POISON - Deathtouch alternative win condition | MTG Arena Standard Deck Guide [Kaldheim]

[@AbsurdHeroine]

Still trying to find that mic sweet spot. Now the gate is too quiet and cuts my words off. I promise I shall not rest until I find it!

[@lifeisawesome1391]

I've been playing poison on the ladder with ok success. I hadn't thought of gem razer. It is a nice addition to trample in that last poison counter! I also run blightfangs as an alternative wincon.

[@Lightmane]

Hi. Just wanted you to know I built almost the exact same deck here and tried it out for a couple games. First game I won very easily by killing everything he played and Binding put Fynn out and it was over quick, as I attacked with 4 deathtouchers, after they already had 2 poison counters. Second game was more difficult, as he played a Skyclave and later a Banishing Light and 1 Ominous Sea early, but Gemrazer took care of Ominous Sea and Blizzard took care of Skyclave and I just beat them down to zero life with only 3 lands in play, as Binding, once more, brought Fynn back. Yeah, this deck is ridiculous, lol.

[@abusybeebuzzbuzz2423]

"This is a Runes deck. Oh my god, I'm so happy! But you're dead. You are SOOOO dead." LOL

[@endlesstidesofphyrexia4357]

Rune Of Mortality on Toski is hilarious. I run that little combo in my version. But I wouldn't know what to cut in your version...

[@jerodast]

It's an nonbo for all but one card in the deck since they all already have deathtouch :) You'd have to use more Toskis to justify putting in even one Rune, which means even more cuts...tough fit.

[@jorgamund07]

I make a Deathtouch tribal deck in every set, the poison mechanic is great. Also Toski is surprisingly great in a bunch of green/golgari decks. I have a Garruk Trample deck with Garruk's Uprising to give all creatures Trample, letting me get huge card draw even when getting chump blocked.

[@bullshifterz]

Only just found this channel and it's so underrated. I have tried out a few of your builds and the decks are great. Keep up the good work!

[@LesHistoiresMagiques7]

I'm a master at denying Ugin's existence: I scoop and move on to the next game long before the opponent activates its abilities. He doesn't get to activate anything and I pretend it doesn't even exist. Very efficient :-D

[@bodhemon]

Love it. I have a version too, I like the gemrazer addition.

[@ShiivaWilding]

I'm playing a similar deck in historic which runs Collected Company and Ochran Assassin to force the poison through unblocked. I'd love it if you could do a follow-up to this video with a historic build of your own, so much more to work with and waaaaaaaay more jank potential!

[@catherineduncan7206]

16:xx "Now we're going to go in and make the magic happen" ;D good pun

[@AngelCrea7er]

That Ugin is super broken.

[@Chompadour]

A non-rogues poison deck? I'm in!

[@BouncingTribbles]

Hooded blightfang is great against Ugin. 4t and deathtouch: planeswalkers

[@themcons50]

worked a 3 pack of Hooded blightfangs into this deck for the lifegain and to slow attackers working it's real well. .... Thanks for this deck idea!!! ...win or lose this deck is SOOOO much fun to tinker with!!!

[@peterrobertson5559]

I have made my deck based on yours just a few changes since I don't have all the rare cards to obtain all the cards you list. I enjoy playing it in Arena, thanks.

[@peterrobertson5559]

Thanks for sharing this deck on KZbin. I really like it. It does have potential.

[@demonicell]

My favorite new deck. I love it. It wins a lot. I'm enjoying watching your spin on the theme. Blizzard Brawl is a good idea. Don't have that one.

[@bodhemon]

Blizzard brawl is crucial for this deck. I run 4 in my version. Winrate is about 77% over 40+ games.

[@demonicell]

@@bodhemon I've been winning at about that rate without it. But, I see the awesomeness it could provide.

[@bodhemon]

@@demonicell got a link to your deck list?

[@demonicell]

@@bodhemon I've added a couple of the pathways at this point. aetherhub.com/Deck/poison-432319

[@bodhemon]

@@demonicell thanks I'm checking it out!

[@eliovale8762]

Thinking in blackLance paragon, I play with the card a lot and it was awesome, as removel and life gain, the flash is something else...

[@epilef120]

As I am using an Ugin profile pic, seeing your observation around 14:15 , kinda makes sense and I hadn't realized that. Although i wouldn't call my favorite deck as control, it does have Ugin so there is that. Nice video! \o/ a little hint for what might be coming next?

[@AbsurdHeroine]

I can't foretell that.

[@ropadope1452]

Yes I made a similar deck immediately when I saw poison counters! Love it!

[@jsniderhan]

Woodland Chasm is a snow covered dual land. although it does come in tapped

[@Chyll07]

There are dual snow lands, I'm running them in my version of this. They enter tapped, but the added fixing is nice at times.

