Pokémon's Weird Terms

Bigblast99 talks about some of the Pokémon terminology.
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[@zoroearc2582]

An interesting fact about Pokédollars is that its entirely the invention of the English localisation; in the original Japanese, it's just Yen

[@Turtle-Soup]

It is interesting that it’s just yen in the Japanese version! Seeing the pokedollar term just out on display in the orre games really caught young me by surprise and became one of those ones that just stick inside the mind for no real reason lmao

[@ukaszkucal5554]

for me always is pokeyen, pokemon currency is based on yen NOT dolar. i can't understand how stupid people are to not see that.

[@A.R_69]

​@@ukaszkucal5554 maybe because pokedollar sounds better than pokeyen?

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

​@@ukaszkucal5554so you expect english people who mostly use dollars to switch to yen when talking about money in a game that uses the term pokedollars? Are you serious?

[@christiancinnabars1402]

@youtubestudiosucks978 For me, that's the issue. Why did they localize the currency as "Pokedollars" when they have stuff like Escape Ropes at 550 - 1K a pop? Why not just call it "Poké," which they actually do in the Mystery Dungeon games? That sure would have cleared up some confusion.

[@Kongumon]

Eeveelution is another fan term that became official later on.

[@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan]

@@Kongumon wait it became official?

[@thebestworst8002]

When did it become official

[@Kongumon]

@@thebestworst8002 the first time it was used was as the name of a TCG structure deck, and it was first used in a game in Pokemon Ranger: Shadows of Almia.

[@natecgames4612]

It fits perfectly though, it makes too much sense to make it official.

[@MegaPokefan97]

The term "Kalosian" DOES appear in X and Y, specifically in the map screen The term "Legendary Dogs" always bugs me because they're basically cats (Entei being a Lion, Raikou is a tiger mixed with a Smilodon, and Suicune is also a weird mix of leopard, wolf, and ki-rin) And then there's "the Genies" which are actually Kami

[@ThePokemonSquadX]

Wtf is a Kami though?

[@darkenedzone]

​@ThePokemonSquadX it means God! (Couldn't resist a TFS referencel

[@Faniwa828]

I've always seen them like the Eeveelutions. Where they're a mixture of both dogs AND cats.

[@Snubbull3000]

All the regional terms you've posted have been confirmed. Sinnohan, Johtonian and Unovian are listed in the thrifty mart merchandise in alola

[@Lokear]

Also in the Pokédex for Pokémon that got regional forms later. Alolan forms only exist for Kantonian Pokémon, but then we got forms for Johtonian (Slowking), Hoennian (Zigzagoon), Unovan (Yamask), and Kalosian (Goodra) across later games (only listing one example of each for space lol), so alongside all the new Galarian, Hisuian, and Paldean forms, that fills in all the gaps

[@Insert.Oregano]

I'm going to be pedantic because it feels appropriate for a video like this: BP is also short for "Beach Points" in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. I believe they have the same balance as the BP you earn in the Battle Tree, but I just thought it was a little funny that they've made the same abbreviation for 3 different things that are basically the same

[@Turtle-Soup]

Being completely truthful, I completely forgot about the beach stuff in the ultra games, really is wild that they like the BP abbreviation so much

[@wikiuser92]

The thing is that Blueberry Points actually have different abbreviations in different languages, while Battle Points and Beach Points share a common abbreviation in all languages.

[@oddsmile1234]

I came down here to say the same thing. And yes Beach Points and Battle points are shared in USUM, the reason for that most likely being that not everyone wants to grind out the battle tower for BP and thus it allows a second option to get some.

[@Insert.Oregano]

@oddsmile1234 now that you mention, I remember grinding out the surf mini game to get some mega stones from the battle tree shops

[@gligarguy4010]

Definitely don't agree with fans on the term Legendary Dogs, that term has never made a shred of sense.

[@gamingknuckleheads]

In 2022 it was confirmed by someone who worked on the Gen 2 games that Raikou, Entei and Suicune were based off a tiger, lion and either a jaguar or a panther. All of which are predatory cats. I FORGET the video I saw it in but I THINK it was a Did You Know Gaming video. My memory is bad like that...I just remember watching it last year.

[@oucyan]

the Legendary Beasts are called that because they aren't dogs (or even cats). Entei is Shisa Lion-Dog, Raikou is a Nue and Suicune is a Kirin (with heavy Leopard design inspiration to match Entei and Raikou's cat-like appearances). They're all chimeric beasts from Japanese Mythology

[@benjaminmargulies1853]

All 3 are more feline than canine in appearance

[@oucyan]

@@benjaminmargulies1853 I'd argue Suicune is more canine looking due to the shape of it's face.

