POE 3.21 - How 1000+ Energy Shield Shields Are Being Made - Path of Exile - Crucible

[@sirgog]

Just want to add a correction: There's one more mod you can add (the least important one) - 60% increased ES with a drawback in column 2. It's only additive so it's not all THAT important, but it does make the item better. If you want to shoot for this as well, it's done after forcing on the 15% mod and imprinting, just like the DPS mod, but now you have more failure states. This will require a lot more imprint beasts.

[@migki2123]

on step 4, on the SST perk item, you can unnallocate the first perk of it so you have less chance of losing the ES perk.

[@kolumdium]

Isn't it way better to go from right to left? Because the node you want to keep is always allocated over the node you don't want. That way the chance to loose a node is way lower.

[@ThatWanderingDude]

Managed to hit an 800 es shield off a random geode that let me throw a crucible tree on a unique item. Its been a blast running sst with it.

[@pedrolopa2]

i personally chose to not go with the sst node and go cold conversion, its not very hard to hit 300m+ dps on cold and freeze is just so good. I really feel it when im freezing unique crucible monsters or bosses, it's a great layer of defense

[@pedrolopa2]

keep in mind that if you want the gg shield at 1005es, you also need 60% increased es (with 5% reduced max life) on the second column of the tree

[@sirgog]

Yeah it's the least important part because of additive stacking but I'll pin a post to that effect

[@SokarEntertainment]

@@sirgog True, but without it, you won't hit the last breakpoint. I guess it depends on how much of a perfectionist you are.

[@Shadow_de_Kronos]

@@willemdafoe171 No, it is a breakpoint. There is an alt-quality on SST that gives you crit multi per 100 ES on shield, so dinging over 1k puts you over a breakpoint.

[@Turtle.69]

Can I ask why you see the top DPS builds using this shield on poeninja having a double influenced Emperor's Vigilance? Like, I've seen Shaper+Redeemer ones. Is it just because it looks cool?

[@timmyexile8141]

I have crafted three of these shields this league, it is not fun. Trading for scours is the worst part. Hard to find more than 1k for a reasonable price from a single seller. Edit Also, you say 1/5000. My 3 shields have been 22k, 28k, and 4k attempts. 18,000 attempts on average. Editing again after finishing, haha: On average chancing this shield has cost me about 100 divines even accounting for my very lucky hit. The most recent base I bought for this was 75 divines. That's 175 divines on average for me to make these. This afternoon I sold one for 300 divines. There is no way these should be worth "dozens" of divines. Much more.

[@whozdatdude]

Yeah that sounds about right I think it's 1/30k to chance not 1/5k There's alot of things wrong with this video like for example the 60% armour, es mod is missing so the shield won't hit 1k either. First time being disappointed with sirgogs video, usually he is pretty accurate on these things.

[@sirgog]

The issue with gathering stats on these is that sample sizes are so small - yours is 3, other people I've asked have had sample sizes of 1, 2, or in one case 4. It's not even clear how chance orbs work under the hood, or that EV is tier 2 rarity (the evidence for that is strong, but not overwhelming, and if it is T1, well, 20000 is in line with that). Your data does make it unlikely to be 5000, but 7000 is still completely compatible with your findings.

[@viperdragz4403]

props to you for doing that. Thats sounds really unfun

[@timmyexile8141]

@@IanLovesCookies I certainly wouldn’t go that far.

[@doomfaith2206]

i agree i heard most of people talking about 10k 25k even 50 k try lol i stoped at 8k try felt like spending currency on nothing the 1 in 5000 k try is completly wrong xD

[@mooseclamps]

that intro is badass

[@quantumpanic]

They really should just make a new kind of orb that's a combination of scours and chances, that basically does the same thing as scouring and chancing.

[@Mink0twink]

I’ve been doing a lot with crafting shields this season and defenently do not sleep on the Es/life on block nodes and % life on suppressed damage. If you can fit these in with all the other nodes he talked about in this video they are incredibly powerful for up time

[@codhcod4949]

maybe the solution for the chance orb would be some kind of currency or similar that allows to "re-chance" an item that was chanced from normal initially (being that the only condition) and then you can just chance regardless of rarity (that would also improve the mechanics for clicking) you could also add a filter to put an item you desire to get through chancing or even a base and that it stops there like when 6 link armors are done

[@kyoma8145]

Tbh, I personnaly think that the way to fix chance orbs would be by removing the need to need to scour each time (it could lead to people botting for unique items but I don't see why they can't do it already)

[@sirgog]

Yeah they could do that and just make the orbs rarer to make up for no longer needing the scour.