[@AbsurdHeroine]

That's the only reason I didn't put those in here. I wanted to sooo bad, but the early game is so important that I couldn't bring myself to do it.

[@Chyll07]

@@AbsurdHeroine A fine decision. You just didn't mention them, so wanted to be sure you had not over looked them. Also, the haste on Vengeful Reaper is soooo nice to surprise folks. I use it over Scavenger for flying. (that is a full 4, to be clear.)

[@silentgrove7670]

I have tried versions of this also. I like the idea of Tosci I have a fondness for Legendary fauna in general.

[@RareCandyFund]

At 30:25 if after attacks you use the ram through and deal an extra point of damage to the player would that have given them 2 additional poison counters and win the game? Not sure if posion counters trigger off of damage from Ram Through

[@RareCandyFund]

Ah I see they maybe could have killed the hawk with Erbos

[@AbsurdHeroine]

Poison counters only apply when dealing combat damage, unfortunately.

[@HigherMammal]

That girl is POISONNNNNN

[@LizardWizard01]

I have a similar deck but have Chevill x 2 and Hooded Blightfang x 4

[@2MeterLP]

I feel like Chevill deserves to go x3, its a much better two drop than mire triton, as the card draw is super valuable.

[@MomirVic]

Bloodcheif helps with ugin. I'm playing a historic build right now because I feel it's more consistent being able to use coco and proliferate but I like this build too.

[@lifeisawesome1391]

Do you think one copy of Vorcinclex can help? Maybe it is too expensive but if the game goes long it is a hell of a top deck.

[@AbsurdHeroine]

I mean, when does a Vorinclex *not* help?

[@andreamarkle6386]

If you have both nine lives and vorniclex, what happens?

[@AbsurdHeroine]

@@andreamarkle6386 I believe it makes Nine Lives tick up twice as fast, which is bad. Vorinclex says if *you* would put counters on a thing, double that, and you are the one placing counters on Nine Lives.

[@devinanderson8020]

Another excellent video! I know the song is copyrighted but “Poison” by Bell Biv DeVoe would be perfect for this deck :D

[@jerodast]

Okay well now I gotta watch that Scrubs clip again :) But yeah. Is a 30 second snippet fair use? Maybe not if it's not actually parodying the song... I'll edit it in in my head.

[@MajorFletch]

I made a party version of fynn with zagras and embercleave some Changlings and the flying deathtouch haste angel I can’t remember name of. You should try it 🧡

[@AbsurdHeroine]

That does sound spicy. Drop it off in the Discord!

[@bodhemon]

I tried a 3 color version with sneaking guide and zagras, and couldn't get it to work right.

[@pedroalcaraz-perea9487]

This deck is fire 🔥 there is not that many firststrike creatures. So everything you have goes to the graveyard and comes back with binding of the Titans. I took out gemraizer for oakhame adversary and I like it :)

[@TheLegendaryyoshi]

This is gonna be my get to mythic deck well see how it goes

[@AbsurdHeroine]

Good luck!

[@jimcharles1479]

interesting deck and personally i've been running the gruul version with subira, tulzidi caravnner to make my deathtouch with power 2 or less unblockable

[@TheFirestalker]

Instantly copied it. Love it so far. Thank you so much!

[@OneSet84]

I hearby DEMAND that the next MTG set contain a LEGENDARY MOOSE to accompany the LEGENDARY SQUIRREL!!! Let it be known, Wizards! Let it be known!

[@silentgrove7670]

... someone might make big trouble for you :P

[@jerodast]

@@silentgrove7670 And make it double.

[@StarRailingYourMum]

funny I was thinking of using the indestructible squirrel too, but I only have 1 :(

[@QuestForPerfectSound]

Maybe some proliferate could make this type of deck some good? After all poison counters are counters.

[@AbsurdHeroine]

I don't think there's any proliferate in Standard anymore. This deck in Historic would be a whole different set of cards, I think. Historic just has so many more goodies to play with.

[@Jseuph]

what would the aideboard consist of with this deco?

[@dodoki36]

Very nice deck. I like it. I think I'm gonna brew my own with another approach, or two: - Shadowspear + Deathtouch Rune ??? or - Ozolith with recursive counters (deathtouch, trample, menace...)

[@netserwer]

Super deck :-) But one think... how many cards are in MTG "Ponny"? ;-)

[@LizardWizard01]

I found Demonic Embrace is a great addition to a deathtouch deck

[@2MeterLP]

Cliffhaven kitesail could also work. You are trying to win with poison counters, so cheap and recurring flying might be worth more than extra damage.

[@yannpoupard4059]

what about a jund party dath touch with zagras and Fin ?

[@Goldschmitt]

My Chevill deck didn't need such an upgrade. It still is glad it got it.

[@CrazyJawas]

I love binding of the titans it's such a useful card, good call.

