Point of No Return: Are Players Starting to REGRET their Decisions?

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Wyndham Clark and Joaquin Niemann each made very different decisions on whether or not to join LIV Golf, and although each of these players won last week, the outcomes of their wins couldn't be more different.
So this begs the question of whether some players are regretting their decision of whether to join the rival LIV Golf league, or stay on the PGA TOUR.
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@Chris54321 3 ай бұрын

Grant Horvat had Jason Day on his channel in a pro am. They were not allowed to show Jason swinging a golf club. The PGA is a dinosaur.

@JLow0111 3 ай бұрын

Grant has talked about how within minutes of posting something, the PGA tour shut down the post. PGA tour is still slaving in modern society 😅😂

@kennethmckinney2532 3 ай бұрын

Yep. I watched it yesterday and found it very weird

@alexsamain812 3 ай бұрын

Bryson and Garrett had a similar convo

@robertbrown7470 3 ай бұрын

I thought they were Independent Contractos - doesn't sound like it, does it?

@patrikdiluca1196 3 ай бұрын

I watched both, the AT&T and LIV Golf. LIV Golf is just some much more fun and entertaining.

@Gnofg 3 ай бұрын

Sports that succeed have a human element to them. Whether it is an underdog basketball team making a final four appearnce or even a Dave Wottle winning the 800 at the 1972 Olympics. This is what makes sports interesting. There is no drama of human proprtions to any Liv event. Watching rich guys who play for nothing will never garner widespread interest. Even yesterday Charlie Hoffman trying to win at 47 has a human interest element.

@JackRainfield 3 ай бұрын

@@Gnofg Well said... LIV doesn't have the same excitement as the PGA and you have hit the nail on the head.

@washredskin887 3 ай бұрын

LIV golf is for Gen Z'ers. Easily distracted, brain isn't fully developed, addicted to their phones, lives their lives through social media..

@Scubadeer28 2 ай бұрын

You do realize that humans play LIV golf right?@@Gnofg

@Gnofg 2 ай бұрын

@@Scubadeer28 questionable whether DJ and Phil are humans. I'm sure that Sergio is not a human.

@jimmyculp8756 3 ай бұрын

Never heard of Clark until last year! No way is he close 2 the #1 player in the world!

@wastefulungratfuls 3 ай бұрын

Not yet but he's not going to have much stopping him from getting there when the Official World Golf Ranking system doesn't actually include everyone... OWGR means very little these days... He played 54 holes at pebble with no cut and he received Ranking points but liv golfers don't... How does that make any sense?

@MrHobbs-lm8jn 3 ай бұрын

Shows how weak the current PGA field id

@wgsmit02 3 ай бұрын

No he isn’t, owgr is bullshit

@chaselleprice2833 3 ай бұрын

@@wastefulungratfuls They need to change the OWGR to PGA ranking as it’s definitely not world. Nick Dunlap was ranked #4129 and moved to #68 with his win yet Louie Oosthuizen and Dean Burmester both LIV golfer each won twice in December on the DP world tour and that wasn’t enough to move them inside the top 100 in the OWGR. Absolute joke.

@Gnofg 3 ай бұрын

He certainly has a chance. He went to high school with McCaffrey and was a better basketball player. He obviously is an excellent athlete so he has a chance.

@joepesce6405 3 ай бұрын

My guess is that Wyndham Clark only chose the PGAT because LIV didn’t pay him 100mil. I wouldn’t applaud him for staying for that reason. He does have a better chance to get to the top 5 since half of the top talent left for LIV

@badbackbatch 3 ай бұрын

Joaquin Niemann will play in The Open as he won the Austrailian Open in December. But that's the only invite... when you look at the Universal Golf Rankings (TUGR) you get a more accurate picture of where everyone is ranked.

@chaselleprice2833 3 ай бұрын

I agree, TUGR is a much more accurate and honest ranking system. The OWGR is heavily loaded with deep state stooges from the PGAT.

@douglaslunsford7052 3 ай бұрын

You ask why don't they go to 4 rounds. Yet there are other smaller PGA tours that only play 3 rounds and get world ranking points.

