Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon - A Worthy Successor

Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon is the 4th (or 5th if you count the Wii Ware games) in the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series. Released in 2015 for the Nintendo 3DS, this game changed a fair bit about the series. Does that make it the best one in the series?
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0:00 Intro
0:47 Gameplay: Basics
3:39 Gameplay: Connection Orb
10:29 Story: Serene Village
16:20 Story: Lively Town
17:51 Story: Dark Matter
24:42 Conclusion
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[@infiniteoctopaw]

It breaks my heart how much Pokémon mysterys Dungeon is disliked by the KZbin algorithm.

[@angel_of_rust]

roguelikes are certified normie filter.

[@ToxicPea]

It's less of "being disliked" and more of "most people genuinely don't care." Mystery dungeon was from a few years ago with very few large KZbinrs picking up Rescue Team DX. Older franchises that barely receive updates are usually rather niche on KZbin, unless of course a game retains a massive active fanbase with big charismatic personalities, like in the case of TF2. Don't shoot me, I'm just the Peliper.

[@everythingpony]

​@@ToxicPeathey didn't care

[@MrMushroom5]

9:01 😊

[@devinsymonds268]

This may be my own personal take, but I believe this game is not just a great game, but a truly underrated masterpiece. It's a very well put together game with a pretty good story, better mechanics than the previous installments, great characters, all three acts were perfectly structured, and a soundtrack that the mystery dungeon games have never disappointed in, and this game was no exception. To this day, Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon is my 3rd favorite video game of all time, and is one of the best I have ever played.

[@Victini862]

Every part of Super Mystery Dungeon had me hooked from start to end: even the beginning village arc had me hooked throughout. It's such a hard game to put down and it deserves so much more love than it gets. PSMD is right alongside EOS as my favorite PMD game.

[@CrimsonNick171]

The story may not be as "surprising" as Red/Blue Rescue Team or the Explorers games, but it still has moments that puts a smile on my face. The gameplay is satisfying and of course, being able to select our starter is a serious clincher. The beauty part here is that because you have the ability to choose your starter, it actually increases replay value. Play it as Riolu and Chespin, then play it again as Mudkip and Turtwig. I do wish they'd still let us use the other non starters like Cubone, Shinx and Meowth. Would've been awesome to have Zorua as a starter. Anyway....this game is definitely worth it for even casual players.

[@RetroAndChill]

Definately. This is by far one of the best games mechanically speaking in the series.

[@RednekGamurz]

I love this game. It's story's told a little strangely, but on repeat playthroughs, I picked up on some things in regards to it, especially with it's potential foreshadowing. - The hill with the big tree foreshadows the final dungeon. It's a tree that overlooks the entire village, which is you and your partner's "world" so to speak, while the final dungeon is in a giant tree flying above the entire world. - The dungeon where you go to save the bullies takes place under a tree, and has you fighting an illusion of Giratina. You end up saving them after the fight by forgiving them, much like how Dark Matter is defeated by the partner accepting them. - Dark Matter is hinted at a few times prior to seeing it, or learning of it's name in Voidlands. The cutscene where we catch up with Rayquaza who bailed in the opening cutscene, he doesn't describe it as a Pokemon, in fact, he seems unsure about what it is, and this wouldn't make sense if it was Nuzleaf, the Beheeyem, or Yveltal. There's also the cutscene where you hurt the partner's feelings early on, and then you see someone talking "lIkE tHiS" about negative feelings. Finally, there's the bit after the Fire Island fight, where they show a bit of blackness forming on the tree that let you evolve. - During your final climb up Revelation Mountain, you'll get multiple cutscene breaks. After the final one, if you look at Nuzleaf, and hit A, instead of doing a cheerful pose like usual, he'll instead do his shivering animation. I also really like this game's usage of leitmotifs, largely using the partner's theme in fitting situations, such as Dark Matter Phase 2 (reaffirming that this is "their" fight). There's also the song "Treasure Within Your Heart" being mixed into "Time to Part Ways", which is fitting, since you're parting ways with the treasure in your heart (as corny as that sounds).

[@trashcat623]

I know it's been months, but to add... There's a lot of suspicious stuff about Nuzleaf you don't pick up on until after the first play through. -Ampharos went to the village to investigate because of the turning to stone incidents, which you learn later is Nuzleaf's doing. That makes what he says on the hill make more sense on the second play through. His arrival is directly connected with Nulzeaf coming back from his 'trips', where he was turning Pokemon to stone the whole time. -When you come back to town during the arc before the Voidlands, Nuzleaf rushes back to the village to warn you that something happened while he was on guard duty.... But Nuzleaf was never appointed as a guard in the first place... that's why you had to sneak up to the mountain earlier in the game. -Nuzleaf has Frustration in his moveset, which is a move that is normally stronger the less friendship points you have.

[@jellycore1316]

Ohh my god, I hadn't noticed that with the tree, thanks for pointing it out! ^^

[@untrollquifaitdesblaguessa6922]

@@trashcat623 Nuzleaf supply you to go with him "because he's too sorry" at the start, you can't refuse.

[@Foatizenknechtl]

foreshadowing in pokemon games is like the most obvious shit ever....you can only fall for that as a kid xD

[@mitzyeditz8999]

My biggest complaint is how often it feels like my moves miss.

[@wikiuser92]

I forgot to mention this in my first comment, but there are actually three Japan-exclusive Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games: Wildfire Adventure Squad, Tempest Adventure Squad, and Radiant Adventure Squad. They were released for the WiiWare, and although they've never been officially released in the west, a complete English patch was released for them just last year. Their stories are pretty much identical, with locations and Pokémon being version exclusive, and they're not all that long or deep. One unique mechanic in these games is that Pokémon can climb on top of each other to form stacks and launch attacks in a quick succession, kinda like the Alliance mechanic seen in Super.