[@Lugiamasterbrony]

Honestly I’ve never liked the term legendary dogs. Always called them legendary beasts. Also Pokémon typically are based on multiple things anyway meaning beasts make even more sense.

[@sephikong8323]

Seriously, who the hell looked at Raikou and went "yeah, dog" That's peak "I haven't ever seen an animal in my life, my only frame of reference is my dog" energy

[@Shanehudson27]

Go and look at the gen 2 sprites. Imagine what they looked like on a tiny unlit Gameboy screen. This is some real iPad kid energy. It's easy to forget those pokemon and games and era are over 20 years old at this point.

[@herowither12354]

​@@Shanehudson27 The games aren't the only part of the franchise. Promotional art, the anime, movies, cards.

[@ThePokemonSquadX]

No you didn't

[@Lugiamasterbrony]

@@ThePokemonSquadX who? If you mean me, no I didn’t what?

[@tepig2828]

One name I find interesting is how Tronadus, Thundurus, Landorus, and Emamorous are referred to as the “Legendary Genies” by fans, despite not being genies, they are based on the four directional deities from Chinese mythology, similar to how Reshiram and Zekrom are based on the Yin and Yang. The incarnate forms especially show this as the animal and colored jewel on their bodies match each god. Tornadus is Suzaku the Vermillion Bird Thundurus is Seiryu the Azure Dragon Landorus is Byakko the White Tiger Enamorous is Genbu the Black Tortoise

[@Beast_the_smash_guy]

All of a sudden, Enamorous makes sense being added

[@azurai3934]

To be fair this was based on their Incarnate forms and before the Therian reveal where they look like djinn without a lamp, it just kinda stuck

[@itsturniptime3699]

@@azurai3934even then they also weren’t genies but rather Kami, notably Thundurus and Tornadus being Raijin and Fujin like on that one famous art piece, the gods of thunder and wind

[@NEET_201]

while we are talking about the forces of nature, I always thought it was fitting if a bit cheesy that they added enamorous, since you know the whole "love is a force of nature" is a really corny but cute thing people say

[@kirby1781]

TIL. And I'm a huge fan of a set of characters in another series which represents that same archetype. I guess the original forms and colorations threw me off. Neat how they managed to fit both that and the last season so late.

[@saintjynr]

My best guess for why they would change "starter" is that _maybe_ it could give the idea that you start with them, then switch them out later? And "partner" gives a more personal feeling

[@3twibles4sweetrevenge]

This notion makes me want to bench my fist partner out of spite while i wouldve never considered it before

[@thepokemonqueen]

i prefer starter over first partner, but i also prefer powerhouse over pseudo legendary, mainly cos they roll of the tongue better. I always referred to the currency as the "PokéYen" because of how similar the symbol is to the yen sign ¥ and because the amounts charged in the shops resembles yen more. also "Individual Value" and "Effort Value" were fan terms coined by Christopher Fritz (Meowth346) who ran the Pokémon Forever fansite

[@Turtle-Soup]

Evs and ivs were ones I debated about adding but didn’t want to entirely overload the section, however seeing that they are originally fan terms, now I wish I didn’t!

[@jkmovin]

​@@Turtle-Soup Interestingly the Pokémon company don't seem too fond of EVs and IVs as terms these days, calling them things like Base Points in the newer games and only referring to "how the Pokémon is trained" on official VGC streams and such

[@noodlespoo]

I like the case for "first partner" to just be the umbrella term and "starter" to mean a Pokémon you officially got from a professor to start your journey.

[@WaterKirby1994]

Starter suggests that the Journey Begins when you obtain them, 1st Partner implies it can be a nonstarter as well. To be fair the Manga had examples back in the day like Red's Poliwhirl.

[@marcelosandoval4206]

Why it’s so hard to call them Legendary Beasts? I mean they are not dogs or cats at all They are a mix of both

[@Slimeade]

A bit of a strange one but certain terms affect how players view certain Pokémon entirely. Between Gens I and early Gen V, Mew/Celebi/Jirachi/Deoxys/Darkrai/Shaymin/Arceus/Victini were called 'Event Legendaries' by the fanbase, due to them being Legendaries by event only. Early/mid Gen V Game Freak started using 'Mythicals' instead. This leads to a situation where older players see Event Legendaries/Mythicals as a subset of Legendaries, whereas newer players see them as an entirely different thing alltogether. Things get infinitely more confusing when they started making them appear in mainline games without events, because there's now not really anything seperating those specific Pokémon from being just regular Legendaries at that point

[@sebc255]

Doesn't help that the separations between Legendary and Mythical always existed in the Japanese versions, but translations often used both words interchangeably.

[@Joey15811]

From the thumbnail…The legendary beasts are NOT dogs. How is a sabertooth tiger a dog?! And suicune and entie are based on lions and cheetah respectively with dog traits mixed im but Raikou has no dog traits whatsoever so legendary dog savers GTFO. Legendary cats if you want to be accurate.

