Pokemon Company/Nintendo Respond Amidst Palworld's Explosive Success & Plagiarism Accusations

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[@YongYea]

Many seem to agree that Nintendo/Pokemon Company doesn't have a case unless there's proof that 3D models were directly ripped from Pokemon, which is where a lot of the debate seems to be happening. For now, Nintendo seem to be biding their time while confirming they're looking into it. Time will tell if Pokemon Company will find compelling enough evidence to deem it worthwhile to take this to court. PATREON: www.patreon.com/yongyea TWITTER: twitter.com/yongyea INSTAGRAM: instagram.com/yong_yea TIKTOK: www.tiktok.com/@yongyea TOP PATRONS [BIG BOSS] - Devon B - gergely oggolder - Jonathan Ball [BOSS] - Charlie Galvin - Gerardo Andrade - Marketing aag - Michael Redmond [LEGENDARY] - azalea - dirt

[@jondeiconic2552]

Oh here we go with this court battle case between pokemon vs palworld

[@VashNyght]

dude its just ark survival pokemon edition

[@AntonsVoice]

The 3d modeller admitted to screwing with the pal world skeletons

[@jondeiconic2552]

@@VashNyght exactly. Why they are so triggered by it

[@FullMoonDeria]

If Pokemon opens that door for scrutiny, then they're opening the door to be scruntinized themselves for Pokemon to other monsters that came out earlier, like Tiger for Monster Rancher.

[@handbanana4899]

It's a testament to how good Nintendo's PR is, that it maintains a name as a family friendly company while operating with the ruthlessness of a Yakuza family

[@hoki0624]

So... a Yakuza family friendly company?

[@lycanwarrior2137]

Nintendo and Valve...

[@ZodiacDemon]

I mean Nintendo does have its roots as a owned yakuza buisness.

[@cheesebucketman1606]

​@@lycanwarrior2137the hell you mean Valve. Oooh is this a response to valve taking down a carbon copy NOT A MOD of TF2 with TF2 assets and not made from the ground up. and advising the portal 64 guys to stop before Nintendo does something.

[@archersterling6726]

Nintendo has no honor nor duty

[@KayRayJay]

People seem to forget Pocketpair is also based in Japan and has to follow all the same draconian copyright laws that let Nintendo be as litigious as they are. They themselves said they had all the legal stuff cleared prior and most of the pals were shown in the trailer years ago. If Nintendo had a case Palworld would have never seen the light of day.

[@rileymachelle4088]

THANK YOU. Holy fuck. It's so annoying seeing all this discourse when Nintendo has had years to stop this game from existing. If they were going to do anything, it'd already be done by now

[@pillullis]

This. Nintendo got the Pokemon Mod taken down overnight and they most likely are just putting that message so Pokemon stans could STFU already. About time someone explained this.

[@Fire-Manz]

Yeah, like even if we were to sue here in the states it'll be very hard to argue that this is a direct ripoff. Even the modeling would be very hard to prove since the final product is different from Nintendo's pokemon, even going far beyond that court could say both clearly inspired from animals - which you can not copyright.

[@doopness785]

The fact that anyone defends that boring copy paste snorefest that is the Pokémon franchise still boggles my mind.

[@coryv5679]

That and Nintendo can't really talk when something like 70% of their original game's Pokemon were ripped straight from Dragon Quest. Even to this day Nintendo takes from Dragon Quest's ideas.

[@flynnoflenniken7402]

Whatever ends up happening, I'm happy if Game Freak/Pokemon get some actual competition and the motivation to actually improve their games.

[@spacepiratekobold5112]

Narrator: Game Freak in fact did not improve their games

[@dbfzato-1327]

took the words out my mouth lol@@spacepiratekobold5112

[@BigBoss-sh2jx]

they wont, theyll sue, take the game down, and continue their garbage games

[@ravenger5672]

This is what I was hoping too, but I gotta admit these two replies are the more realistic outcome. Sadly enough, I don’t think Gamefreak has any intention of improving. Even though at this point their games are half broken, have worse visuals than PS2 games, they’re reusing assets from their 3DS games. None of that matters when Pokemon fans make every new game the best selling Pokemon game ever.

[@fightthepowerman]

​@ravenger5672 Doesn't matter to them. We will judge, though... perhaps tweet something strongly worded... ye, that'll teach 'em

[@robinb.2745]

It's a very smartly designed game. I bought it expecting meme fun, and definitely got it, but the actual focus on the "Pals" as being the core of the various mechanics (combat, crafting, exploration) makes finding new ones engaging and exciting. It's genuinely fun to play.

[@kusog3]

yeah, discovering new pals to help crafting and buidling easier so you don't have to build/craft the rest once you get started.

[@BasilAbdef]

Pokemon wishes it were as well fun as Palworld is.

[@Kratos263]

They're not responding to Palworld, they're responding to the "fans" spamming them

[@jamal3298]

Yeah Pocketpair would be bankrupt by now if Nintendo smelled a drop of blood. This is Pokemon fanboys trying to cancel the Palworld.

[@00yiggdrasill00]

​@@jamal3298agreed. Even as someone who loves their games I can fully acknowledge Nintendo is ruthless with the lawyers. If they thought they had something to go on they would have attacked years ago.

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

yeah, they just want to appease their little sheep. I don't understand people. I've been a pokemon fan since I was a kid. But I'm also having a blast playing Palworld. Why can't people just enjoy both? I definitely noticed... inspirations, but there's no plagiarism. It's a different genre, and different target audience. Nintendo isn't going to win this one, if they noticed something fishy they would have striked years earlier. And to be honest? I'm glad Palworld is so popular. It's a good game, and pokemon has been comfortable for way too long, resulting is sh*t cashgrabs. Maybe seeing Palword's popularity will force them to make better games, although I highly doubt it will be the case.

[@jamal3298]

@@catscanhavelittleasalami This is how everyone with a functioning brain should see it.

[@madslentoft6682]

Pokémon fans on Twitter can't let other people have fun. Gatekeeping at its best.