[@Midnight3Wonder]

Super is a personal favorite of mine that actually managed to change my life. I had gotten the game around the time of its release, but hadn't really touched it much at first for whatever reason. Then, just a few short years ago, I got back the urge to play it but just didn't really have the time to do so. That's when it happened. I was at a friend's place for a week or so catsitting for her while she was away when I was informed of some big news that I did not take very well. I won't go into detail what it was as it still hurts me greatly to this day, but it put me in a very depressed and emotional state. I was struggling to care for myself and didn't have anyone around who I could reach out to for help. I literally had to fight with myself to not grab a knife from the kitchen and hurt myself as I was in such great pain over what was going on. I desperately needed a distraction from my grief and decided to finally play Super Mystery Dungeon to help me get through this terrible time in my life. Not only did the game help distract me, but it also reignited a spark in me that I thought had died. I started drawing my own depiction of certain scenes from the game that stood out to me and added my own twist to them and posted them online. I got quite a few comments about my drawings that were really encouraging and made me happy. Someone even mentioned that they'd love to see me make an entire comic series about my own interpretations of the game. That comment made me remember something from when I was younger and really caught up in my love of the Explorers games. I had actually tried to make my own comic based on the Explorers game, but gave up on it has I didn't know how to make a comic, have the methods to make it happen, or how to post such work. Being older, more experienced, and having the knowledge I do now, I could make it finally happen. So, I got to work trying to make my very own PMD comic. Before I knew it, I was expanding the comic beyond Super and began working on comics based on ALL the Mystery Dungeon games! It became a very positive outlet for me that I desperately needed and saved me from one of the darkest times in my life. I still absolute adore the game and am still working hard to make the comics. I haven't been able to post any official pages yet, but I'm not giving up on this dream of mine. The ideas I've shared so far have been really inspiring for others and has even helped others confront their inner demons. I'm so excited to finally start posting the official pages and making my own mark in Mystery Dungeon history with a comic series that I hope will capture the heart of each story and help its readers find the strength and courage to face whatever challenges await them in life, just as Super did for me.

[@justalpha9138]

That sounds like you had an awful time. Hope you're doing alright now! I have big dreams for a Pokemon project myself, but they're years out.

[@Midnight3Wonder]

@@justalpha9138 I'm still suffering, but am much better now. I've built up a strong community of friends through my project and they've been able to help me through my issues while I also help them through theirs. The comic has been a great source of communication and expression for me that's also helped inspire others. I'm really grateful for what I have now, even if it started from a bad place. In fact, I've arranged the timeline of the comic for Gates To Infinity to be the first set in the series, and the main character of that story will also be starting from a very bad place before finding her own inner strength and be truly happy. It's rather symbolic of how I started when I began this project of mine. Best of luck with your project! I hope you make your dreams come true!

[@justalpha9138]

@@Midnight3Wonder I sure hope so! Some people do believe in it though, so I'm thankful for that! Especially since many others find my ideas to be nuts.

[@justalpha9138]

@@Midnight3Wonder Curious to know what they are?

[@Midnight3Wonder]

@@justalpha9138 Okay

[@awesomeocelot7475]

I personally love the expedition society way more then the Wigglytuff guild. I just like how they are all friends and comrades and how Ampharos is just such a cool and chill leader (I love that guy). They are so great!

[@_marshP]

Ampharos and Swirlix are the peaks of this team

[@wikiuser92]

Glad to see I'm not alone with this opinion. The Expedition Society felt like a group of enjoyable and comedically bumbling yet competent friends, while the Guild was more of a "tough love" kind of deal (especially with Chatot, screw him). I'll always prefer Ampharos over Wigglytuff. Plus, less members means more time to focus on individual members.

[@DarthFhenix55]

​@@wikiuser92Tbf most of those members didn't had character development except for Explorers of the Sky special chapters, so the amount of characters is kinda irrelevant.

[@wikiuser92]

@@DarthFhenix55 The cast still feels too big IMO. Expedition Society is more compact and developed.

[@christianmckee2116]

Awesome vid! This is how I'd rank all the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games! 1. Super Mystery Dungeon 2. Explorers of Sky 3. Rescue Team DX 4. Gates to Infinity 5. Explorers of Time and Darkness 6. Adventure Squad 7. Red and Blue Rescue Team

[@PenguinXD4]

Personally for me, I'd have as 1. Explorers of Time and Darkness and Sky 2. Super Mystery Dungeon 3. Rescue Team DX 4. Red Rescue Team + Blue Rescue Team 5. Gates to infinity 6. Adventure Squad

[@emo-nordegraf]

this is definitely one of my most played games when i was younger. I have a vivid memory of sitting on my bed all day, and completing the game. Then crying my eyes out to the ending. I should replay it

[@l.o.gremastered5812]

My first mystery dungeon game and my favorite, mostly due to nostalgia. A thing I love about this game is the characters, a majority of them are amazing!

[@klabelia9454]

I think that the school story at the first half is an amazing solution to the slowly paced first half of most other pokemon mystery dungeon games.

[@Dizzrd]

Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon is my favorite game of all time. I have never loved a story more than this game's and the gameplay was the cherry on top. I'm kind of sad you didn't mention the Voidlands because that was a big part of the story, but I know you weren't trying to explain the entire game's plot. I do agree that the player is given a lot of information in the 2nd half of the game, but I absolutely love how they did it. There was a lot of info but they split it up depending on where you were in the story. It's hard to remember the entire plot but if you name a location in the game, you can recall what generally happened there. The gameplay, the characters, the dialogue, and the plot all came together to make an amazing game that I hope will never be forgotten about.

[@VividEevee]

It feels like that super mystery dungeon took aspects from every pmd story that came before. The journey to expedition society resembles the run away fugitives arc from pmd1. The expedition society resembles the guild from pmd2. The voidlands resemble the future from pmd2. And dark matter is like bitter cold...

