Pokémon Scarlet and Violet's BIGGEST Inconsistency EXPLAINED!

[@HoopsandHipHop]

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[@NeverMeltIce]

RiddlerKhu already confirmed that Paradox Pokémon are in-fact incarnations of the Professor’s deepest desires and imaginations.

[@NeverMeltIce]

You’re mentioning the order incorrectly again. Pokédex order and lore order are both: Raikou, Entei, Suicune.

[@Primordialsoap]

@@NeverMeltIce this is why I won’t subscribe to the channel

[@ldmtag]

Dude, you just given a real cool explanation without noticing it! You pointed out that Raikou symbolises the lightning, Entei - fire and Suicune - rain. This means the legend is just sort of poetic pseudo explanation why the hell those overpowered doggos are walking all over the region! There was no pokemon in that fire, Raikou, Entei and Suicune just simply live in that tower basement because it's simply comfortable for them!

[@ldmtag]

​@@NeverMeltIce did he really confirm that?

[@chronic_daydreamer]

Walking Wake was not “seen” by anyone. The Book explicitly states it was drawn from imagination, from what tickled the fancy of the artist.

[@MikeTheEnforcer]

Or the artist saw three of them, but only saw bits and pieces of them. And drew said pieces together.

[@chronic_daydreamer]

@@MikeTheEnforcer Just read the entry from the Book. It’s entirely from imagination. There was no source material. No comparable creature was seen by the artist. It was inspired by the ferocity of the Pokémon in Area Zero.

[@chronic_daydreamer]

@@MikeTheEnforcer “A drawing of a fantastical Pokémon as envisioned by our sketch artist. The size and ferocity of the strange Pokémon that dwell in Area Zero's lower reaches tickled the artist's imagination, prompting this sketch of what other species that inhabit these depths might look like.”

[@GoinGreninja]

@@MikeTheEnforcer It's mere luck that his drawings even have a small part of it be true.

[@NeverMeltIce]

You’re right. It is indeed confirmed to be Imaginary-based, by reliable leaker RiddlerKhu. The leaker said that the whole Paradox Pokémon phenomenon is due to a similar situation in the 2009 anime movie, King of Thorn. This anime movie is about a bunch of people who go into suspended animation due to a virus that has come from outer space. They wake up in the near future, and realise that the world has become inhabited by strange monsters and vines everywhere. It turns out that the first person who was infected by the virus was actually able to dream up these monsters and vines etc…her imagination came to life. So yeh…it more or less confirms that whatever Terapagos or it’s baby-forme are doing….they’re probably from outer space and were on the comet that struck Paldea millions of years ago. It was not until the explorers (and later on the professors) went down there that Terapagos started to fabricate the imaginations of these people who were within its proximity. This includes the fabrications of the Professor’s AI clone and the alleged “Time Machine”. The Time Machine was not ‘real’ but a means for Terapagos to still send the Imagined Pokémon to the professors. The professors though it was real…but Terapagos could not in-fact make it…it just kept it looking as if future or past -Pokémon were being teleported.

[@santiagotombesi3653]

I still think paradox pokemon are something that "should not exist" thus the paradox in their name... Imaginary or not, I don't think they are either from the past nor the future

[@Super_NoHero]

Paradox isn’t is their name it’s just used to categorize them in the Dex

[@TheAntiSanta]

I think it makes more sense for a series that's already established Time Travel as a thing you can do, to use Time Travel as the explanation for what happened when someone tried to make a Time Machine, than it does for someone to accidentally create imaginary creatures when they tried to build a Time Machine.

[@aleksabanjevic8316]

My theory is the time machine didn't lead to our timelins past and future but an alternate one, so in walking wake, ho oh revived a t rex like pokemon and not a dog/panther one This gen introduced convergent pokemon, and I think what most of this are, not actual convergent pokemon tho, but pokemon from different time lines that happen to look like our worlds modern pokemon

[@mattrogers6932]

The fact those Pokemon are known as paradoxes themselves make the lores of them so much more interesting. I don't feel like gamefreak will follow or continue that storyline past the Gen 9 main games, but shiiiiit there's so much potential here. God, times like this makes me wish Pokemon was a little more lore and story driven

[@Rajd_is]

should not exist but it does thanks to the time machine

[@GoinGreninja]

They're paradoxes, as in not real, cannot exist. Suicune existed because of the burning of the Burned Tower. And no, it's not the one who burned at the tower. The stories explicitly say that they're catlike creatures and there were three of them. It could be imaginary but what's most likely is that they just look alike, that's literally all. Convergent evolution does happen where the same trait comes forth in many different trees. For example, bats, birds and insects flew with different techniques.