[@shukuchishikeishuu9540]

For real! It always bugged me whenever people call them “legendary dogs” when the most “dog-like” thing about them is them being quadrupedal mammals. Which applies to so many animals other than dogs.

[@kirby1781]

It's likely a byproduct of people theorizing they're transformed (Gen 1) Eeveelutions...though Espeon feels more like a cat so Eevee types aren't completely dog. Personally I prefer Beasts myself as well, mostly because it sounds cooler.

[@RobinRhombus2]

A tiger, a lion, and a leopard if I remember correctly.

[@Shanehudson27]

Y'all should go and look at the gen 2 sprites because they were jankie AF. It makes way more sense in that context. Not to mention these unofficial names were mostly spread by word of mouth on playgrounds and the toys'r'us events. It wasn't until gen 3 that I realized they do look like dogs. Also the movie for that gen only had Entei in it if I remedial remember correctly. Kinda the most dog like imo.

[@3twibles4sweetrevenge]

Chill bruh 😂

[@neokonline_]

Another interesting one is Pokemon with alternate Forms, vs. Pokemon with alternate Formes

[@BlueDavrial]

I'm actually a Legendary Beasts guy from all the way back in the day myself. Look at Raikou and tell me that's not a tiger. Look at Entei and tell me there's no lion elements in his design. They're definitely not fully dogs, nor are they fully cats, they are *archetypal* "beasts" . Which fits with the fan theory they were transformed eeveelutions, because Eevee itself is another great example of a more generic beast, having both foxlike traits AND catlike traits, and even a touch of bunny.

[@CorynSilver]

I think they chose Beast cuz they actually share raids from multiple animals, canine and feline mostly

[@thecatarmy3485]

8:03 Correct me if I’m wrong but I think BP not only stands for Battle points and Blueberry points, it also counts as Beach Points or something in the Alola games with the Mantine Surf. The game does mention that it’s the same thing as Battle Points, but because you get it through a different method it’s technically counted as a different thing before it’s grouped with your other BP

[@Dukstless]

1:24 - The official ones are Sinnohan (random flover text in Thrifty Megamart iirc), Unovan (Terrakion's Shield entry) and Kalosian (Kiloude City's description).

[@Bolt_Chaser]

I call the currency just Poké, cause of Mystery Dungeon

[@yannickgrignon2473]

I always find the collecrive terms for legendary groups interesting - some are pretty no-nonsense, like "legendary birds" or "legendary beasts", but some get pretty out there. I've never liked either "super-ancient" or "weather trio" to describe my favourite group of legendaries - "weather" feels reductive and boring (and besides, like half the pokemon out there affect weather in one way or another), while "super-ancient" is kinda cool, but really doesn't describe them at all. I dunno what a better term would be.

[@Ale41976]

"Legendary dogs" Buddy, they are ALL literally felines

[@herowither12354]

No, no, y'see, one of them is based on the lionDOG, so legendary dogs makes more sense than legendary beasts (ignore the fact that the other 2 have no dog in them)

[@thekirbyguy4576]

While this doesn't necessarily mean I think the term is better, I think First Partner Pokemon was probably adopted as a term to reduce the ambiguity of "Starter," as one could argue that the term implies that you're only supposed to start with them and replace them with something stronger later, sort of like the "In Training" Digimon. First Partner is more direct in that they're simply your first partner in each game.

[@Turtle-Soup]

That is actually a really solid perspective on it. Looking at it like that I can apply more of the logic I used with the pseudo > powerhouse change and it makes more sense for the change.

[@colbyholloman4433]

My issue is that "First Partner" has a different but much worse implication problem. "Starter" implies a catch-all label about a species of Pokémon that a trainer can start their journey with. (imo, it says nothing about how long it's kept, no reason you can't finish with what you started with, but whatever.) "First Partner" implies a specific description of the specific Pokémon a trainer did start their journey with. Finding a "Starter" in the wild, such as in Scarlet/Violet DLC, is fine. But finding a "First Partner" in the wild is an inherent contradiction.

[@enoyna1001]

​@@colbyholloman4433 But you don't find Kanto's First Partner Pokémon not in Kanto and Johto"s not in Johto, and so on. There is no contradiction.

[@colbyholloman4433]

​@@enoyna1001I mean, as far back as Yellow Version, so-called "First Partners" could be obtained by means other than being the trainer's first partner. Same contradiction, it's just more apparent now. Them being in the wild now just makes this the worst possible time to formalize this label. The phrase "First Partner Pokémon appear in the wild" as they used in one of the DLC trailers if I remember correctly, is just drawing attention to the issue. It doesn't matter that the specific Paldea trio isn't among them, because they're still referring to the rest as something that they, literally speaking, are not. 'Pokémon who have previously been First Partners" would be the only way to get across what they're trying to say without the contradiction, and obviously no one wants to say that mouthful.