[@itsnoblesse]

It's already entirely possible to macro for uniques with scour chancing, so making it easier to apply chance orbs would benefit players while not mattering to people macroing it. So it would be a nice change to save the wrists and mental health of exiles

[@greeeb.]

could even just make it use up a scour without needing the extra click, if they dont want to mess with the values of things too much. obv your idea would be better

[@willemdafoe171]

@@greeeb. It could work exactly like every other bench craft where it uses a scour and a chance orb to "chance a non-unique item" and just had the craft button to spam until it hit. Then it would work just like 6-linking where it stops itself when it's done.

[@prozlayer87]

Thanks for this good explanation 👌

[@Senny_V]

I got lucky and managed to snipe a SKS (while looking for the 15% mod lol) with the 15% *and* with the SST mod,,, now my question is a) Is that worth imprinting? and b) How do I best get the +40ES mod from my other shield on there while ideally keeping the 15% and SST? That shield also has a tree of depth 5 if that improves the odds (but none of the spots on that branch conflict with the other shield) edit: nvm i borked the shield because my stupid ass overlooked the "forged items are corrupted with an implicit" mod on my geode

[@TheMrGazoline]

how do you search for a such finished item on the trade site?

[@pupkin-qk8ql]

I have made tens of perfect sks bases, that means +40 es, 60%increase armour/evasion/es, 15 defence mod magnitutes, 100% chance to avoid shock(free aipment immunity with stormshroud), and the sst mod. I wanna say, its WAAAAY better to do it from right to left. Its decent profit, ppl are buying these bases for 75 divines regularly(emp vig with this tree sells for 220divs). This takes around 60 divs to make on avg and with the split you get around 150 divs. Its basically 90 divs profit per tree made

[@HDWB_Gaming]

what about maximum frenzy mutated nodes ? , better than shock avoid 100%? and much harder

[@sirgog]

Yeah, they weren't being done by anyone at the time I made this video, but I agree it's probably the best option overall.

[@HDWB_Gaming]

@@sirgog each splitted cost 40-50div :)) that mutated +1 frenzy is so expensive, tried 30 shields, not even mutated, so i just choose the easiest path, pick 100% shock avoid :)

[@garetwebster5002]

Can you do a video on using harvest lifeforce to craft items? For example I know its pretty easy to get + crit +curse hunter chests with harvest rerolls, what other items are craftable?

[@sirgog]

This is a HUGE topic. Two good ones though: - Reforge Phys on a fractured pure Int shield where the 'locked' mod is Thorns: Forces +1 phys gems - Reforge Chaos on a fractured pure Int shield where the 'locked' mod is chaos resist: Good chance of +1 chaos gems

[@garetwebster5002]

@@sirgog wait are you saying reforge won't land on a shield with the same mods?

[@sirgog]

@@garetwebster5002 there's only two legal mods in each case and with one fractured on, you'll get a different mod. If you have fractured thorns, thorns isn't a valid roll

[@orbitutmost]

Sorry if i missed, but at one point the video specifies the lvl 80 forge. Why is this necessary over just any forge?

[@sirgog]

Oh to clarify: there's the in-map forge events, there's the level 80 special Forge map-like object, and the level 84 map-like object. This merging of trees on non-unique, non-corrupt items requires the level 80 map-like object.

[@Nerd_Chimp]

min ilvl sks? 83 or 84?

[@danieljohnson270]

Thanks for the math on how long on average it takes to chance it! That just convinced me that I will never want to do this craft, so I can stop picking up steel kite shields to crucify. :)

[@sirgog]

Keep in mind it could be worse too, I certainly won't guarantee 5000

[@Flanktank2]

Pretty sure there is a much better way to create crucible trees that doesn't have 20-50% odds, if your base tree has no nodes in slots where the top item is allocated chances improve to 70-90% iirc. Also im pretty sure you always want to do the right to left strategy.

[@sirgog]

'POE Noobs' findings were the reverse on right to left vs left to right, although he's clear that his sample size is small (only a few hundred forge uses). Nothing was over 70% in any case.

[@divinityai]

nah. If node is missing you could miss entire branch with the same odds as one allocated vs one unallocated basically

[@bhwung]

Working my way back from column 5 seemed more intuitive for me, I wonder if there are any significant differences between both apprpaches.

