PoE 2's Economy is COOKED! Here’s how can GGG fix it.

[@jferrin90]

The economy will always suck until crafting is worth engaging with.

[@wowitsfrostygames155]

more specifically omens need to drop much more. blasters currently have more divs than they can even spend because theres no div sink like in poe 1 with meta crafting, and the items they want to buy dont exist because no one can craft them. if omens were like triple the drop rate across the board that would probably alleviate the issue. they are supposed to be the stand in for meta crafting and yet you cant actually use them. so any ACTUAL good item you might want to buy is going to be SUPER expensive, theres no hand me downs or failed crafting attempts on the market either for higher end but more casual players, theres no profit crafters because theres no way to reliable craft anything anyways, and theres no relatively cheap but reliable way to get mid tier gear. im not the best crafter but i can log into poe 1 right now and 3-4 mod all of my stuff relatively easily without selling my kidneys to do it, and thats more than enough to do high end maps and engage with the majority of the content. they need to look at omens cause thats how you fix this im very certain of that.

[@doombybbr]

nah, that solves nothing. The issue is not rare drops, enough rares are dropping for there to be good items to buy/sell. It is item rarity affecting currency/league drops and the fact that most people are sitting with ZERO league passives. These two things separate the people making hundreds of divs an hour from the average player sitting on a single div an hour(if that)

[@JeremyThombs]

I am on the “causal” end of the player base and POE2 is, in it’s current state, VERY casual unfriendly. It is severely time punishing (ascendancies, respawned monsters on death, progress and content lost on death, etc). A casual will play this once, realize they have zero chance at even making a character with all 8 ascendancy points (or try and waste 20 hours) and realize they spent almost all league finding one Citadel, and failing and never being able to find another one. Casuals will obviously never keep up with someone playing 10x as much, but in most POE1 leagues, 10x the play feels like 10x return, in POE2 right now 10x the play feels like 1,000s of times more return. It is extremely catered to someone who has hours and hours a day to play. In Settlers league I was able to level a character to 100, craft all my own gear and defeat all uber bosses, and averaged less than 2 hours a day of game play. There is ZERO chance I would get even close to that in a POE2 league as is. Also, the game performance is BAD on lower end machines. A large portion of people do not have the computer specs to run this remotely close to how GGG envisions it. I get it, they want to make a visually stunning game, but a lot of people can’t run that and would still enjoy the game at a lower quality. They aren’t going to buy a new system just to play this game. GGG really needs to give people the ability to tone the GPU and CPU strain down if they truly want to appeal to as many people as possible.

[@ajanūkodžī]

i just play acts 1-3 with different classes it's a lot of fun and respawning mobs give you xp and items to get stronger but i do agree it's quite punishing for casuals if you want to do maps

[@iansane1928]

Yeah man as a "casual" I'm finding it very discouraging about the ascendancy points. You can barely get 4 points which doesn't do shit for many of the classes. All of my theory crafting prior to the game coming out assumed getting the ascendancy points would be a guarantee.

[@PathofEvening]

Indeed. The campaign works for casual players, no prob. The endgame? Not really, at least not now.

[@mecgames4028]

yeah unistalled the game myself , waste of total time , no fun no anything compered to poe1

[@Adiopowered]

I'm gonna push back on the graphics front. Firstly, it's early access, not full release. Optimization will be happening far into release. People still look at EA as full release and it's a folly. As far as people's machines on the low end. People are going to have to upgrade. That's all there is too it. If you have a system that can't run this well yet a ps5 or Xbox can, that's on the consumer. We can't make all games playable on hardware that is ten years old because some people can't afford it. Over a million people bought the game. 500k were on pc alone daily concurrent most of the day. Today 400k on PC. I know I sound like a dick, but it's just the truth. If you have an old system, either upgrade or buy a console, because poe2 is not even at the upper limits of graphics power right now.

[@noimnotnice]

Expedition crafting: just copy-paste however Rog works in PoE1 into PoE2 for all vendors - there you go, fixed. At the moment, you mostly get bad options. I have seen 'upgrade the tier of a mod' once, after using hundreds of artifacts.

[@linemat7887]

Then Expedition crafting would be the ONLY crafting system in the game. Whicj I'm not againist 1>0, but it'll make expedition pretty much the only worthy mechenic

[@noimnotnice]

@@linemat7887 How do you conclude that? Of course, other mechanics should also change into a more useful state as mentioned in the video.