[@typemasters2871]

My only gripe with Super Mystery Dungeon is how you only get set number of days between story missions, and no way to stockpile items if you come across a very difficult dungeon and you need a number of items (Oran berries and apples mainly) to get through the dungeon I had to stop playing because I reached a wall of difficulty (Cyndaquil and Totadile team in a mainly water type story dungeon) and I am not able to stockpile apples so that my belly doesn’t reach 0 before reaching the next checkpoint

[@naeshaunedwards7731]

Super Mystery Dungeon was super underrated imo, I feel like people try to compare it to Explorer of Time too much. I feel like Super Mystery dungeon, while not better than Explorer of Time imo, was still really good for what it was, and added a lot of fun new mechanics. I do wish it brought back the mini games from Gates to Infinity though. No matter how much you criticize Gates to Infinity, adding mini games was a nice thing that should’ve returned.

[@candyneige6609]

And they didn't returned in the latest Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game, Pokémon Legends Arceus.

[@Angel_the_lonely_one]

​@@candyneige6609because it's a remake 😂😂😂

[@candyneige6609]

@@Angel_the_lonely_one No, it's not, Legends Arceus is not a remake of any other game, but rather a brand new Mystery Dungeon game altogether.

[@Angel_the_lonely_one]

@@candyneige6609 um okay you got me confused but ok.

[@candyneige6609]

@@Angel_the_lonely_one Either way, Legends Arceus is even the best Mystery Dungeon game ever made.

[@bojanglehorseman]

Yes! I love how you worded it! It's characters are some of the best but really really odly paced on how the story is told if they would have worked just a bit more on the pacing and details a bit more it would be near to absolute perfect

[@Joswano]

It’s the guy from the tutorial oh my god

[@jackmisha2598]

I think a cool follow up mystery dungeon video if you wanted to do it would be talking about what a Pokémon mystery dungeon 5 should be like

[@JeremyB381]

I second this notion.

[@candyneige6609]

A Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 5 already exists, and it's called Pokémon Legends Arceus.

[@jackmisha2598]

@@candyneige6609 what

[@candyneige6609]

@@jackmisha2598 I saied that Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 5 already exists under the name of Pokémon Legends Arceus.

[@jackmisha2598]

@@candyneige6609 I more so meant how is legends arceus like a mystery dungeon 5 at all

[@e-duh3529]

I enjoyed this game a lot when I first played it and I intend to play it again once I'm done with explorers of sky. I really liked going to the different continents, how the missions have references to the past entries and the mechanics are pretty awesome. And while there was next to no build up for the final boss of the game, the amazing music that plays during the battle, to me, more than made up for it. It was so epic Plus the little twist at the end with the partner being the one who has to go, and the protagonist willing to do anything to bring them back... it's all great

[@paledrake]

"On a mechanical level, it's no contest. This is mystery dungeon at it's very best." PMD Rescue Team DX: "Hold my Oran Berry."

[@npne1253]

I mean it's Super but upgraded

[@npne1253]

@CoffeeKitsune Yeah me too, I've never played DX yet

[@V-Jes]

@@npne1253 Well "upgraded" considering long as i'm aware the regular attack is just missing for no reason in DX.

[@npne1253]

@@V-JesAlso Emeras is the better system, this is my opinion months earlier but now I consider Super to be essentially unrivaled

[@nbtelethia_9668]

Yeah rescue team isn’t as good mechanically as super.

[@greatmangreyyellow]

Your content is amazing mate. Anything you choose to do next, I think we'll all be here to watch it

[@wikiuser92]

I personally think this is the best Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game. As for the shortcomings you mentioned, here are my counterarguments: * The Expedition Society is better than the Guild because it's more compact. The Guild was so big that some of its members ended up getting very little attention compared to the others, while the Expedition Society balances out the screentime between its members much better. * The Dark Matter is executed much better than Bittercold. The latter had no dialogue or personality, unlike the DM. I also don't see that much problem with DM's foreshadowing. They first reveal the mystery, then the culprit, and then the controlling element behind everything. I don't see its introduction being more subtle to be a weakness. * I feel the game's story flows well. The first half is the partner being established and the player learning new things at a school, which makes sense for a school setting. And then the second half has the player and partner properly become part of the big plot that's going on, armed with the experience they learned in the first half of the game.

[@npne1253]

Eh, like he said the pacing could be better for the second half. Plus the ending despite being a twist was more of a shock than a sad one, probably because the ending theme didn't do it for me. Like seriously Time to Part Ways, should've been a reunion track. Plus the ending pacing could've been a lot slower just like the Gates ending to really let you sink it in where as in Super despite being a twist it was just too fast.

[@wikiuser92]

@NitroPuppy Thanks a lot! 😁

[@wikiuser92]

@@npne1253 It was fast because it was a fake-out. You're led to believe you're the one to disappear, like always. Even the player character acknowledges this. But then the twist comes. It's meant to be shocking *and* sad. And for me, it definitely worked.

[@npne1253]

@@wikiuser92 They should've really made the moments after the twist longer as the current version is just a massive infodump and the partner just leaves.. I think having a third character like Xerneas to handle this info would be better, or at least make some better pacing and more appropriately themed music would be a great improvement. Gates to Infinity still has the best paced ending and does it better with it's own little unconventional ways, set pieces and twists on how you part ways with everyone. This to me is probably close to the best part of GTI and just edges out Explorers ending by a little

[@wikiuser92]

@@npne1253 The ending of GTI was a new twist for its time, too. In the first two sets of PMD games, the player character is mentally prepared for the goodbye when it happens, while the partner is not. In GTI, it's the player who really has to suffer the most of the departure, with the partner and the other friends being more ready to accept the departure. Also, something I liked about GTI's ending was that the player's life in the human world was actually acknowledged. In the first two sets of games, the player just casually ignores their human life and anyone important they may have there.