[@Andrew-ww1hz]

That’s what I’ve thought as well. I have to roll my eyes at GF for making “politically correct” edits like this because I don’t think anyone was offended to begin with

[@lforc25]

the thing with calling, for example, the original meowth, "kantonian meowth" is that they're not native to Kanto

[@creature6715]

Alolan rattata is explicitly not native to alola so i fail to see the issue here

[@lforc25]

@@creature6715 I think you misunderstood, *normal* rattata were brought by sailors to Alola. They ruined the ecosystem, so they brought yungoos to deal with them. In order to adapt to their new predators, they evolved to become nocturnal, making the rattata found in the Alola region phenotypically distinct from other rattata found everywhere else in the pokemon world.

[@bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257]

I've always hated that.

[@anthonyhaney626]

What do you mean? You first find meowth in Kanto?

[@lforc25]

@@anthonyhaney626 Alolan Meowth - only found in Alola. Galarian Meowth - only found in Galar Normal Meowth - found in Kanto, Johto, and Paldea

[@Beast_the_smash_guy]

2:00 don't forget the term "Radiant"

[@hedgestock]

Also chromatic right? Or is it only in french.

[@ToxicTurquoise454]

Correct, they are blatantly not dogs. I have no idea why people look at them and see them as dogs. Lion, sabertooth tiger, cheetah/leopard/jaguar. And if they're not supposed to be cats, "beasts" is fine as well. Just not dogs.

[@FlygonkingVGC]

They are the legendary quadraped animals let’s just get it over with.

[@christiancinnabars1402]

@FlygonkingVGC Should we call Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres "the Legendary winged creatures" while we're at it?

[@bowser_the_flamingshell]

@@christiancinnabars1402 and solgaleo, lunala, and necrozma the light trio- oh wait

[@Dan_-]

Suicune is a wolf. I don't see where anybody is getting "leopard" from that thing.

[@kirby1781]

​@@christiancinnabars1402Birds are an entire set of species. Cats and dogs are subsets of mammals. This implies though if the two NEED to follow the same naming scheme, the Three Beasts have to be called the Three Mammals. Take that as you desire.

[@Drifblim066]

Hitmons refer to the evolved forms of Tyrogue not used so much anymore it was mainly used in red and blue back when Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan weren’t part of the same evolutionary line.

[@Shanehudson27]

Rip my punchy Bois. You'll be buffed someday. (LOL NOT)

[@Drifblim066]

@@Shanehudson27 or Kicking in terms of Hitmonlee although Hitmonlee does get Axe Kick in gen 9

[@trolleymouse]

My one question about the regional names is, if we ever got a regional variation on Houndour, would the classic one be Johtoan or Kantoan?

[@deazee2288]

Never understood how the fandom got "dogs" from Raikou, Entei, and Suicune Literally a tiger, lion and leopard

[@LuDogg805]

I hate when Pokeplayers say certain acronyms in Comp/Narrations. SD = Swords Dance (but I understand it as "Self-Destruct") CC = Close Combat (but I understand it as "Crowed Control") DD = Dragon Dance (but I understand it as a cup-size) Other unofficial terms that are used... Stall = Team of only defensive Pokemon that don't really attack Wall-Break = Team of aggro or set-up attackers or anti-stall Sweeper = Pokemon that are meant to win you the game SkarmBliss = Skarmory + Blissy team Volturn = Volt Switch + U-Turn Pivot = moves that force switch you out by the user itself OHKO = One-Hit-Knock Out (any guarantee 1 shot regardless if it's officially an OHKO move) Spread Move = A move that hits more than one target Phase Out/Phaser = Moves that force a switch to an opponent Pokemon Spin Blocker = Ghost types Pikachu Clone = any electric rodent Pokemon Eeveelution = any evolved form of Eevee Speed Control = moves that manipulate speed Dexit = Pokemon not available in the newer games. Walled/Walls = inferior match-up Checked/Checks = potentially a bad match-up Rocks = Stealth Rock Shortened Names D-Nite T-Tar G-Pod Vish Pult Lando Valiant T-Wave T-Bolt NatDex Sashed (holding Focus Sash) There's more but those are from the top of my head.

[@douglasandrews8977]

"Eeveelution" became official when it was used in the TCG and "check" (and maybe "pivot") is a common term in general. I must say that "Vish" is vague because it probably usually refers to Dracovish because it was nigh-ubiquitous in the Generation VIII metagame, but it could also mean Arctovish. (Lockstin and Gnoggin has used it to refer to both collectively.)