@Sueezedtight 3 ай бұрын

Thursday - Friday rounds were to ensure "similar" conditions for the cut. LIV golfers always have the same conditions during play so no need for that "extra" and mostly uninteresting round on Thursday. I watch PGA, last nine on Sunday. I watch LIV all 3 days.

@common_sense4629 3 ай бұрын

These 2 clowns explaining goggle play will be easier on a small LIV field and not going to work on the PGAT who has a bigger field, while the PGAT TV broadcast shows the same 5-10 guys throughout the whole round. PGAT shills are strong here.

@MrHobbs-lm8jn 3 ай бұрын

If Clark wins another major like the masters then he has exemptions that free him from PGA Majors are facing serious issues if they shun the best players who are LIV players then are they really a Major?

@alexsamain812 3 ай бұрын

Whoever wins the Masters also just won the golden ticket to LIV

@michaelspehar695 3 ай бұрын

Regarding playing in majors, what happens if someone wants to play in a LIV event without joining? Is there a LIV Monday qualifier?

@IamKnowbodie 3 ай бұрын

Great show. 👍

@nzmera1 3 ай бұрын

OWGR is a PGA tour ranking now. They need to scrap the OWGR and have a world ranking not run by any tour or majors. Their should be a independent body. Take the politics out the OWGR. This would bring unity, sportsmanship and world tours together. If Liv went to 4 days they still wouldn’t get OWGR points, because this is the PGA tour main weapon against Liv and the biggest reason why more players haven’t jump. This not about golf it’s politics and power.

@larryverdugo3553 3 ай бұрын

It’s not a complaint about not being in the majors like you are saying. It’s a argument like I just won against a major field but not good enough to be in a major. Just like saying all LIV guys are has beens or never weres

@brandonpelly848 3 ай бұрын

You guys hit the nail on the head with the kids part. LIV playing chess while pga playing checkers guys, been saying this all along. Look what the OWGR has been reduced to by the way. YES, the guys are sliding down the rankings right now, but look at how the OWGR is stacking the top heavy events with points now cause of the top talent all competing against each other. Now that the PGA tour thinks there "safe" with this $3 Billion($1.5 Billion initial, the other $1.5 Bil is coming later), point is. Look how fast that amateur shot up the OWGR with his lone victory. If/when the OWGR caves into the public scrutiny, because it's only going to mount, they are going to have to give points to LIV in the end. SO.....these golfers wont be down for so long in my honest opinion, Yes they are dropping but they will rise way more fast then they drop when it's all said and done. LIV has legit recent major winners, who will be competing for more majors in the future, with Jon Rahm joining, this league has been solidified in terms of guys wanting to get prepared for the majors. Brooks coming back last season and doing what he did is looking bigger and bigger by the day. Point is, if these tour player think spitting in the face of the LIV players, who I think the PIF values very high now, is going to do any good, they should think twice and be more diplomatic. These negotiation talks seem very fragile, with the DOJ looming et al, Saudi's can just see this $3 Billion as a retaliation to Rahm signing and up the contract offers of some of the biggest players in the world. LOOK who's talking for the TOUR right now, its bunch of entitled guys who has success early in their careers, they've never had to struggle with true adversity like the 150th ranked player in the world. Fowler, Spieth, Thomas, Woods, these guys care for one person only and that's themselves, that's all golfers naturally, why everyone thinks there on the same page is insanity. Money has cut these golfers off from reality.

@chaselleprice2833 3 ай бұрын

Agree, amateur Nick Dunlap went from #4129 to #68 on the first PGA event that he has ever made the cut, I think it it was his 4th or 5th attempt. There was 2 LIV golfers who both won two separate DPWT events less than 2 months ago and they are still ranked outside the top 100

@Scubadeer28 2 ай бұрын

PGA is still awesome. LIV is a lot of fun. There's room in this world for both.

@Gnofg 3 ай бұрын

@Sueezedtight 3 ай бұрын

The majors are all about tough conditions and the best field possible. Make EVERYONE qualify or invite EVERYONE (of import). The Masters is the classic example of maintaining an elite field and not diluting their legacy...

