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Point Shooting is often misunderstood, and applied incorrectly. In this video, Reid addresses the fallacies of point shooting, as well as myths regarding its benefits.

[@ouch65]

"The truth is, they want to ban every gun in America. It's just not politically savvy to admit it. So they try to achieve their goals one gun and one accessory at a time." -Veteran U.S. Navy SEAL Dom Raso

[@craigdamage]

Sorry but that is 100% untrue. Democrats don't really at the end of the day give a shit if any of their gun bills get passed or not. They only want delusional liberals to vote for them. Democrats are just as happy when they get defeated in the manufactured "gun debate" because they can harvest just as much support when they blame the other side for every single shooting that occurs. Democrats invented the lie: GUNS CAUSE VIOLENCE and then immediately manufactured a second lie: GUN CONTROL STOPS VIOLENCE so as to lure liberals into supporting them. This is motherfucking politics boys and girls and the motherfucking GOP does the exact same goddamned thing with other bullshit manufactured issues. We are ALL suckers and being played by both fucking sides. period.

[@marcspade_pipes]

@@craigdamage So it's still true then?

[@craigdamage]

@@marcspade_pipes Indeed. What has changed in 9 months since I left the initial comment here? Even Bill "super liberal" Maher has recently said on his HBO show that "Democrats and liberals should abandon their gun narrative" and he went on to admit "liberals don't know anything about guns" All BS "debates" and political "issues" are designed to self perpetuate and NEVER be resolved so that lying politicians can harvest votes from it. the end.

[@thealsatian4232]

“What doesn’t take too long is missing.” Very good.

[@bernieeod57]

Wyatt Earp had a proverb: “Take your time but do it quickly” Take that extra 10th of a second to acquire the sight

[@andrewyork3869]

Spörde Spyrdenstein slow is smooth

[@parapearce3129]

If you train to find your sights , you will find your sights automatically.

[@crforfreedom7407]

That's the problem. Most people don't train. I know LEOs taught point shooting, may still do. The main reason I think is because they DON'T PRACTICE. Most only shoot when the qualify; once a quarter, once every six months or so. Otherwise, they don't touch their sidearm. Can't learn sight acquisition with that low level of training. Most avg. citizens do even less. Much less. Try and get the avg. CCW license seeker to take more than a basic, rec. range class for an Ohio CCW. Can't. Now especially that they lowered the time requirement to 8 hrs to accommodate NRA's Basic Pistol class. I always taught 1st steps and PPH when the requirement was 12 hrs, but I don't teach anymore, cause I can't get people to do any more than the minimum for the most part. And I won't send people out on the street with only rec. range shooting skills. Like giving a 16yo his temps then telling him to go race Daytona. Insane.....

[@ronstrzelczyk789]

Reid; I have been using point shooting in my training for around 40 years. I have kept an open mind to various technique's (flash sight picture etc.). I cannot argue with any of your talking points,but I would add "point while you are looking for the front sight". Use everything you know,and can do to win the fight ! I believe the correct words in Wyatt Earp's proverb was "hurry up,and take your time !"

[@bernieeod57]

“Blessed is the man who, in the face of mortal danger thinks only of the front sight”. The Late Col. Cooper

[@RantzBizGroup]

Non better than Cooper!

[@bernieeod57]

So say todays 9MM squirt gunners. You have no example of where todays squirt gunners prevailed where Coopers ways would have failed. What we have today are spray gunners who hose off 15 rounds at a threat as close as 3 feet away, only hit 3-4 of those 15, hit up to 9 innocents, and declare it as an example to the importance of magazine capacity. Quite to the contrary, Coopers principles stand. It is the "post modern technique" Which claims success in failure

[@bernieeod57]

Aaron Actual shootings say otherwise. A lot of rounds sprayed, few hits, innocents hit, and claims magazine capacity is everything

[@bernieeod57]

Aaron The major caliber pistol has a 170+ year track record. The high capacity minor calibers legacy is a lot of rounds fired, few hits, and more innocents shot

[@bernieeod57]

Aaron The entire selling point of the high capacity 9 is that training is not needed. Volume fire rules the day. When the FBI re adopted the 9, they actually declared they needed the extra magazine capacity in order to compensate for Law Enforcements 80 miss rate

[@kenrobba5831]

I like your enthusiasm ! The pistola was not invented for a common subject of the realm; the first pistoleros were first practiced fencing duelist. They didn’t gesture a “point” they were to drive the POINT into the opponent. The history is a little further back than you’re considering. Hits count !

