Pokémon Scarlet & Violet - All Past & Future Forms (Comparison)

[@ProximamonEldiosDigimon]

I like the fact that future forms are smaller than the original ones as a reference of with the improvement in technology things get smaller than old ones .

[@elashdieng6968]

I didnt catch that

[@showregular111]

@@pastapastel910 true

[@goblez5900]

You're talking about a robot vs a biological creature though.

[@STALKER777LK]

@@goblez5900 that... Also fits the logic.

[@grandempress1947]

It could also be a spacing issue within the dex image. But you could also be right

[@dpm2937]

I gotta go back in time. I love the futuristic style but the ancient forms just bang

[@gregorytaylor240]

Same man also I might buy Violet on Christmas Day or before Christmas idk man but The Past and Future forms of these pokemon looks good

[@amiiboguy7288]

Good luck with that, just hope someone in the past is meddling with space and time so Arceus can send you back in time

[@kgmc29]

So dang right. I was gonna buy violet but i change my mind

[@sun.flower_breezy]

Agree boi past form is 🔥 but i po violet 🥲

[@ElectrifiyFN]

I love the new tech styles but the past forms are lit

[@patrickthehenchman2679]

With the names of the past forms, I always interpreted the meaning of their names being like how early humans would call creatures like this during a time when proper naming and categorization of species wasn't invented yet. Kinda like how in Land Before Time, the dinosaurs all call each other by nicknames based on their physical appearance rather than their species name, like Long Necks, Three Horns, Fliers and Sharp Teeth and such. Same sorta thing here, and it made the past forms all the more fascinating to me. With the future forms though, as much as I like them, there's something about them that makes them seem kinda depressing (in a deep, slightly horrific way), and it stems from when you think about exactly what they are in relation to their names. Unlike the past forms names that come from a basic understanding of what a new creature looks like, the names of the future forms give off the idea that, in the distant future, Pokemon are seen as little more than utilities to be used rather than their own beings, so much so that they've been retrofitted into being literal robots, forever ensuring that they'd be seen as and referred to as nothing more than tools or weapons. It's the kind of future that N in Black and White would've feared that Pokemon would become had he and pre-twist Team Plasma not stepped in.

[@shiningpikachu4750]

Fuck…That caused me to pause

[@florianejouanin-bibiloni8352]

I had the same réaction... That's why i bought Scarlet and not Violet... Robot Pokemon make me very sad about it...

[@RubyTerrarian]

Robot Pokemon? Hell nah. -Me seeing these version exclusives

[@JDG562]

That's a good take and I love that you threw N's mindset in there because it makes a lot of sense

[@kevinstephenson3531]

I mean Iron Hands isn’t even technically a Pokémon it was an athlete before all that. I’ve thought that the future Pokémon are all like Genesect.

[@RandomGuy-yi2ym]

I love the detail they put in the names. People in the past tends to name creatures based on their body description while modern people tends to be straightforward cause it's efficient

[@Kyumifun]

These titles for names are also emphasizing on the fact we don't really know much about the paradox Pokémon and that they're named after what the old books/doubious magazines have called them.

[@haihuynh8772]

"Straightforward" because no one understands what the name was suppose to mean.

[@wazamdaggerfield8519]

I thought those are just silly nicknames this player came up with

[@MidBoss666]

Efficient or just lacking creativity? Much like the creatively bankrupt modern times.

[@haihuynh8772]

@@MidBoss666 Only people living under a rock and waiting to be spoonfed by corporations call this time we're in "creatively bankrupt".

[@KeepingThisPersonal]

Definitely liking the prehistoric forms much more. Just love their designs, but the futuristic volcarona is also very awesome. I love how with the wings levitating separately from its body it appears like the sun with shining rays.

[@TenTempeh]

Yep that volcarona is dope. Hydreigon is a big L tho

[@parkergreen2704]

Reminds me of an Aparoid from Starfox Assault.

[@KrystineChristenson]

I prefer the design of the past forms But I really like the shinies of the future forms

[@thenaruto2796]

Yeah I chose the wrong game 😂

[@hauntedwafflecake]

I like Slither Wing more. Truly my only regret with picking Violet. But Volcarona is always cool even as a robot, so I'm fine with that. I'm happy enough that it's one of the few pokemon that got to have both forms.

[@Nightshade923]

One thing to note is that Iron Valiant is actually supposed to be a mixture of both gardevoir and gallade. The blades are gallades but the hairband dress are gardevoirs. It also got rid of the psychic typing, but kept the 2 types that differentiated the 2, being fighting and fairy. And instead of being able to learn play rough, it keeps a high Special Attack and learns moonblast, a move gardevoir is known to have

[@reformedorthodoxmunmanquara]

One more thing to mention, its cry is also a combination of both of their cries

[@Drizzlefrog]

Another thing to add is the fact that Iron Valiant, like Roaring Moon, has heavy resemblance to the respective Pokémon's mega Evolution.

[@AndreaPancakes]

Mega Gallade

[@neeklmamp4955]

@cyber gooba no

[@raylenn4444]

@@OogaRequiem you meant mostly gardevoir

[@Did_No_Wrong]

Koraiden probably has the sickest looking shiny in the game so far.

[@6PathsGohan]

Yeah the black just looks so good on him

[@Uohhhh777]

No garchomp still is the best

[@guillermin1234]

@@Uohhhh777 Wdym it’s Gengar

[@sorry_no_one_here]

Uhh i think miraidon has the best shiny

[@WoffleDog]

@@sorry_no_one_here Nah they don't even change the chest colour (it's most attracting feature) and it's shiny colour is the same as all the other futuristic shinies. Lazy and lacking creativity unfortunately imo.