[@sirgog]

Shouldn't really matter as long as you imprint once you have enough value to justify it. The working forward approach was intended to hit the "this is worth imprinting" point quicker.

[@SokarEntertainment]

The reason you don't wanna do that, is that every time you go a node deeper, there is only a 70% chance of keeping the node (unless both trees has it, in which case, you still only have around 70% of getting the correct node, if it is allocated and other is not). That means the deeper you go, the bigger the chance of bricking the tree. More over, there is a chance the bridge won't appear as well. Going left to right lets you progress a lot more efficiently, though getting the 4-5th node is tedious. I have made 3 of these bases so far, 2 of which had 4 nodes to be perfect, and 1 with the 4 nodes and a 5th luxury node (100% shock avoidance). When I # nodes, I mean desirable nodes, not the order. The more nodes you want, and the deeper they are, the harder they are.

[@jaredgardner1409]

Can we do this on Aegis Aurora?

[@aintnuttinnice_7590]

crucible tree guide when

[@sirgog]

Short term I'd check out POE Noob's guide, linked in the description. It's most of what I know

[@izzy_027]

Does rhe base percent of the Steel Kite shield mater? Or will i need to use Sacreds before splitting to make sure i get a high base Emperor's

[@sirgog]

Sacred Orb cost is a rounding error here, but yeah, the optimal approach is to 100% before splitting

[@МиколаМартинюк-и8д]

23642 scouring/ chance orb for my shield, good luck to get it in 5k

[@denncaft4032]

Great video! POE at its best AND worse - the ability to create incredible items at the expense of your real life

[@The_Grimsun]

Is there a reason you cant just make this from the unique shield? Or is it just more payout/less risky to build it and then chance. *not aware of the cost of the unique, for sure that account for some of it*

[@sirgog]

You can't imprint then, and the unique is Shavronne's Wrappings rarity.

[@KevinWatt13]

The crystalline forge of the titans is also super expensive vs. the lvl 80 one.

[@cbezt6666]

Hi, Nice video. But can u explain clearly Step 5? How do we Scour and Chance this unique Shield?

[@sirgog]

Just repeat over and over - chance orb, then if not unique scouring orb and repeat. It's a horrid process and some are reporting taking 20000 or more attempts...

[@LordNerfherder]

I think my SST build deals around 200-300m+ dps but I cant really count very well because the POB isn't doing a very good job. I try make a custom phys to lightning and added lightning but it's not 100% accurate and doesn't account very well for how SST with vengeant cascade deals damage.

[@whozdatdude]

With VC it's 2x shield and 1x shard damage

[@danieljohnson270]

Do you happen to know what the projectile speed breakpoint is for SST and Vengeant Cascade? I'm trying to figure out what level Ashes I need to buy (to go with Sand Stance projectile speed).

[@whozdatdude]

@@danieljohnson270 i would recommend getting 30% qual on ashes, too many things depend on it, crit multi for phantasmal sst, berserk, sniper's mark, ancestral totems, alt gem auras (determination one makes a big difference)

[@palzperapat]

How many orb of chance to unique i use around 5000 not finish😂😂😂

[@RealBentusiII]

controller macro to chance shield?

[@devinphillips2270]

GL with your GGG ban =(

[@brandonkruse6412]

Imagine if CI builds could wear this.

[@sirgog]

Yeah. They can do most of this procedure with a synthesized titanium spirit shield, there's a 900ES mirror shield this league made along those lines

[@taiwanisacountry]

I have made 30% Inc Dex, with 2-4 cold damage per 10 Dex iron commander.

[@sirgog]

Yeah I've seen a couple of these, absolutely crazy items.

[@taiwanisacountry]

​@@sirgog we start with a base item with per Dex, if it is not split, then we split, and try to transfer it to a death bow. And from this step on we imprint. Now me and my bro have made around 10 of those. 5 and then split. Now we have learned that it is best to go in a straight line. But nobody talks about that. I had a bow that I spent 40 extra divine crafting because it kept on unlinking siege ballista, the 5th node. -_-, or the first 10% Dex. It did that 5 times. I had 5/5 nodes but they were not linked because it kept unlinking. So I started from scratch, waiting for my item to lose 3 nodes, and then making it all over. This time in a straight line. By straight I mean diagonally.