[@goldensimp7729]

WE LITERALLY GOT CONVERGENT EVOLUTION AS A THEME THIS REGION! WIGGLET AND TOADSCOOL! Hell we even got a convergent legendary trio with the birds in Galar

[@GoinGreninja]

@@goldensimp7729 This is a different convergent evolution. Which means evolving new purposes independently, similar to Convergent Pokémon but not exactly.

[@bellingtoned]

Yup i thought the whole community was smart enough to know what the word paradox means

[@Boykeeplays]

​@@goldensimp7729 paradox pokémon, regional forms, and convergent pokémon are 3 different things

[@user-fd3vn5yq3h]

Paradox suicune is cut content readded without its original story, my best guess is that originally this suicune would have been the plot device to explain the truth behind area zero and paradox pokemon

[@diostaku2]

Honestly I was surprised to realize that much of the Pokemon fandom had no idea what the word "Paradox" meant.🤨 I mean, I always assumed it was common knowledge or something lol.

[@TerraEmperor1]

Words are hard 🙃

[@roboninjasaur6729]

Ikr lol

[@aleksabanjevic8316]

Jigglypuffs ancestor lived before kabutops? Ye sure A robot with magnets and screws had ancestors? Ye fine An alien made a spaceship that looks like volcorona? No problem Animals evolving in to robots? Why not A reseracted dog has an animal that slightly looks like it? THAT MAKES NO SENSE gee, it's like when things don't make sense in time travel they are called a paradox...

[@diostaku2]

@@aleksabanjevic8316 Yeah I know, you definitely need a PhD to figure something like that out.

[@TerraEmperor1]

@@aleksabanjevic8316 paradoxical indeed

[@PedroAlvarez-gp3ii]

Yeah, people who think this didn't play the game and take Occulture's entries as if they were Pokédex entries. Paradox Pokémon ain't from the past or future. Even Arven talks about this inconsistency. And that's not hidden at all, it is literally in the game's lore. Walking Wake is an imagined Pokémon, just like the other Paradox mons. And it doesn't even have to look like the drawing we see, even Iron Treads/Great Tusk vary greatly.

[@TheMajinGames]

Try to have consistency when Eevee is able to evolve to Leafon in Galar with a Leaf Stone that exists since gen 1 xD Or Magnezone evolving with a Thunder Stone too. Also, try to wait for an explanation, when they said nothing about the hisuian forms disappearing from sinnoh xD

[@gustavju4686]

The latter is easier to come up with a theory that makes sense. Like low population and over hunting or displacement by humans.

[@oskarsodergren7033]

its a paradox, its not supposed to make sense and I wouldn't expect an "explanation" in the dlc

[@GoinGreninja]

And if there was, they'd most likely go to the imagination angle and say that Terapagos's power made them all exist. It's unlikely that we'll get any other explanation, though not impossible.

[@Star-Bubbles123]

Walking Wake and Iron Leaves do not have dex entries. There is 100% going to be something explaning them in either the first or second dlc.

[@GoinGreninja]

@@Star-Bubbles123 First? No. Most of it takes place in Kitakami, a region somewhere in Japan which is speculated to be between Sinnoh and Johto, as in nowhere near where they should be, which is in Paldea. The second DLC may do something with it. But more likely, it's just a cool reward with not too much going for it in terms of plot.

[@Star-Bubbles123]

@GoinGreninja Do you think they won't be given dex entries? Why? They're clearly the equivalent of the galarian slowpoke in swsh, which did end up getting its own dex in the first dlc of that game. I do agree it's more like that they're going to do it in the second one rather than the first one though.

[@GoinGreninja]

@@Star-Bubbles123 I just think that they're a cute add and nothing else. Of course I'd like to be wrong. But in that case, what would they do exactly? Why do they exist? Why should they exist?

[@DenisLuiz96]

Biologist here. I think Walking Wake is not even related to Suicune, It's a creature that filled a similar niche to Suicune in the past and therefore evolved similar characteristics to it. It's a Convergent Form.

[@mamutepeq]

Exactly, just like real dromaeosaurs filled in the Cretaceous the niche cats do today, with some like Utahraptor being bulky like tigers and others like Velociraptor being light and fast like Felis spp. It even makes sense with Suicune being a leopard and Walking Wake being this fast feathered theropod type dinosaur.

[@silvershock2353]

its an interesting topic, my head canon since the paradox legends came out is, walking wake & paradox Entei/Raikou where ancient legends that once served the same purpose as modern counterparts but for unknown reasons passed away, then when Ho-oh revived the pokemon 150 years ago it gave the newly revived pokemon the essence of those past legends. As for those pokemon that died when the tower burnt you could be right with them being pokemon we have yet to see and we might even find out about them in a Legends game.