[@lordfreezer5631]

I like the fact that Salamence and Gallade's paradox forms resemble their mega evoltions

[@theermac6024]

Gallade paradox form looks more like a fusion between Gallade and Gardevoir to me tbh

[@woaaaaitisflynnnn2746]

It’s supposed to be for both of them, not just Gallade.

[@Notfallkaramell]

The closest we get to Megas returning. (Unless Kalos remakes, and maybe in Alola remakes, too.)

[@dstr001]

Well tbf megas are supposed to be a pokemons primal power released and given form, Groudon and Kyogre are even named as such, so it makes sense their mega forms resemble their ancient forms

[@Cake-o-Phony]

It suddenly makes sense why R. Moon and I. Valiant have twenty points more in their BSTs compared to the other average Paradoxes, and why they serve as the Ace of a certain Trainer. No idea why I never noticed sooner. 🤦‍♀️

[@miggyimperial1947]

Have you guys noticed the color coding of the glowing parts of the future forms? Iron Treads - Red Iron Moth - Orange Iron Hands - Yellow Iron Thorns - Green Iron Bundle - Blue Iron Jugulis - Purple Iron Valiant - Pink/Magenta Neat rainbow theming for these pokemon!

[@Zixinfinite]

Everything in the future is chrome.~ kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2jakmqliMt1mrs

[@sb6196]

I don't think they were aiming for rainbow they just wanted to give each one a different colour so they would stand out.

[@ismailcalsr2226]

oh shit you are right! i never noticed that because they are out of order!

[@Baburun-Sama]

If All fused into a Gaming Amalgamate, it would be... Iron Ultimatius - Rainbow (Color-Changing)

[@PolitoedFan9002]

Perfect Pokemon for pride month

[@azathothalter]

I like that Iron Valiant is like a fusion of Gardevoir and Gallade, and on top of that it fuses the types too

[@egaming1875]

Not too many people caught that it was a mixture of both, thanks for pointing that out

[@WilczycaCzarownica]

@@egaming1875 I noticed that too. Someone said that Iron Valiant is mega evolution of Gallade, but I definitely see mix Gardevoir and Gallade, not mega evolutions.

[@arandomthingintheabyss2062]

It goes the flow of gardivor and the blades of gallade

[@ruben62518]

Yoooo

[@ruben62518]

So is it officially a gallade or gardevoir? Or OFFICIALLY a fusion?

[@----S.]

Magikarp was one of the first pokemons to cite the past in its pokedex, its entry in fire red says, "In the distant past, it was a little stronger than the horribly weak descendants that exist today." That description alone makes me think of a high probability that we will have a magikarp paradox in the future. After all, we know how much nintendo loves kanto (read money through nostalgia).

[@natureisneat8262]

We were supposed to get a convergent evo of the Magikarp line

[@z0mgwtfbbqftwlawl]

Nah they'll abandon the past and future forms along with the crystallization feature in the new games just like how they abandon every other new gimmick the next generation.

[@----S.]

@@z0mgwtfbbqftwlawl DLCs: Hello there

[@primecreator5257]

Kanto is the best region, shut ya mouth.

[@dracoblizzard7944]

@@primecreator5257 Things aren't the best because they are iconic, that's literally what nostalgia bait is. Getting money by using things that are iconic. And other than being iconic, Gen 1 doesn't really have anything going for it. Sure, it has good designs, but most of them are middling at best and all the games have at least a few gems. The actual games suck, which isn't their fault, they're just old. And being the original, it's not like they introduced anything new. In fact, gen 1 probably has the most different systems as compared to any other generation than any other game. No items, abilities, special stat split, physical special split, no dark steel or fairy, no box art legendaries, etc.

[@AightImmaDip]

Yeah but can we just talk about how koraidon's shiny and its normal form has some AMAZING color schemes?

[@frostmint3584]

Hands down Most beautiful Pokemon so far, shiny and normal (for me He stole the Spot immediatly and now that I've Seen His shiny I can't wait for some kinda mystery Gift switcheroo cause this time I'm getting both Versions babyyy)

[@tyangchizzle]

Yeah. I saw shiny Koraidon and was like "Holy f-! That got my attention."

[@hydrosphagus9672]

Kory is my "instant buy" factor for Scarlet, definitely

[@jennapayne2986]

And then there’s Miraidon who literally just got their paint scrapped off

[@Lux_Senpai001]

I think koraidon in general is just an amazing design (minus ride form) and it's dragon/fighting but good this time (fuck kommo-o)

[@TheTrueJBru]

I think it's hilarious that Violet gets all the robotic-looking future 'mon, meanwhile Scarlet looked at Magneton (one of a few ACTUAL robot 'mon!) and thought "...caveman!"

[@PMbarbieri]

I think it's pretty clever, to be honest. Plus, Magneton is established to have existed as early as 3000 years before Pokémon XY, so who knows what it actually is.

[@ScaredEz]

@@PMbarbieri Magnet line is so bizarre. I’m remember seeing that Magnezone flying over Mt Coronet in PLA, and being like, “Wut…?”

[@cameoshadowness7757]

I think it has to do with natrual magnets? I'm mean even story wise they're pretty old.

[@aaryavaze1496]

They aren't artificial pokemon So them existing since old times is totally possible

[@zacziggarot]

Then among us having PokeBall designs is also kinda weird

[@wander7812]

Its cool seeing pokemons evolving like actual animals. It gives some extra immersion and realism to the world building.

[@azulesmalls5514]

Yes, all animals evolve into becoming robots lol. I agree that it does look cool tho.

[@seandewar47]

Thing is, there's aren't how these pokemon actually evolved, Paradox forms are the manifestations of Professor Sada/Turo think the past and future are like.