[@skysmusic__7666]

has Nintendo ever made a statement before taking legal action? no. I think this statement is simply them saying "we wish we could do something about it, but we can't"

[@hjelpen5387]

also probably to stop thousands of people sending them email every day telling them to copy strike the game or something like nintendo would not know about it already

[@ericdunn9001]

No if you want to make money from a lawsuit, you have to let them make the money first. The devs are probably broke atm.

[@duifr]

@@ericdunn9001 lol as if that would stop them, they dont want the money, its about sending a message

[@JsYTA]

"Turst us, we have our entire legal team watching this and the very *moment* that we catch these dudes slipping I *guaran-freaking-tee* we'll be on it. *_TRUST_* "

[@DisDatK9]

Exactly, and I think you're absolutely right. If anything, it's a warning to Palworld devs saying "Hey, watch your ass, the moment we find any dirt we are coming for you." As well as a statement to the public to say "Hey we know it exists, stop tweeting at us please"

[@MrEsphoenix]

Nothing sadder than watching people spending their time trying to help a mega corporation sue an Indy dev just so they can ruin other people's fun. Especially when Nintendo is known for anti-consumer practices and taking advantage of its fans. Here's hoping they don't find shit to take legal action over, and the sad acts going out of their way to try and stir shit find something that makes them happy, rather than trying to ruin other people's fun over petty bitterness.

[@ravenger5672]

“It’s making the games I love, that have done literally nothing to innovate except for watering down the gameplay more and more, look bad! The newest Pokemon is visually comparable to PS2 generation games, and this game actually looks like it was made for modern computers! I can’t stand for this! Nintendo! GET THEM!” ^the sad people in question before pretending there’s a legitimate copyright infringement^

[@MrEsphoenix]

@@ravenger5672 This may actually be good for Pokémon. If they consider it competition or realise how well a good Pokémon game could sell, they may put more work into the next one or actually bring it to other platforms.

[@aerostrafe1075]

Personally Idc for the situation overall. I tried palworld and I just can't get in to it. Pokemon has been shit though so not much to scratch my need for a monster partner game til the new digimon game comes out.

[@christineb1431]

You are so right on this omggg exactly what I've been saying

[@KingNexusMOCs]

Yet it's funny how the only reason this game is even in the news is because people are hate playing it to spite Nintendo.

[@docdirtymrclean3610]

All of these armchair lawyers. Nintendo would have shut this down ASAP if they could have. This " debate " is ridiculous.

[@0taku912]

A small studio makes a successful game and people attempts to ruin instead of having fun. This is why we can't have nice things.

[@cheesebucketman1606]

Yes

[@meeb_consumer]

Let the pokechuds be pokechuds. This is where the boys get separated from the men in terms of creature collector fans. The ones who realize Pokemon is dogshit now versus the ones who continue to defend this thirsty little passionate local monopoly on a genre. The monster tamer games are rising, and pokemon can't do anything to stop them. Cassette beasts, palworld, coromon... The fall of Pikachu is imminent. And as someone whose creative design is all about making creatures like these, I couldn't be happier that creativity is free.

[@goomyman23]

It’s highly likely now that they made a successful game but shortcutted the pal design by stealing IP and changing it. But… they might have made enough money to change character designs and settle out of court

[@xnlac]

The company you're defending constantly steals from other small indies too. They're not saints

[@unsuspectingvisitor]

​@@goomyman23that's just speculation and I'm pretty sure they didnt cheap out since they used 1 billion yen to create the game.

[@FlameSoulis]

Careful about that whole 'they stole the models' thing, as the one who did the comparison pictures between the two outright said they lied, given that the models were stretched to fit all the correct proportions. This doesn't do much regarding polygonal matching, however... which there aren't any? Basically, people are trying to make up their own points, when in reality, there aren't any. Hell, the game doesn't even play the same, and the animations are shockingly well, to the point where if you did use ripped assets, you'd be limited to what they were designed for... which the game kind of surpassed.

[@gabrote42]

Upvote for homemade community notes. This is important info indeed! TBH I don't get why people with agenda bother making fabrications like that. They could just find facts to discredit whatever they hate. If their worldview is justified, such evidence should exist. They gotta be more open-minded

[@grilledleeks6514]

Lil bros pretending like they understand the legality here

[@le-johnny9236]

Stretched to fit vs rescaled.

[@anzuarden24]

I don’t know why people are saying they outright said they lied, when all they did was uniform scaling the models for easier comparison. You guys are the one lying in this case.

[@silverwing5254]

@@anzuarden24 Exactly. I've looked over his response tweets and nowhere does he ever say that he lied or attempted to deceive people. In fact, he explicitly says that he's trying to clear up things to show that he DIDN'T lie.

[@GiorgioMiselli]

All of this controversy shows that the gaming community is completely lobotomized,the meme “stop bullying the multibillion company” is so true.

[@MrEsphoenix]

The sad thing is that for many of them it's more about trying to ruin other people's fun because they're not involved, either because they don't like the game or have some odd made up morality to not play it. It's the same mentality that allows companies to get away with anti consumer practices such as exclusive titles, because they know the petty people get enjoyment out of denying other's fun.

[@D_YellowMadness]

It's especially ridiculous because no one cares that Nintendo constantly rips off A Hat in Time & Sonic or that they repeatedly ripped off Ape Escape 3 while making Mario Odyssey. Nintendo loves punching down.

[@TheSoapThatCan]

Leave Britney alone!!!

[@bloodyidit4506]

@@MrEsphoenix literal children tbh

[@johnmaco]

@MrEsphoenix +1 Many don't want their tastes, preferences or positions to be threatened, questioned or denigrated in any way. It is pretty common in immature people. So yeah, It's all about themselves, not the company, at the end of the day

[@WooShell]

I absolutely love Palworld. I've tried getting into Pokemon again and again with every Ninvento console refresh but just didn't click. Palworld adds everything that Pokemon was missing.. with the FPS-like exploration and combat, crafting and survival.. it works really well for me.

