Pokemon "Clones" | A Rant...

This video is essentially me venting my thoughts regarding this whole "pokemon clone" situation and what I believe are the reasons for it.
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[@KyogresHideout_Vegito2121]

I can't stand when someone uses the term "Pokemon Clone/Ripoff" unironically because historically it almost always damages the reputation of whatever it's being applied to.

[@melissamurray8307]

If you take a closer look at Pokémon it really does some flaws that are often overlooked because it came out first and is popular. They have literal god like monsters that are caught by children. Not to mention that the humans are the dominant species while their monster friends spend most of their time in their poke balls.

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

This happens in any genre that gets popular. Eventually, they get their own genre name. For example, every fps used to just be a "doom clonse." Every platform fighter used to be a "smash clone." Eventually a name sticks and people start using that instead.

[@gataylor6982]

Kind of like what happened with dark souls

[@darkdeath5550]

or sand box games or open world games, or Factorio being the start of the term Factorio esq.

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

@Pokémon & FF fan No they're just called platform fighters. No one thinks of playstation all stars. They think of games like rivals of aether.

[@gustyko8668]

Or the infamous "metroidvania" as well

[@johnschwalb]

Rouge-like

[@calebporter3735]

Because of the whole "Pokemon Ripoff" mindset, I will always believe and preach that Yo-kai Watch is the most unfairly treated game franchise of all time.

[@lionelottison1471]

Great games and love its different takes.

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

Yo-Kai Watch is a masterpiece.

[@KyogresHideout_Vegito2121]

Yo-Kai Watch was treated so unfairly in the west that now the only way I can and probably ever will be able to play 4 in english is through an unofficial fan translation. And I would've gladly given Level 5 my money for an official translation. :(

[@calebporter3735]

@@KyogresHideout_Vegito2121 Level 5 announced that 4 would be localized but with Abby shut down, it seems unlikely. I think you're right, and our only hope of getting 4 in English is by giving it the Mother 3 treatment.

[@KyogresHideout_Vegito2121]

@@calebporter3735 I'm sure they did plan on translating it originally but after the shutdown of the US branch any Level 5 games coming to the US seems unlikely now.

[@omegadragoon6081]

As a Digimon fan, I remember how, as a kid, people used to brush off other monster taming series, like Digimon, as "knockoff's" and viewed pokemon's dominance as indefinite. But times have change. Now that monster taming games exist that rival if not dwarf pokemon in terms of quality, its only a matter of time before the pokemon empire crumbles. Its only inevitable. All empires fall eventually, its only a matter of time and circumstances.

[@SionReaver]

And like a lot of empires they get complacent since they're the biggest kids on the block and don't/can't change course until its too late. At the moment, other Monster Taming games haven't even made a dent enough to where the genre(outside of Pokemon) has become mainstream. When they Do become mainstream is when things begin to change.

[@sonic-bb]

@@SionReaver monster taming games are mainstream in Japan. Its people in the west that just can't seem to allow multiple similar looking things to exist

[@DracoBudSmith]

I used to be a Pokémon fanboy and dissed Digimon. Eventually, I warmed up to the franchise a couple of years later after watching a few episodes of the anime and even played a couple of PS1 games of it and eventually enjoyed Monster Rancher as well. Recently, I started to enjoy Pokémon games less and went on to try out Nexomon games, Monster Sanctuary, and Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth Complete Edition on my Switch. Also, I can't wait for the new Dragon Quest Monsters game.

[@melissamurray8307]

The Pokémon company has been very lax and has not been putting in as much effort as they have done before.

[@TheHipsterSnek]

Remember back in the day where first-person shooters used to be called "Doom-Clones"? It's like, imagine calling something like Overwatch a Doom Clone and the weird looks you'd get in response. That's what a lot of people are doing by using "Pokemon Clone" in this context.

[@mrhill1172]

Can't agree more Snek, also your videos are great i found you and Ed at the same time a couple of years ago when looking for Monster rancher videos.

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

Overwatch and TF2 fans at each other's necks as if first person shooters can't have characters be in unique classes with unique playstyles.

[@capstalker5539]

Thanks to so many FPS games, but who can change Pokemon's monopoly?

[@sonic-bb]

Early shooters were indeed doom clones tho lol

[@nazeersadek6705]

That’s a very passionate rant and I agree with what you said it’s very annoying to me when people say Pokémon clone especially when Pokémon itself (by their logic anyways) a SMT clone

[@lionelottison1471]

Just had this talk with my nephew. It’s crazy cause they use clone to badmouth great monster capturing games.

[@texus835]

I think my brother is like that too, he always kinda jokes about it but I think he believes it.

[@lionelottison1471]

@@texus835 yeah facts, I had to explain Pokemon didn’t start it so it’s weird how nobody does research in give it all the credit.

[@alphamuplays1669]

clone implies you own the entire concept, monster taming is not copyrighted or patented by pokemon/niantic/nintendo etc

[@fyr3st0rm65]

Shhh, don't give them ideas.

[@SionReaver]

@@fyr3st0rm65 They literally can't, otherwise older games can claim other concepts Pokemon borrowed that came before them. Pretty sure Pokemon wasn't even the first. But if just a joke nvm, its the net so you never know.