@LilGhettoBtchsThatQweef 3 ай бұрын

LIV > PGA tour

@Gnofg 3 ай бұрын

@JLow0111 3 ай бұрын

I think they need to do some sort of promotion and relegation like soccer does. Allowing players to move within tours according to how you are doing individually or as a team. I think team concept is cool, and if you add the promotion and relegation it brings a twist to the product

@williamdenton5716 3 ай бұрын

Explain to me again how Masters and US Open Champion Dustin Johnson doesnt deserve OWGR Points after fighting off a swarm of LIV players who were on the attack. Not the least of these was US Open and PGA Champion Brooks Koepka, or the red hot US Open Champion Bryson DeChambeau. The Masters and US Open Champion John Rahm lurking just 4 shots back with British Open Champion Cam Smith. Just in back of those guys were a couple of southpaw, Masters Champion Bubba Watson and Masters, PGA Champion, andOpen Champion Phil Mickelson. I honestly don't remember what the excuse was for the OWGR's failure to adjust to the new climate in Professional Golf, and the subsequent reults of that failure. Results that I contend are already being adressed by the Tournament Committee for The Masters. Remember Augusta National has proven to all of us that they possess the financial capacity and the willingness to stand alone if necessary and adjust their Tournament to assure that the viewership is awarded the best players under the most challenging conditions. They will not be humiliated or bullied. It has now become apparent that the OWGR is an unreliable method for comprising a field of the world's best players. The Membership of Golf's most hollowed grounds surely won't fail the wishes of the Great Bobby Jones by allowing an inadequate, unsuccessful method of attracting Golf's strongest field of Champions to turn The Masters into a watered down version of what it once was. Do we honestly believe that they will allow the green of that jacket to shine less bright because the field is comprised of something less than the world's best players ? The Current Tournament Committee for Augusta National is at risk of being singled out as having weakened the strength of the once great field, and diminished the reverence for the once great Championship. Legacy becomes extremely important to those with incredible multi-generational wealth. Remember these are men whose bloodlines contain the Captains of Industry, the inventors and pioneers of the worlds most powerful companies, The Titans of Global Capitol. Legacy MATTERS to these folks People. I guess that I have faith that the ruling bodies of golf will adjust their manner of their championships to accurately determine and attract the worlds best players.

@chaselleprice2833 3 ай бұрын

Didn’t realize the Masters committee was looking into a way of allowing top performing golfers into their tournament. That’s would be welcomed by most of the players and fans who appreciate quality golf. You made some valid points and really hope common sense prevails during these uncertain times.

@markclemens5066 3 ай бұрын

Liv needs to go to 72 holes to earn world ranking points

@snickerzz648 3 ай бұрын

They don’t regret it lol, just need to get ranking points

@alisonburgess345 3 ай бұрын

My take on LIV is that while golf started as a game for more introverted, serious people, as more extroverts have joined the game, they really enjoy teams, partying and noise, LIV has emerged which suits their worldview more. Serious, quiet golfers will always prefer the traditional presentation of the game. LIV has absolutely no appeal for me - there is all sorts of negative stuff around it IMO.

@sethmorales1519 3 ай бұрын

I want to know if that rip stick actually works

@1culleng 3 ай бұрын

In terms of Niemann and majors, he’s easily a top 25 player and should be there same with DJ, he’s not a 200 in the world player! Pull your head out of the sand and get real, the OWGR is incapable or not willing to rank all golfers then they need to be cast aside!

@thamesjomas 3 ай бұрын

The majors will now be referred to as “The Minors” in my humble opinion. They no longer represent the best fields in golf. The powers that be currently are actively destroying the professional golf scene as it tries to evolve. It’s actually pathetic to watch. No other sport league would behave like this. Clark is now artificially in the top 10. All of those WGR rankings are artificial. You want to talk about”legacy”? All those top WGR guys will now be viewed with an asterix, like dopers in my opinion. Let’s be honest, any golfer who knows golf for the past 10-15 years knows that the best are now on Liv. Liv will now recreate the Majors, and they will in fact be Major. Legacy……what a joke. The only legacy they are now charting for themselves is the legacy of destroying the game of golf. Listening to PGA apologists is like listening spoiled kids crying about the toy they couldn’t have. It’s laughable at this point, and the powers (WGR) are making golf a joke. Don’t be surprised when Liv changes their format to 4 days….no biggie. For those who don’t want to acknowledge this, the PGA has actually spent more time controlling and restricting PGA golfers visibility in both social media AND on TV. It’s amazing to think what they have done to the game when you really go through all the things they have done, not to the players, but to the game itself.