[@olelarsen1386]

Good summary of the current state of the endgame. Its on fire but can be salvaged. The other thing Id like to add is that the citadels needs to have some sort of indication of where to find them. I know it doesnt directly relates to the economy but it is another rng endgame progression blocker. I think GGG is going to have to come out with something quite soon. At least a statement, the actual patches might take a bit pretty soon into the new year Id really like to hear where they plan on going.

[@PathofEvening]

Oh, citadels and the hunting of endgame bosses is an entire massive issue on its own, and definitely needs to be rectified sooner rather than later.

[@bappo2693]

they will be selling white items for 10 div soon

[@Freedom-kl8rt]

🤣

[@BodyRocker9]

I guess they could just cap the rarity at 100%. People are running at like 200%-300% rarity

[@PathofEvening]

That could work. Even just way super-strong diminishing returns would be a solution.

[@LHunt49]

I really like your solution for getting the breach points

[@TheWooly]

Without crafting, endgame mechanics that center around awarding crafting materials simply won't work. That's what it feels like right now. Exalts and Divines don't even hold any real value outside of currency based on scarcity. At some point without any real way to utilize exalts/divines, the market will just crash anyway.

[@NotQuartz]

@@TheWooly this isn’t really true for divines. The reason those went up in price is because people found uses for them, primarily on ingenuity

[@williamreese7828]

There are several uniques that are absolutely worth using divines on, hence why their price is skyrocketing compared to exalts. Exalts also have a use in crafting, but only in combination with Omens, which are giga-rare, and therefore no one except mirror-tier crafters is actually able to make anything with exalts. Hence the massive inflation that honestly won't end until we can spend exalts adding a mechanic to whatever map we go into (like in PoE1, so many issues are problems that PoE1 had and then fixed, that PoE2 decided to just make all over again). Judging by the current price of omens on the currency exchange, they should probably drop at least 10x as often as they do, if not closer to 20x.

[@JtotheDoubleL]

They could change everything in this video and nothing in the economy would change except divines to exalt ratio skyrocketing even more. What they need to add is more currency sinks for ex. There is no true mass currency sink for exalts, which causes people to only price their items in divines, no matter how shitty they are. With a strong sink for exalts, people would not just price their mediocre items in divines, they would actually have to start pricing items in exalts. PoE 1's economy only works so well the way it is with chaos is bc chaos is used for vital things in the end game. Simple bench crafts whether you need the affix or youre blocking something for crafting. Rolling maps uses a lot of chaos, something everyone needs to do. These dont exist in poe 2. Slamming items and map mods isnt using enough exalts. T17 maps in poe 1, while divisive, are a HUGE chaos sink. And combined with a good divine sink in the bench with prefix and suffix cannot be changed, divines are kept in check too. Lastly there also need to be stronger non standard currency farming opportunities. There are no opportunities to make currency without getting raw currency drops. Long story short, poe 1 economy is a masterpiece and we are missing a lot of those vital aspects in the poe 2 economy resulting in the most mediocre items being "crafted" and sold for divines instead of exalts because exalts are literally worthless, making people list even more and more mediocre items for divines.

[@PathofEvening]

The game is still in early access

[@mike9512]

Exalts and chaos should be dropping like candy at late game campaign and endgame. It feels like GGG is tying difficulty to access, which is not sustainable imo. Just tie difficulty to the fight, not what tools we have.

[@spencers1485]

@mike9512 exalts do. Chaos not so much.

[@mike9512]

@spencers1485 When, though? I'm lv 73, and I'm getting nothing, exalts, or chaos. I only have good gear because I bought currency. I feel like as soon as endgame starts, exalts should be dropping with every map. I understand why they aren't, but I thought GGG said they want crafting to be more accessible. This is not the path to doing that. I'll be okay with either. If this game isn't for me, I'll leave when the game is released. If GGG wants to open up the game more, I'll stick around.

[@spencers1485]

@mike9512 it is more acceesable. You can craft juat like everyone else. Slam decent bases you find. Crafting being accessible doesn't mean you can just craft anything you want with no scarcity. It just means your don't have to have a third party program to figure out all 20 steps to crafting an item

[@spencers1485]

@@mike9512 have you made your maps rare? Used tablets on towers?

[@mike9512]

@spencers1485 I think we have different interruptions of what accessible means. Which is ok, not everyone needs to agree on a game. Maybe I will prove to be wrong, and PoE 2 was never intended for people like me.

[@theo008]

I will send this video to ggg support team in a ticket. I'm not to smart to provide my own feedback, but this video is on point.