[@raime6990]

extra immersion and realism that must be the dumbest shit ive heard in a while XD

[@strife2746]

@@azulesmalls5514 Not just violet. Also the ancient forms and their modern form in Scarlet shows how they evolved like actual animals.

[@reesh2257]

Oh yes i love how giraffes have pixel eyes and butterly have wings of steel

[@BlueSunStudios1]

The way both the Prehistoric and Futuristic Paradox Pokémon have comparatively slower battle stance animations paints them both in a different light from modern contemporary Pokémon: the prehistoric ones having slower stances makes them look like vicious beasts just waiting for the chance to pounce and maul you to death, and the futuristic ones having slower stances makes them look like cold and calculating killing machines.

[@pqibkpq0o917kalj]

iron bundle , the killing machine

[@professorpoke]

@@pqibkpq0o917kalj 🤣🤣

[@johnmendez9525]

@@pqibkpq0o917kalj hey he got banned so yea

[@pqibkpq0o917kalj]

@@johnmendez9525 temp ban

[@johnmendez9525]

@@pqibkpq0o917kalj he’s not coming back lol

[@Speeddemon105]

The primal beasts of the past vs the robotic symbiotic meldings of the future. I think the past has my vote but the fact that we now have what are basically cybernetic infused pocket monsters is still pretty dang cool! I think we are going to see positives and negatives in terms of these "paradox" Pokemon by design, battle, and lore in equal measure. Neither really either better than the other in every respect.

[@lauralima862]

It's like that episode of SpongeBob all over again.

[@parkergreen2704]

@@lauralima862 Which one?

[@Tuukkis]

I think the future ones are just robots. They have no idle animation apart from "closing" their "eyes". They remain completely motionless when they're standing. Creepy

[@dustymcwari4468]

@@parkergreen2704 the one where Squidward freezes himself in the freezer and wakes up in the future, where everything’s color chrome, and SpongeBob is a mass produced robot

[@parkergreen2704]

@@dustymcwari4468 You mean SB-129?

[@ejto2994]

Just the fact that Cyclizar’s past and future forms are the legendary’s blow my mind.

[@KillrMonkey19]

Cyclizar was once a legendary in the past, but will become a legendary again in the future Actually sounds awesome

[@ejto2994]

For real, dude it really is

[@screenname6829]

NGL I didn't count koraidon or maraidon as legendaries

[@ejto2994]

@@screenname6829 I suppose they aren’t, except for koraidon, because it has an ability specifically made to power up and gain allies in battle while already having better stats than most. Miraidon is just Robo dog lizard thing lmao

[@dragozero]

I hope the paradox pokemon are not just a one off thing for this game and they keep it, these things are amazing design wise - especially the prehistoric forms

[@alexsuutari2388]

They definitely are a one off thing, considering how they tie into the plot.

[@alexandergotze3323]

Your best shot at more is with DLC

[@valemontgomery9401]

This is modern Pokémon we’re talking about, of course it’s gonna be a one off before they forget about it to move on to the next generation and gimmick next year

[@maybeperhaps2788]

@@valemontgomery9401 i think the best we can get is like region variant or something big but slightly different variant. That is somewhat consistent starting from s&m

[@josecerrud1079]

Sadly might end up forgetting about it…I don’t even know if they still keeping with the region Pokémon… n replace this with that.

[@cometcartoons8528]

If I had to give each of the paradox forms a name, it would be; Great Tusk - Tuskphan Slither Wing - Vulcanrona Brute Bonnet - Agoonguss Scream Tail - Bigglyruff Flutter Mane - Missireavus Sandy Shocks - Shaggneton Roaring Moon - Lunamence Iron Treads - Treadphan Iron Moth - Miasmarona Iron Valiant - Gardelade Iron Hands - Hoveryama Iron Bundle - Refrigibird Iron Jugulis - Hydrauligon Iron Thorns - Tyranitron

[@flamestorm1468]

Yep, using these as nicknames for competitive

[@murloc_kingoxii4410]

Ugaboongus is Better, But Agoonguss is really cool too

[@cometcartoons8528]

@@murloc_kingoxii4410 What's a Ugaboon?

[@cometcartoons8528]

@@flamestorm1468 I changed future volcarona nickname. It used to be miascarona now it's miasmarona.

[@murloc_kingoxii4410]

@@cometcartoons8528 there as a Fake Leak about the Dex of Gen 9, and Ancient Amoongus as Called that, Ugaboongus, that name was too good to be real

[@sunnyworldproductions4818]

Past: a prehistoric pokemon versions Future: a world where pokemon were extinct and replaced by robots

[@decas5505]

That is depressing

[@sunnyworldproductions4818]

@@decas5505 And maybe inevitable

[@magolor152]

@@decas5505 such a bleak future too, where all of your favorite creatures are dead and replaced by robots or worse remaining specimens were mechanized to preserve their lives

[@juanxd6182]

Past: monster hunter Future: a medabots/digimon mix (like omedamon but worse)

[@franciscoOrellana29]

@@magolor152 that's the future 🗿

[@Flameblight]

I overall like the past forms better than the future ones. The past versions seem like more savage versions of existing Pokemon and you can kinda see how they might've developed into what they eventually became. How their survival strategies evolved and changed as time went on. Slither Wing and Sandy Shocks gaining flight, Roaring Moon gaining more usable limbs, Scream Tail adapting its screaming to singing, etc. The future forms however are all just robot versions of existing pokemon with no real new adaptions or traits beyond being metallic, and they aren't even steel type! They look less like the pokemon adapted and changed survival strategies and more like someone built robot versions based on existing Pokemon who didn't change at all in the far future. The exception being Iron Valiant who, by merging traits of Gardevoir and Gallade along with their mega forms at least looks like it diverged from the present day versions beyond just "being a robot". Iron Thorns looks pretty cool. Though for some reason I find Iron Treads to just be disturbing to look at, same for Iron Bundle's detachable head. Are we absolutely sure Turo didn't miscalculate and just start stealing robots from a pokemon version of Eggman a few decades in the future?