[@warriorcaste4304]

This is why I mounted a 10x leupold on my G43 and mounted XS Big Dot sights onto my leupold. It's perfect!

[@ianhall4434]

In the competition world there's an term called natural point of aim. It's simple stuff but it helps a lot if you don't do it. Stand how you normally would shooting, look at something (be safe and don't use a loaded gun of course), close your eyes and put your gun up as if you were getting ready to shoot and open your eyes. It should be pretty close to exactly where you want to shoot. Adjust your stance (angle, whatever) as necessary to do better. It really helps to line up those sights on target much faster, and I'd have to assume if you point shoot it would increase your success even more. Getting the right stance for natural point of aim will make shooting accurately easier, and will tighten your groups.

[@MThrow]

I was a 1/6 Marine from '77-'83, and I've carried concealed for 30+ years now. In whatever encounter I have been in, I've always found my front sight with no problem.

[@williamvailati2044]

Reid nice job explaining i do both and have found it only comes with practice practice practice then more practice repetition is the only answer !!! that solves the alignment situation !! then that front sight is the go light to punch that credit when needed with confidence !!! well stated Reid !!! semper Fi

[@Z0mb3hHunt3r]

I used my sights. I got a perfect sight picture immediately and engaged the threat, I won too. BG was trying to point shoot and didn't hit me. Soon as I drew all I saw was front sight and the rear popped up right under it, that sight picture was superimposed over the BG and the tagging began. This all happened in an instant. If you train to use your sights you will use them, I drew on a drawn gun...stupidly, and prevailed by immediately using my sights.

[@raynorman4315]

Reid, Thank You for All You Do!! We Appreciate It!

[@walterlewis7988]

I would like to add that training to see the front sight is the basis for rapid point shooting.Thousands of reps will lead to natural alignment under stress.Your eyes see the target and your sights press out naturally aligned.Training with guns that point the same(same platform) is an important part of this process.Whether its Sig,Glock, or S&W,the different sized(purpose) handguns will point similarly within the product line(naturally with training)and rapid shooting accuracy will be enhanced at mid to longer handgun distances with (preferably) or even without finding that front sight under stress.Thank you for making these instructional and educational(history etc) videos.Youre an excellent teacher and Im a fan.Peace through strength.

[@charles16295]

And that folks is why I will be back to the Ridge for some sound training! Great stuff as always Reid!

[@casinbound5894]

I have always thought that point shooting, in a modern context, applied more to rifle/carbine iron sights in a CQB environment. For example breaching an Afghani mud house with an iron-sighted M16 in 2002. Red dot sights have made point shooting almost useless so this problem has largely gone away. I don't think I have ever experienced a problem with handguns, the sights are just there when I lift it up.

[@mtsfitness]

In reference to using sights under stress. As an LEO, I have found that simunitions training is really beneficial when practicing shooting under stress at a target attacking you. It certainly can be done but that type of training can really be helpful. Thanks Reid for all of your videos.

[@Nutkrkr]

Love it; going to try and come train at the Ridge as soon as i am able

[@Nutkrkr]

Right now i cannot even stand for a minutes unsupported. Had medical emergency lost lot of intestine and 80% of my stomach. I am down 170 lbs but not the way you want to do it. On the path back to good health. Then training.

[@Nutkrkr]

No worries.

[@jameskradel7443]

Good lesson about point shooting, good job Ried. I totally agree.

[@Price1861]

That settles it... I have to get me a class scheduled with Reid! The man is a wealth of knowledge.

[@reddotshooters]

Thanks for your insight Reid

[@bobtyor69]

I know point shooting works and works well at least in the right situation. As Leo traning we were thought to use it at extrimly close range normally one handed while the off hand was "blocking a blow" from the target. Frome touch distance to about 4 feet back. The way we were tought you never arranged you arm weather.

[@praack4563]

always impressed right away you mentioned Applegate and the correct way point shooting was trained " back in the day". also the correct reasons why point shooting fell from favor.