[@AggyLovesGames]

I have 2 changes I'd like to see for rarity: tuning and moving affixes around on gear to make damage prefixes way more important on non weapons slots. Tuning: I think the first 50 or 100 rarity is okay, but I'd argue that diminshing returns need to be turned up massively. Going from 100 to 200 should be as effective as going from 80 to 100. With 200 to 300 feeling like 90 to 100, and much above that doesn't do all that much. Having rarity makes gearing more interesting as it is really a more multiplier on the number of monsters killed. It also means gear has 3 main goals: damage, tank, damage efficiency. Damaging prefixes: Another fix I'd want to see is more competitive affixes against rarity. Maybe cast speed and attack speed go to prefixes for non weapons. Makes it harder for some builds, like MoM who just need the mana prefix on all gear and then 2 open to slot rarity into one of them.

[@PathofEvening]

Good suggestions!

[@catra195]

The problem is there is already too much competition for rarity and stats unless your on a 1% build. Which makes low budget/New players have high demand for gear while being priced out. And High budget players Only Farming Currency and Trading. The Crafting system is the problem and The Currency drop rate without Rarity. Lower the Demand and the prices will lower as well

[@exeedorbit]

Just one note for those farming Simulacrum Splinters. Using the emotions on maps makes the maps delirious. All monsters in those maps can drop splinters. Pretty good way of adding reward to the map. Though, it does make the maps considerably harder to clear.

[@implosesgm]

wrong. only delirium type of monsters can drop splinters, not all monsters. in average you'll get 2~3 splinters per map from these monsters

[@exeedorbit]

@@implosesgm Thank you for the correction. I figured all monsters in there were delirium type monsters. Either way, a decent way of farming splinters rather than only having to rely on delirium mirrors.

[@PathofEvening]

Looks like someone else covered this for us

[@linemat7887]

@@implosesgm 2-3 per unjuiced map without any deli passives, yes

[@exeedorbit]

@@PathofEvening By whom, if you don't mind my asking?

[@brice9013]

When MF is too strong and good drops never happen it starts to turn into what diablo 2 did a long time ago, a trading simulator when you trade to try new builds instead of playing the game

[@totallynottrademarked5279]

I smell a full reset in our future.

[@ThePapaupa12]

if they do that many people will leave the game so i don't think so

[@nirvana77811]

@ThePapaupa12 If it does come to that point they truly have a flawed design, i don't think they had time to iron out the drop rates and loot, the end game definitely feels rushed

[@BallinLikeJolly]

@@nirvana77811 good thing it’s still early access and they have time to fix things

[@altinalatte]

Just cap rarity at a certain percentage. 75 just like res. Lel

[@joshualanzafame6243]

They won’t do a reset until full release. All EA characters will enter their own league and all new characters will start from scratch

[@dumbyfiddler2376]

The content atlas should be forst points after clearing content on white maps, then second points on yellow maps, red maps, then end game boss for last points. That would make more sense.

[@eddyram4932]

Loot is bad and crafting is worse. They need to fix one or the other, preferably both. Also the trading system is horrendous, idk whose idea it was to put the trading on an off game website🤦‍♂️ and how they think it’s a good system at all.

[@WesternHypernormalization]

2:19 Close your eyes and start slamming. You'll end up with a 20 div item guaranteed!

[@PathofEvening]

Hmm

[@GoatKnife]

Anybody knows if ritual is affected by rarity? Like do I have a higher chance of finding an invitation with 300 rarity or is map level the only thibg that matters?

[@PathofEvening]

Does not appear to be.

[@jacoblancaster5044]

Nice a Llarold video on a topic im interested in. Time to sit back in front of the cameras at work and enjoy my favorite poe streamer

[@thenetgamer2]

There really should be more of a trade-off for putting rarity find on gear. Either reduced damage or guaranteed lower resistance combined in the pre/suffix. Tie that in with more sinks/mechanics and reasons to engage in them, like other people said, and the economy should self-correct.

[@delalucard]

well, no wonder the issue is the greedy economy filled by full time players.... not even gonna mention u need to play a meta build to actually make currency too History repeats itself

[@PathofEvening]

Well, the lack of any real way to generate currency except to just clear rares as fast as possible doesn't help.

[@Freedom-kl8rt]

game made for streamers

[@MashyM3llow]

shrine can be so bad at times just cos its located some where tugged in one corner when u already cleared 90% of the map. it happened to me so often and the buff is too short. i wished they highlight the shrine earlier on map etc.