[@DamnDort]

I actually have a theory that the Pokémon are from a future where another giant Pokémon war happened, leaving the world in a desert-like hellscape. The remaining humans fled underground, nearly all Pokémon went extinct except for a few. Using the few pokemons dna (because of how many Pokémon there are, a few is like 150) they made new Pokémon to help them get good and search, they had to make Pokémon nearly entirely robot so 1: they wouldn’t die, atleast not for centurys and 2: so they could survive the harsh weather. They also needed to put cameras in them so they could see what was outside. Iron treads rolls on its trunk thing to get across the landscape easily, iron valiant is used to sample stuff from the outside world and also to take down and get dna from any Pokémon that could’ve survived up there so they could make improved forms. Iron thorns are used as shields whenever the human bunkers get under attack ect ect.

[@XxTheCupidKidxX]

Nah if anything I think the future paradoxes are far more interesting in an existential dread sort of way. The implication that something happened in the future to cause all organic Pokémon to be converted into machines, either machines mimicking Pokémon or the Pokémon having to be transformed entirely into iron constructs. Maybe Pokémon went extinct entirely in the future and mankind tried to revive them with technology in the only way they knew how. Yet these machines are functionally exactly the same as Pokémon, they have types, movesets, and even still retain personalities. It’s really interesting in a bleak distant dystopian future sort of way

[@snailpocky]

i’ve been going back and forth between the two games but i think i have to choose scarlet. the violet designs are so incredibly cool but the pokemon don’t really feel like they’re living breathing animals. i like that in scarlet they just look like enhanced versions of the pokemon instead of mechanical versions

[@captainblue5096]

To be fair… *they aren’t.* But I agree. I prefer the Past designs a lot.

[@santifer18]

it's because they're not living breathing animals

[@ScaredEz]

I think that’s the point. But yeah it feels somewhat depressing

[@CloutmasterPhluphyy]

Isn't the point of them the fact they aren't living and breathing?

[@zacziggarot]

I'm kind of worried I don't know if the Pokemon are still Pokemon or if they're just robots

[@megameme29]

1:50 Gives me a robotnik badnik vibe.

[@Eris250]

I noticed that the cries of Paradox Pokemon are almost identical to the original, with the addition of a certain sound effect starting at the middle of the default cry (horns for ancient Pokemon, wooden clack noises for future Pokemon) Also, the idle animations of Paradox Pokemon move a lot less than their present-day counterparts.

[@SLZeroArrow]

I sure hope we get more of these as DLC, a past and future Dragonite would be REALLY COOL.

[@pokelogikx]

Past Suicune and Future Virizion have been teased and they seem to be fusions of them and the other 2 in their trio but with an ancient/future spin

[@legendary_duck70]

A gengar would be cooler...

[@sandstooge]

Future Roselia

[@1polyron1]

What's the basis for future and past forms of pokemon? Is it similar to mega evolution? Do they need an item to transform?

[@uzumakimadeit]

@@legendary_duck70 I agree but theve been pampering Gengar a lot in recent gens. They gave him a mega, a gmax, and a visible shiny in arceus

[@LukaFireIce13]

Can we take a moment to appreciate how badass Shiny Koraidon looks?

[@valkenheim2433]

*sees Violet shinies* "Huh? Okay, uh, what's going on here? Why is everything...chrome?" "Everything is chrome in the future!"

[@neomicryo]

i love that salamence's past form looks like its mega

[@sumansaxena2277]

@@Amelia4111 I hope your mental condition gets better

[@ThatBeingCed]

Same for Gallade I feel

[@furankiglowing7278]

@@Amelia4111 ????

[@TheGoldenJay637]

@@Amelia4111 oh god the grammar nazis are here. wonderful.

[@MaimaiKuroshiro]

@@Amelia4111 what

[@avch1209]

it would have been a tremendous irony if Yanmega, Mamoswine and Tangrowth had had future forms

[@AlcePuma28]

I think their past forms are prehistoric and their future forms are present... 😆

[@F3L3453]

I can see tangrowths future form being a big bundle of tangled cords

[@Werewolf293]

Imagine Past Yanmega's a Bug/Dragon instead of Bug/Flying 🤣

[@AlcePuma28]

@@Werewolf293 , that would be interesting...

[@AustinSPTD1996]

Yeah. Too bad none of them are in Paldea (unless SV gets expansion passes too).

[@frecklednerd]

The attention to detail in the cries. There's a distinctive sound for past and future Pokémon much like Ultra Beasts in Gen 7.

[@ultimateblazes8938]

I really like both forms however when it comes to shinies, Scarlet nails it. I know Violet is more futuristic and has more of the bland-still designs, however the shinies just makes it more robotic-y than anything else, though it sells on its future and robotic look, it fails at being as cool shinies. Especially with Miraidon, changing its cool and slick purple to a though cool silver, makes it look honestly bland like the others, the only exception for me is Future Volcarona and Tyranitar, but that is it. With Scarlet, It really brings more vibrant colors, and shows that its different but the same in a way as referencing of course the past, and Kiraidon has honestly the best shiny in existence. The charcoal black and white with the hint of fire really brings out how cool it is, especially with Salamence and Jigglypuff, its exceptional and honestly really brings out emotions on a Pokemon. Don't get me wrong, Both forms are amazing, I just wish Violet had more vibrant colors on their shinies instead of being just, "yeah its a robot." it makes their original shinies look like a joke.