[@jorgemiguelmilano1535]

Here's a theory. What if Terapagos is the Pokémon world's Philosopher's Stone? And Paradox Pokémon are the somewhat homonculi version of "contemporary" and "well-known" Pokémon? I mean Terastalization is kinda like transmutation.

[@tyfan1000]

Walking wake is the true definition of paradox

[@aleksabanjevic8316]

Jigglypuffs ancestors lived before kabutops, a robot with magnets has an ancestor, animals evolving in to robots, an alien made a space ship in the shape of volcorona... It's almost like all of them don't make sense in therms of time travel and are paradoxes, and that's why they are called past paradox and future paradox and not just past and future

[@tyfan1000]

@@aleksabanjevic8316 Its like time paradox, no one know how they start

[@beastmaster0934]

Maybe when Ho-Oh resurrected the modern legendary beasts all those years ago, he used the essence of the ancient legendary beasts, giving them the forms that we all know.

[@chrishollingsworth7249]

My theory is that Ho-oh has a habit of resurrecting pokemon that die tragically and everytime they do it, the resulting pokemon always have the same features granted to them by Ho-oh. This would mean that Walking Wake and Suicune are not related at all. Their similarities are only due to their shared connection with Ho-oh.

[@scornlok9321]

It's so funny that everyone seems to keep ignoring what riddler the leaker said about the paradox pokemon that they where brought into existence by the turtle legendary pokemon and so walking wake is not related to the legendary beasts other then he has some similarities to them. Though I guess the story will be completed once the dlc drops then people will get their answers and can stop saying walking wake is wrong and shouldn't exist.

[@chronic_daydreamer]

Exactly! It’s a Paradox! He’s misinterpreting the definition. They’re called paradoxes because they don’t make sense. They might appear to be from different times, APPEARING to be true, but upon investigation you learn they are a deception. Hence a paradox. They are real but they aren’t. A fabrication, pardon the pun.

[@keiviroque5666]

That would make the most sense, considering how the games never actually directly say that paradox Pokémon are past or future forms of Pokémon, just that they resemble some Pokémon.

[@javierruiz118]

Hajaja exactly man. Or another easy explanation: Ho-oh liked the design of Walking Wake so much that he created Suicune from that “paradox” pokemon that he encountered millions of years ago. And thats that! 😂😂😂

[@chronic_daydreamer]

@@javierruiz118 There is a theory that Terapagos is inspired by the Akashic Records which would mean it would have knowledge of all Pokémon across all of time as well as the knowledge and power to make its imaginations or those of others reality. It’s a Fantasy into Reality situation.

[@TheAntiSanta]

@@chronic_daydreamer Paradoxes can exist in real life. Just look at all the [member of political party] who're also a [member of a group that same political party wants to eradicate].

[@theknightwithabadpictotall7639]

People are still trying to make sense of PARADOX Pokémon?

[@purehyper124]

The people in the game don't know or understand where paradox Pokémon come from, but the inconsistency is poof of all paradox Pokémon being crated from imagination by tropes.

[@silversonic1]

Perhaps "Walking Wake" would make more sense to fans if they would all just say aloud, "This Paradox Pokemon is a paradox!" Additional: Time travel, multiverse, futuristic science and magic all exist in the Pokemon franchise. A Suicune could have been sent to the past by Celebi, Dialga, Arceus, or any number of Pokemon with time powers. Or Bill. Or the Professors. Seriously. Plenty of ways to explain, so long as you remember how many open doors there are in the franchise. Also, I think there's a very good reason we're never flat out given the answers for many of the greatest mysteries of Pokemon. Simply put, the franchise is all about sparking curiosity and discovery in the minds of people young and old. What discovery is there if we have the answers handed to us?

[@purehyper124]

If heath saw walking wake he would of dawned a image of each individual, not a combination of an imagery beast.

[@chunkysaurus785]

I think People are overthinking this whole Issue pokemon is not a Story based Game So Maybe where not Supposed to think about it

[@Tony2-Dirty]

Considering Pokémon established that alternate universes/timelines exist with Sun/Moon & Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, my thing is that Paradox Pokémon do come from the past or future, just not that specific _game’s_ past or future. I think that what the Terastal Time Machine is actually doing is taking Pokémon from different points in the past of other universes cause, and this is specifically for Scarlet, if these were from the ancient past, wouldn’t professors already know about them? Like fossil Pokémon exist, yet no one has found a fossil of Great Tusk anywhere? That’s why I believe they are described in the book as “imaginary” cause they never existed in this universe, but in another universe, those people are probably like “Oh yeah, that’s just an evolution of Donphan that they used to be able to evolve to but stop due to genetic issues.”