[@hardyjoe4278]

I have never gotten into this series, but do remember the animated special that aired, to tie in to the GBA Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games. I was about to get the remake on Switch, but after looking around, I ended up getting Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon. I ended up getting Totodile, after the personality quiz. It was so cool because, Totodile is my favorite starter from Johto. It just felt like a digimon digi-destined moment.

[@lepreking]

Awesome work dude! I really enjoy your retrospectives

[@emmet042]

Something that wasn't touched on but I find worth noting is the structure of the final boss. (Gameplay spoilers obviously) Phase Two of the Dark Matter Core has no definite typing, instead switching its typing either after taking so much damage or after a set number of moves (I don't know which one). This changes up which moves you might want (or need) to use against it. Also, several of its attacking moves are tile specific, meaning your placement on the floor matters a bit move than in all other boss fights. Plus, Dark Matter Phase 2 is one of the best final boss scores I've heard; right up there with In The Finale from M&L: BIS.

[@renemaier5197]

Really enjoying these retrospects of Rangers and Mystery Dungeon!!! Really cool videos man

[@pyguy7]

Which one has the best music tho? The Partner theme comes in with Feels hard. That End credits theme of Super Mystery Dungeon slaps hard. That Second Dark Matter Boss fight Slaps even HARDER. When the choir parts come in during those epic themes I think it's the very best of the series. I don't know if those three are enough to carry the entire soundtrack for best soundtrack overall but man those three do carry it hard.

[@konumbra]

i love this game but genuinely i think the best part of it is its INCREDIBLE SOUNDTRACK!!! i am so obsessed with the music in this game it's so underrated and there are no misses!!

[@MetaMemester]

*Please* exist, new Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game. Great review I totally agree with! I also really enjoyed the one about Gates today.

[@candyneige6609]

A new Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game has finally been released, a few months ago, and it's called Pokémon Legends Arceus.

[@shadowmarauder6033]

I love this game, it is my first mystery dungeon game I’ve ever played. It also inspired my first pokémon theory: Dark Matter died, but since it seemed to somewhat change its mind at death, Arceus revived him as Xerneas to pay for his crimes in a way were he could do it happily. This explains a plot hole of why didn’t Xerneas warn the world of this threat or why Celebi never mentioned him when discussing what he saw in the past.

[@sparkybolt2085]

If they were going with the idea of Dark Matter being basically Bittercold 2.0, one twist I wish they made and set up was that Super was a sequel to Gates. Like you, I have forgotten much of Super's story due to the awkward pacing of the game. But if I recall correctly, the mistake Super's team made the first time around was defeating the Dark Matter, as opposed to accepting it (negativity) as a part of life. The player not having to return to the human world could be tied to the partner's actions at the end of Gates. Either way, as things are now, Super is a game that I enjoy from a gameplay and a partner standpoint, but it's pacing is very rushed towards the end. And the partner being the one to leave sort of felt tacked on? Like there was too much lore there that when the partner left, I was still comprehending what was just said.

[@toumabyakuya]

Thing is that if they tied this game to Gates, then they ran the risk that some players of this game hadn't played Gates yet, meaning that they wouldn't get the references and would miss the big plot twist.

[@brandonwong8614]

@@toumabyakuya well they kinda did when you connect/talk with hydregion they're shocked that you don't remember them, so your spirit or soul is the same as the gates

[@Evilriku13]

@@brandonwong8614 what also supports the "sequel to gates" theory, and I find this pretty obvious, is that all prio games are basically connected to PSMD with the continents, their characters and somesuch.. but as Retro & Chill pointed out, the lack of the original towns and some places do let someone wonder if this is indeed the same game or maybe just an alternate timeline to it all. So yeah, I think that Dark Matter became what it was because of what Bittercold did beforehand, perhaps as part of Dark Matter basically which "woke up" Dark Matter? It would make sense in a way.

[@pyguy7]

I keep getting thrown off by seeing Riolu as YOUR character because in my playthrough Riolu was switched as my PARTNER

[@naeshaunedwards7731]

I can’t wait for the next mystery dungeon game. We still never gotten any Alola Pokémon in Mystery Dundeon, and now we are in Galar. The potential ideas they can do with Ultra Necrozma, Calyrex, Zacian/Zamazenta and some of the other legendaries and newer Pokémon makes me anticipate a future game even more.

[@vibive]

I don't know if I want that because I know I'll be disappointed when they put in no effort and mess it up like they did with bdsp and legends

[@naeshaunedwards7731]

@@vibive nah, they usually do pretty good with the mystery dungeon games. Super Mystery Dungeon on the 3ds was great with fun gameplay, and a good story and plot twist, and Gates to Infinity while not the best Mystery Dungeon game, it was still good imo, and they wanted to try something new, and Rescue Team DX on switch is a great remake . If we get a new Mystery Dungeon game, they have a lot of new Pokémon and lore and material to go off of. They could mess it up, but I doubt they would, at least I hope they dont

[@naeshaunedwards7731]

@@vibive now when it comes to mainline games, I think Sword/Shield after the dlc was a pretty good game, and Legends Arceus is great, but as far as that BDSP remake, I agree. It felt more like a remaster than a remake, but with cut content. I will say the “remake” did great when it comes to gym and championship rematches, more catchable legendaries and customization for our character, but the game lacked multiplayer, and they didn’t add the WiFi plaza from platinum to compensate or the battle frontier, took away capture the flag, you can’t make poffins with friends, contest are decent but less enjoyable not being able to dress up your Pokémon,following pokemon should’ve been better handled imo, and they still have yet to add multiplayer to the battle tower even though it was in the og Diamond/Pearl. Kanto fans, while Let’s Go isn’t the best, got blessed with some story changes, great following and rideable Pokemon, petting Pokémon and graphics. Johto fans got the battle frontier, Pokeathlon, access to more legendaries, portable berry pot, great graphics, WiFi plaza, and a great postgame being able to travel to Kanto. Hoenn fans got great added lore, good graphics for its time, flying on Latias/Latios, new mega evolutions and great characters. Sinnoh fans got good gym rematches, customization and legendaries but the game feels the same as the og, just with unnecessary cut content.