[@AidMB]

Idk why their miraidon looks like that, all The leaks show shiny miraidon as black like koraidon

[@resurgingflame]

I honestly think Miraidon's shiny is still the better looking one than most of future form pokemon. That slick silver with faded purple & yellow is really a great match up tbh. Doesn't feel that bland at all to me.

[@ultimateblazes8938]

@Resurging Flame I do agree, Miraidon is the better looking one of all the future forms. I 100% agree it looks great, I was just saying that most shiny forms of the Future form look bland. I just thought it would be better if the shinies looked better for the future forms instead of being bland.

[@rogue1248]

@@ultimateblazes8938 yeah I think I'd choose Scarlet just because the Paradox form has more shiny colors. But Ceruledge or Iron Vallant isn't there so... Someone willing to trade me the item that makes it evolve into that, I'm willing to offer.

[@Skxtra.]

I just don't see anything special about the past pokemon shinies. I like future forms the forms more

[@maxeisenhardt8800]

It's so nice to see that Misdreavus got some love. I've always liked it more than Mismagius. This "Flutter Mane" form is really neat, plus it has dual typing. By far my favorite.

[@AdamDawson3]

I like Mismagius better think its ridiculous that Ancient Misdreavus cannot evolve

[@Momoe_Nagisa]

@@AdamDawson3 none of the past or future forms are supposed to evolve

[@twakeley1317]

@@Momoe_Nagisa why though?

[@Momoe_Nagisa]

@@twakeley1317 i don't nkow

[@Runedrace]

@@twakeley1317 the future forms are robots powered by infinite energy, assuming they use the same power source as magearna.

[@TheVASgamer]

The past forms seem to have this howling at the end of their cry while the future forms have a sort of clinking and clanging sound

[@nikimachiavelli5806]

Iron Valiant is my favorite among the futuristic Paradox Pokémon. Because it looks like a cool fusion between Gardevoir and Gallade.

[@thegrimmreaper5871]

Probably is the only evolution path in the future

[@NuggetGX]

Amomg us

[@Ectofeu]

And it even have the fairy type of gardevoir with the fighting type of gallade!

[@giboit.]

Question: The paradox forms have genders?

[@NuggetGX]

@@giboit. there transgender.

[@phantomtoxin8756]

Definitely glad I bought scarlet, the past forms are way cooler in most cases

[@Volcanicus1-s3e]

Man if only they made a future Metagross, I bet it wouldve looked sick

[@felipelombarde3346]

@@Volcanicus1-s3e i wonder how he would look, because Metagross is already a "robot"

[@Volcanicus1-s3e]

@@felipelombarde3346 technically speaking Metagross is more of a supercomputer but I guess it's still a robot kind of? Idk

[@RommekePommeke]

@@Volcanicus1-s3e Well supercomputers can be considered robotic.

[@allyourbaseman]

I like that they showed the hyper-efficiency of the past and future forms by having them stand completely still and not move a muscle. GF has truly honed their craft over the years.

[@zealouspg5079]

Iron Valiant being a combination of Gallade and Gardevoir's designs is so cool

[@thefluffyaj4119]

yea! I also think it might possibly be a nod to the fact gender roles are getting deconstructed, and maybe in the future something like a gallade gardevoir mash up will be normal! idk how gender norms are being seen in japan right now but I think that it's starting to become a popular topic like in the west

[@dustymcwari4468]

It’s as if someone wanted to create the perfect middle ground between the two

[@crisscrosszx]

Nah. Gallade and Salamence both are more of a nod to their Megaevolutions

[@TheCabalOnMars]

@@thefluffyaj4119 I hope not, I hope it's just a cool robot pokemon and absolutely none of what you just said, because robots aren't overly obnoxious drivel.

[@thefluffyaj4119]

@@TheCabalOnMars well dam I was just putting out an idea I thought made sense. think what you wanna think I guess, whatever makes you happy (even though I know you won't extend the same sentiment to me ofc)

[@flamestorm1468]

Idk why but Iron Valiant looks like your typical badass anime fusion ready to fight

[@CatastrophicVagabond]

I was thinking the same think

[@anthonychessar7179]

Raoring moon also kinda looks like a fusion: a Salamence with Ho-oh's wings.

[@minecraftkiddo4688]

@@anthonychessar7179It’s based off of mega salamence

[@tedgrove7775]

I love the pokemon that Gamefreak chose for these past/future forms. Delibird and Hydreigon?!? Random, yet awesome.

[@brawler5760]

The funny thing is that Delibird is still shit, while Iron Bundle literally got banned from competitive.

[@tedgrove7775]

@@brawler5760 ok, now that is effin' hilarious bro 😅

[@FourzeGenome]

Unpopular opinion: I really love the future forms. Only amplified my choice to get Violet. Though admittedly, I won't be shiny hunting for them. The only future shinies I like are Iron Thorns and Miraidon.

[@samlosophy5894]

Wait are the past and future forms version elxcsive

[@Firesnake905]

@@samlosophy5894 yes, but if you play with someone with the opposite game in their world, you can catch them there too.

[@FourzeGenome]

@@samlosophy5894 Yup

[@WilsonCo.]

koridan shiny is insane

[@gavinbunting7354]

But they’re robots, not living Pokémon.

[@azuremoon2096]

I’m really happy with the past forms introduce in scarlet, but I’m also really sad when it comes to the future forms in Violet because they look so “boring” and “bland”. It also doesn’t help that their shiny forms make the future forms even more “bland” by just spray painting them all chrome and calling it a day.

[@chinchillinDaily]

I actually love the future forms. They are such a good reference to how technology is slowing taking over society. They barely move compared to their present forms, showing how emotionless they are. I also love how only one is steel type.

[@smembino740]

@@chinchillinDaily The past forms don´t really move neither, even though they are supposed to be wild... But didn't people complain about this exact thing since X&Y? I mean I don't think it´s a good thing, that the pokémon do not feel alive...