[@Xanthus-5c]

Really good suggestions!

[@PathofEvening]

Thanks!

[@sovereignreclaimer]

Well said, it could get out of hand if this doesn’t change. Great video, Lance.

[@PathofEvening]

Thank-HEY! Wait a minute!

[@jacoblancaster5044]

Yes blight next please. That was my favorite mechanic in poe1 for just fun. Make it big and juicy so its worth it to. Imo it was worth it in necro but the nerfs to scarabs and crap bricked any chance of making good profit with golden oil

[@eddy0512]

I really want an Alteration orb, to at least reroll blue bases and jewels. Also I think the current state of aquiring atlas mechanic points is really bad by design. Tested out one Breachstone, chopped off 70% of the boss and then oneshotted. I dont have a clue what killed me, I dont have another try to learn him, I wasted 1+ div in trying and didnt receive any skillpoints, therefore my farming is more inefficent. That is a trash system and needs to be changed

[@olelarsen1386]

Yeah, the one and done nature of the game makes all of the problems with mechanics worse and honestly encourages you to not interact with the systems but just sell them.

[@JordanSherrington-dn7wd]

Skill issue

[@Mengeneful]

@JordanSherrington-dn7wd brain issue

[@royalecrafts6252]

Is better to sell those really​@@olelarsen1386

[@Fishster]

@JordanSherrington-dn7wdcrafting is a complete lottery nothing more, you just keep buying tickets until you get something worthwhile (likely never) how’s that a skill issue?

[@wowitsfrostygames155]

i think people might disagree with me on this, but personally i also think trash stats dont have a place in the current poe 2 item system. "light radius" works in poe 1 because no matter how badly you screw up an item, you can fix that item provided its not corrupted, and even then we have tainted currency. i can buy my perfectly rolled base, and from now until kingdom come work on this base as a long term project until it becomes a GG item. theres just something that feels illegal about rolling a max rolled white amethyst ring, putting my hopes and dreams into this left click as i transmute it, just to roll t1 mana, and i can do NOTHING about it. now i understand what they were PROBABLY going for. just spam it with exalts. i have 6 attempts to roll good mods on it, and you only need like 3 good mods on an item anyways. sure, but it still doesent feel good to be entirely incapable of doing anything about my 35% ms boots randomly have thorns damage on it, and the best i can do is chaos and just HOPE it doesent hit the only good stat, and if i mess up i just have to hope i find another 35% ms boots (havent found a single pair of 35% ms boots in 200 hours of gameplay). its REALLY close to being good, but close only counts in horseshoes and grenades.

[@PathofEvening]

It's definitely a holdover from the PoE 1 crafting system, and it just doesn't really work in the context of the new game.

[@PharCry]

I'd like rarity gone. However, I feel like if essences (specifically greater essences) were more available, it can be much better to "craft" baseline items and hope for some rarity. If nothing else, rarity should be changed to not effect currency at all (and gold... jfc gold xdd). Hope January patching looks good. Imagine if Expedition crafting on high tier items could give an extra socket as well

[@voswouter87]

"Kill item rarity on gear" What about removing the effect of rarity on currency? You could then double the base currency drop rate. And maybe even more for omens, for better crafting.

[@PathofEvening]

That would work, as well.

[@Flameshadow22]

The current crafting system is non-existent. The endgame atlas progression is super grindy and feels kinds aimless compared to poe1. In poe 1 the atlas was so much cleaner and clearer for a new player. Now you need to grind out tons of maps just go gain a pittance of atlas points and you can't even target league mechanics.... Man, I get they wanted to do away with scarab but forcing players to have to do tower maps over and over and over to use tablets is definitely not the way to go

[@phishmastermike]

Crafting is bad we need alteration orbs back. But we need a better trading system bc it’s toxic right now

[@PharCry]

Creators like you should talk with Zizaran as well, feel like you've had a lot of good ideas both in PoE 1 and 2. But that's just my opinion

[@PathofEvening]

We would talk with anyone but they might be too busy for a small channel like ours.

[@Lucyfer-0]

Rarity of items have to go. I feel like I have to get min 100% or I will never get enough to buy good gear. But every time I'm looking for an upgrade I'm looking after rarity.

[@OwnedGamer96]

I dont want to play the game when I see what's happening with the economy, 0.2% of the players farming like 40ex per map while me struggling to farm 3-4 per map, it takes weeks to afford an upgrade for my build so why would I bother to play?