[@randymitchell2036]

What many people also fail to realize is that Applegate, Fairbairn, Sykes, O'Neill, etc were trying to train hundreds if not thousands of troops very quickly. They were at war. They didn't have time to develop a highly skilled tactical shooter like a CAG or DEVGRU operator. Also, they were training with minimal ammo consumption. Most shooters only shot a couple of hundred rounds in training before deploying to active war zones. Not that they weren't effective, brave, or competent, but they were competent enough for the time and the opponents they were facing.

[@mackgreer3659]

No Second Place Winner by William Jordan gives a much different view on this. He did in fact call for unsighted fire at conversational distances. Although he was in fact a gunfighter I suspect he was also gifted with incredible physical gifts. Also read about "Jelly Belly" Briece

[@Reloader826]

PLEASE keep up the Great Info . Thank you for the Videos .

[@MandenTV]

When you can no longer vote with your pen, you must vote with your rifle. Thoughts on this phrase?

[@fivex4756]

Sometimes our votes must be defended with our rifles . Remember Athens Tennessee .

[@johndaley9559]

I love these videos!!! So informative!!!

[@Spider-Too-Too]

It’s funny that I was talk to friends about this. We were talking about when it is in a shooting situation, When there are multiple people downrange, you have to find out which person is the threat, you have to put focus on the threat because of the complicated situation. Then, a flash sight picture it is

[@CharlieJulietSierra]

This is a great video! Well articulated.

[@fmbfla]

Hank Strange got his channel back!!! YAHO

[@Hardrock4040]

no complaints here, good content. After 6 years of self defence videos where citizens get ambushed, I've noticed maybe 1 of 10 get two hands on the gun, most have already been attacked and have one arm in the fight. With that you can't extend your arm, get a good two handed grip or look at the sights. If you have time to draw without risk of fighting over the gun, you have to get a round on target. If you miss you will be in a struggle to keep your gun. Most have been target shooting 30 + years, me 50. Now I carry so I practice firing as soon as the gun clears the holster. If there is distance, great I can take time to use the sights, more distance, maybe I can run for cover. I think it is imperative to learn to draw and shoot in arms reach as everything has went to crap. Give me 2 seconds, and I'll surly sight the target the way we learned as kids. Range days are for sights out to 50 +yards. Practice all but fast draw from the hip seems more practical now in 2023.

[@joshalvens7418]

I find myself point shooting for my first shot and picking up my sights on the recoil. But like you said that’s only up close and when I’m trying to run it fast.

[@MrJeffrop]

Great video and congrats on 100k subscribers!

[@timwhalen4485]

You have a very good channel, enjoy the content very much..keep up the good work.

[@Christob13]

With my old eyes, I can't bring the front sight into focus, but I can see past it. I point shoot and am 96% Accurate. When I go slow and use the sights, I get the same accuracy...works for me, but if you can see the front sight, use it.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Good coverage and well presented information - Thanks Reid! Do you folks cover shooting techniques for non-adjustable revolvers?

[@ritesideofthefence5857]

As usual good stuff brother ! Thanks for sharing.

[@Lonzo993]

Congratulations on the hundred thousand Subs Reid.

[@FunWithGuns]

Naturally if you point at something you point right at it. When you aim your gun it's an extension of you. You naturally point on a target. Of course this won't work at longer distances. Most folks aren't trained enough to aim. If someone's within 10 feet point shooting will work and is faster. Heard a lot of guys from war say they didn't use their sites a lot with pistols. Good training goes a long way. I'm not an incredible shot, but if I don't have time bc someone is too close I am going to point shoot and try to create distance.

[@sarahwatson7692]

Fun With Guns So called point shooting is NOT faster and is much less accurate.

[@PHOBOS300]

@Reid Henrichs the human eye can see far better than 20-30 frames a second, where that comes from is the refresh rate on TVs and monitors, although now in competitive gaming they are moving to 120Hz monitors to get a faster frame rate, which in turn allowed them to react faster there have been test that people can react to visual stimuli in less than 1ms (0.001 of a second) which corespondents to 1000 frames a second so basically if you cant see your sights it's probably not because your eyes are too slow, its because of lack of practice

[@servingchrist8894]

Congrats on 100k subscribers! !

[@poncho12335]

Excellent information!

[@910Bandit]

100K KZbin coming soon to Reid Henrichs!! Congratulations bro

[@chadkampster7425]

Great video Reid

[@bobtyor69]

In 94 they still tought point shooting. But really for contact to 1.5 yds. Where you could not bring the gun up to see the sights or were using the off hand to block your attacker.