[@baalfgames5318]

Also the fact that all the past forms are two words that are specific to them, while the future forms are always "iron blank."

[@grandempress1947]

@@baalfgames5318 They're robots. What would you expect? Model type + Model number That's usually how technology is stamped and labeled in fiction. It makes sense to me opposed to actual wild animals

[@Nasho3]

L

[@ElvenMoth]

Iron Moth is definitely my favorite, and I love the typing. Fire/poison makes me think of radiation and that's very fitting for a sun pokemon. ☀️

[@evdjddb5147]

Favorite past form shiny 1:32 Favorite future form shiny 2:43

[@Volcanicus1-s3e]

I agree especially on ttar since it looks more like mechagodzilla lol

[@itshahriar4595]

2:55 for me, shiny Iron Valiant is soo badass🔥

[@mightygojira]

I will hunt shiny Tyranitar so much i wanna get mecha godzilla lol.

[@gonzoivanovich938]

No one cares

[@Volcanicus1-s3e]

@@gonzoivanovich938 🤓

[@alijaber9680]

2:52 I Must say that I think Iron Valiant is a mixture of Gardevoir and Gallade, since it/they both have Gardevoir and Gallade cries.

[@neomicryo]

Also it has a "dress"

[@murloc_kingoxii4410]

+ Kirlia's Pig tails

[@SolaricSage116]

@@murloc_kingoxii4410 + Ralt's horns, technically.

[@Yourboricuascorpio]

@@Amelia4111 you annoying

[@gojiron]

Fun fact, the idea of ​​Gardevoir was always that it would be a Pokémon based on a royal knight, that's why its japanese name is Sir Knight, but since everyone saw it as a female Pokémon, Gallade had to be created. Both Mega Gallade and Iron Valiant show that the idea was that Gardevoir's "dress" was actually a closed cape

[@WILLYGAMESTV]

I love this concept, also notice how the future forms are from final Evolutions since It represents the future while prehistoric are more diverse

[@haydenboggs3271]

Past Paradox: Yeah let's just do their regular shinies and make the thorny lizard look badass Future Paradox: *Everything* is chrome in the future!

[@Andrew-ec9vc]

2:37 at last, mecha tyranitar is real now

[@dracowen1332]

I love how the pokemon center lady healed a team full of these insane Pokémon she had never seen before and just shrugs it off like nothings wrong

[@angelomonteiro5376]

So Koraidon and Miraidon are Cyclizar's Paradox Forms? Sick

[@ExtremeTourname]

1:15 I always called Salamence mistakenly as Sailor Moon. Now he really is

[@Cake-o-Phony]

Every Past Paradox has a deep hum accompanied by the sound of clattering sticks. Every Future Paradox has a guttural groaning interlaced with clinking gears. Koraidon and Miraidon instead take it a step further with a heavy drum beat and high-pitched whirring respectively, perhaps demonstrating their status as "advanced", or "Major Legendary" Paradoxes in comparison to their rest of their brethren. These end of cry sound effects also double as yet another parallel to the Ultra Beasts, including Cosmog's Line and Necrozma, all of whom had a deep metallic ringing at the end of their cries. Loving this concept of otherworldly or "extroverse" Pokémon groups entering the normal world and finding new lives there alongside the Protagonists. Hope there will be more Ultra Beasts and Paradoxes in the future. Great video!

[@Velociraptor2000]

If we think about it Iron Valiant is not only the first fairy/fighting type but also the first canonical fusion in the games, at least. Cause if you count Venastoise from those ghost's prank. That one was the first fusion in the anime. And Zapmolcuno the first in the Manga.

[@wp5223]

White and Black Kyurem: Am I a joke to you? Also Necrozma and Solgaleo or Lunala

[@ravio5868]

Necrozma, Kyurem, and Calyrex would like a word with you.

[@Velociraptor2000]

@@wp5223 those aren't permanent. And I'm not counting Metagross or Magnezone cause they are individual Pokemon making a bigger one. "Gardellade" are two fully evolved pokemon merged with each other.

[@Velociraptor2000]

@@ravio5868 those can be dissolved and they require an item.

[@brettlarch8050]

It’s name was actually Venastoise

[@sebastianfernandez6146]

These designs are very much more pocket monsters than what we’ve seen. Like Roaring Moon. Love these designs.

[@calamaribowl8683]

Ancient pokemon: actual, realistic representation of what these pokemon would be hundreds of years ago Future pokemon: so they're just robots

[@amelieshuman3324]

My only wish was that past Amoongus had the red and white colorations but not in the specific pokeball pattern. It would make a lot of sense if the pokeball pattern evolved overtime from a nondescript pattern

[@mariasfondilis4445]

Im pretty sure pokeballs were inspired by amoonguss not the other way around

[@alexandergotze3323]

Doesn't the Pokédex mention that Amoonguss' pattern inspired the Poké Ball pattern and not the other way around

[@abicaxi]

I think it would be cool if it had the colors of the pokeball gs.

[@KHfan0011]

I love how inorganic the Iron Pokemon are and that their shinies remove their paint to seem even less alive.

[@camilopalma1223]

I hate it

[@elementalsteve9029]

Wow that’s the reason I don’t like them!

[@ilikethrowing992]

Same it just makes them look like man-made machines instead of actual living, breathing creatures. I mean even magnezone looks more alive than those things

[@KHfan0011]

@@ilikethrowing992 that...was LITERALLY the point...

[@KHfan0011]

@@elementalsteve9029 Did you even play the story?

[@ShadowEliminator_Aigis]

I love the Iron Valiant the most out of all of them! This Gardevoir Gallade fusion is by far the best for me! The mixed typings of the two, Fairy and Fighting is just a cool detail, and what would be better for the Gardevoir Gallade fans is if they'd catch one with a Psychic Tera. It's a really sick design genuinely. I love it!