[@spodbox]

A few points: - Grimdancer is too slow and clunky. You need something that acts as a backup win condition in case Fynn doesn't show up, and Hooded Blightfang fits the bill, and is easier to cast. - Toski is the surprise MVP of the deck. So much so, I've added a second and am seriously considering a third (he does suck hard in multiples, tho). He simply outruns most midrange and can give control serious fits. - Chevill is probably better than Mire Triton, but he requires dual lands, weakening the snow aspect. The snow aspect isn't critical, but it can lead to some serious blowouts. Still, the extra card draw and toughness on Chevill just works better in the long run (*cough* Stomp *cough*) - Agadeem's Awakening is an easy add once you get past maxing the snow aspect. You have to adjust the curve to maximize it, but once done it makes for huge comebacks against board sweepers. It can easily replace the Binding of the Titans, which doesn't do anything. - Gemrazer is good in theory, but I find that it is either sitting in my hand (because Fynn and Chevill are humans) or not pushing through because a Lovestruck Beast is in the way. He also doesn't do much if the target creature is killed before it is mutated. I'm not sure what to put here though, maybe Binding the Old Gods. In short, this deck surprised me after the failed attempt to make a deathtouch deck after M21. The additions from Kaldheim really increased its power and I get turn 4 wins quite often now.

[@coldvyvora]

Couldnt you make it work with Hooded Blightfang? or Was it just redundant with Fynn, the Fangbearer as a "deathtouch comander" ?

[@AbsurdHeroine]

Hooded Blightfang is a good addition in a deathtouch deck, but since I was specifically shooting for poison kills, I didn't put it in. My 3 slot was filled with evasive deathtouchers and recursion for Fynn.

[@bodhemon]

you can try my version which has hooded blightfang. winrate is about 70% right now. I haven't quite cracked mythic yet. aetherhub.com/Deck/bad-touch-431232 Mine gets the poison kill a little less often than just winning, but it is an added distraction. Once they have 4 poison counters, they will use their removal on Fynn, which lets hooded blightfang come in and do some damage, or vice versa.

[@juanmorales8791]

hi Absurd Heroine, do you currently accept matches? would love to play at some point

[@franciscotavares4600]

Questing beast in this deck

[@lifeisawesome1391]

I think the flying haster is better because it can be foretold. She is not running blightfangs, so she will rarely win life/damage. The total power of a deathtoucher without lifelink doesn't matter much.

[@franciscotavares4600]

@@lifeisawesome1391 but if she never draw the poison creature or she loses all 4 creatures then what? She can win with a powerful questing beast.

[@lifeisawesome1391]

@@franciscotavares4600 sheDoes rly a lot on recursion sells. I like blightfang more tan questing beast as an alternate win con. It is hard to win with beast alone

[@benchow8851]

Kaldheim's a really solid set, the issue is the meta being mostly Rogues and that coin flip Tibalt's Trickery deck...

[@2MeterLP]

Wouldnt really call tibbs trickery meta, its more a meme.

[@Vukage]

@@2MeterLP I‘m at least every second Game paired against a Tibalt‘s Trickery opponent. They slowly ramped up from like every fourth opponent to more than every second right now... It’s time to get a freakin‘ emergency ban...

[@2MeterLP]

@@Vukage Really? I played around 30 games since kaldheim and I only got tibbs 4 times, 2 of which scooped after the combo didnt work.

[@Vukage]

@@2MeterLP Yes it was every second match for real. But just a few days. Then the amount of those matchups dropped. And yes a lot of them scooped early. Still disgusting and ruins the fun. So I'm still voring for an emergency ban.

[@rickxhoshinji]

Alternative win. The best kind of win.

[@daliborcizek565]

Im using one mana deadtouch creatures 8 black 8grean and 4fyn 4lurus 4snake creatures with deatouch kill planswalker instantly 4 questig beast 4 balagead recovery and some removals its work nice

[@jabinrodriguez2107]

Fynn + doublestrike ?

[@DakonBlackblade2]

Binding the Old Gods should be in this deck. Ye its phase 3 is redundant but the phase 3 of that card is just kinda useless anywhere, the card would be fine having just 2 phases cause the first 2 are just so dam good.

[@greenzhang5377]

Any reason for no questing beast? Pseudo evasion, haste, and defence all in one.

[@lifeisawesome1391]

I think the flying haster is better because it can be foretold. She is not running blightfangs, so she will rarely win life/damage. The total power of a deathtoucher without lifelink doesn't matter much.

[@AbsurdHeroine]

I valued flying and menace over Questing Beast. You could absolutely replace the Reapers and Toski with QBs. It's a matter of preference at that point. The meat of the deck would be unaffected.

[@chrisjohnson2804]

I love that you love MLP shout out for the Mane Six got any favorites?