[@teifan6674]

People who say every monster collecting game is a "Pokemon clone" just by existing in a genre are like english professors who think all fantastic literature is Tolkien clones, even if they came out before lotr

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

The more close minded individual Pokemon fan from my experience won't say squat when you say Pokemon itself is a shallow knockoff of Dragon Quest 5. Reminder Yo-Kai Watch was never marketed as a "Pokemon Killer", only Viz said that and many got needlessly angry about that. Also there was that NintendoLife review that spent an entire review talking about the history of Pokemon and saying Pokemon was a better game on a review for Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth Complete Edition and some users acting like Digimon on a Nintendo console is forbidden as if that didn't already happen back in the DS era. Meanwhile, they never said a thing similar to that when they made articles about Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland GBC or Yo-Kai Watch Y-Academy on Switch. Both games are easily a way better game when looked at from a more objective standpoint in terms of content and quality. I think the best thing we can do is just continue to support and spread love for other games and still remain true to our own thoughts on Pokemon or any game we love or play and treat others we talk to as individuals and ignore the individuals that insist on spouting ignorance.

[@tcgjanitor9111]

I remember trying to convince others to get into other monster taming games but even when I explained that monster taming is a genre of games and not pokemon "clones" they still never listened.

[@zeldaocarina26]

I remember when the only big monster taming game announcements were just Temtem and Kindred Fates really. I can’t even count how many we have now all with their own unique twist and gameplay. It’s kind of hard to call these games “clones” now, since they don’t even feel like anything Pokémon is doing. Alas, it won’t change the perception of those who are stubborn haha. There’s a reason why KF had to put in its FAQ about the chance of TPC/Nintendo/GF trying to issue a DMCA or a C&D order. It’s sad that it even has to be mentioned, but most people would see KF that way otherwise.

[@MasterodD]

"this game will kill pokemon" and thats the reason the media forgot about Yokai Watch and TemTem

[@Zanji1234]

Pokemon is not a "genre" ... the Genre is "Monster Raising RPG" and Pokemon was NOT the first one :-) therefore i really don't care if someone comes up with "Pokemon ripoff" since that just shows a) they wanna get clicks and b) they don't know better Though something like Coromon,Nexomon or TemTem are clearly more based on Pokemon than any other Monster RPG like Monster Sactuary, Siralim or heck even Shin Megmi Tensei (the battle arena style, the "we catch monsters by throwing stuff at it (Ball, Card, Trap...) stuff is basically the same)

[@capstalker5539]

When I introduce a monster taming game to someone, if I don't mention Pokemon, it will be difficult for them to understand. But when I say it's similar to Pokemon, people will immediately understand what it is. because Pokemon is bigger than the sum of other monster taming games, it's a morbid fact.

[@King_Gatorade]

Funny enough as a kid I thought Digimon came out first but I just happened to like pokemon better because one of the game cartridges was Blue. I dont think a single time have I ever thought any monster game was automatically a copy of pokemon but rather just a different story of an RPG genre

[@MirrorSeal12]

One of the reasons I think people have trouble separating Pokémon with monster tamer games is when the game/monsters have “mon” in the name like: Nexomon, Geomon, Buddymon. They just read “mon” in the name and think “Pokémon clone/ripoff” not knowing it’s combining monster with another word. We monster tamer fans can separate it but they just instantly link it to Pokémon and Digimon because they were the first they played in that genre most likely.

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

The term "mon" is short for "monster" even when referring to Pokemon because its name is short for "Pocket Monsters". Pokemon doesn't own the word "monster" or "pockets" or the concept of monsters either.

[@MirrorSeal12]

@@DrCoeloCephalo I know and agree but they link it because of the “mon” in the name which they shouldn’t because they don’t own the term

[@uwuowo1773]

so they are morons

[@theyamisarrivel4854]

Fun fact : Digital Monsters was abbreviated Digimon before pocket monsters was rebranded Pokémon

[@melissamurray8307]

@@theyamisarrivel4854True. But try telling that to a Pokémon diehard.

[@zorrento14]

I'm a die hard Pokemon fan and I feel in the past couple years pkmn has lowered the standards and set a low bar expectations since generation 6 back in 2013, but that doesn't mean I should discredit other monster taming games just because my favorite game is dying

[@archeduardo]

It's a sad thing that the genre can't stand on its own without being compared all the time

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

Games in a genre merit comparison because they let us experiment to see what can and can't work. Look at platformer games. We can compare numerous games in that genre to each other and can fairly say games like Sonic 06 or Sonic Forces just don't work while games like Wario Land, Super Mario 64, Donkey Kong Country, Spyro and Crash do work and can all stand out from each other regardless.

[@yokaipinata1416]

At least those get compared in a varied way, like two games getting compared over here, three others over there. Unlike this genre, where it's always with Pokémon

[@hunterlavish]

Sidenote, as a viewer not familiar with most of the games you cover (even after watching them for several weeks). I still cant tell which game is which by just style sometimes. If you could put the name of the game in the corner when gameplay is being shown it would go a long way I think. Sometimes I really like the design of a particular monster but have no idea which game it came from, then try to figure out which art style it most closely matches or something. It would be easier if all these games had fleshed out wikis or databases like serebii. and maybe they do and i just dont know where they are... Monster Sanctuary actually has a really good database, but some like nexomon are incomplete or confusing to navigate.

[@Grimsleyhunter36]

So my biggest worry is that Kindred Fates (which is a game still being developed with sweat, blood, and tears) is going to be called a clone of Pokemon Legends Arceus due to some being arrogant and ignorant. And I'm sure at least one person has already done something like that. I'm just hoping that something like this doesn't get worse for other games that were in development because this does put a strain to those who are developing and those who want to develop a monster taming rpg.

[@katherinemerkel3505]

Arceus will have a loud fan crowd that will try to push this narrative. However myself and many others know that kindred fates will be way better. 😉

[@Grimsleyhunter36]

@@katherinemerkel3505 Facts. I agree with that. And I'm in the same boat as you and others :) hopefully some of those die hard fans learn to live with the fact that some monster taming rpg games are not clones of Pokemon at all

[@katherinemerkel3505]

@@Grimsleyhunter36 We should all push a huge advertising campaign on social platforms in 2022. 😊 Anything to help promote Kindred Fates. As for the ignorant masses a good conk on the head should do the trick. 😈

[@katherinemerkel3505]

Maybe an appearance at E3 or a Nintendo direct could help.