[@leonardofarias8843]

Including monstrous looking monster

[@TheRyukeshi]

A few important things to note: 1. Localization is a factor when considering the game's profit. Where I live the game is priced at around 17$ USD on Steam, so the real profit made from the game is likely very different from the value pointed out in the video. 2. Another noteworthy element is that the person that originally pointed out the model similarities admitted on X/Twitter that they scaled the Palworld models to more closely resemble the Pokemon ones, in an attempt to push a personal agenda. They apologized but maybe other people have been carrying on the momentum of their original post, since sparking ire is favored by the algorithm of engagement in the platform. 3. Also, Palworld's announcement trailer came out in mid 2021, while AI started gaining momentum in late 2022. Public versions of AIs were published in that same year, therefore it's logical to assume that a good chunk of the game's foundation and development was done prior to the release of AI. 4. Similar animations can be used in many different games, just as game sounds. The peasant's original scream in Warcraft 3 is also present in Isildur's last fight from Lord of the Rings. With that same logic, an idle animation of a canine wagging their tail can be used in a myriad other games, and that doesn't mean that it's plagiarism. Certain skeletons and shapes just lend themselves to generic types of animations that fit them. 5. As Yong exposed in the video, there's a clear agenda against Palworld from people that either dislike the gameplay, mechanics or just want Pokemon to be the only mainstream pocket monster game. Nintendo is one of the most litigious companies in the gaming landscape. The game's trailers date back all the way to 2021. Their lawyers would have already gone after them if this was such a clear case as the Twitter armchair experts would want to make you believe.

[@LordPichuPal]

In response to the 3rd point (and support of it), it's worth noting just because they posted a trailer announcing it in 2021 doesn't mean the game began development that year. It likely could've begun work as early as 2020, maybe even farther back than that, we've got no way of knowing unless they directly say. So if the core foundation was already built before AI was a prevalent thing, it wouldn't make sense to assume they used it for a lot of the game's design. I've also heard many of the artists and devs don't like the CEO either, or agree with his ideas of using AI, so it's a safe bet they wouldn't want to include that kind of thing just because he wants it.

[@littlebear274]

lol on point 3 literally the only argument I've been making in response to the AI accusations is "they published footage of these designs in 2021, when AI couldn't tell the difference between a dog and a giraffe." It's just not possible.

[@Martin-yh7vi]

And some people claim that Nintendo is waiting for the game to get millions before suing. But that's assuming they knew ahead of time that Palworld would have been a success.

[@Mario123007]

4. Funny said similar animations when remember people were so mad when Genshin Impact use same sword swinging animation on one of the female characters and many people who know Nier and devil may cry called it plagiarism lol. 5. You should also look on botha sides, you said one has the agenda to crush palworld. But many people, and ytbers ignore the fact that they seems to have this agenda of want Pokémon to all of sudden fail in the dumps. When in reality both games can be successful in their own way.

[@PotassiumLover33]

​@@littlebear274 I agree that ai probably wasn't used, but come on, ai wasn't invented in 2022, its been very powerful for a long time

[@hpharold23]

Palworld didn't invent the wheel, but it puts rubber on it.

[@Izlude84]

The moment you can sue for copying designs save minor tweaks, in Japan, is the day that the entire anime industry collapses.

[@jeramii03]

Didn't the guy who compared the 3d models come out and apologize for misleading people?

[@neckbeardcat6777]

yeah, he said he did it out of spite because he believes the game encourages animal abuse. l

[@Thee_Titanis]

Yup, I heard they scaled things in the models to make them look more similar and such just to get people upsetti

[@SalamanderBSC]

@@Thee_Titanis Changing the scale of a model does not disprove the claim that the models are ripped; It's not only ludicrously easy in 3D programs, it's practically expected that models get rescaled for any number of reasons. A rescale is literally just how big something is - like a 2-inch figurine vs a human sized one.

[@evarchavex4800]

@@SalamanderBSC The fact he edited it at all and tried to pass it off as he didn't is all the evidence you should need. Stop being a gullible sheep.

[@TonyStark-wr7ob]

​@@neckbeardcat6777lol let kids and adults have fun. It's a video game not real world. Those people are delusional af

[@Boss_Fight_Wiki_muki_twitch]

PalWorld really shows the power of 'economies of scale'. That you don't have to price games at $70; you can still make a truckload of money by getting a game into as many consoles/PCs as possible with a consumer friendly price/

[@BenjaMan64]

I hope that in the future more game developers try making less expensive games regarding development costs and sales price. Not every game has to cost hundreds of millions to produce and be sold at $70.

[@williampan29]

don't bother replying him. Guy either copy paste the reply or is a bot​@@BenjaMan64

[@Tehblood]

it never wouldve hit 2m if it was 60. let alone 70. but the greedy shits at the top of the big publishing companies will NEVER understand that. how long did it take EA to say MAYBE people still like single player games, from when android wilson said it, to after star wars fallen order did well.

[@npcimknot958]

This. This is proof supply n demand. Low price = more people can buy. More people buy =$$$. High price = less can buy.. less purchases = $ That’s why I don’t get why people are raising prices.. ur pricing people out.. Disney learnt this the hard way with that stupid starwars hotel. no one can afford 10,000$ for 2 nights, and those that do at a small % and those that like Star Wars even smaller. Lesson - everyone lower your price take a hit in profit, but end up making even more profit because u sold 100 times more

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

This isn’t meant to be a jab at Palworld. It’s impressive what they have done. But there are already so many games out there that show the power of “economies of scale”. It’s just that many gamers are stupid and only want to focus on the big budget triple A games that are anti consumer

[@Loserstakethebait]

The guy who said he doesn't like glorifying animal abuse literally came out and said he edited the models and lied. He said that what he did was wrong and people should admit when they're wrong. Not to mention someone already looked into the copyright on this stuff. Nintendo doesn't actually own the copyright to every creature in Pokemon. They only own a dozen or so of them. So many of the Pokemon are completely free to take as long as you don't steal it 1 to 1. The only ones they actually own the designs for completely are the popular owns like Pikachu, Charizard, etc.