[@JulianCaesaro]

Glad I’m not the only one who thought of theses things. After all, there’s a reference to megas & yet that doesn’t lead people to think about Looker somehow, the gen where he actually started to make sense and get an actual backstory

[@TheAntiSanta]

A whole lot of things have to go the right way for a fossil to be created. The absence of any fossil record of a creature, does not mean it doesn't exist.

[@Tony2-Dirty]

@@TheAntiSanta I mean yea, but considering how advance the Pokémon world is presented at most times, it would be suspect that out of the various Pokémon they’ve successfully resurrected to the point where the rock type leader in X/Y is a whole ass archeologist, they haven’t found anything of these supposed past relatives of these present day Pokémon.

[@purehyper124]

Even though it is possible that suicune gos to other regions, suicune did not exist in the ancient past, so there cannot be an ancient suicune, so this is proof that walking wake is just now created!

[@aspiringwayfarer]

Couldn't the paradox forms of the beasts (Walking Wake, and the other 2 so far unreleased Pokémon) just be the 3 Pokémon that perished in the fire at the Brass Tower? and then Ho-oh revived them as Suicune, Entei, and Raiku? that makes sense to me... they might not have changed since they were in the ancient past, up until that point, when the Tower was burned and they got resurrected.

[@deletedaccount7]

I'm pretty sure they've already shown the outlines though with silhouettes of when they were trapped inside the burning tower and they definitely don't match up with the new paradox form ESPECIALLY when it comes to size. Edit: yeah they definitely did, i just seen the clip of it in this video playing in the background including the silhouette part.

[@jamesgood5265]

i had the same thought

[@InvaltidWord]

@@deletedaccount7 that's not confirmed though, it seems like pokemon generations just went with some generic looking silhouettes, not designed to establish any lore, so aspiringwafarers point still stands

[@deletedaccount7]

@@InvaltidWord it doesn't confirm the design, but i would say it's enough for the general size of the Pokemon to be confirmed. + The way it describes it says that ho-oh revived them to resemble the lightning, fire, and rain. It implies it changed how they looked when reviving them which would also mean as a general their original forms wouldn't look the same as their new forms.

[@Rajd_is]

3 Legendary Creatures (ancestors of legendary dogs) -> died billion years ago 3 Legendary Dogs (descendants of 3 Legendary Creatures) -> died in a fire in brass tower -> got revived by Ho-oh, what awakened their primal genes, making them more powerful, and similiar to their Ancestors Got it?

[@sarodanadian9948]

Maybe it’s a convergent evolution it just looks like Suicune but has no real connection like Wiglett. Or maybe Walking Wake isn’t from the past at all and is actually a futuristic descendant of Suicune that had to adapt to harsh conditions.

[@purehyper124]

8:10 to 8:23 Now your saying a legendary evolved into a normal pokemon that was revived back into a legendary!!

[@purehyper124]

Pokemon change completely over that amount of time so the ancestor would be completely different! Also the past form would not be infused by the legendary version!

[@thealancorp.2394]

Gen 2 Psychic animation is so satisfying

[@Chanchan19494]

Why does everyone think the paradox forms are “ancestors” of their modern counterparts? Like it’s in the name: PARADOX. They are not ancestors. They are paradoxes that exist because of the scarlet and violet book being involved in time travel shenanigans with the professors. Also, the legendary beast paradox’s definitely aren’t ancestors because they were imagined by the artist

[@Chadegon1693]

The existance of a functioning time machine is in itself a paradox tho

[@Chanchan19494]

@@Chadegon1693 totally! Everything about the lore of this game is a mystery. Who knows if it’s even a “Time Machine”.

[@madnessarcade7447]

Suicune one actually fits In our real world there were a lot of mammals who appeared more reptilian like back then because it was suited for survival and overtime they evolved to no longer need it Raikou entei suicune in their original forms all shared a common ancestor and when ho-oh revived them it tapped into their Primal Dormant DNA and reawakened the aspects that ho-oh figured would suit them best in their current state

[@RoyArkon]

Your reptilian-mammal point is actually news to me, great point dude.

[@LostSoulNexus]

Nice more or less same theory as me

[@damonpono8337]

We know here are multiple suicune in the anime, I would assume not all of them were created by ho-oh therefore allowing them to have naturally evolved from walking wake

[@GoinGreninja]

The anime canon and the game canon are not the same. In the games, there're most likely one of each of them.

[@Maothen]

I thought the video was gonna be about how the drawing of Walking Wake looked absolutelly nothing like the real deal.