[@larrybaker9464]

Well said and good points and for the most I agree. A little easily said. Little more difficult for aged eyes that have troubled finding the front site

[@hopscotch1019]

Dear 2nd Amendment, you have been a good friend, and will be missed by many. Thanks for everything you did for us, sorry we let you down.

[@reliablethreat23]

The 2nd Amendment isn't going anywhere.

[@YotaDaryl]

Outstanding as always. Factual.

[@Unit38]

Excellent video.

[@YorktownUSA]

Congratulations on reaching 100k! :)

[@dwightmcclure9843]

Made me think and understand my myths. Thought I was pretty good point shooter with a wheelgun inside 7 yards. Am not, use that front post because of Daddys rule no finger on trigger till post crosses target. Also realize that my real slow point is backstop. Understanding where that bullet is going. This reaction has slowed down with age. Mid 60s and I do not see as clearly or move as quickly , regular range time drew this fact to my attention. Age gave me one advantage and that is understanding condition yellow & creating space while communicating my perceptions to reasonable people.

[@jamesjanssen2378]

Good advice !. There is however the possibility of extremely close range , when the target is in your face . In that scenario you never extend the weapon because it can be slapped out of your hand, you may be disarmed ect ect . In that case there are drills for that scenario. I have practiced that . I would like to see your take on that . Thanks !

[@Wootangtw]

Thanks for your videos buddy....

[@checkmate610]

Well-said, thank you.

[@jbgant8513]

Great video!

[@fakebrake]

Great info!

[@johnniwave6464]

Congratulations for 100k subs. Respect from México guys

[@cbigg81]

Thanks Reid!

[@hawkgeoff]

Just a learned opinion... There is a time and place for point shooting, but that's when you don't have space to extend. Use your sights, but don't get married to "front sight focus". You do not know if you'll get tunnel. I didn't think I would... I've fired in excess of 70,000 rounds in training/ competing. I learned that tunnel vision is a real thing the first day I ran scenarios with sim. My first ever shoot/ no shoot scenario...after years of training with front sight focus and I did NOT have a front sight focus. My focus was on the BG and if he was armed. I did however see a balanced three dot blur on the BGs chest as firing (as the BG was drawing his gun I had HIM in perfect focus...lol). In my opinion, from my experience, you need to see your sights and recognize what they are telling you, but you do NOT need a crystal clear focus on the front sight. (given a scenario inside about 15yds) Where were the shots? An inch apart upper A zone hits. Take a class with simunitions... you may learn things about your personal reactions and if you can do what you think you can do. Even then you wont really know until... stay safe and train for everything you can envision.

[@robbillpries6198]

Man I so want to take a class of yours!

[@tidedownoutdoors5411]

Good stuff! Inside of 7 yards, Flash sight technique is almost fool proof with enough practice, in regards to center mass anyway.

[@Nnip9]

Excellent when I first watched this. Still excellent.

[@DeCavalcante]

Hes right about repetition. Ive noticed when i draw I'm automatically lined up. One issue I've noticed is when I use a gun that's angled different. Say a glock, when I draw a glock im not lined up automatically. The barrel is tilted some. I think this is because I train with my sig so much. I can correct the glock tilt but I'm not as fast. I bet its the same for some people who just train with glocks. I can hit with any gun but its just something I've noticed myself doing with fast draw.

[@sarahwatson7692]

I tell advocates of point shooting that all shooting is point shooting. You point the gun at the target and shoot! Few people have ever been able to do true point shooting-Ed McGivern among them.

[@WitchyWagonReal]

One thing that is missed about "point shooting" is that-- not all pistols and hands point the same. For example, I have two pistols that will more often than not impact if I "point shoot" without sighting.... but two others that will shoot low and high, respectively. And, I am sure that each of these sidearms will perform slightly different in other people's hands. Therefore, IF you discover that a particular pistol is reasonably accurate by "point shooting" it, for you and your hands... then at best, this "point shooting" bonus feature is simply another technique or tool to add to your knowledge, in special circumstances if necessary, albeit a marginal one. As Reid says though, "point shooting" though it may happen naturally, never substitutes for deliberate solid sight picture aiming.

