to a Bowtech Realm X for this reason. Realm X smooth drawing, generous valley, easy let down. Can't wait to see the 2022 BowTech line up.

[@cjr4497]

I know lighting affects chronographs. Have you ever tried taking yours outside on a sunny day and compared the results to indoor lighting?

[@stephenreilly2006]

Will you be reviewing the Athens vista 31?

[@RemedyTalon]

How much do you lose from the whisker biscuit? btw, I installed a Hamskea Trinity on your recommendation

[@mikemellon80]

I enjoy your takes on bows but i have to say, I never notice vibration on bows that i shoot. when you shoot you have a relaxed hand, you never grip it. maybe thats why. but you seem to put a lot of emphasis on this vibration and i dont really know why

[@careyhamil]

Was this shot with the limb stops? Can’t imagine a bow with limbs stops having a spongy back wall.

[@Buran01]

Of course not.

[@gus1881]

These thumbnails are golden

[@jerrymclauchlin6471]

MFJJ. Was disappointed the Elite wasn’t a better bow. I currently shoot a Bowtech Revolt but still love my Elite Energy 35. I’m looking for something similar to the E 35. (Love the back wall) I tried the new Mathew’s V3 31 but do not like the draw just before it breaks over. There is a lot about my Revolt I like but the back wall is a bit mushy! Any suggestions, I appreciate your KZbin Channel.

[@careyhamil]

What was the let off set at?

[@bryanparryhunter]

Does IBO rating also stipulate taht the bow has to have a certain kind of whisker biscuit too? I wonder if they are putting a limb driven rest on. Unless my noob self is unaware of that difference being neglible.

[@frankr608]

Nice looking bow it sounds great less sound is more important in flag ship bows . I love that tuning with our shims seems like the best bow at that price !

[@greekmaster1001]

Hey man do you tune these bows through paper before you do these reviews?

[@jonesboyshunting8673]

Great job man. Thanks for the information I actually went and shot the terrain the other day and the shop owner looked at me like I wear nuts when I did what you do to feel the vibration in it so the owner did it himself haha. Keep up the great work man.

[@xsamitt]

what release are you using. it looks good thanks jj!!

[@michaelyanni4422]

JJ I have a 25 troland and I pull back 50 pounds weight what would be a good solid bowfor me THANKS JJ

[@MrOldarcher]

I'm curious how in compare to USA flagship comes APA Archery grom Canada. Is kinda dope design.

[@Buran01]

So is only 6 fps slower than the V3X 33 but much more adjustable and with more solid back wall (using the limb stops). Ok, nice, but the Remedy of the previous year is still the superior choice, imo.

[@barnypt1]

Awesome review as usual! Hey MFJJ can u do a review on the Athens Vista 31 and/or 33??? By chance ever?? I know the envision gets compared to the Vista a lot and since u guys do some of the best reviews on bows it would be interesting to see you do one on this bow sometime…also was curious if u could ever do any of the Obsession bow line as well?? Thanks a lot keep making them!!

[@anitahickey1040]

Oh god, what I would give to be that bow In the thumbnail..! Just to have mfjj's arms wrapped around me like that would be ah dream...

[@jordangrose698]

Hey I know it been mentioned, and don’t want question your review. Either something is wrong with the Envision you tested or every other review was wrong on speed. Most other have the speed in the 327 to 331 with a whisker biscuit. Also I think the Envision comes with limb stops in the box you can install. Keep up the good reviews

[@toddlymburner5783]

You clearly like the brand but you can’t defend those speeds. He uses the same chronograph for the other bows he reviews and they seem fine! You also don’t know other than 1 or 2 other reviews that “most” are shooting faster lol

[@jordangrose698]

@@toddlymburner5783 Well I definitely am not a fan of any brand over any other. Just mentioning what I have seen from other bow shop reviews. To tell you the truth I don’t care either way. My bow is supper slow and any modern bow will blow mine out of the water

[@JZMartinez]

They know the limb stops are there. They know it's shipped at 90% let-off. They know that IBO is 80%. They know that light affects the chronos. But, hey their shop, their reviews. I am sure what is done to set up the shot is consistent and fair.

[@metro9636]

@@toddlymburner5783 he should know that something was up when the mid priced Terrain is shooting faster than their flagship which has a lower brace height n new cams.

[@justinscott2218]

Every review I watch he comes in Heavy on weight and slow on speed so it matches up pretty evenly to every other bow in its class

[@straightSWIFT]

Love your insight. Hoping to be able to make a trip out to you guys from Canada eventually! For the knowledge you put out you deserve much more than 10k subs. Wish you all the best.

[@stephenreilly2006]

What hand held draw weight scale do you use?

[@JBASH2011]

FWIW- Elite tests their bows at 80%- not that it will make much difference, but might pick up a couple.

[@Favorites2499]

If you are willing to. Would you show how much the difference in speed of a poorly tuned bow to a perfectly tune bow. I Feel like elite or bowtech would be easiest to show this with. Or go through and be like if you are majorly nock high how that affect speeds or tail left or right. I think this would show how often you want to keep an eye on your bows tune.

[@crustymarine86]

Just ordered mine, cant wait to put some arrows down range

[@MrMattiezaya2]

have you recieved yours yet? ordered mine 3 weeks ago they said it would take about 1 week 😕

[@crustymarine86]

@@MrMattiezaya2yeah, i ordered mine from badass outdoor gear. Took about 2 weeks mostly because of the snow storms all over the country delayed shipping

[@MrMattiezaya2]

ok, i ordered mine directly from elite, that explains my hold up... how do you like it so far?