[@SwoleKitchen]

That’s sick

[@taiwanisacountry]

@@SwoleKitchen we have spent between 40-120div to make a pair of bows. The 40div was weeks ago, and can not be done to that price anymore. 120div was my own bow, where we started over. So you need a mad load of cash or imprint beasts. If you farm your own 20-80 imprint beasts, then you can also make such a bow. But try to make it in a diagonally line. And you can lose your initial bow that you try to transfer to a death bow. When it comes to chancing. You imprint first, if it turns into a death's harp, them you return it to a magic item, then repeat. Deaths harp is like 30 times rarer. But my bro got 2 in a row, and we did not know about imprint beasts. So that was a mirror down the drain because GGG is bad at communications.

[@muckaboi2351]

I got one that gives 900 es. Its good enough, can do all content

[@mechmuzic8290]

would be nice to have that craft of exile feature that crafts until you hit and just put it in POE... just slurp up all my scourings and chances in one second until i hit PLEASE, would save so much time for +1 amulets too...

[@sirgog]

IMO they should rework chance orbs, make them 80 times rarer (so 2 drop per divine orb, instead of the current 160), and have them roll 20 times and take the highest rarity. Then in Ruthless, change all vendor purchases that cost chance orbs to instead cost alterations.

[@lucidd4103]

How important is the phase where you scoure the allocated tree you want to keep before forging it? This sound so counter intuitive, why is this even a thing, especially with the idea that allocated nodes have a better chance to stay. That might explain why i failed every of my forge attempts so far. Obviously i did that only a few times; on dropped items. I would not have invested on what i consider a "scuffed mechanism" (aka no explanation whatsoever by the dev on how it work). In any case for me at least any attempts doesn't seam worth the investment, selling whatever nodes + the split/fractured items would have made me more profit. Seam like i'm wrong though

[@JonMidori]

Welp, if people are having too much fun with this and/or it becomes meta you know what's coming.....

[@Iomtuu]

Spent 220 divines in chance orb and scouring didnt hit it lmao i thought with average luck i would have some currency left for the rest of the gear little did i know :D i'm like 35K Chance/Scour and don't have any currency anymore

[@timmyexile8141]

Yeah, I hope no one sees this video and expects to hit in 5k tries.

[@Iomtuu]

@@timmyexile8141 And of course steelmage hit his within 1K chance lmao

[@resintestin2281]

I've sucessfully chanced 3 shields now... the first one took ~24,000 scours, second shield 22,600 scours, third shield 39k scours... and there is one very fussy shield we've failed over 110,000 scours on at this point, costing my friend and I 400 divines on scours alone, not counting chances or RSI. RIP Trash to Treasure. Buff Chance Orbs. "she's cooking" "Let her cook" "Suuureelly another 10div will hit"

[@deandevine9874]

I'm 50,000 chance orbs into mine. Best part is I was about to buy one for 200 div when this video was released. Sirgog mentioned the 1/5000 chance and I went and bought the base for 55 div and went about chancing it myself. Never again.

[@resintestin2281]

@@deandevine9874 ah yeah, we finally hit it but stopped counting after 150k chances+150k scours total from guild contribution... hopefully you're more lucky than we were!

[@KevinWatt13]

I prefer when there's a mechanic like this where you can fail and get a 70% as good one on the last step. Then I can just buy that and be happy with 150m dps instead of 200m dps while everyone else dies trying to make a perfect item.

[@kostav4448]

ive quit the league after one week of spaming 34k chance orbs. cant recommend. just buy it. trash mecanic.

[@divinityai]

quit because bad. It's on average 40k chances. So before started you should at least check the chances before going all in. You didn't. Your mistake.

[@halxyonous]

Steelmage chanced it in

[@mmrox4320]

With this video out more shields will appear in the market a d prices will drop

[@timmyexile8141]

The shield costs like 150 divines to craft. It won't drop.

[@etzool]

This... doesn't look like fun, at all, or something that adds to the game for people who just want to play the game. Seems like comments from people who've done it back that up. It's bad game design. I enjoy the videos, but like almost everyone playing this game, I'll never do it, and wouldn't even want to try given the stupid processes and mechanisms involved.

[@Senny_V]

At the same time though, this level of crafting is not necessary for 99% of the playerbase. You are still freely able to "just play the game". The ability for the upper percentiles to craft ludicrous items does not take away any playability from the majority of the playerbase