[@gabrote42]

Upvote for community notes, YT version XD

[@asleepydude5941]

Exactly. These ninten tards defending this company literally don’t understand how intellectual property works and just type larp comments

[@le-johnny9236]

Of course he edited it, by rescaling, since model size varies from engine to engine. Doesn't change how a model appears, just makes it smaller or bigger overall.

[@zamsaraguth]

@@le-johnny9236 The dude literally admitted he made it up the fuck up, they were never pokemon models. What you are saying is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the point.

[@EmeralBookwise]

Wasn't there more than one person analyzing the models independently from each other?

[@polarizedcaptain9066]

Pokémon has been out so long it is almost impossible to not have some over lap

[@fernandobanda5734]

It's funny how there have been hundreds of monster collecting franchises, and not only were they not accused of plagiarism, but this one has like dozens of similarities to the exact same IP.

[@konradzukowski213]

One thing I did mention in a different video, Nintendo and Palworld devs are both based in Japan so therefore if Nintendo would want to sue them, they would have to go by the Japanese copyright law that isn't the same like the rest of the world. While most laws such as ripping out and using assets from other games are protected, "ideas" are not. Nintendo can't go after Palworld for having the system where you capture, level up and fight using captured creatures, but they can look into the possibility of theft of assets or models.

[@nightruler666]

Their assets are based on real life animals, which they don't own

[@sanchezzz69420]

one very insightful comment.

[@JWAVer]

Id imagine Nintendo is aggressively looking for every legal loophole to get their piece of the financial pie at Palworld lol

[@dudebruh8534]

Can't have competition in a monopoly. The twitter crusaders are working at full speed to throw accusations and harassment at the palworld devs.

[@mimireich]

Yeah, looking back at their history with legal settlement that as always won in their side.

[@TheGravityShifter]

As someone whose been watching this all unfold and staying up to date... This time it seems to be more about Pokémon tourists whining because they're only doing this based on tons of inquires given to them. It's just a nothing burger at the end. Japan doesn't have fair use protection so there's no way this game could've survived in development, let alone released in Early Access in this state had it been infringing.

[@anotherks7297]

This makes no sense. Looking for legal loopholes when you're suing someone???

[@yatorenegade9524]

For a reason!

[@nandotnt5678]

This statement is more or less saying "fine we're looking into it, happy. Now leave us alone". Bet you if those stans didn't bitch about it for days Nintendo wouldn't do anything.

[@MrDeflador]

Yeah both are japanese and If Nintendo would be able to sue them they would have done so. Just Look at the Pokémon Mod for it. Did Not even took 24 hours.

[@nandotnt5678]

@MrDeflador that idiot put a pay wall behind it

[@Azhrei2000]

Wait a modder made a mod that actually makes them look like Pokemon? And he's getting money for it? Nintendo could EASILY sue him...​@@nandotnt5678

[@cheesebucketman1606]

​@@nandotnt5678excuse me he what LOL.

[@canceritself1854]

I don’t know, man. Nintendo is pretty notorious for suing people.

[@venomtailOG]

Yongyea forgot to mention the other IP's that looked identical to those that Pokemon seemed to copy. Can't have a one sided argument if we don't also check pokemon

[@tjoris9]

I doubt Nintendo has any case against Palworld. You can't copyright an art style, only the specific art work. There is no law against knock offs.

[@Offroader210]

At least Palworld isn't a scam like The Day Before. Also, I hope Pocket Pair adds some binoculars in the game.

[@timhaldane7588]

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Wait, you're serious?

[@bluestreaker9242]

Also there was the LITERAL scam Poke-clone games like Axie Infinity and...there was another one, but I forget what it was called, but either way they were both NFT games, soooo...scam games. XD

[@gerritvalkering1068]

@@timhaldane7588Yeah, we really want those binoculars

[@Fosten12]

​@@timhaldane7588what the fuck

[@asain3586]

Dem people are salty palworld is not a scam and actually more fun than recent pokemon games

[@strobo308]

Well, now they know Palworld exists. Let's see if that's enough motivation to start producing quality pokémon games for a change

[@kydigadig]

@@ItApproaches Nice Copium dude

[@Gamma0_0]

​@@ItApproaches🦗🦗🦗

[@EldritchErik94]

@@ItApproachesAs some who has played both, not even close. Palworld is a much better game, and it only released in Early Access.

[@robertnomok9750]

switch showelvare? Really?@@ItApproaches

[@friendlyotaku9525]

@@robertnomok9750 please don't misuse a word like that.

[@TheTraveler980]

Palworld shows what is wrong with Pokémon these days; lack of change, buggy "full release" titles, uninspired creature designs, and no guns. It represents a demand Nintendo won't provide.

[@NiekNooijens]

Guns is such an dumb American thing. I don't need guns in my game for the sake of guns. That's why I prefer yakuza to GTA. Less guns! Regarding bugs: legends arceus was quite bug free.

[@TheTraveler980]

@@NiekNooijens I suppose it is a dumb American thing, much like katanas being a dumb Japanese thing or bread being a dumb France thing. 💁

[@DPhoenixMMA]

@@NiekNooijens Arceus was trash though, you need 2 hours to complete the tutorial. But ngl the hard af giratina fight gave me a boner for days

[@Connor.trashy]

I just really hope Palworld hasn’t done anything dubious because with all the money and attention they’ve gotten this could genuinely be a really polished game when it comes out. Not even as a Pokémon competitor but just as a game by itself

[@StarContract]

In the very unlikely case The Pokemon Company is scumbag enough to issue copyright claims on certain pals, they should be very careful releasing additional pokemon designs as they will be compared and claimed to the existing pals.

[@queasybeetle]

They can't. Only trademarked Pokémon can be claimed. They can plagiarise

[@blaze595]

What do you mean "In the very unlikely case", or "is scumbag enough"? Nintendo (The Pokemon Company by extension) are notoriously protective of their IP and heavy handed with DMCA takedowns and the like.