[@candyneige6609]

@@naeshaunedwards7731 We actually got a brand new Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game, it's not a remake of an older game, it's an entirely new game with an entirely new experience, it's called Pokémon Legends Arceus.

[@Pao-vo8mf]

unfortunately I don't see they making another MD game, they are all for milking money with low effort now and these horrible open world games are doing great in the market so they will just keep them coming. look at pokémon ranger, a legendary series that was completely abandoned because making anything original today is a bad market move

[@liquidnation9992]

Here are my ideas for a 5th game in the PMD (Pokémon mystery dungeon) franchise: 1: more serious story. I feel like some of these games have "kiddish" stories and maybe something that's a hint darker to appeal to a larger audience. 2: Dialog options. Choosing what you say more often is well implemented in games like Skyrim and Fallout, and it would work well here, leading to branching paths and maybe multiple endings! 3: Run the guild: Here's a weird idea. Why can't you run the guild in the postgame, and get to send other Pokémon out on missions, build homes for more members and maybe battle your friend's guilds in a multiplayer strategy minigame! 4: Connect the normal Pokémon world and the PMD world. By setting it in the same universe, it allows for a reboot, as all the games are connected, and open up new possibilities, like encounters with humans and stuff like that. 5: Better hub world. Allow the guild/town to be more open, having multiple secrets to uncover, with dungeons, quests, items and maybe other allies inside! It would encourage more exploration and would be tons of fun. Hope these make it into the 5th game, if it ever comes out (here's hoping! :))

[@animefan6743]

SPOILERS For 1. I mean we had a whole village willing to hunt our protagonists down without mercy for the sake of preserving peace in the first game, and then had been told indirectly to commit suicide because the protagonists were "causing a distortion in the balance of space" in the second game... Do those really count as "kiddish" stories? ;^^ But being able to run our own guild for a potential next game sounds amazing! :D

[@candyneige6609]

We actually got a 5th game in the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon franchise, it's called Pokémon Legends Arceus.

[@liquidnation9992]

@@candyneige6609 How? That game is completely unrelated

[@candyneige6609]

@@liquidnation9992 Actually, it's quite the opposite, it's completely related, in Pokémon Legends Arceus, just like in any other Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game, you're a human who got turned into a Pokémon, and because you're a Pokémon, you can get attacked by other Pokémon.

[@omegablaze135]

Super mystery dungeon actually has an increased age rating to PEGI 7 from 3, do you think that it should be increased to 12?

[@Big-Image]

I think Yveltal would work better as the villain and have Dark Matter just be a mindless force. In my reimagining of the story, Yveltal would attempt to use the Luminous Water in hopes of controlling Dark Matter for malicious needs, only for it to backfire on him near the end of the game.

[@Victini862]

Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon is the game that got me into PMD as a whole. The gripping storyline, the amazing characters, the fabulous plot twists, and the fantastic gameplay are just a few of the things I loved about this game. It feels like a worthy Sequel to the Explorers games in the way it handles the evolutions of its story and game Design. The Looplet system is nearly perfect and the wands add so much depth. I can't forget the music. The music is as good of not better than Explorers of Sky. The inclusion of the entire GTI ost and the incredible post game. I rank the games as follows 5: GTI (Still love it despite being the weakest game) 4: Og Rescue team 3: Rescue Team DX Tied for 1: Super Mystery Dungeon and Explorers.

[@bojanglehorseman]

Super mystery dungeon may be the best game I've ever played

[@galacticoshawott]

I think the hardcore nuzlocke of this game that I am doing currently has me really invested in the story events, since the situation has more tension and is making it more memorable to me. It's tough, but super fun! Nice video! I really enjoy the PMD franchise.

[@npne1253]

Haha, the base game is already way harder than any other pmd, good luck on your run!

[@galacticoshawott]

@@npne1253 Thanks, currently on my 8th attempt (the farthest run up to now)using Pikachu/Squirtle. About to fight the Poliwrath boss soon. By the way, the ruleset I use (if you are interested) is: -The two basic rules for nuzlockes. ‐No combat/healing items expect for: *Apples of any kind. *Elixirs/ Max Elixirs. *Progress Device(my console turns off sometimes, comes in handy). *Regular 3 slot Looplets and all the emeras.(or Weather one if hazards like Hail/Sandstorm are near, but I stick to just 3 emeras per looplet). -Aliances are allowed. -If both main characters die in battle, you lose and must reset. *There is an exception: Story mode pokemon like Espurr can't be considered dead if she faints because she appears quite a bit in the story as an ally. The pokemon that are considered dead if they faint are those who aren't part of the plot (Sylveon and most of orb connections, for example). -Since the game creates such dire situations for grinding levels, leveling up is tough, thus you probably won't overlevel against the more powerful Pokemon because the game will always have enemies stronger than your current level, that's why I use emeras. *You can't use overleved Pokemon(except those that the story demands for plot progression like the Expedition members, children from the school, etc.). ***Lastly... have fun! You will view PMD in a new light if you decide to try it. Remember that this is just what I use to play the nuzlocke, so don't worry if you don't agree with something.

[@npne1253]

@@galacticoshawott Heh I still have to get used to Zero Isle for now, so something less difficult yet fun preferably!

[@galacticoshawott]

@@npne1253 That's totally fine. Give it your best in Zero Isle, good luck!

[@npne1253]

@@galacticoshawott Thanks, you too!

[@awesomeocelot7475]

Okay before this video I had no idea that the previous games where set on specific continents. That’s so cool!