[@PathofEvening]

Yeah, exactly. They will get it into the right place, we have faith in them, but it isn't there right now.

[@collapsiblechair9112]

Everyone has good ideas of how they'd like crafting to be. Some good and some bad. But I guess GGG have already decided on what systems are to be implemented. As per usual they will more, or less, ignore suggestions. If they do act upon any it'll only be in a piecemeal manner.

[@PathofEvening]

Pretty sure that's all gaming companies

[@MikeCobb1990]

Add Bad Luck Protection

[@Catzillator]

It is only problem because people kinda wanna exploit it.

[@joeanon8568]

Rarity having the multiplying effects it does is problematic. I would have expected them to anticipate that after all the PoE1 balance development over the years.

[@kkeithf]

Quick question, Why not just put on a little rarity gear?

[@joeanon8568]

@kkeithf I do, but the way it's scaling is the problem.

[@totallynottrademarked5279]

@@kkeithf Because it limits viable builds. No longer is it can your build survive and do damage in top tier content, it now adds can it do all of that down 1-2 explicit per piece of gear? Which means the playerbase dogpiles onto that build. While everyone that does not has a far worse experience. It needs to be removed from the game. As they will do what they do in PoE1, and constantly nerf the base rate to not have to touch all the modifers. Which makes the game worse for everyone not MFing by a large margin, when the end result after all the modifers barely changes. It's bad game design that causes more problems than it solves.

[@gringoboy701]

​@@kkeithfbecause the entire point of customizable builds is so that it isnt forcing everyone to use the same exact stat. Its also a problem because it creates a massive gap between people who dont spam mf and people who do and you can die 10x as much as someone else with no mf and still collect 10x the currency. Thats moronic.

[@sal1764]

I think GGG know this, and are having a second try, testing at the rarity to make it work.

[@powergi3996]

I'm not even picking up gear at all anymore. It's a waste of time for me as a new player. I've never used an item of gear i picked up myself. On t8 maps now.

[@BeenuZz]

i have been playing 70 hours, i still dont understand what people mean with leagues. Is it the leaderboard or something? League, div, wtf are those.

[@gringoboy701]

@@BeenuZz its just what they call their seasons. Basically everything is reset and they add in new systems to the game and it lasts about 4 months. Leaderboards just show who has progressed the farthest during that leqgue.

[@BeenuZz]

@@gringoboy701 ah season ok, thanks

[@HideOnSpell]

Div = Divine Orbs , Leagues are seasons which each contain a unique mechanic and previous league mechanics such as breech. These League mechanics were introduced in POE1 and carried over to 2.

[@PathofEvening]

Looks like others have this covered

[@hisrichness]

People have been complaining about markets since Plato. Probably even before. The fact of the matter is, they don't work. A market economy inevitably crashes every 5-8yrs. That isn't even coming from some sort of communist writer. That's the official statement from the USA government and their own research. In the 1800s, it was well known that crashes occurred on average every 8-12yrs. If this madness continues to get worse and it certainly will, we will have economic crashes every 3-5yrs, while the rich profit off the misery of the working class at the bottom. the question i have, is why would video game developers, who are supposed to be some of the most imaginative people on the planet, introduce such a bad sytem in their game, when they had the freedom to imagine literally anything else in the world? I understand in real life, we all have the "choice" to live in market economies, but why do we also have to suffer in a virtual world? it doesn't make sense and it isn't very imaginative at all. inflation and price fixing is bad enough in the real world. I don't need it in my video games.

[@c-tothefourth4879]

Lmao

[@royalecrafts6252]

True true, videogame developers have 0 clues about how to do a non inflating or at least very very slow inflating economy

[@PathofEvening]

Players need to seize the means of production.

[@hisrichness]

​@@PathofEvening Thank you. At least someone gets it lol

[@daveh5139]

This video is like... 6 months too early.

[@Danser0007]

great opinion I totally agree

[@ThxttiesWorld]

POE has always beenan economy driven game

[@PathofEvening]

100%.

[@kenai6935]

New profile picture 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@PathofEvening]

Just a quick experiment but glad you like it

[@spencers1485]

What's wrong with the economy? If you look at exalts as the equivalent to chaos in poe1. A divine being 80c is not a big deal at all. And that divine has more buying power than in poe1 too. Can get much better rares with it.