[@GoinGreninja]

That's because the drawing was made out of pure imagination, of the want to see an unknown creature deep in Area Zero. But Walking Wake looks different because they're both extremely rare and the artist didn't draw them because they looked at them. That's the easy answer to this, essentially.

[@stevenpedersen1505]

Possible explanation is that when Ho-oh resurrected them, it awakened those dormant ancient cells within them which allowed Suicine and Walking Wake to look similar but also different.

[@Chadegon1693]

I had literally the same thoughts, and when i tried to explain it to people they got *really* angry about it because "that doesnt make sense"

[@Appy2BeHere]

Even with the upcoming DLC that will hopefully explain this situation in its entirety, I really do like the idea of Walking Wake being an ancient ancestor of Suicune's first form. On that note, I can't help but think of the idea that maybe Ho-oh's resurrection required triggering some degree of what would later be identified as Primal Reversion to superpower the original forms of the Beasts into Entei, Raikou and Suicune respectively. Just a thought, but I can't wait to see the final explanation!

[@AerialHoopGuy]

I like your theory, it makes some sense that the unknown Pokemon that died were just undiscovered and never documented before, and changed after Ho-oh resurrected them into more powerful versions of what they once were, while also receiving traits from their ancestors.

[@buckstoeffler8363]

I think the issue is that everyone assumes that Walking Wake and Suicune are related at all. My personal theory is that when Ho-oh revive the three pokemon, it gave them powers and abilities derived from these Prehistoric Beasts. Ho-oh's basically a god, so who knows how long they've been alive; maybe they were around millions of years ago, and knew Waking Wake and the other two and missed them.

[@FTChomp9980]

Paradox Pokemon aren't from the original timeline like what Tam Valley Productions said highly recommend hearing his theory to but he suggests Walking Wake comes from a different Johto where it is Prehistoric somewhere in the Pokemon Multiverse.

[@misamisaa4547]

Personally I just want this to be a hint for a new legends game for either Johto or Unova 😭

[@arktossutcliff4985]

Walking Wake is definitelly one of my favourite Legendaries now, I just really love its design, and judge me, more, than normal Suicune one

[@purehyper124]

The reason these are paradoxs is duo to being created today but like it is from another time, causing confusion, so this is only seemingly paradox pokemon. Also it says when proven, not theorize, to be true!!

[@Lupinemancer87]

Just because the three Pokemon were unknown doesn't mean they were new Poekmon we have never seen before, they could have been Houdours, or Bellsprouts. They key here is we don't KNOW what they were. They could also have been older forms, like the Hisuian forms, that no longer exists, or, assuming the Past Paradox Pokemon are actual ancestors, they might have looked close to, or flat out similar to Walking Wake, and whatever the two others would have looked like. For all we know, Walking Wake and the two others would have been the ancestors of three speices of Pokemon that were quite common in the past (like the Hisuian forms) but are no longer around. Those could have been the Pokemon that died in that tower. I hope we get more info on this in the future, if not in the DLC then hopefully in another Legends game set in Ancient Johto.

[@ShinyHunterSolyu]

I at least am betting on that if entei and raikou are gonna get their own paradox enteis will have a “f” on their title for fire type and raikou will have double “e” for its electric typing. I do think it’s an ancient form I don’t believe the imagination theory.

[@purehyper124]

Saying this really is from the past with no poof of it existing back then because there would be fossils, and would of become a different pokemon intarly by now, with how fast pokemon evolve, just look at legends arceus, and could not even become suicune on its own! So what ever suicune was before was not legendary and has an unalters or nonrelated ancestry!

[@undrhil]

This just means that walking awake is the paradox form of the original pokemon that became sweetcune. "walking wake"

[@J.A.D.A.4709]

Neutral: I’m definitely gonna have ultimate depression when I have to leave Nemona for the transfer school🥺

[@Sub.Prof_JixL]

Funny hoops😂😂😂 even scientist can't explain PARADOXES, it always leads to dead end... Love your videos always...

[@ryanolphie2166]

I think paradox Pokémon being imaginary makes better sense to me (I've had this theory even before Walking Wake was reviled). But to be fair, the pokedex doesn't always seem to be 100% accurate. I mean some of the entries on a few of the paradox Pokémon seem spotty if not unsure of itself, and lets not forget how the poekdex ignores the truth about the four fossil Pokémon from Sword and Shield

[@GoinGreninja]

Paradox Pokémon don't've much of a Dex entry and instead take info from Occulture magazine, a magazine which is known by many to be run by conspiracy theorists. Which is to say, the information given is unlikely to be true.