[@VanessaDMusic]

Great video, you deserve way more subs

[@traesmith9822]

This game seems super underrated

[@VZX3Metroid3Hunter]

Oh my god, you have an incredible greenscreen setup. And you have so little subscribers! Hats off for striving for great video quality from the get-go

[@gnarly_charley]

This is the best entry I have played. Good series...keep making more and improving....

[@KevX36]

I love Super Mystery Dungeon. I have only started explorers of sky but unless it's better then I've heard I think super will stay my favorite. Also I have always gotten Victini close after getting the connection orb and losing my flip every time.

[@petereckmann8540]

When I first played Super I felt the story being rushed, everything happened after the other one without room for breath. But honestly even though the flaws, I still loved it. I just hope we'll get a new one after DX.

[@candyneige6609]

We actually got a new one after DX, it's not a Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers remake, it's something even better, a brand new Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game, a Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 5 in other words, and it's called Pokémon Legends Arceus.

[@justalpha9138]

I really love this game, and I think that this one has the best partner in the series.

[@awesomeocelot7475]

It’s so cool how you chose my boy Riolu (and Axew in gates) just like me. I always choose a non-starter Pokémon as my hero Pokémon.

[@candyneige6609]

In Pokémon Legends Arceus, you have to choose a starter Pokémon to play as, there are only 3 Pokémon that you can play as in this game, Rowlet, Cyndaquil and Oshawott.

[@flavertex658]

The main overarching villain of the Kirby series is also called Dark Matter, and is also a manifestation of the negativity of the world. I'm torn between making a joke about Kirby being canon in Mystery Dungeon, and wondering if this concept of the spiritual manifestation of collective negativity is a thing in Japanese culture more generally.

[@RetroAndChill]

Given that both Persona 4 and 5 play off a similar-ish concept for their main villains (idk about P3 cause I haven't played it yet), it might be a thing in Japanese media more generally.

[@Lilybun]

You could say even the story of Dark Souls plays with the same theme lol

[@parnikkapore]

YES I've been waiting forever for someone to mention this! Personally I think the SPMD and Kirby Dark Matters are different enough to definitely be separate things.

[@oliviahughes3158]

Dark Matter was also the name of an item that you used to learn the Odin summon magic in final fantasy 9

[@rpgfanatic9719]

The earliest example in gaming I can think of is ex death from final fantasy 5, who is a tree embodied by the evil wills of man, despite this is not barbaric and is intelligent, but yet is obsessed with the void and ruination of all things that exist.

[@mjtubeme]

I would love to see Ranger. By the way, you have a lot of potential. Keep at the YT hussel

[@CptTachyon]

I felt that Super Mystery dungeon was the one that really nailed the gameplay. The looplets helped provide some meaningful choice on how to set up a party beyond the pokemon themselves, and the emeras provided the sort of RNG I like. That, along with the motivated system really helped make the game feel far less monotonous. I also preferred recruiting pokemon being tied to missions than off a random chance of defeating one. Just a shame the story, for me, fell flat hard in a few key ways.

[@petercross1879]

It depends on how I'm feeling each day. I would say it's tied for Sky as the best Game

[@candyneige6609]

But either way, Pokémon Legends Arceus is better than both Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Sky and Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon, making Pokémon Legends Arceus the best Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game.

[@karirf123]

My opinion: Sky Super DX Rescue team I haven’t played gates in a while and can’t remember it so I didn’t think it was fair to include it.

[@candyneige6609]

Did you ever played Pokémon Legends Arceus, the most recent Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game ? If so, you should update your list to include Pokémon Legends Arceus. Either way, for me, i place Pokémon Legends Arceus at the very top.

[@PooPooPizza]

For some reason it took me nearly 7 years to beat Super Mystery Dungeon lol. I played it for a bit after getting i for Christmas of 2015, then didn't touch it until summer of 2016 where i got past the Serene Village portion of the game and got to Lively Town. After that, for some reason I didn't play the game at all until August of 2018, where I played all the way to the final boss, but I didn't know you got free checkpoints in between each phase of the fight and kept trying to beat it from Phase 1 each attempt with only one Revive Seed and no healing items. It wasn't until about a week ago that I finally went back and beat the game! I did enjoy the game a lot, I just think it's kinda funny how I would wait years to make progress for some reason lol.

[@morkoblooper7991]

Explores of sky is still the best in the series and doing bounties was amazing absolutely 10/10 game with so much in it

[@uprising4c19]

My theory for Dark Matter originally was that it was the same one from Kirby, and with Star Allies, that theory looks like to be right. Star Allies implies that Dark Matter(or Void) can exist in all dimensions, and it led to people theorizing with Smash (on TV tropes) on what it would like in all of the worlds of Smash. While I doubt the entire theory, I do agree that this Dark Matter is one of those reincarnations of negative energy alongside Sonic's Gaia duo as example of a Dark Matter/Void pair as one born of positive energy and one of negative energy. Yes, Dark Matter won't always be a force of evil as Gooey has demonstrated.

[@omnirudy]

Im replaying this game after years and i forgot how funny it was

[@awesomeocelot7475]

I’m officially your 1,000th subscriber!

[@jessealexander3346]

So um, kinda spoilers for super and gates, as if anybody here hasn't played nor seen the plots of those games. Okay, but hear me out, what if... our partner...in Gates...is Mew. Now, now, hear me out! Our partner says that we fought Dark Matter with Mew but failed. Right? You can't expect me to think that it just happened off screen! So what if...the bittercold IS Dark Matter. I mean they both are basically the same thing, just slightly different, and we know they all happened rather close together. So what if fighting the bittercold is when we failed. When Mew failed. What if the canon timeline is that we didn't come back. We went back to our lives in the human world, until our partner brought us back in Super. To fight Dark Matter again. Think about it, huh, huh? It also helps that I always chose Snivy for my partner for both games too. But hah! Canon! Not really. Kinda. It'd be kinda cool.