[@timwhalen4485]

Have competed against point shooters, they were excellent. Have used both sight and point shooting...I prefer sight but have friends that outgun me point shooting

[@thebaddest2562]

Bout to hit 100k congrats

[@TheLastQil]

Preach it Reid. What do you think of front sight focus vs. threat focus? I used to be of the mind to focus my vision on the front sight, but after playing with threat focus I found I shoot better and can make consistent head shots at 25yds. Why do I seem to shoot better through threat focus?

[@firearmstrainingcentral7438]

It’s not whether you have time, it’s whether or not you need them.

[@garybryant7274]

I dabbled with point shooting but when I discovered big dot sights I never looked back. Fairbairn is one of my Idols and to be fair to him, he removed the sights from his 45. He was also involved in 675 shoot outs in his career.

[@ReidHenrichs]

You ought to look up what his involvement was. Being on scene isn't the same as pressing the trigger.

[@Dakotah7272]

A little off topic, but what’s the best non corrosive 545 ammo(s) you suggest to use? For example Is the wolf ammo have good accuracy? Thanks for anyone with the help

[@hossguy3119]

Good video. Reid are you still using XS big dot sights on your pistol? Semper Fi!

[@frankbutta9344]

Hi Reid, At the end, it sounds like your saying point, and then verify with sights. A combo of both, but done very quickly? Jelly Bryce was a cool dude!

[@ReidHenrichs]

Well, you do have to point the pistol at the target to hit it. In practice, use your sights and the pistol seems to do exactly what it is supposed to do. When people do not verify with their sights, they miss, even at 3 yards.

[@TriggaPleas]

What about the method where you point along the bore with index and use you middle finger for the trigger? I read somewhere that humans have the ability to point accurately with the index finger, cant remember the distance but I feel like 20m is a accurate to conservative guess.

[@Mockturtlesoup1]

I was actually going to take a pistol class up here in CT that one of my friends wanted me to take with him, but when I looked on the website I found out that they teach point shooting only(or at least primarily, I can't recall which.)at the time, that didn't sound quite right, and I decided not to take the class because A. I didn't want to potentially waste the money on something I didn't know would help me, and B. I didn't want to develop any bad habits.Reid, do you think taking a class like could be beneficial as sort of a supplement to "normal" pistol classes, provided the information is taken with a grain of salt and not as a replacement for sighted fire, or do you think it would be a waste of time and money, and potentially even harmful?like, is the ability to "point shoot" a good skill to have, or is one better of spending that training and practice time on other things?thanks as always for the vids.

[@everythingdefensivecarry1108]

Hello Reid. What is your assessment of “ threat focused shooting?”

[@sargemanaustin]

you absolutely see your sights in a gunfight anyone that suggests otherwise has never been in one

[@jdo2574]

I have never been in a gun fight. I have had force on force training and only when I was asked after, did I realize what I was doing and it was not intentional. I did not look at my sights in any scenario that I remember or if I did, I do not recall ever doing so. Fear of getting shot caused me to fire ASAP, once I knew the scenario was going sideways. Just my 2 cents and is worth what you paid. Also for those considering force on force, yes it hurts alot and seven months later I still have skin discoloration from the skin tears that those rounds cause. So wear more than a tee shirt even if the instructor tells you that's all you need. Like a hoodie turned backwards to protect your neck.

[@carloparisi9945]

Well, yes, the historical context is relevant here. I've practiced both the Applegate and the Weston styles, back when they were developed, the notion that you didn't wait for the sights was imparted because those sights were terrible and it took a life to see them. Nowdays, I can use iether style, I'll see the sights and it's not like I need to unsee them, both work BETTER with sights. I still practice a lot one handed, though, I don't think it's wrong and in some cases I do better with only one hand than with two.

[@AnotherOverTaxedTaxPayer]

Thanks Reid.

[@CorneliusFahey]

Stress Fire technique....Massad Ayoob worth checking out.

[@professorbland]

i noticed having a laser on your pistol helps a lot with point shooting without having eyes on sights...

[@dalemyers5096]

I've used point shooting for quite a while. I used my shotgun the first time I used it as a teen, bird hunting. The last rime was at a sporting clay match, 5 station, it was a pop up flying land. But I had forgotten that this would happen,till the last moment. Then I thought and said oh sh-t, boom, in the nic of time, about 3 foot foot off the ground.