[@harrylarry6324]

They can plagiarize by changing its name and design as often seen utilized by bootleggers. Palworld may have similar designs with some of their pals, but as long as they aren’t made with the same asset and do not have any down pat copied resemblances to their counterparts, they can’t really get sued for this.

[@thomasparsons9866]

Yeah, the court system can cut both ways, and since some Pokémon share origins to other IP, like inferape is based on the monkey king, which is the base for half of all powerful characters, it is a line Nintendo would have to tread carefully.

[@dr1flush]

Pokémon weebs looking like the joker guy from gta 6

[@chugalug]

Both are japanese companies so falls under local law and not international law. Palworld has been worked on for 3 years publicaly so if Nintendo was going to do something, it would of already happened.

[@EmeralBookwise]

Well... except if the models really were copied. Nintendo wouldn't have been able to do anything about that until after the game was released and the models could be extracted for comparison.

[@ryproar11]

​@@EmeralBookwisenot true. Japanese law dictates that they can press charges and the law can seize the assets for an investigation at any time. The trailer alone would have been grounds enough under the law.

[@EmeralBookwise]

@@ryproar11: Maybe, but that assumes anyone at Nintendo or GameFreak was bothering to pay attention to an obscure indie game before it blew up in popularity. It's not even like this is the first indie game with monster catching mechanics inspired by Pokémon.

[@TrueChaoSclx]

@@EmeralBookwise I wouldn't call it obscure. I and a bunch of friends who are into survival games have been following this since the trailer dropped. The fact it was essentially advertised as "pokemon with guns" at a glance would have gotten on their radars, considering they find fan games with significantly smaller hype.

[@EmeralBookwise]

@@TrueChaoSclx: True, but those fan games tend to much more explicitly and upfront use assets ripped straight from the games without any attempt to hide what they are or are just rom hacks.

[@UnknownFox]

Honestly I feel with how quickly Nintendo is known for squashing anything that touches their IP, be it a fan game or whatever, I can't imagine this would pass the radar for years and they not stomp it out. Mix that with people who try to claim stolen or ripped assets then turning it around to "I could be wrong".

[@MegaRazorback]

The creators of Palworld already cleared all the legal stuff with Nintendo prior to releasing the first trailer though so this is essentially an issue brought on by die-hard Pokemon fans, they caused enough of a ruckus to make Nintendo say "they'll look into it" even though there's nothing for them to actually look into, they know the game's there but all legal bases have already been covered by both sides.

[@wasweiich9991]

"reminds me" isn ot enough though. In the end it does nto matetr if pieces are taken or not - the question is: is it something new? All cars look almost the same as well. No one goes tehre and says "oh that looks like XYZ". The problem i have with this whole debate is that people are biased. It does not matter what you create with monsters - people will always say it looks like pokemon, just like Cobi mouldking etc looks like lego. What exactly does "pokemon" define? The only thing that matters tehre is that it is not exactly what a pokemon looks like - anything else is not real defining factor.

[@Glitch_Online]

I love the "stop sending us emails" response.

[@TheExecutorr]

12:15 I love that statement from Nintendo. Especially the "We will continue to cherish and nurture..." yeah fuck no. If they had cherished and nurtured Pokemon instead of putting no effort into it for over a decade, people wouldn't be so crazy over Palworld.

[@xVandyLandx]

And they wouldn't be so ready with cease and desist orders

[@JaggerNaught]

If only the dev and design teams were able to show as much cherishing and nurturing as the legal team…….

[@mikethepokemaster2012]

​@@xVandyLandxit was a mod of their IP and dude was making money. So they were in the right

[@MoistRolls]

Seeing games like palworld and Lethal Company become huge hits puts a smile on my face and it just shows that all people want is a fun game not some yearly release with a reskin and sold at 70$.

[@Fxrrxt2x]

Lethal Company ended up being my personal GOTY. It's just good simple fun and it feels great to return to that.

[@MoistRolls]

@@Fxrrxt2x the indie community is carrying the gaming community and showing big studios that having the Budget of a small country and the dev team of an army and still releasing half baked games with aggressive micro transactions aren't cutting it anymore. Releasing fun games made with passion and love is what we want and the indie community is killing it.

[@Fxrrxt2x]

@@MoistRolls Agreed. I essentially don't touch AAA games anymore unless they're massively discounted. This just feels like the perfect time to get into indie games, and even older AAA games that one never got the chance to play before. Like, I've never played DMC or Persona before, so, now I'm checking those out as well. And now they're talking about raising the prices of games when I don't even want to pay $60 now.

[@MoistRolls]

@@Fxrrxt2x I can't speak for persona but I can say for sure that Devil may Cry is worth it. I've only played the 1st and 3rd game fully. I heard the 4th and 5th games are stellar. Have you played silent hill 2 yet? It's a random question but last year I've been playing a lot of single player games and that one was amazing.

[@Fxrrxt2x]

@@MoistRolls Nah, I haven't played that one yet, but I have played the first game, homecoming, downpour, and I enjoyed them all. Downpour was definitely the weakest one, but I liked it.

[@brendans2929]

I used to watch your older vids, but can I say, you had a massive glow up! Keep up the good work man!

[@Dante999000]

People and companies that wants to stop this game from being successful doesn't know how to have fun anymore but that's just me.

[@luxxers]

I highly do What a child-like way to look at this situation

[@legoincplx4x5]

Well you're kinda right.

[@Dante999000]

​@@luxxersI guess I'm still a kid even though I'm 39 years old.

[@MaXiMoS54]

Companies arent here for fun theyre here for the most profit possible

[@gameuniverse5973]

Eh it okay the designs of the pals are bland to me and the music is nowhere near pokemon level not even digimon level even yo Kai watch has better music

[@snoweefrost4412]

Please keep in mind that law we're discussing would not be US copyright law, this would take place in the Japanese court system which has a *far* different interpretation of legal standards when it comes to intellectual property. Americans may have a high volume of lawsuits but the Japanese system is extremely ponderous.

[@gerritvalkering1068]

And then they could move their official HQ to the US, keep living and working but stop selling in Japan, because a Japanese court has no jurisdiction in the US or anywhere else but in Japan.