[@Grimsleyhunter36]

@@katherinemerkel3505 Oh yeah, that's definitely something that'll take many people off guard

[@p.zansei3280]

Ed, you raise valid points to consider, the majority of them sum up to "inspiration isn't plagiarism" and "we can disagree and still remain civil". I wanna raise ya an interesting case study of a niche subgenre build on derivative stylings: metroidvanias. Like em or hate em, many of them are built similarly with heavy derivative designs, but many of them today still find ways to scratch an itch for many as "their own thing" without getting scrutinized for their roots. I very much dislike "rants" for their less civil nature but I agree with yours, especially given you kept it civil. I don't believe in absolutes or extremes because the world doesn't tailor itself into neat dichotomic boxes.

[@justinbotkin]

I've been following your channel for a while now (since I started designing my own monster capture/battle TTRPG) and I'm glad you made this video. One of the things I was most concerned with was being labeled a "clone" or too derivative of existing games in the genre, even though our game is in a completely different medium. You've been a source of inspiration and information, so thanks!

[@riotkitty]

I don’t ever recall anyone saying that games were Pokémon clones and such, but I have seen people call games “Pokemon killers”, where people dive all in to games they believe will ruin Pokémon. Usually speaking this doesn’t work, as they’re playing the game cause of displeasure, then quickly drop it afterwards. The most recent case being Temtem, and another example is Yokai Watch, which ironically enough causes games to take a sharp dive in popularity, effectively “killing” these games instead of Pokémon. And I am talking in regards to coverage and massive popularity.

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

Yo-Kai Watch is still alive and well and it's given me tons of pleasure with the sheer high level of quality it's offered me that I can't get out of Pokemon games.

[@riotkitty]

@@DrCoeloCephalo Of course Yokai Watch is still alive, I am only talking in terms of massive coverage and popularity. Although it won’t be for much longer it seems, what with Level 5 shutting down North American and Europe operations. The Yokai Watch 4 localization is now completely up in the air

[@melissamurray8307]

@@DrCoeloCephaloSame with Digimon. I haven’t really tried Yo-Kai Watch, but I am certain it is not a Pokémon ripoff.

[@destructo2030]

If someone says a game is like unto a clone of Pokemon, I still give it a shot. Pokemon, Digimon, Nexomon, Monster crown , disc creatures, temtem and Monster Sanctuary are all fun to me. I glad the genre is growing, maybe it will inspire greatness and even better games. I been playing Pokemon since the beginning and like al games there is room for improvement

[@janky477]

Pokemon Clone should be considered a compliment if people are talking about the 2D Era, since Gamefreak can't even seem to make good Pokemon Clones of their own game anymore.

[@katherinemerkel3505]

😆

[@janky477]

@Pokémon & FF fan They've screwed up 6 games, plus 2 DLCs, SINCE 2016. Sun & Moon, Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon, Sword & Shield. If you want to count each gen as one game, that is still 3 Gens in a row they have screwed up. This is a pattern that will only get worse. Delete Gamefreak and we get awesome games like Super Mystery Dungeon, Rangers, Colosseum, Snap, Pinball, and Trozeii. Add someone new to Dev, and Delete Ishihara, we'll probably get something better than just Remakes. Something ACTUALLY fresh and exciting for the franchise. But it can't happen with the people in charge right now, they have failed enough to make that clear.

[@janky477]

@Pokémon & FF fan Ouch. Someone didn't play the older games. Imagine going to a New city and the tour guide talked to you and guided you everywhere you went the entire time you were there. Told you where to sleep, where to go, where to eat. Now do that again two years later with the same tour guide, same city, and same dialogue, with slightly different locations. That's what Generation 7 was like. SM & USUM are not Pokemon games. 👎

[@janky477]

@Pokémon & FF fan The lack of exploration really killed it for me. It reminded me of the slight dissapointment I felt as a kid when playing through Gold Version that Kanto didn't have all the same fun attractions from the first game, but far far more dissapointing.

[@janky477]

@Pokémon & FF fan I'm more of a fan of Open Linear games. The direction is always straight, but it's Open enough that you don't feel constrained.

[@sonnyboy6451]

I Hope that The term "Pokemon clone" Won't Decimate Coromon in The Future Because it is Absolutely Fantastic in Monsters & Story and is the best Monster taming game by far and i dont want the Devs hard and passionate work to go down the drain because of a term.

[@hauntab9173]

I was a die hard pokemon fan and well that drove me to find more pokemon themed series it makes me sad to see that there forced into pokemons shadow

[@Flailmorpho]

someone called SMT a pokemon clone? as a major smt fan I am baffled

[@brotbrotsen1100]

SMT gets hate on way to much. When they finally showed of SMT 5 i remember half of the chat called it a pokemon clone and the other half a persona rip off.....

[@sonic-bb]

@@brotbrotsen1100 smt is the most unnecessarily disrespected game franchise lol

[@uwuowo1773]

normies are a cancer

[@melissamurray8307]

⁠@@brotbrotsen1100Are they not aware that Persona is a spin off of SMT? It’s like calling Digimon a tamagotchi ripoff despite being made by the same company.😂

[@melissamurray8307]

@@sonic-bbEspecially since it and Dragon Quest were the grandparents of the genre.

[@alexkennedy4990]

Mewtwo is a Pokemon Clone.

[@fyr3st0rm65]

Alright I can stop reading the comments, I found the winner.

[@ComicsMATE]

Between the state of sword and shield, and Temtem being so good I don't really care about Pokemon anymore. They killed themselves in my eyes.