[@LuDogg805]

@@douglasandrews8977 Yeah I forgot to mention... Kantonian is also official now... Pokemon US Tweeted it.

[@KaiCyreus]

we already have official demonyms for each region: Kantonian - mentioned by Hau Johtonian - in the guidebook Hoennian - in the guidebook Sinnohan - Thrifty Megamart on Royal Avenue Unovan - Sword/Shield dex entry for Terrakion Kalosian - Kiloude City's icon on the map in XY

[@romanphilson9275]

while i prefer starter pokemon, the change makes sense to me. the term starter feels like it can refer to something that you get when you’re just starting out, but can be replaced later (eg starter car). gamefreak definitely seems to intend for you to use them for your whole play through, so i get changing that term. first partner pokemon sounds way too clunky though

[@SnoFitzroy]

I clicked on this prepared to throw hands, but glad to see someone actually being level-headed about these terms! Personally, I call the gen 2 trio "the legendary cats" as they're the only group of legendaries that are all cats (Solgaleo, for example, has a counterpart that isn't a cat). I find it weird that people came up with the idea they're allegedly dogs becuase of the "dead eeveeloutions" theory becuase well...none of them are dogs and they're also all cats, including Eevee. Eevee has traits of other animals but definitely isn't a dog - its cry is literally a purring meow I don't know why people think it's a fox. I also prefer "First Partner" as the term "Partner Pokémon" in general is a lot older than gen 6, referring to the mon a trainer owns that we would normally call their "ace" - "Partner" is much more specific in that it doesn't imply it's their strongest, just their most preferred - for a personal example, Furret could be classified as my "Partner," Eevee would be classified as my "First Partner," and Chien-Pao would be something I could classify as my "Ace." I understand why some prefer "starter" and I still use that term myself more often than "First Partner," but I like the logic of "partner" more. What I wonder is if maybe people dislike the term less because they hate change but more because the vast majority of the fandom refuses to acknowledge that it's 100% canon that people and Pokémon used to be the same thing (Humans diverged through darwinian evolution) and maybe they don't like remembering that there used to be (and canonically still is) inbreeding between people and Pokémon, and maybe they see "partner" as suspicious somehow? To which I'd simply say "get over it" I'm not a fan of "600 club" because it implies Mythicals are on he same level as Powerhouses lol

[@KaiCyreus]

oh yea those 𝘥𝘰𝘨𝘴, y'know the sabretooth tiger, the lion, the cheetah, yea those dogs

[@JuliaCCCP]

Regional fake or convergent pokémon sound better than "ecologically similar"

[@zeanone9257]

Convergent doesn't mean similar looking that's why

[@larryrottenberk7771]

Honestly, when there's a term that just about everyone uses, like Starter or Pseudo-legend[ary], sometimes you just gotta go with it. If the fan term is well-defined and works, it's best to use it so you don't confuse or annoy your audience. The collection of Pseudo-Legend[ary] pokemon should've been called the Powerhouse Collection. Calling a classification of mons "Powerhouse" just feels wrong, like if we called early route normal types "weakling" Pokémon. The word is too broad, cause we could classify a massive chunk of the dex as Powerhouses, but that term being reserved for only what we call Pseudos is just bad.

[@machina5]

Powerhouse Collection sounds so stupid lol

[@larryrottenberk7771]

@@machina5 for a collection of merchandise, it makes sense.

[@herowither12354]

Not everyone uses Pseudolegendary. There's also the 600 club.

[@larryrottenberk7771]

@@herowither12354 that's technically a different classification now, Archaludon exists, 600 is just a BST, and there's more that goes into being a pseudo

[@herowither12354]

@@larryrottenberk7771 Non-Legendary with 600 BST is all that really matters, the only reason the other criteria is a thing is that before Archuladon, every Mon with a 600 BST happened to have other similarities. But the criteria changed back when Goodra was made, because Goodra didn't fit all the qualifications.

[@AdeptCharon]

I'm surprised that the mess of "legendary" categories wasn't featured here. With the data markers set per species that are mainly used for competitive ban-lists (distinguishing sublegendaries, restricted legendaries and mythicals), which just had a lot of confused discussions over the past few years due to Ultra Beasts getting their own marker while in turn "losing" the "sublegendary" one, as part of the introduction of another UB-like subcategory of the PAradox Pokémon.

[@KDubOriginal]

Suicune is a canine, Raikou is a feline, and Entei being based on a lion-dog is both.

[@harleyhollis]

Stat Trainers: Cheryl, Mira, Riley, Marley, and Buck

[@KaiCyreus]

for anyone that doesn't know, the "Legendary Birds" do have an official title - the Winged Mirages

[@zangoquack]

8:03 I maybe wrong but in Ultra Sun and Moon wasn’t BP also called Beach Points for the move tutors? The served the same purpose and worked the same as Battle Points but I thought it was fun that they were Beach Points on the beach.