[@c-tothefourth4879]

That is a useless metric

[@JtotheDoubleL]

While this is true, there is no true mass currency sink for exalts, which causes people to only price their items in divines, no matter how shitty they are. With a strong sink for exalts, people would not just price their mediocre items in divines, they would actually have to start pricing items in exalts. PoE 1's economy only works so well the way it is with chaos is bc chaos is used for vital things in the end game. Simple bench crafts whether you need the affix or youre blocking something for crafting. Rolling maps uses a lot of chaos, something everyone needs to do. These dont exist in poe 2. Slamming items and map mods isnt using enough exalts. T17 maps in poe 1, while divisive, are a HUGE chaos sink. And with a good divine sink in the bench with prefix and suffix cannot be changed, divines are kept in check too. Long story short, poe 1 economy is a masterpiece and we are missing a lot of those vital aspects in the poe 2 economy resulting in the most mediocre items being "crafted" and sold for divines instead of exalts because exalts are literally worthless

[@spencers1485]

@JtotheDoubleL there is alot of stuff listed in exalts still. Just not top tier stuff obviously. I've bought things for 10 20 30ex all recently. Are you filtering things by exalted for price?

[@spencers1485]

@c-tothefourth4879 not really. Divines are probably about the same drop rate at poe1 and exalts are the same as chaos. And there is much better buying power. I juat bought a very good monk staff for my alt for 1 div. It's not perfect but it is still very very strong endgame rare. For 80 ex.

[@JtotheDoubleL]

@@spencers1485 yes I'm at a point in character power where to gain marginal power increases I have to spend a lot of divines. my point was that in poe 1 there are way more established economic principles and there is an economic balance that poe 2 literally doesnt have yet.

[@dixieflatline1189]

1) all loot drops are grey 2) farmable bosses for "convert to X + stat of your choice" 3) Last Epoch is a mid game with s-tier crafting & trading systems. - do those systems

[@c-tothefourth4879]

Nah

[@PathofEvening]

Nah

[@RoeDeerMusic]

yes.... give us crafting.... this would also fix the currency inflation. exalteds get more and more inflated with every day passing cause nobody is using them for more then slamming maps. i started hardcore cause softcore economy is complete trash already.

[@gus3143]

There’s no crafting, it’s literally gambling

[@littlefoot2869]

just same way maps are do 10 get 2 points stack it now 20 and 30 so on i be fine with that not to fast and take some time to get them all

[@shiki325]

King of the mist is bs if you don't drop the belt it's a worthless fight lol

[@shiki325]

They should also fix the second phase

[@hirosese]

the game will have 200 million+ players at launch, it doesnt need fixing

[@mitchellkrever421]

200 million... 😂

[@PathofEvening]

50 billion players. Will their servers hold up?

[@APJ9000]

i fixed my econ by taking my ass to ssf

[@Fiercehowler]

i agree it's bad hopefully it gets better in the future

[@PathofEvening]

Fingers crossed

[@aria.e]

Everything good is minimum 5-10 divine orbs

[@spencers1485]

No way dude. That's for exceptional stuff. 1 divine rares are still pretty damn good. 10 div stuff is crazy.

[@basedcringe9000]

skill issue

[@PathofEvening]

Disagree

[@Exzeph]

Lerald??

[@PathofEvening]

Llarold is speaking, yes

[@eddytroy8338]

I have a ranger lvl 89 mapping 15 almost 150 hours of play time i had only like 4 divines to drop 😂

[@ВалерийАбашидзе-в5р]

@@eddytroy8338 you need minimum 100 rarity to drop currency as normal. Without it you will grind forever

[@PathofEvening]

Yikes

[@Shadow-ov1iz]

My solution for all of these problems: Wait foe 3.26. Im so over this shit the amount of rage poe2 induces is only comparable to Lol That aside i agree with pretty much all the stuff said in the video

[@Saiperia]

only breach drops loot and whithout magic find you only get white and bluh crap + transmute/ agumentation orbs. even if for some reason a rare item drops its crap 999/ out of 1000 times. Tiered gear at least has better possible minimum rolls but the mod pool still is bloated. also they drop to scarce. As long the game is centered around trade the only way to get gear is to buy gear... ( lucky 1/1000 drops not included) and you cant buy gear if you cant find decent curreny ( without magic find). i ran t15+ maps for 3h today found like 2 decent rares and like 5 rares with tier 2+. Farming right now feels like wasted time ( without decent magic find). if poe 2 had some last epoch loot mecanics like the non trade fraction that boost loot and enables target farming i would stop playing trade and just doo my ssf stuff but the way loot is generated at the moment you cant find anything decent and the only way to progess is spam exalt and chaos orbs and pray.