[@ryanolphie2166]

@@GoinGreninja more to my point, but yea. Truth is that there are several possible expiation about them, and I wouldn't be surprised that the games don't give us a proper explanation

[@GoinGreninja]

@@ryanolphie2166 I believe they'll give some type of explanation but it won't be too deep and won't be too out there.

[@Mattdoc15210]

It’s tax season gotta do what you gotta do round this mf

[@chr1s415]

What you mean?

[@SheldsenDave]

Yet again this guy omits the FACT that the drawing was a conceptual sketch from an artist on the expedition

[@katsumiskytower8714]

ho-oh REVIVED them, it didn't CREATE them. there's no reason why suicune couldn't have existed in the past.

[@gustavju4686]

Revived and transformed them. Well, transfigured them is probably the more fitting them.

[@alfiesmullet1311]

Maybe ho oh just took inspiration from walking wake when creating suicune

[@GoinGreninja]

Why would a Walking Wake have a lineage long enough for it to meet Ho-oh and why in the hell would it take that one creature as inspiration for three creatures when it burned to death?

[@alfiesmullet1311]

@@GoinGreninja it's not known how long ho oh has been around.. and we might get past paradoxes of raikou and entei in the DLC that could have inspired the other 2

[@GoinGreninja]

@@alfiesmullet1311 I'll grant you that Ho-oh may've a long lifespan. But what in Sam hell would convince those three past dinosaurs to be together in a tower, die and make Ho-oh think that they deserve a second shot at life? Doesn't this all sound utterly implausible?

[@alfiesmullet1311]

@GoinGreninja when I say he took inspiration I don't mean they were in the tower.. just that maybe ho oh chose to make whatever did die there look similar to the paradox pokemon he might have remembered from his past when he resurrected them

[@GoinGreninja]

@@alfiesmullet1311 You think Ho-oh lived for over a million years to have a glanced sight of a Walking Wake? It may've a long lifespan but not something ridiculous. Only a few groups of Legendary Pokémon have such immense vitality like the Weather Trio.

[@jeddy936]

I like how the very definition of paradox is ignored almost entirely in this conversation

[@alejandrorivero7558]

Even if Walking Wave isn't Suicune's ancestor, it was introduced in the same generation where convergent evolution appeared. It could be that Suicune was created to be similar to Walking Wave making it a kind of convergent evolution

[@kasumiayanami4501]

My simplest explanation: Roaring moon looks like Mega Salamence, mega stones having a tendency to wake up dormant evolutionary genes within Pokémon. Ho-Oh resurrecting Suicune probably woke up a dormant gene that made it resemble Walking Wake more

[@Xkittyloverr1997]

I like that! Basically, Ho-Oh forced a permanent mega evolution because it might have benefited them in the long term, unlike some other mega evolutions that don't, or even harm the pokemon

[@BigM5304]

Something I’d like to mention is Mewtwo got a mega despite mega stones being created 3000 years ago and Mewtwo existing for only a few decades. I don’t think they’ve ever really cared to much about things making total sense 🤷‍♂️

[@rikmetz4720]

Walking can also be a suicune having been trapped in area zero too long, causing it to transform into walking wake, due to the energy in area zero. This could be the case to every paradox pokemon. But then what about the other non paradox pokemon species in area zero. Well they could have been there not long enough for that to have happened.

[@gustavju4686]

Suicune is only 150~ years old, so it isn't too old either

[@LightshaperQ]

This is a brilliant theme. It’s like how no has ever seen a dinosaur…yet we created sketches as to what they may look like. So much that we actually believe we know the creature appearance due to technology all while NEVER seeing one in real time. The Pokémon Company KNEW this would be a frenzy 🤣

[@bastionsea2829]

We've been assuming that there's three different creatures that were resurrected into the cats of Johto. What if was just three 'Walking Wake'resurrected to the difference forms?

[@kitsuneofelements6947]

Something interesting about the paradox legendary beasts, is that Walking Wake is the only bipedal one of the trio. Both Gouging Fire and Raging Bolt are quadrupeds, just like Entei and Raikou. Walking Wake on the other hand, is a bipedal Pokémon that stands on its hind legs. Wonder why that is.

[@zinzolin14]

At this point, I wonder if Walking Wake is more of a convergent species with Suicune, similar to Wiglett and Toedscool, while also being a Paradox Pokémon.

[@murasakibebeby3127]

Thank you.

[@raspyraccoon6530]

I still think the simplest explanation is they’re just from a different timeline, hence “paradox.”

[@perritoshido5845]

It’s still more likely that they are imaginary, people seem to forget that Heath exploration group discovered paradox Pokémon even before the Time Machine was built

[@dylankelligan7811]

See my head canon for the legendary beasts is that 3 pokemon died in the fire and the paradox forms for the legendary beasts gave up their lives to ho-oh so that they could be reborn. In doing so, the 3 pokemon became the new legendary beasts and took on a similar form to the paradox legendary beasts. It works better if they were eeveelutions because that would explain how they went from reptiles to mammals.