[@benjaminmargulies1853]

for Decidueye, Alolan is the original form

[@hedgestock]

Great video, you earned my like and subscription! (Also I think you have a typo in pseudo legendary at 2:29)

[@JustDandyGuy]

These videos are so close to being something I can love if they provided a little more facts and tidbits about the things being listed Like shiny pokemon is a fan term originally, but the term shining pokemon, where shiny originates from, began as a type of cards in the Pokemon TCG

[@wikiuser92]

All regional terms actually do have official names. Johto and Hoenn's terms were confirmed in an official guidebook for USUM, while the terms for Sinnoh, Unova, and Kalos have been confirmed by various in-game sources. You got almost all of them right, except for one: the adjective form of Sinnoh is actually "Sinnohan".

[@Turtle-Soup]

Thank you so much for this comment, going into this I was sure these were official terms, but my research lead me to no official sources for them whatsoever, and didn't have the time to absolutely scour the internet for them. It's a shame I messed up the Sinnoh one, I've heard people say it both ways so I had to basically coin flip which one I wanted to use.

[@wikiuser92]

@@Turtle-Soup You're welcome! I learned this info from the trivia sections of each region's articles on Bulbapedia. Still, your video is pretty well done. Four out of five isn't bad.

[@CaptainObliviousV]

A really cool term I don’t see people talk about is “Primordial Chaos”. It’s used in Legends Arceus to refer to the creation trio’s origin forms, as a collective.

[@phorchybug3286]

I like to call those weird Cloud people the Orus. Landorus, Thundurus, Tornadus, Enamorus

[@douglasandrews8977]

Their official name is the Forces of Nature.

[@AgentLeonSKennedy]

That's Pocket Money,get it? Pocket Monsters and Money?! Huh?! Huh? Huh???!!!

[@eusoumaniaco]

I always had a pet peeve with pseudo legendary being used widespread. Ain’t nothing pseudo on a 600 bst line, quite a few actual legendaries have less than that to speak of xD

[@Faniwa828]

I personally think that Starter is a much better name but I can definitely see the thought process behind First Partner Pokémon. "Starter" implies exactly what it's name suggests. A Pokémon that you start with. "First Partner" on the other hand is more personal. Like the one you'll develop a bond with throughout the game.

[@wootmasterzorsx]

For the Legendary Dogs, I think why that term was a thing is because two of the three can be viewed as doglike. Like, Entei is the real obviously “this looks like a dog” one, even if it also equally looks like a lion. Suicune looks kinda like a mix between a cat and a dog, so I can see the confusion there. …Raikou is blatantly a Sabre tooth tiger, though, so no clue where Dogs came from. Beasts is definitely the better term for that group, I’m gonna be clear on, even if I thought two of the three looked doglike back in the day. But they’re obviously a lion, sabre-tooth tiger, and a cheetah, I wanna say? Maybe a leopard? Regardless, beasts is better since it just sounds cooler and also helps highlight how they look a lot more mystical than any of the big cats they’re based on.

[@GrampaSheevie]

"Similarity to golems in real life" ???

[@AdeptCharon]

Missed the best BP! Beach Points is what you get for Mantine Surf in USUM

[@vincentpoirier845]

pretty sure the legendary birds are called the winged mirages or something

[@douglasandrews8977]

They are both official terms.

[@lorenzosorbelli1271]

I’m pretty sure Shinies are still called “cromatici” (which means “chromatic”) in italian i actually like it more than shiny cause it refers to the different colors instead of the little sparkle when you encounter them

[@mcsmileycorp]

I'm going to be honest I absolutely class archaludon as a pseudo legenday, even though it doesn't quite fit all the requirements, it feels very pseudo legendary-ish and it really feels like the angle gamefreak were going for when they designed it, plus to me the 600 bst non legendary thing feels like the most important part of the classification.

[@shardtheduraludon]

Personally I feel like them being in the Medium Fast XP Group and not the Slow one disqualifies it for me. Like I’d love for Duraludon and Archaludon to be psuedos (they’re my favorite Pokémon of all time, if my KZbin tag didn’t make it obvious :P) but they break too many of the criteria

[@herowither12354]

​@@shardtheduraludon Goodra also broke a few of the criteria. Then the fandom changed the criteria so it could count.