[@AbsurdHeroine]

Pinkie Pie, of course! I firmly believe that every person can be described by mixing two of the Mane Six together. I am a Pinkie Pie Rarity.

[@chrisjohnson2804]

@@AbsurdHeroine the wine is very Rarity like I can definitely see the combination

[@fenharel2306]

Just hit gold with this deck. Thank you

[@mcrmilton]

great deck, I built it but I added the rare snakes with lifelink and each player loses life M21

[@WyldeTripKY]

love your content!

[@geronimo8159]

I like your style. Most mtg youtubers seem to be constantly yelling for some reason 😅

[@prashanttewari]

I had to include Zargas to deal with the planeswalkers.. Narfi and Ashiok deck destroys this otherwise..

[@Athraxes]

Build a poison deck myself and its so much fun!

[@kaemonbonet4931]

I built something similar and there's a rogue subtheme available

[@zackismet]

Ram Through/Finn The Human question at the end of game 4: Since the card says "CREATURE deals damage... and excess is dealt to its controller" - would that trigger the Poison counters to be added, and then win you the game? (if you had chosen Nighthawk to Ram Through the Eidolon, and they didn't remove any of the necessary creatures)

[@AbsurdHeroine]

Unfortunately not. Poison counters are only created when dealing combat damage.

[@Nebula_Rayne]

Rabid Bite might works better than blizzard brawl in this. It deals combat damage to an opposing creature it doesnt "fight" it and it deals the deathtouch damage. no snow needed

[@jerodast]

Maybe. Obviously Brawl is cheaper, and in a deck that tries to run pretty fast, that can help. And there doesn't seem to be a penalty for playing snow right now. Maybe more reason to switch to Bite if there was a lot of anti-snow in the meta. Neither is combat damage though btw.

[@FromAgonyToLight]

Hard removal like Ugin seems like a weak spot for this deck. Binding of the Titans seems like a good recourse for non-exile removal however. Cool brew.

[@robertsunderman9534]

To be fair, Ugin is a weakness for most decks.

[@FromAgonyToLight]

@@robertsunderman9534 EVERYTHING but colorless

[@robertsunderman9534]

Nooo! Always ram through with your nighthawks! They have lifelink! Not that it really mattered at the time.

[@AbsurdHeroine]

I knew in that case they were going to sacrifice my target, and I wanted to encourage them to remove Fynn specifically. In the end, you're right, that's what you want to do, and it didn't matter - the outcome probably would've been the same either way.

[@jabinrodriguez2107]

Please wear headphones with princes leia buns

[@2MeterLP]

Ugin ruins standard for me. Especially because hes colorless, so every deck that doesnt plan on winning by turn 5 plays him. If it was one or two decks with ugin as payoff, I could deal with is, but half of all decks I encounter run Ugin. You cant have long games anymore because playing an Ugin is an instant win button.

[@ExandShadow]

That poor starter deck player :( Great deck though!

[@kevinurlaub3810]

I felt so bad for the last person. It didn't stand a chance at all 😅

[@AbsurdHeroine]

Yeah... way to introduce a new player, lol

[@mq4626]

Amazing.. Love the intro.. - Its Great To see a Female youtuber that doesnt have her junk hanging out! Love the Deck!!!

[@gunner1612]

Needs Chevill but i like the deck

[@NateTmi]

there is an artifact that can grab 1 rune from the grave

[@AbsurdHeroine]

As I was editing I think I realized that the Runeforge Champion himself can actually grab one from the graveyard as well.

[@jerodast]

Runed Crown, yep.

[@Rusaarules]

How is the top comment not "That girl is poison?"

[@KarstenWilken]

I hope you present a counter deck towards this overwhelmingly boring and annoying meta deck. If your decks don't have a explicit strategy against deathtouch you can quit rather early. It seems 60-70% are playing poison decks at the moment. The only difference in their decks is the KZbinr Channel they copied it from. It might be an effective deck to win but in my opinion it ruins every aspect of fun in the game. With the alternative win condition and cards like ram through there aren't many deck combos that can work against it. Ugin is the most annoying card in standard. If you don't hold back a concrete planeswalker removal card through out the whole game.. There are almost no answers to him because with his 7 marks there isn't much that can be left standing on the battlefield.

[@jerodast]

The alt win is dependent on a single card, as well as creatures hitting the opponent (the same interaction that also causes regular wins); Ram Through is simply removal, a staple in any deck. What is so terrible about those concepts? If it's annoyingly powerful, maybe the meta isn't balanced, but in terms of basic archetype this is simply...a creature synergy deck, like a million others. There's nothing inherently different about it. And what does Ugin have to do with it?

[@KarstenWilken]

@@jerodast She mentioned Ugin in the video. I share the same reluctance. Yes, it is simple and it effective. But if your deck isn't build to handle this or is build for removal. You almost got no chance. And there is no counterpart to deathtouch except maybe indestructible.