[@PathofEvening]

100%, yes.

[@kencollins6324]

You had a poe2 rmt advert lol.

[@royalecrafts6252]

Thats what the game is for

[@PathofEvening]

We don't choose the ads, KZbin does. We have declined over 20 sponsorships for RMT websites. We told them they ruin games and to never contact us again, then reported and blocked them.

[@royalecrafts6252]

@PathofEvening they ruined games lol, no they dont, they just take advantage of a shitty game design

[@bluntman3180]

Any economy in a game thats player run will suck based on the fact of greed. Divine orbs are costing way too many exalted orbs right now and its only going up.

[@royalecrafts6252]

@@bluntman3180 and it us worse than that because the currency is infinite AND adding to the problem the devs added magic find which floods the currency market even more haha they didnt take economy 101

[@lavq7000]

That's not true? Most of the time the economy in PoE1 is fine through countless leagues for like 12 years. The economy can be different sometimes but it is about adapting when the game gives the options for it.

[@royalecrafts6252]

@lavq7000 league doest experience that much inflation of course cause is short in time, try eternal realm and you will know what true inflation is

[@lavq7000]

@@royalecrafts6252 yes but thats the point. The vast majority of people play PoE as a seasonal game. We come back each league for the economy reset and it works fine. Saying that than an economy driven by players does not work is false when it has been working in the context of PoE1 for 12 years

[@royalecrafts6252]

@lavq7000 YOU play season, a lot of people dont, the economy does not work

[@matthewbrown6397]

4:22 You say that this is a big part of poe 1's success. Agree or disagree, I'll say this; PoE 2 has almost zero dopamine hits. At its current state, it's almost unplayable. It's not fun, it's not rewarding, it cares not about your time. Anyone who disagrees with this statement is one of three things; A streamer//content creator - who's lively-hood is dependant on this success of the game Someone with stockholm syndrome - constantly engaged in these streams//watching videos and who's opinion is so amalgamated with their 'streamers' it's hard to tell where which begins. A masochist - I think this is the smallest group of them, but obviously there is a group of people who genuinely enjoy the 'end game" version of poe 2. I'd argue most of them have very few hours in diablo 2 or PoE 1 (the two greatest arpgs of all time) and that if they did they wouldn't fall into this camp at all. There are so many issues with this game that wealth disparity is near the bottom of the barrel of problems. This games predecessor has always had this problem, but streamers or anyone who played 12 hours a day could circumvent this problem in numerous ways, and therefor it was masked. People who play few hours a day, are in, almost the same position they are are every league. Except, that the game is fun. Builds are fun. The game isn't a chore to play. Over time you can amass a certain amount of currency, slowly but surely because the options are vast, and FUN. PoE 2 is more dopamine draining, that it is giving. They need to fix how the game functions, and a lot of them are bad game design choices. One portal, pseudo slow methodical combat, clunky 2h melee attacks, the gem system (which is a big problem of the leveling process) I'm not sure why they intended to ostracize so much of their original player base. I want to love this game so much. I've tried, and tried. but it's just not possible. The rich get richer, will always exist in any live game service with an economy, that will persist as long as their are 'professional' gamers. But if the game is FUN to play, engaging, fun to build around, etc. Then this problem is buried pretty nicely, and very rarely rears it's ugly head.

[@PathofEvening]

Yup, the game needs more reliable sources of currency farming. It can't just be "Kill rares & pray."

[@enmbarrett]

Moving rarity to only effect item rarity and not currency is a good middle ground.

[@CenturyViral]

It's an early access BETA, don't give it that much attention, everything will reset at release and GGG will continue to nerf/improve/adapt to player experiences.

[@Fishster]

True it is EA. The issue is that firstly it needs a coherent rethink it’s currently miles off. (Including an actual crafting system that players have agency over rather than a lottery). Then it’s going to need numerous iterations and adjustments to get it in a place that the game is rewarding for a broad range of players (casual to 14 hour a dayers) it also has to accommodate two essentially different games (when it comes to economy) SSF and trade. Still, they did say release might be up to a year away so they have some time.

[@PathofEvening]

It's our job to to give it attention so we can help shape the end result.

[@Fishster]

@ indeed it is. Fortunately there are some insightful creators (e.g.. Kripp) who have GGGs ear. He’s summed up my experience pretty well. Still I’m happy to just be a some bytes in their data analytics 🙂

[@WolfNamedJohn]

Giving us tailwind on boots would make ascendancies other than deadeye viable.