[@jakeanna3174]

Good points I agree practice makes perfect

[@steelshrapnel9900]

If you practice practice practice fundamentals until muscle memory developed “Front Sight” is all you need..! Sorry, shot competitively for years and out to 35 yards on IPSC target “Front Sight” is all I’ve every used for A-zone hits..!

[@raymundocastillo9933]

Reid I know you’re a fan of the trijicon hd sights. What do you think about the newer xr sights? I want to order sights for my g19 but I’m not sure which of these 2 sights to go with.

[@anthonygalluze6972]

What do you think of red dot's on pistols?

[@jeremystewert4303]

He should let Instructor Zero teach him how to point shoot. Shoot how you want, but at 4 yards or less, you don't have the luxury of aiming.

[@esotericed8736]

How did you get into firearms training?, how did you get clients at first?.

[@austinganey684]

What sights do you have?

[@reliablethreat23]

I'm no expert but let's be honest, in a sudden life and death situation NO ONE focuses on the sights. It's point and shoot. Especially when in a self-defense situation when the threat is at an average range of 5-10 yards (confrontational distance).

[@aidengonzalez615]

When my dad was operational in the 80s and 90s, they did a lot of instinct shooting. They would train by allowing teammates and visiting dignitaries to be hostages, and would do live-fire drills with instinctual shooting. Of course, most civilians probably don’t need that kind of training.

[@FXIIBeaver]

Aiden Gonzalez why shouldn't we have that training?

[@aidengonzalez615]

FXIIBeaver I never said you shouldn't have it. I just said most civilians will never be put in a situation where they would need it. If you can find a place that allows humans to be hostages in that kind of situation, have at it.

[@jacobwhittaker6241]

Human eye can see faster than that. I notice a difference all the way up to 120 frames per second. The old 20-30 fps statement comes from movies which use motion blur so we don't notice the low fps. But eh human eye can defiantly see faster than that. Some jet fighters can see up to 240fps.

[@1221vito]

There's some videos of Taran Butler and Bob Vogel shooting together...it pretty much demonstrates what you're saying here. Taran was a little bit faster point shooting on the first shot and the closer, larger targets...Vogel was faster and more accurate overall on the plate rack using his sights.

[@jbr1074]

Reid- Your thoughts on XS big dots?

[@MrLucifershydrogen]

I have an old 32 revolver that has no sights. It took some time but point shooting at 5 yards eventually became accurate.

[@WPYR1]

Point Shooting is just as important as aiming. For example if you walk in a Bar and you getting attacked by 2 or 3 guys with knifes at close range, anywhere from 4 to 8 ft, you better know how to point shoot.

[@whzzmann99]

please remember this people...you dont always have to kill them

[@karldisney6133]

Reid, this was awesome, and I hate to be " that guy". But watching Bob Mundin in action it appears he didn't always use his sights. I think the difference is the amount of practice one can afford. Would love to know it Jerry Michilek ever uses " point shooting"

[@LVLouisCyphre]

I follow and respect you. A point that I need to make here is that aiming won't make a damn bit of difference if you don't have proper fire (trigger) control in place. I agree strongly with Rob Leatham in the Funker Tactical video titled "Why Aiming Is Useless" ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/opqTo3qqjc1laas ) that you must master fire (trigger) control before everything else. That's how I teach my students. They should be able to master shooting a handgun at 5 to 7 yards without using the sights and keeping the pistol as motionless as possible while pulling the trigger. Using Rob Leatham's technique has made me and my students better shooter; one of my students being my disabled exwife who only has partial use of her left hand; she loves her SIG-Sauer P250C. Fire (trigger) control first then aiming. I use the manual transmission vehicle analogy. If you haven't mastered the operation and feel of the clutch, you're not going anywhere. Motorcyclists understand greatly what I'm talking about. The same thing with the trigger with respect to shooting. I'm a DA(O) hammer fired pistol and revolver aficionado. I've never have been crazy about striker fire pistols since I started shooting back in 1992. My disdain for striker fire pistols is at the point to where I won't teach a new shooter to shoot a Glock. I will qualify Glock shooters for their CCW or LEOSA/HR218 but as for taking a new shooter out I teach them on one of my SIG-Sauer P250s. I have the same disdain for the Glock as MAC (Military Arms Channel) has for the .40 S&W. If I ever take classes at Valor Ridge, it will be with one of my SIG-Sauer P250s ; the hammer fired DAO older brother of the P320.