[@SelecaoOfMidas]

Three words: international copyright law 😅

[@fearlesswindows]

​​​@@SelecaoOfMidasthree words: domestic copyright laws Both companies are based in japan and recently a Japanese youtuber was sent to jail (3 years) for copyright because he decided to stream a game called stein's gate.

[@gerritvalkering1068]

@@SelecaoOfMidas oh yeah, not a chance on international copyright law. The question is if they're going to sue in Japan

[@snoweefrost4412]

@@SelecaoOfMidas you should really think before you comment.

[@ioioioio5997]

haven't seen a video of yours in years and omg you've gotten fit af. nice work lol u look great

[@TheQuackinator]

The funniest thing that could happen from this whole thing, in terms of the internets' reaction, would be an official collab between Pokémon and PalWorld. Not likely but I want it to happen *just* to see people's reactions... and it would also be cool

[@thuder2]

There is barely even a case... I mean it's already hard to prove copyright infringement and plagiarism with the fact that the core loop is not even close to pokemon I can't see anything sticking

[@quantum5661]

eh, you cant copyright an art style, and while the ball thing might be solid i dont think its enough on its own

[@KittyKatty999]

​@@ItApproachesSo you're saying if it was a triangle instead, then it would be legally ok? Or an Octagon XD

[@leaderteammimikyu3024]

I think there is a few pal design that look too similar to pokemon like Creemis. Creemis too similar to evee or gigantamax evee. but most of the pal design are original.

[@robovinefilms1811]

Yes, being derivative or even a blatant ripoff isn't a crime.@@KittyKatty999

[@Rasip]

​@ItApproaches so is every other monster catching game.

[@aarontrupiano9328]

the stuff mentioned in the title starts at 9:18 and 11:52

[@AConquerorsVendetta]

Ty, didn't realize this was a 22 minute video

[@Static-EN-]

a true hero

[@fessy4]

ive watched yong for a long time, well partially i stopped watching his content for this exact reason. A controversy happens, he makes several videos on the topic, but each video takes his previous video, or multiple previous videos, says the exact same shit for 20 mins only to provide 2 mins of actual new information, until the next update in the controversy, and i swear it got so blatant that i was watching 4 videos a week, all 30 mins long only to realise i could watch a short and have the same knowledge in 2 mins. he's journalism skills are really quite sub par...

[@Efendi_]

I'm not a lawyer, but I remember hearing a developer who added an armor design that was similar to Warhammer 40k, and they said you could take some elements from other art from. Provided it's not a one-to-one copy, and you use too many of it since Palworld only used and a handful of Pokémon, I don't see and issue with it. Pokémon also have similarity with Dragon Quest monsters, and they didn't get sued.

[@Askanon]

The thing that bothers me about all this is you don't see people targeting games like Temtem or Cassette Beasts with similar accusations. The ONLY reason Palworld is being targeted is because of it's roaring success and because it represents something that the Pokemon community have been BEGGING for, for god knows how long. That's it honestly. If the game came out and it really was "just a meme" and only did like a fraction of it's current sales no one would bat an eye at it. The fact that it's doing well, almost too well depending on who you ask, is "a threat" to something else they love so they "have to do something about it!"

[@Blodhelm]

A couple of things, firstly these are Japanese companies so talking to American lawyers about it is absurd as any dispute between them would be settled in Japan. Second, the people showing the models together in order to say the assets are ripped are themselves proving the opposite. I've worked in 3D for almost 20 years. You can see all the parts that don't line up and they're enough that the only thing that is the same is the general shape. Those absolutely could be a similar design with one based on the other but they aren't the same asset. This is like an assignment in a class where they are modeling similar concept art without a direct in-program dimension aid. Optimization tools that reduce or redo polygons also always come with distortions while trying to maintain the overall bounds. To get distortions so strong they change the shape would require reducing poly count so much it would be blatantly obvious and the final result would look terrible. I think it's clear the artists were looking at artwork of the original and making something similar but making something similar yet distinctly different is no crime. There are Pokemon clones out there that duplicate the style and gameplay, yet remain because they are different enough. Those Dragon Quest critters look far closer to Pokemon and Nintendo claims they are distinct while both game franchises are predominantly RPG's. If Nintendo thought it could sue for this, they would have already.

[@francisharkins]

Well Dragon Quest came out before Pokemon sooooo it makes sense they look similar. Lol

[@Blodhelm]

@@francisharkins Exactly. A work that was already derived from the style of another, but adapted and made unique. This is why Nintendo would be hard-pressed to prove copyright infringement by our standards. Considering Anime exists in Japan, as its source, I doubt they'd win there either.

[@X1erra]

I can give you a case example where they made an almost carbon copy of Pokemon's gameplay, the inverse of Palworld, if this can help. Check out "Touhou Puppet Dance Performance". That game is literally Pokemon by its gameplay, but using puppets of Touhou characters rather than Pokemon with their own story. This game has garnered success as one of the definitive Touhou fangames out there without any infringements. :)

[@tugger]

yes and no. International copyright law is *international*. It's like the venn diagram of palworld players and people who don't know how the world works is a circle

[@FabschOblivion669]

I think the one crime the Palworld team committed is *at worst* being creatively bankrupt with some of the designs and that's it. Anything other than that is just reaching.

[@gianttacogod]

I remember seeing this game being written off by everyone when it was first revealed as “oh this seems funny” and now its beaten massive records and did a middle finger to pokemon

[@AeriFyrein]

One thing I've been curious of in regards to the similar models, is whether both Palworld and the Pokemon game *STARTED* with the same base model. For example, on the wolf-like model used as comparison in the posting, did they both start with Generic_Wolf_Model_01 available on the Unreal Engine store? That would explain a significant number of the similarities between models, if so.

[@truekinggreed8051]

Appreciate the update!