[@sb6196]

I actually got psychic tera shards to give my Iron valiant a psychic tera type. It's cool but I ended up regretting it since I do less damage in raids than having fairy. Still cool though.

[@lucianoperellovilelapinto600]

Galladevoir

[@jonathanader5899]

It's shiny is so badass too

[@trinipits]

we got to give respect to this guys 4 catching every future and past forms + the shinies

[@andrewcooper7438]

I’m not a huge fan of the idea of the robotic future forms, but the shiny forms look amazing!!!!

[@jazzratoon]

Its references of how the Future could be bland one and lifeless world to live in.

[@return2monkey925]

@@jazzratoon ah yes, the best creature design should aim for bland and lifeless

[@alienbread1676]

@@return2monkey925 missed the point

[@return2monkey925]

@@alienbread1676 disagreeing with a point is not missing it

[@RagingBrachy]

Yea scarlet looks dope while violet is too simple

[@TheHammerGuy94]

Common theme among past paradox forms: stronger attacks Common them among future paradox forms: more mobility We can see that in donphan where he loses his tusks for mobility. Volcarona has its legs on the ground as slither wing, but completely levitates in the future. We complain why koraidon doesn't use it's wheels, this is why. As miraidon, it can completely levitate.

[@bessieburnet9816]

Although I'm a Scarlet girl through and through, bloody love Iron Valiant. They fact they didn't choose but instead merged Gardevoir and Gallade together. Nice! Wish they did something similar in Scarlet.

[@jw_gojifan19]

Definitely sticking to the past. Buying Scarlet and picking Fuecoco as my starter. Nothing against the future forms but the past ones just look cooler, especially Volcarona

[@Dandylion567]

I think they killed it with both Volcarona forms, although I'm a fan of Volcarona in general, so I'm biased. Over all, I think the past forms are better as well.

[@Vaquix000]

The future ones are all smaller for no reason. "But a lot of creatures evolve to be smaller and umm phones keep getting smaller or something!" Not all creatures evolve to get smaller and I don't know why people compare creatures to phones. TVs are huge now anyway so if we're going the technology angle it Still doesn't make sense. No reason. Big robotic Pokemon could have been cool, now you have the little toy versions... Great...

[@gokuismymom8553]

The past forms are cooler and more creative in my opinion. Even more reason why I think people are overrating the Violet version.

[@yoshifan3077]

This is actually kind of cool now we're going to catch robot Pokemon now

[@Animaster151]

I think iron valiant is the future form for both gallade and gardevoir, its design and even cry resembles both of them, also its typing is like a mix between the two

[@kirbothememe]

From what I read it's an experiment from a scientist who tired to do the perfect psychic type, but failed because it became violent

[@rengoku756]

To me the future ones look kinda bland while the past ones look so cool because they are so much different from the normal ones

[@dionjones6300]

I can agree. I'd have loved somewhat different pallets and maybe some more lasers

[@rengoku756]

@@dionjones6300 Fr the old ones look dope while the new ones look like a reskin almost. They could have definitely made them look way cooler

[@Zomtism]

@@rengoku756 The shinies for the future paradox's just further prove that. They all just turn silver instead of any unique colours or matching their present forms. Was hoping for future Volcarona to match it's shiny but i was left disappointed

[@mikecheck5937]

@@Zomtism it's a reference to bleached metal. Essentially the paint is rubbed off leaving only a chrome color. Looks great on Juglius, Valiant, Miradon, and Thorns. However others like Moth, Hands, and Treads suffered greatly. Iron Bundle is an... acquired taste

[@glowstick1168]

Has anyone else noticed that the sounds that accompany any paradox pokemon's cry sounds kinda like the ticking of a clock? (except koraidon and miraidon)

[@Moofydakidd]

I really hope the future DLCs reveal more of these mons, they knocked them out of the park so far

[@spiritedchung5926]

We will see 1 with the Legendary Beast (Scarlet) and the Sword of Justice (Violet).

[@Siturba]

Past ones (especialy Donphan and Volcarona) has a Monster Hunter vibe; i love them. I hope to see new ones in DLC or other 9Gen games

[@alvaroperez2349]

1:02 that looks like a weird Power Rangers Monster.

[@symphonixblades]

And Iron Thorns looks like a power ranger zord as well

[@Wapolville_Mayor]

I would’ve LOVED to see an anglerfish lanturn, but the ones we got are still sick.

[@sam5u]

A grotesque prehistoric lanturn would be amazing

[@kalynbinder5624]

Well I'm sure we'll get dlc with these games so maybe

[@neonlasttite4384]

I remember someone hacked an older pokemon game that has a kind of studio in one of its story stage, that features a parody character and some of them are futuristic Pokémon. Here we are now seeing them in new game. They had the plan all along.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Pokémon evolving further into the future when some of them have canonical evolved forms is…seriously messing with my head…

[@jvanimation9520]

2:43 MechaGodzilla

[@jonathonsirlord8251]

1:14 Salamence wings in "RM" form looks close to it's Mega evolution wings🦎🪽 And Imagine Ash, Clemont,& Goh's reactions in seeing the Past & Future forms

[@MegaJesseman]

I was surprised that I actually like the future forms overall better than the past forms. I typically like prehistoric stuff more than I do futuristic stuff, but man do I love the future forms' designs, their head honchos (Miraidon and Iron Valiant), the fact that even though all of them are robotic not all of them are part steel or part electric, and quark drive (I already have a sun team, so getting electric terrain some better viability to me was more fun.) I still really like the past forms though.