[@texus835]

That's the same with me. I think around generation 5 or 6 I started feeling a bit different around these games even if I really liked black and white 2. Not sure which one was mine. Since X and Y I always was less eager to buy these games and finally stopped before sword and shield. I was also never really happy about those third versions.

[@aikou2886]

This but starting from S/M in my opinion.

[@mr.preston1632]

Yeah my interest in Pokémon has faded into nothing

[@ubx9563]

Remember when every single first person shooter was a DOOM/Quake clone? This is the same dumb take.

[@terriermonisgod]

btw i love creature collecting games, and im so glad i found this channel!! this channel can also help untie the association between pokemon and monster taming genre

[@adrienneelfrink2744]

I love all my monster games and even dinosaur raising or robots.

[@Penguin_nerd__]

I personally hated when people said tem tem would kill Pokémon.

[@aikou2886]

I hate whenever someone calls a monster collecting/raising game a PoKeMoN cLoNe. All those games belong to a genre and Pokemon does not have a monopoly over the genre. I know, this is a nice genre and Pokemon is basically one of the most casual games ever but I just can't understand why that's the case for monster callecting/raising games and not any other kind of game. For example, I have never seen anyone call a run and gun game a "contra clone" or a "metal slug rip-off".

[@sonic-bb]

Trust, they used to lol. But often times, those games did look very similar and were clearly inspired by metal slug and contra

[@sonic-bb]

All the double dragon and fatal fury clones as well lol. Now known as beat em ups

[@MonsterCrown]

That digimon-rip-off comment was lit

[@melissamurray8307]

Considering Mega Evolution being a temporary evolution that is triggered by the bond between human and monster is a lot like digivoling. Of course, temporary evolutions isn’t exclusive to just Digimon.

[@gorit3831]

Really good video. This is exactly what our community needs, because those people who demerit monster taming games don't understand that diversity the best that could happen to the genre, including pokemon. If more games compete with pokemon, it will force GameFreak to make better games.

[@uwuowo1773]

no it wont their lemming fanbase will buy anything clearly

[@janieboy]

Love the majula theme as Background music. It's so chill

[@ItzMajinTCG]

Yeah I think the Pokémon community as a whole could use a bit of a chill pill 9 posts out of 10 are riddled w people arguing and personally attacking each other over a subject THEY BOTH LIKE. People can argue if they want to, but I use video games for stress relief, and I refuse to make it stressful just because people on the internet want me to.

[@altrivotzck6565]

I don't really mind the term itself, but I agree that it's a bad term to describe the genre, simply because it is usually used with a negative connotation (which makes no sense from a rational standpoint), and it's often not accurate, anyways. There are some problems with having a game genre tied to the most prominent of its first examples (I can't say *the* first, because there were "monster tamers" before Pokémon) A couple of GMTK videos delve into what I'm talking about in the paragraph below: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqmac4qXrryoZpo & kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWqpc2iIadyJpNE Most genres are originally called by this kind of a name when they are just starting out (Doom clones, Smash clones, etc.) There are some popular Genres today that still have this kind of a title (Roguelike & Soulslike) which cause some negative issues on the genre as a whole. Roguelike thankfully broke free of most of these issues (before Spelunky & Isaac, they used to all be very similar to the original rogue), but there are still some issues with the name (There is a group of "Roguelike Elitists" who like to disparage games that call themselves roguelikes for not being similar enough to Rogue). "Permadeath genre" or "Reset genre" would probably be more fitting names for the current state of the genre, but Roguelike is just so popular of a name, and those examples also have their own issues (Calling it permadeath might have restricted the creativity of developers to always thinking of the game as needing to have "permadeath", rather than something like Patch Quest's recall, if there were not already multiple examples of games that don't follow this.) I agree with you that Monster Taming is probably the best name for the genre. It's snappier than "Monster Controlling" & it more accurately describes the genre than "Creature Collecting" The whole genre should definitely not be called Pokémon clones, especially since that isn't even really accurate to many of them, but if it weren't for the negative connotations that that kind of a name drags with it, I wouldn't mind calling games like Nexomon or Coromon by that term, since it's pretty accurate.

[@lubbo5261]

Pokémon-Like would also be a good term, like Souls-Like or Wild-Like are.

[@altrivotzck6565]

@@lubbo5261 I talked about that in the comment? Those each have their own minor problems. Souls-like isn't that bad, since most souls-like games want to be like darksouls, but Roguelikes being called roguelikes held the genre back for a long time.

[@imperiumregalis4193]

Well-said Ed-kun. Well-said. Thanks for bringing this out there. I myself am working on a story with Monster-Taming included and I'll be taking inspirations from here and there whilst still making my unique twist.

[@sissywizard1764]

Keeping the community wise, thanks Leader Ed ✌😎

[@captainhakob814]

Monster sanctuary is an amazing game. It's in my top ten best games ever. Including Pokemon red/silver. And monster sanctuary is nothing close to pokemon, it's requires a ton of skill.

[@AnangRabo]

for me as a person who like this genre pokemon just one of a biggest brand who monopolizing this genre like we actually have so many monster taming game back than like Monster rancher, Chocobo dungeon, Metabot and other think now days they gone like just the only one is pokemon and no one know about it. Sometime pokemon fan little bit rude went they say other game who have similar mechanic is pokemon rip-off/Clones even they never play the game.

[@lionelottison1471]

Dragon quest joker too.

[@zerokura]

The jade cacoon series are fun the first game you throw trap balls to catch weaken monsters you can even fight using a dagger its was i think kind of hard game i have not played alot of but had beat jade cacoon 2.