[@DJCheese77]

BP can not only be Battle Points or Blueberry Points but also Beach Points in SM+USUM

[@KaiCyreus]

i don't have much a problem with "starter", i kinda just assume that they'd rather keep it out of official material so as to avoid making people who have never heard of Pokémon think that they're talking about food or somethin like that

[@arzeenine]

"first partner" sounds so Digimon

[@SpikedGuyver]

Just my own two cents/history lesson on the whole Legendary Beasts thing. I remember back when Gen 2 first came out there was no actual universal term for them, but rather two different camps that each had their own name based on what they saw in the beasts. Some called them Legendary Dogs because to them they looked like dogs, something I agreed with as the sprites in Gen 2 really did not make them look cat like at all. Others called them Legendary Cats due to seeing cats in their designs, something easily seen in Raikou's artwork and more modern sprites. Then there was a third group that appeared for a short time that acknowledged that the designs had elements of both and decided to create their own terminology as a sort of neutral ground. Thus the term Legendary Gerbil was coined. I think the term was in part meant to poke lite hearted (light hearted?) fun at the debates between the Dog and Cat groups. The Gerbils terminology didn't last too long because Legendary Beasts came about shortly afterwords as a way to refer to the trio and is more intuitive than gerbil. All of this happened within the time it took for Gen 3 to come out, maybe lasting as long as the release of Gen 4 if I am properly recalling my time tables. My favorite term will always be Legendary Gerbils, as to me the beasts really cannot be classified as a group of cats or dogs. Entei is clearly some breed of dog; you cannot convince me it is a lion when it lacks any features pointing at such. Raikou is clearly a tiger. Suicune kind of looks like someone wanted to combine a dog or cat, more likely a cat, with a dragon based on its head design having a horn like crest with flowing hair coming from behind it and a beard growing from beneath its chin. The ribbon like tail just adds a hint of cloud shape to the body to add to that impression.

[@herowither12354]

Liondog, Sabertooth, Kirin. All ancient/mythological cat creatures. (Kirin are a mix of big cats, dragons, and horses. They left out the hooves, tho)

[@dream_weaver6207]

BP is also used as a shorthand for Baton pass

[@Slenderquil]

The comments keep calling Pokedollars yen, so I offer the worst solution possible: Pen

[@KaiCyreus]

doesn't the word "ancient" only apply within Earth's history tho?

[@WhiffTheRubbishEngine1869]

Im pretty sure some consideration has to go into how the term for residents sounds when making the name of the region. Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova and Kalos don’t sound as good

[@blueharuka226]

I use the term 'Legendary Beasts' because I like to think of the trio as beings with traits of multiple animals instead of just one, but personally, I still like to think of them as pretty dog-like for the most part (Especially when I make art of them. I always draw Entei with floppy dog-ears and Suicune with a wolf-like face) since it's just what I'm used to. Also, I'd much rather use the terms 'Beasts' and 'Dogs' than 'Legendary Cats'. I like cats, but that term just sounds dumb to me.

[@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli]

I hated the term "pseudo legendary" because they're not legendary at all lol. Legends are able to be completely terrible and at low level. The only thing that makes a Legendary a Legendary is that you only get one. "Pseudos" can be caught all day long. And bred. The closest thing to a pseudo legendary would be something like Vulcarona which is obtained as a gift egg only (you only get one) and doesn't evolve until level 59 (with Slow leveling). But people wouldn't even consider it a "Pseudo" because it's 550 stat total and 2 stage.

[@bananaforscale1283]

You forgot the most important legendary and mythical.

[@Faedz]

THEYRE NOT DOGS!?

[@KaiCyreus]

i've still never heard "Pokédollar" used in any official capacity.. only as a made-up term by American fans

[@BlueDavrial]

It's not surprising "Pseudo Legendary" isnt an officially adopted term, it's clunky and doesnt make any thematic sense at all, as it's based exclusively on comparing their mechanics to that of legendaries, where there's no thematic connection purely just the mechanical one. I think "Powerhouse" is a tad boring and understated, but perfectly servicable

[@Decapitationtrain]

If someone calls their starter their "first partner", that person is a cop.

[@Hexagonal_Goblin]

I actually think I get what they were trying to do with “first partner” even though I don’t care for it myself. The term “Starter” can kinda make it sound like a basic pokemon you just use to start off before you move on to more advanced pokemon, whereas “first partner” is a bit more neutral and works for people who keep it or box it.

[@armandoguzmannieves5472]

I’m sorry. Suicuine is NOT obviously a cat. It's head is very Caniform. As a kid it always confused me cuz it was clearly so different to the other 2.

[@CorynSilver]

The term Beast is meant to imply they aren’t one specific animal. Suicune has both wolf and leopard features, and also a weird head crest that I always assumed was some form of antler. You can argue Entei and Raikou also have specific canine features mixed in as well. Just less so

[@danielmalinen6337]

I prefer the "legendary beasts" because their designer once confirmed that they are a combination of canine and feline traits (feline traits were added maybe because their canine-like beta versions looked bit goofy). However, it's funny how some people use this statement as proof that they are legendary cats.