[@gywii]

Seriously? Honestly, there are so many more things that are way bigger plot holes than this. People be whilin!

[@Almightynikey]

What if since Kitakami is Japan themed, we see the unknown pokemon that Ho-oh revived? Maybe itll be like a cyclizar situation where its closely related to Suicuine, Raikou and Entei

[@chasemeek7418]

It could also be that ho oh just turned vaporeon into an "evolved" version of walking wake. Like, ho oh used walking wake as inspiration for the vaporeon's transformation. Therefore making walking wake a predecessor to suicune

[@joon0]

Here's an idea: The 3 Pokémon that died had evolution in the past but at some point lost the ability to evolve (something we've seen already). The paradox Pokémon is one of those evolutions. When the 3 Pokémon died, Ho-Oh used the dormant genes for their past evolved forms as a template to create the Legendary Beasts.

[@benjaminacuna8013]

It might not be a paradox it could be a convergent being

[@satan21695]

I thought walking wake is the mysterious pokemon hooh revive....

[@Splitspine1]

I didnt even know there was DLC for it yet -_-

[@brianmidkiff5408]

There is no way this theory is correct. The paradox pokemon have lore that makes no sense. They are obviously products of some kind of imagination-generator. Why people refuse to believe this, I’ll never know

[@ThisAintGood.]

I always thought of it as Walking Wake evolved to be that dog creature that died, and then Ho-oh revived it to become Suicune

[@benjaminacuna8013]

While the eevelution theory hasn’t been confirmed there are no other trio of these three elementals quadrupeds in the Pokémon universe at this time so while some are skeptical, we are still missing a Fire and Water quadruped

[@RoyArkon]

Excellent video, honestly this explanation is actually very simple and yet this makes perfect sense, as if like super obvious. I do also believe we might get the official explanation in the DLC, or maybe the next game is gonna be Legends Johto, but as of right now, this explanation makes perfect sense.

[@Gazing-09]

Personally, I imagined that Walking Wake and Suicune are and aren't related. I imagined that Walking Wake and Ho-Oh may have crossed path before but an incident may have caused Walking Wake's passing but right as it was about to pass, Ho-Oh saved the soul of Walking Wake (and perhaps the Paradox forms of Entei and Raikou) and used the resurrection of the 3 unknown Pokemons of the Burnt Tower to resurrect not only the unknown Pokemons but also the Paradox Pokemons, fusing them together in the process.

[@sarodanadian9948]

Then why do the other two bear no resemblance

[@Gazing-09]

@@sarodanadian9948 About that, I figured that Ho-Oh may have come across the Paradox forms of Entei & Raikou. But as there's no Paradox forms of those two yet, it's just a theory that may be completely wrong.

[@Zlitchufdux]

It dawns on me for an idea for a second. What is Raikou, Entei and Suicune used to exist, and for some reason they got wiped out, right? Then, for a long period of time, decades, centuries or whatever, they did not exist, and then there was a time Ho-Oh decided (or was given the go) to resurrect them? Not that they are fossils, no, they just stopped existing due to situations, someone wiped them out, they died out or something. The only way to resurrect them was to use a tragic situation to bring them back. That is a story they could run with I suppose to justify their existence.

[@katies7158]

My head cannon is that the paradox mons of the past were sent from the future. It's the only way I can wrap my mind around there being mons a billion years ago when they were only first studied in France in the 18th century

[@rosaforcers2595]

In my sleepy dream I thought that we were going to school, but it was the opposite, we arrived to a festival and I got a Emolga mask. Sadly, the dream ended as my friends and I stopped to eat some good food😅. By the way, I think that we're 6 months away to enjoy the DLC of this year.

[@FukuritaMariko]

I asume when Ho-Oh revived the three beast it must have also revived an ancient genetic in there cellular structure making them access powers that were long sense gone through there species and changed them to fit this newly found power.

[@spectrolite9986]

What of the paradox Suicine that was drawn in that book is the new terra form in the dlc? Other beast such entei and riakou can be captured in the dlc and somehow can be fused or some sort of mechanic make them change form into primal beast in one.

[@escalaregalia]

It's almost as if "paradox" is in the name of Paradox Pokemon...

[@socheathsun]

I believe theyre imagined pokemon made into real life using genetics and characteristixs of different pokemon. I believe the turtle pokemon's origin gave pokemon their abilities...