[@Poltergeist8000]

Finally a video that has facts

[@slashermaster28]

It really gets to me especially how this is, like, the one sub-genre that gets this treatment more than anything else. I can't think of any other genre that gets this level of ire from the general public. Sure, abridged series got this treatment back when Naruto Abridged first premiered, but after a year or two, people finally eased up and realized LK didn't need to be the only abridger out there. There was a time when another animation studio couldn't make a hand-drawn musical without people mistaking it for Disney, but thanks to the Internet, that's not as big of an issue. And while FPS's used to be compared to Doom, it didn't take long for people to realize it was a genre. monster collection, on the other hand, is still seen by so many Pokemon purists as something only Pokemon is allowed to do, and it's frustrating. They seem to be easing up a little bit if only because gen 8 got them to finally realize that maybe trying something different isn't such a bad idea, but there are still tons of Pokemon fans out there who just can't accept that other options exist.

[@sonic-bb]

Platform fighters get this treatment as well. And doom clones used to

[@neliaironwood7573]

@@sonic-bb While first person shooters can easily innovate and have unique ideas, platform fighters/Smash clones tend to rely on their playerbase and competitive way too much. It further doesn't help that most Smash clones fall off in terms of popularity every few months due to oversaturation. Animal Crossing clones don't have this problem because they can be enjoyed entirely single-player, unlike Smash clones. Prior to the 2010s when indie Smash clones like Rivals of Aether and Brawl Out hit the scene, there were only a few platform fighter games and most did their own thing to avoid being deemed a Smash clone, PlayStation All Stars tried to do its own thing but its troubled development and poor execution certainly didn't help (it even caused its dev to shut down afterward).

[@cyburn9986]

This reminds me about the video mother’s basement made saying that yugioh of all things was a Pokémon clone.

[@GymLeaderEd]

Lmaoo

[@mr.preston1632]

@@GymLeaderEd But he had the decency to say its fine for them to be clones or something like that

[@SweetToothKane8052]

i know its kingdom hearts but that game is an action rpg/ monster taming you still raise them even though they dont evolve.

[@okeanos317]

well I'm a die hard pokemon fan,since the first red and blue,but I believe I'm done,time to move on

[@jaxxh6529]

Not everything if you can catch monsters is a pokemon clone it all began with digital devil story on the nes (famicom in japan) then on the super famicom (snes in japan) dragon quest 5 in 1992 when a friend of me watched me play nexomon extinction he says: muaaa its a pokemon clone so i sed: come on dude react normal please its not its totaly difforent

[@jaxxh6529]

There is even an audio based game manamon 1 and 2 the defs site is vgstorm

[@atcera8714]

When people refer to Digimon as a Pokemon clone, the argument is done, they lost, they have no knowledge of Digimon and it's history. Digimon is a masculine version of the Tamagotchi, the game where you just take care of a digital pet. The only thing they took from pokemon at most would be the ability to battle. The premise is completely different. Nah scratch that Digimon was more of a Toy than a game.

[@fallindevast5574]

I have abandoned pokemon, not even interested in gen 4 remake or snap. I'm now having a blast with temtem and luma hunting atm, and already have acquired 18 lumas.

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

Good work.

[@AcidArrestB]

I got my 1st luma yesterday, temtem is so fun

[@mr.preston1632]

Good work mam on not getting the real pokemon closes ( Snap is fine I just really despise the remakes as of now )

[@AIChameleonMusic]

wow this channel is 100% worth the sub and ive seen more popular channels with far less integrity so you better slam that sub button you shameful bastards this guys amazing. Based on the creators obvious knowledge of the genre and INTEGRITY alone, to make videos JUST LIKE THIS ONE this creator earns my respect, likes subs all day. Ty for the content I have really enjoyed this channels Nexomon coverage especially! and the respect you show to the monster tamer genre as a whole bringing clarity to feelings we have all shared about the pokemon franchise as lifelong fans is also something I really appreciated about this one! It made me think of how very different devs are from one game to another as well. Temtem has (imo and its ok if you disagree) been a huge disappointment as has pokemon recent years. We were all starved for something new and some of us even found that thanks to creators like this one! I am for one very thankful to have found nexomon franchise and look forward to their 3rd game with baited breath. That said its also imo healthy competition for pokemon and while i surely will buy Pokemon Legends Arceus when it drops? I also cant wait for the next Nexomon games! So if anything i feel the diversity unifies and solidifies this videos point. We should get in a more integral habbit of calling these "Tamer Genre Games" not clones because what you find in games like nexomon is a unique experience you could damn well be missing out on over ignorance, bias and a lack of over all integrity (I can relate i was ignorant to my options until I found this channel). We all deserve better co-creators that is the lesson here, Integrity goes a long way with me. I slammed that sub button and you have a new fan. Amazing video.

[@GymLeaderEd]

Damn thank you so much it means a lot to me :)

[@frozezone2947]

It's like when doom was popular around, other fps were consider doom clones but then again doom as a whole gave birth to a new game genre

[@Leondragon06]

If a monster taming game does not have dragons they are meh =P lol this just coming me loving dragons so I somewhat jokingly say.

[@YouMayKnowMeAsNate]

I agree with everything you said except when you put “Pokémon 2.0” in the same category as “Pokémon clone”. I think it’s fair to call something a 2.0 of another game if fixes a lot of the complaints of the first game, or, is a better installment in the same genre, to put it another way. It’s just a minor complaint, I do very much agree with the overall idea

[@Kyouma.]

I agree with what you said. I, for example, love RPG games, but when I test an RPG and I feel that's it's not for me, then I just won't play it. You can love a genre, but you don't have to like every game from it. RPG A is not like RPG B, and so on

[@baitposter]

The ones actually inspired by Pokemon and putting their own ideas and spins into it, those aren't clones; those are evolutionary mutants

[@justinsarcedo9355]

Nothing last forever. This monster taming genre will always keep evolving. But, the one stick around enough to keep going is a achievement itself. Digimon is one of them, it has its up and downs. But, new other ones will always come sooner or later.