[@crustymarine86]

@@MrMattiezaya2 not as fast as the competitors 2022 models but i love it, ive been a PSE guy until now

[@jamiehadcock9013]

How’s the noise and vibration?

[@martythompson6509]

I know you shoot them how they come. But I'd be interested to see the speed at 80 rather than 90% let off.

[@metro9636]

Other KZbinrs got way faster speeds...330s..can u check the DW n arrow weight on camera.

[@drested1793]

Like the design of this bow. Beefy looking riser, wider limb pockets and limbs. Mathewsesque. I’m sure a longer version of this will show up next year.

[@danielw2650]

Lets go, I was waiting for this one!

[@ritagarner8884]

Don't they come with limb stops and cable stops where you can choice which you shoot bto firm up the backwall and with a 6.75 inch brace height I don't expect the same speed you get out of a 6 inch brace height bow

[@trial153]

Love the no bull shit reviews.

[@austintravis1787]

Please check out some apa archery bows

[@martypopeye8236]

That bow sounded quiet

[@jasonnester9514]

Need some prime up in there man

[@frankr608]

Says on there website 300 grain arrow not 350 grain . At 80 percent letoff . Spec don’t seem important as much as features . I like my Enkore for a first bow , because you don’t know your draw length or let off preference as a new shooter I think the elite system is great for a first bow . No bow press needed so far after a year and a half .

[@jorgedelacruz7468]

U need to do a review on apa black mamba dangerous game

[@clarkansas6590]

Good job

[@StanielP]

Sounds like he just started seeing his first monetization dollars from KZbin coming in. Can’t wait for future videos

[@alandennis5337]

If you ever get the opportunity to get a Labradar chronograph, don't hesitate. They are alot more accurate than Caldwell's or anything else

[@davidgreer9567]

Great review Josh. Which mod is that? I assume the performance one. I'm really interested in the regular mod to see how it easy it lets up. Are you able to sell bows if we call you and buy over the phone

[@brucescott9814]

Sorry MFJJ other reviews are getting 330 Could you please check things again please 👍

[@tonyallen9131]

It probably hasn't got the performance/speed mods in it.

[@timbow50]

It would be interesting if Elite would show their test shop and the bow set up to get 334. 17 fps is a lot of disappointment IMO.

[@bryanparryhunter]

There's an idea. Now I'm wondering why they don't push out their own videos of tests. Or maybe even builds. I guess that's what the content creators are for. Still, it would be interesting to see what the engineers envisioned when they build it.

[@tommywagoner7669]

It would be interesting if reviewers would test with the same setup as the manufacturer.

[@TheEverLovingOutdoors]

I'm so glad a bow company is making a quality bow for men that has a shorter draw length. F Mathews etc .. Some dudes have a complex...

[@mathews2088]

What does MFJJ stand for?

[@metro9636]

MoFo Josh Jones

[@barnypt1]

Wow! I can’t believe Elite inflates their speeds that bad!! I have shot elite for a while and that is the only thing i dont like about them is that they are very slow…

[@colbykinney5633]

I wonder what the MF stands for 🤔

[@HuWhiteNat]

Now offer the identical features with 33” ATA and 7” brace and take my money.

[@doncaruso1949]

What module did your bow have? There is another review we're there bow had the performance module and they were getting 332 to 334 fps. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3WXk2CvZdqlsNE

[@kentchapman8919]

Put it to 80% let off and retest

[@Lucky13Twice]

I'm not sure what poundage you're using but I've shot this bow and checked speeds and YOU are completely off on this bow. In your review it appears you just dont like Elite. Maybe you are just a Mathews fanboy

[@metro9636]

I agree..hes become a Mathews fanboy. He didnt even have the Elkshape guy shoot an Elite when there was a huge Elite banner in the background. He even tested a Prime instead of an Elite!!wtf?

[@jasonbrady7861]

MFJJ shoots a Bowtech. His reviews are pretty straightforward and unbiased in my opinion.

[@223shoota]

Or could it be you are an elite fanboy? Just because someone doesn't love what you do isn't a reason to get offended...... for the record I have an energy 35 and love it.

[@lkoehn9727]

Don't test speed with a whisker biscuit

[@OutdoorShellback]

Not sure where these bow companies are finding their justification for these inflating price tags. Just getting ridiculous.

[@micahdunleavy9227]

you can get this for $899 hardly an insane price tag

[@LetThemGrow]

I think every review you’ve done this year has slow speeds. I’m starting to think your chrono is consistently slow.

[@darksidemachining]

1K

[@frankr608]

Out*

[@showmeboysoutdoors2058]

Seems your reviews are consistently inconsistent. When checking IBO speeds, not just on this bow but any bow be sure to check the let off for the speed test. Every other review the bow is faster that what you're getting and no one talked about buzz in the hand. Over critical to look like you know what you're doing. Seeing it more and more. Hope people don't make decisions based on biased reviews

[@Buran01]

The speeds are good; the only fast bow released this year was the Levitate, and the draw cycle takes a massive hit compared to the Mach 1 if you want that speed.

[@micahdunleavy9227]

They are biased towards Mathew’s.

[@StanielP]

Make the videos 10 minutes if you can

[@charliebelle6693]

Too heavy, no thanks.

[@xarrow81]

Not fast, nothing special and vibrants and hand shock!?? No excuse for a mainline Bow, TRASH!