@billyburroo 3 ай бұрын

world number one is now only a pga tour number one not world wide number one it's just like baseball america calls it a world series when their the only country playing, now golf is the same only pga tour players can be the worlds best players because their the only tour receiving most of the points available, Joaquín Niemann is a Chilean and i'm sure that the whole nation of chile wants to see him play in majors but this won't happen because official world ranking points are just pga tour points, ur missing the whole point it dosen't need 4 days to find the best player in any sport, no cut is nothing just give points to the top finishes

@johnhope7359 3 ай бұрын

Clarke asked for $100m to go to LIV. LIV only offered him $50m, so Clarke did not join LIV. We then hear from Clarke that it is all about legacy to him - of course it is. I would also say that if I was rejected by LIV as well. The OWGR (and the majors) have long given up any pretence at impartiality. While the OWGR continue to give their tacit support to PGAT, golf is the loser. If this continues the majors will no longer be the best of the best (you can argue they are already not that). The majors will just become indistinguishable from any other PGAT event and won't mean muich anymore. The new generation coming through that don't relate to PGAT, will not care about majors. Again golf is the loser, but it would be poetic for this to happen - let the majors reap what they sow. I am always confused why not having 4 rounds seems to be a showstopper - so what that it is 3 days? Golf seems to be one of the last holdouts to innovating and changing with the times. Things that might have been important to a sport since it's inception change over time. Unfortunately the leadership of 'legacy' golf are still stuck in the past and want it to always exist that way. Sports that don't evolve tend to lose interest over time - they just don't relate to newer generations coming through. Hard to see how leadership ego's are being allowed to ruin golf for the fans.

@user-ld6uw6xx2k 3 ай бұрын

Pga has made strategic mistakes over the last 20 years. Clearly missed out on entering the 21st century, that's a fact. Players are and must remain free to play wherever and whenever they want. But a sports league is not just a business. Golf is played all over the world according to the same rules, and suddenly, to put it simply, the PIF decides that 3 rounds are enough. So if tomorrow Musk or Bezos, for example, decide that 2 rounds are enough because they pay better than the PIF, we change again. It just doesn't make sense. At some point, it's not just the guy with the most money or the guy who wants to make the most money who has to decide.

@Avidgolfer1347 3 ай бұрын

The majors won’t be the majors without the best players more to golf than the pga tour I think fans are golf are waking up to Monaghan’s monopoly worldwide tour the go

@wgsmit02 3 ай бұрын

Owgr is tearing golf to pieces

@mineshjogia9945 3 ай бұрын

LIV should add more teams, they could have up to 26 teams of 4. Stagger tee offs on each hole as there will be two groups off each tee. This way they can keep the shotgun and everything else the same and have all 104 players on course at same time. Extend it to 4 days, have a cut down to top 13 teams & say top 40 in the singles. This would also allow for more players to be cut each year and more new ones added each year. And if they really want to go all out, play events at sites where there are two 18 holes courses, add 26 teams for the ladies as well, rotate them across the courses first two days, then cut. Last two days would top 10 men and women's teams plus the few who managed to make the singles cut.

@glenwood9190 2 ай бұрын

Honestly, have you ever played a game of golf. 104 players shotgun start. Just explain how you could even think that is going to work. Don’t bother it just can’t. Even putting that ridiculous suggestion aside you do know what LIV stands for. 54. 18 groups of 3, one on each hole for a shot gun start.

@jasoncaetanogolf 3 ай бұрын

You guys are too pro.pga and anti liv so your points are one sided LIV is great pga is boring product

@robl7559 3 ай бұрын

If I was DEAD serious on beating or matching Tiger's or Jack's records I'd stay in the PGA.... Otherwise if I could... I would GO play LIV.

@coobay4786 3 ай бұрын

Theirs no one out there at this time in history that could even come close to Tiger and Jack's major wins.