[@markuswithak5084]

yeah,I just saw a video of someone 'judging Temtem and Kindred Fates and other games by design' and comparing them to pokémon most of the time. How those games don't have design philosophies or are lazy in terms of design but then brings up pokémon examples who suffer the same flaws but this gets glossed over FAST. the bias is real... BTW,calling Shin Megami Tensei a Pokémon clone... *WOW*

[@eternalshadow1326]

From what I have played of monster taming games including pokemon I feel that even if they are similar to pokemon there has always been differences and as such I do not see them as clones rather they are similar games plus even though the monster tamer genre doesn't have as many games there is still a diverse range of them and how they play.

[@Douglas628]

"By their logic Pokémon is a Digimon clone" Well, I mean, if you consider the fact that, pretty much every new mechanic pokémon adds into their games is something Digimon already did... Hell, you can find stuff like this as soon as Gen 2. But seriously, though, you see a lot of this stuff with games that get too popular, specially between nintendo fans. Now pretty much any game with large grasslands and glowing stones is a Breath of the Wild clone, even though I can't think of single gaming concept this title introduced. If Dragon Quest VIII was released today, I'm pretty sure they'd call that game a BotW clone too.

[@Douglas628]

​-Monsters being born from Eggs -Baby Monsters -Colored/Regional/gender-based Variants -Real-world time based mechanics -Friendship related mechanics -Female Player character -Branching Evolution paths -Harvesting/feeding system -Signature moves -Concept of Passive Skills (AKA abilities) -Inventory that separates usable items from Key Items -Colored/Semi-animated/Animated sprites -Being able to connect with your game with a device from another platform -Personality related stat (AKA Nature) -2v2/3v3/Vs 5 Battles -Being able re-learn moves -Wifi conectivity -Fusing Monsters -Temporary Evolutions -The envroiment affecting evolutions -QR scan -Stat training system -Riding system (Surf is not a riding mechanic) -Pokémon-Amie and all its variations are virtually V-pets -Poké Pelago system is pretty much the Farm Islands -Adding accessories to your monster -Cooking -Camping -Your monster getting really big All of these are things Digimon did before Pokémon, either in-game or in overall lore. It's not really a bold statement, it's known fact for the people that followed both franchises. And not only Digimon, but MANY other games have done these and pretty much everything else pokémon does before them. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad thing that they take inspiration from other stuff, but don't come acting as if most of their mechanics are 'entirely original', that's just delusional. Pokémon is known for being a stagnant franchise and only doing things after they've been around for over a decade, if I had actually included the things other franchises did first, there would be almost nothing unique left about it, after all, not even the original game's concept was something that haven't been done before.

[@BeliasLP]

Digimon didn't came out after Pokemon, Digimon came out in the same year as Pokemon actually, but it wasn't called Digimon, it was called Digital Monster VPet Pendulum. There's no way either of those franchises is a rip-off of the other, because while Pokemon was all about collecting Monsters, Digimon was about taking care of a single monster and feeding it, cleaning it, like a tamagotchi etc. and no, Digimon isn't a rip off of Tamagotchi either, its from the same Dev. In Fact, its somewhat the successor to Tamagotchi, although tamagotchi never stopped production too.

[@HyouVizer]

This was so satisfying to watch. meanwhile those kind of hardcore pkmn fans defend the franchise without realizing the game they call a "pkmn-clone" is often a lot more unique, bold, innovative than an actual mainline pkmn game. I'm mainly thinking of Sw/Sh naturally

[@Tyfuzzle]

This kinda reminds me of how game journos went through a phase of comparing any slightly difficult game to Dark Souls. "Control is the Dark Souls of storytelling games" or some trash. It's not good comparison or anything, but there are some similarities in how every moderately difficult game had to be compared to DS, and how some people treat monster taming games.

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

I think I vaguely recall some game journo comparing Spyro to Dark Souls just because they couldn't make a pretty precise glide jump.

[@Tyfuzzle]

@@DrCoeloCephalo It happened with the first game of the Crash N. Sane Trilogy because Crash's hit boxes were different making the game harder.

[@starmangalaxy2001]

I don't like stuff being called Pokemon clones, but when you say Monster Tamer the average guy might be like "what?" But when you say "It's kinda like pokemon" they understand that, because Pokemon is by far the most well known Monster tamer. It's just like how every single Metroidvania is called thag because it's an adventure platformer. Or how top down adventure games are just called Zelda clones. Honestly the only reason why RPGs are called that is because a popular source material is D&D, which calls itself an RPG...

[@melissamurray8307]

Personally, I don’t care if Pokémon came out first I prefer Digimon from it’s concept, characters, stories, characters, monsters, evolutions, and lore Digimon caters more to my tastes. While I may not love everything the franchise has put out I like their willingness to try new things.

[@zerokura]

We need to treat it like dark souls lol. Its the pokemon of racing games its the pokemon of horror heehee but fun rant it is pretty negative when you say its a clone. Dark souls dont have the term dark souls clone just its the dark souls of a gene heh dark souls of pokemon.

[@sissywizard1764]

It is kind of funny how "Souls-Like" because such a term of endearment, yet "Pokemon Clone" is like this nasty cheap effort of making a profit of someone else's intellectual properties..

[@PeliPelaaja]

They are Pokémon clones until the Indie Studios have marketing budgets similar to Pokémon's.

[@ajflink]

Anyone who says that SMT is ripping off Pokémon has no argument because the first SMT game released before the first Pokémon games. Also, they are extremely dissimilar to each other.