[@Kanji101]

Ho-oh didn’t create a new Pokémon. Ho-oh only created the legendary beast that we see and catch in Johto. We know that there are multiple of each legendary beast. That is Canon. That’s why they have shiny versions. Goh even got one.

[@CrazyAztekX3]

this can also be a different timeline, just like mega evolutions in omegaruby and alphasapphire, and how it exist there and not in the ruby, sapphire and emerald…

[@thatmessy132]

Or, seeing as Walking Wake was seen 50 years before the tower fire... the last one was one that died in the fire? Ho-oh upgraded it so that it could outlive its destiny.

[@gerry8381]

it's called paradox and not past/future pokemon for a reason, it's "alternate" form, kind of multiverse version of these pokemon

[@T1gerTaylor]

If you look at roaring moon, it bears a striking resemblance to mega Salamance, a powered up version of salamance itself. Could it be that suicune, because it is a powered up version of the mystery pokemon, bears certain features that walking wake has that mystery pokemon wouldn't? And maybe walking wake looks a lot more like suicune (and vice versa) than the mystery Pokémon because of how powerful Ho-oh potentially is? Could mega evolution be unlocking more powerful past versions of Pokémon, and could Ho-oh's resurrection be somewhat like mega evolution? Just some food for thought.

[@HyperManSP]

This argument has been made before and it has been refuted before. Your argument relies on just as much (if not more) guesswork as traditional fan-theories about the legendary beasts and paradox pokemon. While this could be true, it is not likely, and would be the most cliched and lazy lore explanation for the paradox pokemons' existence, not to mention fly in the face of implied lore that pokemon has allowed to proliferate among fans for decades - which they are allowed to do - but isn't smart.

[@echomaestro3664]

I think maybe heath brought his Pokémon into area zero, met terapogas, helped it, and terapagos might have granted it a wish or something like that, and heath wanted to either bring the past or future into the present, (ik that’s like the professors thing but he might have had that dream as well or terapagos simply offered it to him) terapagos turned his Pokémon into what heath had imagined they would look like as their past/future forms. However, heath could then either be attacked by these Pokémon or be imprisoned by terapagos as a condition of the deal or get greedy and turn out not pure of heart or something like that. This would work for both scarlet and violet, I think so ye idk

[@Mario87456]

Walking Wake is a PARADOX POKÉMON that’s the WHOLE POINT of a Paradox Pokémon they AREN’T supposed to make any sense. It’s HEAVILY implied that Terapagos has been creating them in some way.

[@fotisexarchos5418]

People really need to understand the meaning of "paradox". In Greek it derives from the prefix para- ,which a lot of times means "against something" and "doxa"(δόξα) which in modern Greek means "fame" but in ancient Greek it derived from the word "doko (δοκώ) which means "accept" thus giving it the meaning of "accepted opinion". Thus, a paradox is something that goes against accepted reality and, most of the time, is either illogical or contradictory.

[@JaybeePenaflor]

My theory is simpler: the burned pokemon are the three paradox pokemon, one of them being Walking Wake.

[@Star-Bubbles123]

How does a water/dragon type die in a fire?

[@Spencerguitarplayer]

@@Star-Bubbles123 so they were all grass mons?

[@Star-Bubbles123]

@@Spencerguitarplayer or something neutral to fire like normal.

[@BOBERTTTT]

I think that the past paradox pokemon are just mutated versions of pokemon who adapted to area zero

[@matthewwolfson7204]

I thought that it was only those 3 pokemon Ho-oh made into suicune entie and raikou. I thought it has been established they aren't the ONLY ones of those pokemon in the world. Just the ones in Johto were created that way.

[@circledude2362]

Explain jigglypuff's link with Kirby. Other then their looks and they float, kirby and jigglypuff have so many simularities.

[@angel27]

The original 3 legendary “dogs” were in the beta gold and silver. We have seen them and they are completely different Pokémon. En, Rai and Sui.

[@lowesgameing2003]

What if the pokemon that was made into suicune was a pre evolution to walking wake a long time ago?

[@BIox44]

What if we get the other prehistoric Beasts we can Combine them all in a Fusion. Like the sketch in the Book.

[@AustinHenryminecraft]

I hope one day game freak will reveal what pokemon became the legendary beasts

[@ErIcSaMpAiO36261000]

I really expect that the legendary from the expansion is the one creating these pokemon from imagination. As if Sada/Turo imagined how pokemon in the past/future would be.

[@hircineshunter5896]

The same gen that introduced convergent forms (Wiglet, Toedscool) also made imaginary ancient ancestors that couldn't exist eons ago and robotic descendants that definitely will all become so naturally and not robots become Pokémon. It all will happened and has happened because the mainline games have never used multiple layers of meaning behind anything ever