[@xavieradams3406]

thats actually a really good theory

[@untrollquifaitdesblaguessa6922]

It is literally said in the video older characters comes back such as Swanna. That's just impossible.

[@jessealexander3346]

@@untrollquifaitdesblaguessa6922 this was the most sarcastic comment I've ever made I think but go off I guess.

[@Cam22.]

One of the best Pokémon games I’ve ever played top 3 in my book beside diamond and pearl and black and white 2

[@kaizy7171]

Mystery Dungeon and Pkmn Pinall I played soo much beside the main title. I really loved the game, difficulty and stories.

[@duckybravo6410]

Wow this is awesome 🤩

[@duckybravo6410]

Sweat I actually got a like!!

[@Mannyindahouse]

I can’t wait to get my Froakie and Fennekin through this game

[@johtojonny]

Hehe we both chose Oshawott 😁 Btw not so sure the continuity implies the games took place in short succession so much as the Pokemon in this world just have a long life span but who can say

[@Trevor_NewJerusalem]

Not the best one, but damn it's good. After GTI, I wasn't expecting it to be so good.

[@djroscurro9859]

Regarding the comment about the lack of foreshadowing for dark matter, I understand how it could detract from the story for others. But this is the way I see it; Dark Matter’s only ever defeated when the partner ACCEPTS them. Dark matter isn’t just a culmination of negative emotions like Bittercold was, it’s rejected or bottled up negative emotions. This is why few react to it at first. Everything’s being kept in. I think the initial lack of foreshadowing works in a way, because upon bottling up emotions, it eventually becomes too much to the point where it all comes down on you at once. Much like the information learned in the endgame. One way or another, these emotions need a vent. Mew’s mistake was trying to get rid of the negative emotions instead of working through them. The mistake that the partner remedies.

[@djroscurro9859]

Rip heart, I was editing the comment to add more while I got it lol Oh well

[@VanessaDMusic]

I hope we get a new mystery dungeon announced in the direct on Tuesday!!

[@ViewtifulBeau]

I like your Tom Nook pillow...

[@brandonwong8614]

"the world almost ended 4 time" yeah but one of them was just a giant snowflake, so it's really 3 times with a star falling down, a future of darkness with no time that also makes people have changed personality, and dark matter

[@InktheImpassive]

I played the game on my 2DS. Sadly my 2DS broke before I could even finish the game and I was at the very endgame dungeons. Maybe I sucked but I remember this game has a huge difficulty spike to the point that I'd be begging for apples to appear due to all the alliance attacks I'm doing to really tanky wild Pokémon.

[@YudiLRoy]

I love Super Gameplay but i did not get so emotional about the story

[@hawktalon7890]

Super [haha] fun game. Unfortunately I never finished it; softlocked myself on accident and just haven't felt like restarting the file over again. I mean yeah, it's been about 7 years, but sometimes you simply don't care anymore.

[@malicekerendu3574]

I really liked super, but I think all 3d mystery dungeon games are clunky. The movement is slow, the framerate choppy and the animations take too long. As much as I love the story and gameplay mechanics in super it's the 3d jank that holds it back for me

[@Cyrusaur]

I just sold this game. Never got around to finishing it. But now I just ordered Mystery Dungeon DX on the Switch, hopefully I can get into it.

[@anarche4900]

It’s time for a new mystery dungeon or a explorers of the sky DX remake

[@Pao-vo8mf]

SMD is the best game of the series. the connection orb is the most awesome thing they have ever done. I wish more people gave a chance to it. btw you're really cute! great video

[@_marshP]

I prefer to think that each game takes place in the same world, but different timelines

[@rhyperiorhunter7339]

honestly I feel that gates to infinity's bittercold and super's dark matter both feel like two halves of a great villain like the bittercold fit quite well with the themes of the rest of the game and the build up to it was great but the payoff was kind of disappointing as it was just a big snowflake with no personality to speak of dark matter on the other hand spoke, had some pretty freaky abilities (the voidlands and void shadows seriously freaked me out when I was younger), and had a good payoff with the partner having to accept that the emotions that created darkmatter as a part of life in order to finally get rid of it but the buildup was lacking and it kind of felt out of place with the rest of the game tonally and thematically. I think if we got a villain with a combination of these traits, manipulating pokemon who were mistreated by an increasingly hostile world like the bittercold, giving pokemon being manipulated some kind of freaky power and the protagonists having to accept that the emotions that created them are a part of life to defeat them and actually having them speak like darkmatter, and just give them a design that isn't just a big snowflake or just a sphere

[@kirbo-exe8472]

SO Darkmatter is branching out from the kirby games

[@ViewtifulBeau]

Still need to play this.

[@npne1253]

The only thing I'm disappointed in this game is the post game reunion, it felt like it could be a lot more bigger.

[@RetroAndChill]

I feel like I was designed to be a short little quest so you could do it and then move onto the rest of the post game challenge dungeons.

[@npne1253]

@@RetroAndChill To me it feels like they could've tied a reunion story arc to the post game treasures, like what I'm proposing after you clear Sand Dunes of Spirits (which btw is the only time I cried while playing Super.. Yeah I can't even shead a tear for the actual twist ending but that's me) Xatu tells you that there's a treasure on every continent and after you collect them you have to go to the Mystery Continent to a dungeon to summon something that leads to a reunion. Thing is that those are only tales, and Xatu only knows the treasure location on the Sand Continent but Nuzleaf,Beheeyem Yvetal and all the expedition members help you search where are the locations of those other treasures and the dungeons they're in. They can only find the next one after you cleared the current one found and finally you can head to a dungeon on the Mystery Continent after you collected all the treasures to summon a final boss where after defeated, you can finally be given the chance to reunite with your beloved partner! All the dungeons will have boss fights but they'll be fairly matched around your level. Also thinking about it, the treasure could be Time Gears and final boss be Dialga as a throwback!