[@czekskii]

Pokemon has been stuck in the past for 20+ years. They should be thankful for the insight into what gamers actually want that Palworld is providing.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

It became a too powerful franchise that it doesnt need to try doing anything much better. It takes too much advantage of that fame and the fact that rpg sequels tend to be have a repetitive and formulaic format. But its not that much repetitive though. And in the field of the more normal rpgs, even powerful brands like Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy and Persona usually work hard to make progress and further steps in their sequels. But only Pokemon lost sense of this responsibility to make a notable "evolution" (the biggest irony in this case) that is suitable to the evolution of technology.

[@jasondavis2995]

Exactly.

[@eggsalts4243]

Nintendo quit gambling, now they suffer the consequences

[@urahi830]

I mean that's true but this is still gameplay that's 10+ years old

[@gondorianslayer4250]

​@@eggsalts4243chill

[@kylec6982]

this game has been shown to the public during its development. it was public during its showcases and other forms of media as it was being developed. nintendo had all the time in the world to crack down on this project, but even after being put into early access and nintendo still hasnt done anything. they dont have a case because if they did they would've done something by now instead of waiting for it to release. it makes no sense to wait this long being that game freak and nintendo have stopped fan projects so much faster that this.

[@supersonic20091]

Just look at how quickly they stamped out that mod that turned Pals into Pokemon. The fact they would go after a mod for Palworld that infringes on their copyright that quickly and never go after the game itself in the 2 years since it got announced is quite telling.

[@robertnomok9750]

Nintendo destroyed kickstarter projects before they even finished campaign. If they could they already would@@supersonic20091

[@jarrettodom3943]

@@supersonic20091 that mod getting taken down is mostly do to the fact, that the guy who made the mod stupidly put it behind a paywall. But even still you ain't wrong, there is no way in hell they didn't know about it.

[@ZeroXSEED]

@@jarrettodom3943 Nintendo also stamp free mods for other games that involve pokemon name

[@jarrettodom3943]

@@ZeroXSEED just like they did for smash bros and Zelda.

[@drwilyecoyote5357]

aka nintendo intend to investigate palworld having actual innovation and the base inspiration for palworld being the same as pokemon-real world animals and mythological creatures

[@Narrator1]

What people don't seem to get is that Pokemon is a multimedia behemoth. The anime and merchandising are where they receive the bulk of their money, while the games are a vanishingly small piece of the pie. To that end, Nintendo and TPC are only worried about protecting their IP -- they couldn't care less about Palworld's "gameplay" or "quality" -- and have thus only directly moved against what stepped on its IP's toes directly (in this case, an unofficial mod that replaced Pals with Pokemon). The idea that Nintendo and TPC are shaking in their boots because this new phenomenon is going to run circles around their games and "kill" the Pokemon brand is absurd, wishful thinking.

[@mikethepokemaster2012]

Nah the anime ratings in the toliet

[@Bacon8t0r]

The main comparison that annoyed me with people I know talking about it is comparing the sheep types to Wooloo. Wooloo is just a sheep, there's nothing too speical about it normally. So yes the sheep are gonna look like sheep

[@pyaehtetaung]

I should copyright ©️ Cat. I will be a billionairemn😂

[@tenk2001]

lamball is even more unique then wooloo. at least it's bidpedal.

[@TheSilverwing999]

So much this. Wooloo is just a fucking sheep!! Like wtf are those people on about. Literally real life sheep would fail copyright if you can use that design for anything

[@gameuniverse5973]

@@TheSilverwing999 you can make a sheep look different unless your going to say wooly from Amanda adventure is a copy of wooloo which no

[@HaHaHaHolowence]

@@gameuniverse5973 *unless you're...

[@TheSpazzDragon]

Lucario is based off a jackal. More specifically a bipedal Jackal. Ya know... like the famous anthropomorphic jackal in the Egyptian pantheon of gods, Anubis? Lucario is inspired by Anubis, so having a Pal that is literally Anubis themed, and called Anubis, that DOESN'T end up looking like Lucario in some way is kind of hard to do because Lucario is based on Anubis in the first place! Even the whole "able to read people's aura thing" Is just like Anubis able to judge people's hearts and weigh their soul.

[@JeffHikari]

The funny thing is that Anubis in the mythology is actually based off a Golden Wolf, and Palworld's version is more wolf-looking than the Jackal that Lucario is. (You can thank Lockstin for that one)

[@gerritvalkering1068]

Very much this. I don't think people quite realize how much of pokemon design isn't actually that original.

[@jombii-7090]

Speak louder for those in the back!!! Pokemon fanboys are too thickheaded to realize how many Pokemon designs are based off of both real world animals and folklore

[@gameuniverse5973]

@@jombii-7090 you can make Anubis looks vastly different you people with brain dead takes the kyubi is a overused trope but are you going to say Kurama from the one in yo Kai watch are pretty similar or nine tails from pokemon Also smite anubis does not resemble lucario at all if they wanted to lean into it they would have given the pal a cane with bandages wrap around it instead of copying the unite outfit that Lucario got

[@gameuniverse5973]

@@gerritvalkering1068 you people don't understand at all monster tamers use the same animals and tales but they make it their own with their designs which this game does not kyubi from yo Kai watch to nine tails from pokemon lean into different aspects of the kyubi tale

[@SuZull]

I like how Pokemon Company didn't tell the game name

[@1Kapuchu100]

I feel like there is a very good case for Palworld having taken a LOT of inspiration from Pokémon, however I'm somewhat in doubt as to whether it constitutes plagiarism or not. There are a few cases where I can see the argument that one Pal is a bit too similar to a Pokémon, but there are others where I am not convinced, chiefly the ones where they are picking apart one Pal's design features, and then finding any and every pokémon that shares that, and then saying "Plagiarism!" Pokémon has such a ridiculous number of unique characters - over 1000 at this point - that it's nearly impossible to make a "Monster Animal" and not have some parts be similar to Pokémon. As it is, I'm banking on innocent until proven guilty. The examples provided by lay people so far, are a mix of somewhat convincing (such as the ones about the actual 3d models), and ones that feel like baseless accusations made by antagonists to the game.