[@tnemmers5407]

Maybe the future paradox Pokémon are techno-organic

[@Lugiavsgiratina]

Nah

[@MegaJesseman]

@@tnemmers5407 I kind of wondered about that. Since Miraidon does seem to be very animal-like.

[@10191927]

These designs are insane, Iron Hands has to be my favorite futuristic looking one, but they’re all really nice. Koraidons shiny is dope though.

[@gustavochavarria8161]

0:12 I hope to see this as an alt for the next Smash game.

[@major_moxii4256]

Having scream tail as an alt for smash sounds so sick!! I hope to see it too

[@mk4-matt6290]

Primal Jigglypuff convinced me, we going back in _time_

[@rkthetrashartist3887]

I have no plans to buy the games but as a person who loves all things futuritic, I find all the Paradox formes in Violet so cool-looking. My favorite is definitely Iron Valliant!

[@kiura3552]

How is this possible that not a single one look good.

[@leopardstar4719]

Hmm interesting so considering the future version of Pokemon all cybernetic robot does that mean majority of the Pokemon went extinct or did the future end up in a cyberpunk dystopian world.

[@xx_squirtle8621]

More likely than not, these paradox Pokémon aren’t “real.” They’re not actually from the future or past.

[@Revenuts]

@@xx_squirtle8621 thats what I thought. Since they all called paradox its just a possible outcome not the truth

[@jourdanfarquharson4697]

Well paradox gives the property of not bound by time. So the exist but as manifestations outside of time

[@frostmint3584]

Dialga is pissed xD

[@jedijack0577]

And we thought salamence couldn’t get any cooler

[@IrrelevantOaf]

Ehhh... I find it more cute if anything.

[@bessieburnet9816]

Better than it's Mega form.

[@Figgythekitty]

Theory:The shiny future paradox pokemon are actually beta/alpha versions of the paradox pokemon.

[@StManco]

Is it me or you can hear a weird background sound effect in the paradox forms cries? I'd like that to be real, similar to how ultrabeasts share a reverberating sound effect in their cries

[@chaosboi6815]

Gallade's future form looks the coolest for me, not only does it get parts from the Mega but even have gardevoir's hair!

[@MDG-mykys]

And dress

[@ekonthungcyrusngullie4391]

I find it very funny tbh

[@John-Stark]

Okay so... We got 2 Kanto, 4 Johto, 3 Hoenn, and 4 Unova Paradox forms, Nice to see the other regions finally getting love with alt forms

[@fujiyokomoto438]

Looks like Eggman roboticised most of the futuristic Pokémon kinda cool in theory

[@Darigosh]

I think it would be really cool if in this game we can get a past version of Genesect

[@ohohothisrocks]

Wouldn't that be kabutops?

[@Darigosh]

@@ohohothisrocks no Genesect is a bug not a crustacean

[@ohohothisrocks]

@@Darigosh Isn't genesect created from a kabutops fossil from gen5, could be wrong.

[@Darigosh]

@@ohohothisrocks what I just remember that it was created by a team plasma from the fossil of an ancient Pokemon but it's bug Steel type there's no water type at all

[@XxTheCupidKidxX]

@@Darigosh it’s also heavily altered, of course it’s not going to keep the same types

[@NBbowler]

I noticed the prehistoric Pokemon all have a primal howl sound added to the modern day Pokémon’s cry, whereas the future Pokemon have a series of mechanical clicks added to the cry

[@jeremytung1632]

Apparently iron is the only metal available in the future.

[@TorManiak]

Definitely an unpopular opinion: I like the future forms' shinies. That doesn't mean I don't like the shinies of past forms, but I appreciate what they're going for here, however lazy it is. So basically, I see that it's not just "because they're robots so metallic paint should be here", it's also an idea of being efficient. It's basically the idea is that those Pokemons are massively produced, so only their "weapons" or "core" (that are most likely of pure energy or something like similar) and the thing that tells their type remain, since those parts have always been this color when installed unto the body(or chassis cuz it sounds cool :p). Of course, we're not talking about humans doing the production, they would definitely put colors on them, no, it's all something an AI would do to preserve time with efficiency. It's definitely lazy because there's way more things you could do with colors that would be cool(Like, I can see some of them with a rusted color palette), so slapping the same one across all mons is just shooting your own foot, but this is also why I kinda like them. I like that idea of what's essentially Terminator Pokemons. We've only got Genesect as something like that and it's a cyborg. Now, I don't think Game Freak should have something similar in the future, because it is ultimately lazy as I said multiple times, and you don't have to agree with me, I understand why you like having actual color on shinies. I personally like it, and that's fine.

[@frostmint3584]

I agree

[@XxTheCupidKidxX]

I mean I think we can all agree that it looks best on iron thorns at least

[@SNUFFGURLL]

The future forms all being robotic implies that the present Pokémon will go extinct in the future, which is a bit sad. It also explains why the future donphan looks like a crude mock-up of the original made by scientists.

[@agentkracko]

The prehistoric Pokémon have the better designs, but the futuristic ones have the better cries

[@joltxd2506]

I have to love the fact that the future forms that stay on the ground are static, just like a robot would be

[@chaoslordmissingno]

Interesting. So like with the ultra beasts having a metal clang in their cries, Past paradox pokemon have like a cry with stick taps in it. While future paradox pokemon have a metal clanging

[@therealcanada12]

I like how the shiny for the future forms look like they are unpainted

[@iamhotspurs12]

The ancient shinies seem much more interesting, the future ones just look the same but without paint

[@skyguard1an]

Did dr eggman make that delibird? Looks like a straight up badnikk and im here for it

[@yourhumbledissenter]

One word for the future form shines: CHROME

[@eddietheguy13]

As SpongeBob says: everything is chrome in the future

[@adamtaurusragnathebloodedg8407]

Well chrome me the F up