@DK-yj1ez 3 ай бұрын

@@coobay4786Au contraire... This is the best time to stay in PGAT, if your aim is to overtake Jack's and Tiger's haul of Majors. All the best players are at LIV, and they are being held back from playing at the Majors. Hence, there is no better time to win majors than now. 🤷

@coobay4786 3 ай бұрын

@@DK-yj1ez excellent point but I still think those records are safe during our lifetime.

@chaselleprice2833 3 ай бұрын

@@DK-yj1ez I see your point. Bottom line is that golfers want to know they beat the best field and realizing that many of the best golfers out there are being singled out due to PGAT politics is beyond outrageous.

@jimmyculp8756 3 ай бұрын

PGA tour thinks they OWN everthing related 2 their playing members! THIS is the main reason pga pro are going 2 LIV,, and the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

@jaydenandfriends878 3 ай бұрын

Did PGA Tour Players get OWGR points for the 54 holes they played at Pebble Beach? If so…

@myles5868 3 ай бұрын

That's totally different though. It WAS a four-day tournament but the weather caused it to be a 3 round. It's not like they planned to do only three days, they literally had no choice.

@hlamuc 3 ай бұрын

If it stays like this with the OGWR the majors get a big problem in two to three years

@calross7143 3 ай бұрын

Think the players regretting their decisions are the ones left in the PGA...playing in average fields week after week...and seeing a deal made and the top players (including a has-been in sickbay) getting the biggest share of that money (some would have declined more money from LIV and will be pissed off). Golf fans and followers know the OWGR rankings isn't worth the paper (screen) it's written on... And more players on the PGA than not will realize legacy doesn't put money in your pocket or food on your table for your family, time for your family etc.... Soon the TV bosses will have to answer to their shareholders why they are not televising golf tournaments with weak to average fields and not golf events with the strong fields in every event featuring Major winners in more than half of the pairings...? And the same goes for the Majors...if they keep ignoring LIV players and they don't invite them, their importance will fade and they stand a chance to become just another elevated PGA event...not a championship where the best of the best compete against each other. So, the big losers will be PGA and the Majors...

@Sueezedtight 3 ай бұрын

So, next year, Jon Rahm will be about # 27 in the OWGR? Talk about irrelevant. Not only points for LIV individual results but also team member points when they contribute to a victory. Performance within a field is the only criterion that matters. Are PGA getting fewer points because of the weaker fields? See what I mean about irrelevant?

@Jeff_Edwards 3 ай бұрын

Data Golf ranks everyone regardless of Tour. LIV has 17 of the top 100. PGA has more talent but less personality.

@wgsmit02 3 ай бұрын

The fact that pga players got owgr points for 54 holes is disgusting

@Greatwhiteshark67 3 ай бұрын

Only Americans grow up wanting to win PGA tour events. The rest grow up wanting to win majors.

@scottwilliamrichards3307 3 ай бұрын

If the PGA gives world rankings points for the pebble beach then tournament for 56 holes played they're a joke 72 holes or no points, or points for LIV.

@michaelspehar695 3 ай бұрын

In the PGA, you are a golfer because you've earned a card. Anyone can try to earn the card. In LIV, you are a golfer only if they decide to pay you to play.

@nzmera1 3 ай бұрын

Wrong their a relegation system and they had a promotion event last year to earn your way onto the league. The top 3 players at that event earn their spot on Liv.

@michaelspehar695 3 ай бұрын

So, did they issue LIV cards or what? @@nzmera1

@jsiemering68 3 ай бұрын

LIV goes to four rounds with a field of 60 to 72 players. They can still complete the round in five hours. Only half the field gets OWGR points. LIV did have relegation and promotion this past year with the bottom four being relegated and three promoted from a Dec tour qualifier. The top Asian Tour winner was the last qualifier. LIV will probably have to have a greater percentage of players relegated each year to like 10+ each year. I would love to see a Monday qualifier for each LIV event to generate more interest. The site datagolf does a much better job ranking the players which include the LIV events.

@glenwood9190 2 ай бұрын

Hey genius explain how you have a shot gun start with 60 players, let alone 72