[@terriermonisgod]

its also a problem of vocal people. i think many older people know that monster taming games are more than pokemon. but a lot of kids dont, and they are very vocal online about pokemon. and im not sure that will ever change. cus pokemon is the ultimate kids merch series, the most successful in fact. its a cultural icon over a gaming franchise imo

[@zsheets7483]

Valkyrie Profile was a Pokemon clone. The Einherjar were your Pokemon and Lenneth herself was the pokeball. Now you'll never be able to get that thought out of your head. You're welcome. Jokes aside, I agree with Ed that we shouldn't trash an entire genre based on one game in it being both popular and long-established. Innovation in a genre will be encouraged with more titles in competition rather than having just one series dominating the whole thing. In my estimation, Game Freak has gotten complacent, with Dexit being the latest example of this. The lack of an in-game National Dex to fill doesn't bother me; in fact, I think that's been a positive change. What bothers me is the lack of gameplay support for the library of critters and moves that they've introduced over the years. Considering how many games they've made in the series and such backwards compatibility has been a series staple, they've imposed upon themselves an implicit responsibility to continue that tradition.

[@davidmayer4374]

Pokemon is one of the biggest franchises and brands in the world. Its bigger than Star Wars or Marvel. Every new Pokemon Game sold about 15 Million Copys. Most video game companys are happy if their games sell a small fraction of that. Sadly most other monster collector games or franchises never got nearly as successful as pokemon. As a kid I loved the Digimon anime which was much better than the pokemon anime. But sadly not much of the other kids at my school cared about it. Many called Digimon a Pokemon clone. Which is just bullshit. The Animes are not even falling in the same Genres. Because Digimon is an Isekai where humans wonder to a fantasy world. While Pokemon plays completly in a fantasy world. Its the same with video games. I remember that I was very excited when the Spectrobes Video Game came out and loved it a lot. Then a good friend of me loughed at me and said "What you bought that game that said we gonna rip off Pokemon and gonna do the exectly same thing." I was kinda surprised by a statement like that. Because to me Spectrobes felt very different. You got your monsters by collecting fossils and the battles where action based not turn based. You cant tell me that this game tried to rip off Pokemon. Yeah they tried to capitalise on Pokemon Success. (But thats the same thing as when a new found footage film comes out and wants to become the new blair which project. But nobody calls every found footage film a blair which project ripp off.) That game had so many unique creative features. I had noticed so many similar reactions when you mention any monster collector game that is not Pokemon. That I kinda gave up on arguing with normal people about that. I even used Pokemon Clone as a description of some Monster Games, even trough I know that they are not, simply to convince a friend of buying a few of them, because I know he loves Pokemon a lot and want him to check out other games we would like to. I dont think that Monster collector games becoming more popular will change the opinion of the public that they are all Pokemon clones. Pokemon is such a big franchise that no other will soon come even close to its success. There a simply so many merchandising goods that you cant get Pokemon out of peoples heads even if the games are getting worse and worse. Every where you see people with a pokemon bag, pokemon t-shirt etc. But the indi games will get much more popularity. But before games like Nexomon or Temtem dont get their own anime adaptations they will be light years away of beating Pokemon. Calling any game a Pokemon killer sounds ridicolous to me. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises

[@denysvision]

And the bad thing is that pokemon get away with buggy mess like scarlet and violete

[@baitposter]

Just wait until they hear about Doom clones

[@joicegeorgi7700]

How you doing man not any coromon news yet????😅😅😅

[@zatchbells]

pokemon fanboys need to get out of this selfish mindset that no other monster games can exist other then pokemon just because of their nostalgia glasses are cutting the blood flow to their brains for a franchise that has lost most of its popularity after the late 90's ended its time to let other games spread their wings and innovate the monster game genre

[@lubbo5261]

I wouldn't say Pokémon fans are selfish, they are more scared that other games might replace Pokémon. I mean Pokémon can't even compete to its own older games so how in the world will they be able to compete to others. For Dark Souls Fans games like Code Vein are more of what the love. For Pokémon Fans games like Nexomon are a danger of replaceing what they love. They just don't realise that Pokémon is what destroys it self.

[@jaxxh6529]

Puzzles and dragons? Also? No. Yes you can catch monsters and evolve them even the super mario bros. Edition on the 3ds is a totally difforent game haha so let them it is wat it is those games are fun, and thats what it is all about, having fun at the end.

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

If someone is dumb enough, they'd call Puzzles and Dragons a clone of Pokemon Trozei.

[@jaxxh6529]

@@DrCoeloCephalo aaaaaa pokemon link better known here in europe like pokemon link: battle

[@snapps9838]

i love these rant videos

[@manuelaxolot4945]

Everything is a derivative and pokemon is no exception

[@aaronwise1089]

Ahhh yes good old Digimon and Pokemon and temtem and Nexomon

[@jhonayo4887]

Are there any monster taming game without random encounters?

[@StylishYeoman]

*Sees that KZbin automatically said this video was about Legends: Arceus* gYm LeAdEr Ed Is A pOkEmOn ClOnE

[@DracoBudSmith]

I've always hated seeing monster taming games get unfairly titled by journalists, Pokemon Clones just to get views. You wouldn't called a new 2D/ 2.5D Fighter a Street Fighter Clone? Or a new platformer a Mario Clone?

[@marshallgraham2178]

I've always been using it loosely, I didn't know it was used as an insult until now, damn I feel dirty. I'm a pokemon fan myself, but I've been curious of the other monster taming games since I've found this channel. I now say Pokemon esque to keep myself from raging others.

[@mr.preston1632]

Its not even Pokémon Esque games, if you aren’t using this term to diss the genre, its fine

[@marshallgraham2178]

@@mr.preston1632 Monster Taming fits the genre name better than Pokemon Esque, I changed it weeks after that comment.