[@collapsiblechair9112]

it would mean every build would have the same boots. It's a bad idea.

[@PathofEvening]

Same can & should be said about move speed on boots right now.

[@Darksh1n]

poe2 endgame is pretty poop atm not gonna lie

[@PathofEvening]

It's still in early access

[@KrackerUncle]

0:35 I absolutely disagree with this sentiment to Early Access games. as far as I am concerned its the game release. the beta or full release are the v2.0 games. it's absolute nonsense and just marketing speech companies get away with. That aside, I think poe2 is really really cool. The only problem I have right now is that the build variety is boring af. Mercenary with glavanic shot pretty much is just a sorceress with a crossbow. There are nice mechanics, but so much is just lightning dmg, frost damage etc. just the spell is slightly different. melee sucks as always, I'll just wait for duelist to come out and hope there will be ANYTHING that plays with bleed.

[@PathofEvening]

Go log in & play Huntress, then!

[@KrackerUncle]

@@PathofEvening I'd like to

[@LittleRadicalThinker]

Typical fix one problem by creating 200 more problems😏

[@PathofEvening]

That's the PoE complexity we know and love.

[@LittleRadicalThinker]

@ gj you are masochist enough to be a Poe fanboy😏

[@Flameshadow22]

Poe 2 crafting is non-existant, and currently pure rng unless you are super rich to afford omens to kinda craft something maybe? The lack of a crafting bench makes SO MUCH GEAR that would be totally usable with a little bit of investment on poe 1 just worthless trash no one wants in this game

[@PathofEvening]

Yup!

[@pjd418]

the thing is magic find has been a thing since d2 every farming toon i've built in every rpg has stacked MF the whole point of an arpg is the loot hunt and making it easier to do so i don't like your argument to remove it

[@PathofEvening]

Ok

[@kkeithf]

The people that want magic find gone just don't want other people to find good stuff before them. It's sad.

[@ProtoUnleashed]

@@kkeithf gotta love new players opinions 💀😂

[@scarletmoon777]

All they have to do is remove its effect on currency that's all that needed

[@kkeithf]

@@ProtoUnleashed I'm new but you're mad because I have more divines than you. Jealousy makes people act so ugly. Why not just put on rarity yourself. Is it a brain issue?

[@kkeithf]

@@ProtoUnleashed And don't tell me you don't care about divines because if you didn't care about divines you wouldn't care about rarity and you would just play Solo. Is actual skill issue.

[@joehardwaree]

@@kkeithf no, it’s because it’s a boring stat, and takes away from my character power because i’m forced to run it to keep up with the economy.

[@SmexerP]

TLDR: The creator of this video is displeased that he doesnt experience the same rewards as someone who invests way more into the same activity while he invests very little, yet expects to be rewarded to the same degree. You cant expect to play in a soccer premier league if you play soccer every 2nd weekend completely drunk with your friends. Poe has never been a casual friendly game and is known to be, why then do people knowing that go to pick up poe 2, complain about it and expect something different? Just go back to farming cringe helltides and infernal hordes, poe is not going to change into a casual cringe fest d4 raid finder no matter how much you complain about it. Accept the challenge and time investment or just leave, those are your choices.

[@PathofEvening]

WARNING: This commenter is attempting to gatekeep someone who farmed 4 Magebloods in the first month of Settlers League.

[@SmexerP]

@PathofEvening rookie numbers

[@angrywoodbooger3353]

wipe it...start over

[@PathofEvening]

Probably not

[@iitsNeo]

> Guy doesn't have a stacked rarity build > Guy complains rarity stacking is too strong Counterthought.. rarity finder is too weak, why on earth should you need to sacrifice a huge amount of your build and survivability to obtain juicy dopamine shinies? Make rarity stronger perk, reduce how many sources it can be obtained on. My Sorc was a rarity finder at ~400%, I respec'd away back to a normal build because I wasn't able to comfortably complete other content that I otherwise would have been able to. I'm not the only one, 3rd party forums are awash of players/farmers doing similar.

[@PathofEvening]

There's an idea around of removing rarity from all armour and weapon slots and creating a Heist-style "Currency Slot" Item that is where all the rarity and currency conversion mods would be located. It's an idea.

[@illxet]

No it's not. Clearly you don't know economics which also means you are most likely poor irl

[@MikeyJ28]

You aren’t very bright are you?

[@HalIOfFamer]

0 friends irl take.

[@PathofEvening]

L