[@pemanilnoob]

Oh noooo a Pokémon isn’t one specific animal??? The horrooooooor how can you surviiiiiive

[@LimeLoaf]

​@@pemanilnoobDo NOT let them discover octillary and remaraid

[@pemanilnoob]

@@LimeLoaf basically don’t let them discover any Pokémon

[@CorynSilver]

“Starter” can imply its basic, for use at the start, and replaced later on, like a Starter Kit or Starter Deck. While I don’t think “First” there, we already have Partner Pikachu and Eevee from LGPE, so I think just calling starters “Partner Pokémon” is fine. It’s also just a more personal title.

[@Turtle-Soup]

the use of just partner unfortunately feels to constricting, as you could make any pokemon your partner if you so desire. The use of starter or first denotes that its the very first pokemon you get at the start of your journey, and the full title of first partner pokemon is a mouthful

[@CorynSilver]

⁠@@Turtle-Souptechnically speaking, you CAN’T make just any Pokemon your first in the games. But more to the point, I think it just comes down to personal preference. I like Partner more than Starter, but I still say Starter because it’s muscle memory. But I still refer to my specific Fuecoco I started SV with as my Partner. Any other Fuecoco is just a starter.

[@WaterKirby1994]

Well to be fair most of us do replace our starter by evolving it. Starter implies the journey starts with them, Red's 1st Partner was Poliwhirl if you read the manga & 1st Partner can easily be mistaken for 1st Catch.

[@CorynSilver]

I thought Shiny was first made official with the Shiny Charm

[@Turtle-Soup]

The shiny charm is what I believe to be the first normal in game use of the term, but they started using it in promotional material during the fourth generation if I'm not mistaken.

[@CarsonZiccardi]

@Turtle-Soup Yes, but I am pretty sure that an event shiny Milotic said "Wow! Shiny Milotic!" On it or something like that. You make great videos btw

[@runningoncylinders3829]

Why did they just adopt “Shiny”, the most arbitrary of many terms for an animation gimmick not even for the special alternate coloration, yet something like Pseudo and checks notes Starter begin to see pushback? The Starters and the Pseudos will make more sense for them in history.

[@vaelegoro7782]

Oof I didn't even know a good few of these

[@npaulfun7196]

Pocket monsters is just the Japanese name.

[@AdeptCharon]

Archaludon is not a late bloomer, but it is definitely a powerhouse Pokémon and a member of the 600 club. Pokémon fans struggle to grasp that there can be multiple terms for very similar things with slight nuance and/or ambiguity. That said, the term "pseudo-legendary" is the least useful of them all and should've been thrown in the garbage like 6 generations ago lol

[@Bird-wz7nx]

I feel like the strongest theory about where the heck the term "Legendary Dogs" even came from is that its a messy leftover from their much more doglike beta designs. Any Americans know that they were already working on Gen 2 by the time Gen 1 hit North America, and they were keen on peppering some Next Gen teasers as soon as possible, even before things were nailed down. Remember that solid gold Ho-oh in the very first episode of the anime? It apparently was because they were still working with the original Gameboy for Gen 2 at this point, and wouldn't lock in a color palette until much later into development. (as was the case for many other pokemon. Gold espeon is cute!) But, knowing they had things to advertise and merc to make, they likely sent out information about the legendaries, including stuff for the TCG, which would go on to include things like flavor text for Entei mentioning its "Bark." (One of the big bits of evidence I saw people using for the Legendary Dog arguments in my neck of the woods) With little smatterings of dog-related terminology, ot makes sense that people would go with what felt concrete and official. But yeah, while I think they're definitely more cat*like* as a whole, "Beasts" is best. They're a trio of walking menageries

[@Dan_-]

Well, two are cats and one is a dog. So the more general "beast" is the only name that works for the group.

[@herowither12354]

​@@Dan_- The dog is only half dog, as it's based on a lion dog.

[@Dan_-]

@@herowither12354 No, the dog is entirely a dog because it's a wolf. The other two are a lion and a saber-tooth tiger.

[@herowither12354]

@@Dan_- No, there is a Sabertooth, a Kirin (Cat/Deer/Dragon), and a Lion Dog. Not a single wolf among the beasts.

[@Dan_-]

@@herowither12354 If Suicune wasn't supposed to be a wolf, they shouldn't have made it look like a wolf. I don't care if the designer said years after the fact that his inspiration was the kirin and the leopard. It doesn't look even slightly like any of that. You'd never know it was supposed to be any of that if he hadn't said so. What he drew ended up being a wolf. I'm happier with it being a good wolf design than a bad whatever-other-thing design.

[@KaiCyreus]

for anyone that doesn't know, the "Legendary Birds" do have an official title - the Winged Mirages

[@vivianlopez9436]

wat

[@douglasandrews8977]

They are actually both official terms.