[@mr.preston1632]

@@marshallgraham2178 Ok

[@SweetToothKane8052]

how come no one mentions kingdom hearts 2.8 dream drop distance in monster taming genre.

[@gustyko8668]

It's more of a "secondary" feature.

[@albatross1688]

Well, I like Pokemon, but I don't like the direction the franchise is heading in, and I honestly don't think anything should have a veritable monopoly, even if I happen to like that thing. Competition is good because it encourages devs to give us their best effort. Also, people calling SMT a Pokemon clone may as well be saying Doom is a CoD clone. Some people are just...I can't even.

[@wesel140]

i feel like i heared the majula theme on the background in the beginning

[@GymLeaderEd]

Lmfao it's during the whole track ;p awesome background music

[@wesel140]

@@GymLeaderEd hahah thats so coool!!! i loved DS2 allot

[@baddragon7057]

Pokemon is a clone of pokemon 😢

[@PregnantAdamSandler]

I think part of this comes from a very capitalist/pioneer outlook in that because pokemon was "first" or the most successful then how DARE other series try and cash in on and copy their innovative idea and STEAL their income! Or something like that

[@GymLeaderEd]

Nice to see u xward :)

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

Wouldn't make sense by that logic anyway since Dragon Quest had already established itself as the top dog of RPGs in sales in Japan long before Pokemon existed and already had monster collecting.

[@PregnantAdamSandler]

@@DrCoeloCephalo Japan has always had a fair larger amount of mon catchers than we got so the pokeclone/pokeripoff seems to be a distinctly western issue. I assume that my initial comment still holds water under that assumption as DQ has never been as popular here (heck, all DQM games after joker 2 were left unlocalized)

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

@@PregnantAdamSandler Alot of Westerner individuals seem to have some kind of close minded stigma around titles under FPS genre or monster collector but never platformer games despite all 3 genres being very beloved in the West.

[@RescueSquadCulp]

👍

[@neliaironwood7573]

See, this genre is EXTREMELY hard to innovate in. The big selling point of Pokemon is within its diversity of monsters/units to choose from. This isn't like gacha games where there's 100-200+ monsters/units/heroes with nat 5s/SSRs and some of these games would either go physical/magical or or earth/water/fire and light/dark viceversa. Pokemon has a ton of types which is also one of the big selling points. Can you imagine trying to cram 100-200 monsters that aren't just carbon copies/re-types of eachother in a NON-gacha game? There's a reason why there's been a lot of Souls-like games, Animal Crossing clones and Smash clones, but not Pokemon clones from indie devs. We're not talking about summoner action RPGs where you, the Summoner, can attack by themselves here.

[@denysvision]

You can create different monster but put spin on it such as monster sanctuary, monster crown and cassete beasts, and also other monster colector games that have their own fanbase such as dragon quest monsters,digimon, shin megami tensei, persona, shi no kuni and yo kay watch are still a thing

[@spademagna2672]

Is that the Majula theme from Dark souls 2 playing?

[@GymLeaderEd]

Damn straight nice tune for this style of video

[@texus835]

Well I don't actively go and call anything Pokemon clone or think that way either, but if I feel like it, then I will call something better than pokemon. I mean that I never really try to fuel some sort of hate. I did like it however to see videos challenging what pokemon currently is like and stuff like that. I can only say that even if I like certain vidoes or reactions, I never fel like I went to much in any direction with it. Then again saying stuff like Shin Megami Tensei is a pokemon clone.....well you might remember how I was thinking when I thought you called anything a monster taming game? Not sure how they get the idea to call SMT that.

[@EnbyFish]

Wasn’t expecting a Persona picture here haha

[@leixalkvinay2729]

Well, in this specific context is referring to SMT, so is a Demon not a Persona.

[@EnbyFish]

@@leixalkvinay2729 I just recognize it from P5 (Jack Frost, right?) it’s the only shin megami game I’ve participated in lol

[@leixalkvinay2729]

@@EnbyFish Yeah, thats normal, I was talking only about this specific case, I didn't want to be a "elitist" or to correct you, take it more like a fun fact xd

[@EnbyFish]

@@leixalkvinay2729 I'm not a sweaty commenter who thought you meant anything by it. I'm happy to learn more

[@marszblak2436]

ive had more fun on temtem than shield and sword

[@av4010]

i generally agree, but some absolutely are lol, like Coromon

[@roberttorrence8986]

Great video i want to start by saying im a huge pokemon fan iv played every one of them lol but i also love video games so i agree that just because a game is similar its not a rip off of another game that being said i recently played nexomon 1 and im not saying its a rip off but it has so many similarities that you cant completely deny it either dont get me wrong i liked nexomon and i probably will pick up the second one i just hope it dose some things different to make it its own game and another great example of a tamer game that’s different from pokémon is a game called jades cacoon for the ps1 and its wone of my favorites

[@lamihadamshareef5270]

When I say something "something clone" From genere then I get quite mad when there genere names for a reason

[@mr.preston1632]

Is it like when you say a platformer, you say mario clone, or RPG, a Dragon Quest clone, something like that?

[@joicegeorgi7700]

Pokemon franchise is top on their game because there are youtuber who devoted for pokemon . Like they have their own series which promote even more which create big hypes and their games are very but that doesn't mean other are not good . The terms like Pokemon clone and other games are garbage which is toxic. If some games devs decide to I want to create my own unique game and you don't like it that is not defined fault that is how you see the game. Pokemon franchise they listen to their fans and that's why they love it

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

"Pokemon franchise listens to its fans." No, they don't.

[@joicegeorgi7700]

You are false false theory