[@untrollquifaitdesblaguessa6922]

Objectively, it's the best PMD, no matter how you are nostalgic over explorer, you can hide yourself from the fact, but not changing them. It has the best gameplay by far, a very cool story as always, an even better soundtrack (but that's more subjective), the 3D is very cool contrary to what most people tell. You should try to not get yourself blinded by the big mist of nostalga towards the gen 4 and try to open your mind. I'm not here to change your preferance, I can't, of course explorer will stay your favorite, but you could at least not compare them all the time and see the own qualities of this game. -Myself, a Super enjoyer who's starting to get angry to see al explorer comments everywhere when there's nothing to say about it.

[@Lance-xy8hv]

Explores had a better story super had better dungeon mechanics. That's about all it boils down to. Explores main story continues into the post game. Where supers story stops after the credits

[@untrollquifaitdesblaguessa6922]

@@Lance-xy8hv Super doesn't have just "Better dungeon mechanics". And GTI has the best story anyway. There is a little post game story to do after. A big critic I have with old PMD is that the player leaves to come back just after, no story just "oh, you wish to come back? There you go.", in GTI and Super you have to work for it.

[@Lance-xy8hv]

@@untrollquifaitdesblaguessa6922 you don't work for anything in Gates to infinity 😂 a legendary pokemon joins your team right at the beginning of the game. Compared to the explores games where you start at the bottom of the guild and eventually prove that you're ready to graduate from it

[@untrollquifaitdesblaguessa6922]

@@Lance-xy8hv I wasn't even talking about the difficulty, if you cannot understand the other argument then shut up. And even if I was, the dungeon to do in Super as well as in GTI to getting back the player/partner is hard, and you can't even use a legendary here so at least know what you're talking about.

[@Lance-xy8hv]

@@untrollquifaitdesblaguessa6922 nothing about Gates to infinity is hard. Now getting through 40 floors to Darkrai without Cresselia fainting is hard.

[@Pam234]

This game is so hard bruh

[@milopresidente1291]

I loved this game. Just never understood why they took away the gender. That's supposed to affect game play. Well it was take in infinite but still.

[@lupvirga]

2:22 i'm gonna challenge you here. Looplets aren't an improvement, It's flawed because they moved all the IQ abilites and a lot of Held item effects to the Emeras. Emeras are worse then iq as they're necessary to increase and improve your power but you can't keep them. It's cool but fundimentally flawed game design when players want to feel like they're progressing and getting more powerful. what's the point when you're pitifully weak. The IQ system was superior and had way more player control AND gave direct upgrades without effecting your pokemon's ability to function. I hate that Chun soft keeps trying to replace the IQ system when each system is fundamentally worse. Rare Qualities are cool, but, because the game has you constantly recruit pokemon you basically have meat shields almost always on demand which trivializes a lot of the game. Rare Qualities are simply too powerful and common yet too few unless you add bodies which just insanely broken in general. OH and let's not forget your PARTNER THROWS YOUR SET ITEMS....seriously, who's smart idea was it to make it so your partner throws the items you want to use yourself. If this was the original Rescue team or Explorers, you could turn that off, which you cant. you should have COMPLETE control over your partner's AI and what you let them do. Add on the fact the game is very item usage heavy and pokemon THEMSELVES feel very weak which just drives the player not to use their main duo more. so, no, i can't say this is the best game Mechanically when there are flaws that are rooted deep within the core of their changes. the only good change was wands, those things are awesome.

[@Meewthree]

Super isn't my favorite game and I do think Gates built up the Embidiment of Negativity final boss better. Though, I do like the switch of how Hero and Partner defeat it. Gates felt a bit too cirucumstantially convenient and cheesy with the Hero being able to withstand the Bittercold better than everyone else because... they're a human, that's the reason. And while I know a bit of cheese is to be expected of a game for this age demographic the lack of any setup to how everyone in Gates hoping for your success actually magically helping was a bit ??? to me? It's been a long time but Super had a similar "dont give up" moment where everyone's hoping for your success, sure. But the fact that in the end the Partner realizes life *can't* exist without *some* negativity is a lot better to me. Everyone/evermon is not going to be friendly and happy all the time, whether due to their own life experiences making them jaded (like Virizion) or any other reason. But the partner learns to accept that but overall try and put more positivity back into the world, and THAT allows Dark Matter to be defeated. Oh, and also 10/10 for soundtrack, this game had some bangers.

[@owenw.1643]

hot take i liked gates to infinity more than super mystery dungeon

[@killjoy7346]

1 super 2 sky 3time and darkness 4blue rescue team 5 red rescue team 99999999: the dumb one between sky and super

[@killjoy7346]

@@candyneige6609 no i not even knew about that one, i ment gates of infinity

[@candyneige6609]

@@killjoy7346 Right, it was Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Gates to Infinity. Also, Pokémon Legends Arceus is the best Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game.

[@maurotechera2486]

No random shinys, dosnt get my attention

[@defiantralph3327]

I enjoyed the game but the recruitment system was garbage and pissed me off as long time fan of the games lol

[@gubotv3314]

Please blink

[@Tribow]

Something about the dialogue in this game made the story feel very childish. I can't tell if it was a decision of the translators or if it reflects the original dialogue. Still a great game though

[@vaughnrudy8084]

What a weird game. connection orb is weird, pacing is weird, new mechanics are weird, world is weird, storyline is weird

[@mandyogilvie686]

330 like

[@boredfangerrude8759]

Pokemon Mystery Dungeons is such a wasted series. Ultimately, rescue and explorers feel the same wgen they could have been two distinct sides of the series.

[@vibive]

Am I the only one who thinks this game is kinda slow and boring?