[@jr6366]

Yea, there's only a handful that are similar. At most nintendo would likely just shell out a bunch of money to have pocket change a few pals lol. Unless Nintendo can find something really substantial and could take them for damages it's not at all in their interest to pursue legal actions.

[@human3504]

Copyright law is different in Japan (since both companies are based there)than other countries like the US. I'm glad they are doing so well. I have been enjoying the game.

[@TheFallingFlamingo]

Yeah, I keep directing everyone reposting the palworld/Pokémon comparisons to digimon/Pokémon comparisons. People are just so used to Pokémon being the king, they've completely forgotten the monster collecting crazes history. Everyone was copying everyone. Nintendo won't take this to court because they're guilty of the exact same shit.

[@kevynduran2659]

I don’t know…if you look at certain models the resemblance is so blatant anyone with a pair of eyes and half a brain can tell. Even if Nintendo is guilty of the same thing this just sets a bad example that’s it ok to profit off the hard work and ideas of others (not that this hasn’t happened a hundred times already).

[@Gashako]

If Coromon and Nexomon can exist, Palworld’s going to be fine.

[@czaczaczar]

Nexomon 3 will be 3d so they'll be fine.

[@AsecasJavi]

If you think they are the same there's no point in explaining any of you anything.

[@Gashako]

@@AsecasJavi the point is that they’re all monster taming games where you catch them in nondescript ‘balls’ and train them up by battling others. So what I’m saying is that literally all they have in common is that they are monster tamers. There are so many monster tamer games out there that Nintendo/game freak haven’t touched that going after Palworld would just be dumb.

[@AsecasJavi]

@@Gashako the point is that you can make that game but you can't copy the actual characters

[@Gashako]

@@AsecasJavi as far as I can tell, they didn’t though? There’s some that look similar but they’re legally distinct enough that I really don’t see the problem. And judging by Nintendos response, they only decided to ‘look into it’ because so many people were crying about it to them. Someone made a pokemon mod for palworld and nintendo immediately shut it down. If there’s action to take, they would have taken it.

[@alexluis6009]

I think this was a very good video. Very well said and I think fairly presents both or multiple sides of the story and companies. So many other videos out there that take one side or the other and with misinformation or stale information. Whether or not palworld is "ripping off" Pokemon or not, it's crazy (imo) how many are jumping to "defend" Pokemon. They are a multi billion dollar that can and have taken action on their own and don't need all the noise or potential misinformation / disinformation from third parties.

[@robertohar3932]

Palworld should be allowed to be how it is. We need competition like this to prevent lazy corporate giants in creative fields

[@LillipanFran]

Something people really need to consider is that this is a Japan focused situation. The laws in Japan are very different, and their copyright laws are very strict. I assume this relates to this situation as well, but Japan's court system has a 99% conviction rate, so I'm assuming Nintendo wants to be incredibly sure before they choose to take legal action. It would also be nice to hear from Japanese lawyers instead of lawyers based in the USA.

[@schrodingerscat3741]

Yeah that would be nice.

[@jarmakey1]

This isn't a criminal case, the conviction rate of Japan doesn't matter. If Nintendo had a case, they would've done something already

[@ZeroXSEED]

Japan literally has no fair use law. Palworld gotta fight that one before they even publish this game

[@alalalala57]

​@@ZeroXSEEDNo wonder Japan is a dying country.

[@johndeere2525]

Copyright infringement isn't a conviction rate as it is not a criminal trial, this would be a civil case. There will highly unlikely be legal action because of the largest contributing factor which is, this game has been announced and in development in Japan, for 3 years. At any point in time, Nintendo could have requested access to source code and/or models if their (extremely overzealous) legal team thought there was infringement on any of the intellectual properties. If they tried to move against them, 3 years later, only after the developers have made money, it would look like a money-grab (which it would be) and the devs from Palworld would simply have to argue that Nintendo had 3 years to file claims against them and failed to do so. The only thing Nintendo has to be sour with is themselves for not making/licensing something gamers have been wanting for decades.

[@sylvertonguephoenix]

I feel that on legal grounds, Palworld is in the clear, since while there are designs that are clearly inspired from Pokemon, they didn't strait take exact models, change the colours, and call it new. Also, there are... A very limited number of ways to design a Canine, or a snake, or a squirrel, or mouse. Also, there is the prospect of how everything today is derivative of things that already exist. It's nearly impossible to design something that hasn't already been made without using inspiration from already existing things.

[@gameuniverse5973]

Brain dead take the kyubi is a overused concept yet many franchises has set it apart from another unless your gonna say Kurama from Naruto is similar as the kyubi in yo Kai watch

[@friendlyotaku9525]

however it's the small details, they clearly copied certain Pokemon designs.

[@sylvertonguephoenix]

@@gameuniverse5973 the point I'm making here is that Palworld didn't take existing Pokemon and just recolour them. Derivative work can be suspect, but that doesn't mean that it's plagerism. Like the video says, the Pokemon mod is far more clear cut, but that's what it is, a mod. It's not the base game. And what if they did use existing models? I don't have an inside on Palworld's development. The designs may look similar, but It's more a case that Pokemon has been around so long that those who have known the franchise for a while will inevitably see similarities.

[@timhaldane7588]

Your final point is one that many are pushing, but is extraordinarily weak from both an artistic and legal perspective. A fair number of the creature designs are almost indistinguishable from Nintendo's IP save for a palette swap. Palworld *could* have played it safe by establishing their own consistent design philosophy (see Digimon v Pokemon, Gigapets and Neopets v Tamagochi, and a million beholder-style creatures v TSR/WotC), but even a cursory glance at their creature designs make it obvious that the only consistency in their design was to mimic the look and feel of Pokemon as closely as possible. That said, I don't believe Nintendo will be able to do more than force the Palworld devs to adjust a handful of their creature designs. This sets a deeply unfortunate precedent as we hurtle toward a world of AI-based clones. This is exactly HOW you end up with a glut of shovelware. Sadly few seem to understand that. Nobody remembers the video game crash of the early 80's.

[@friendlyotaku9525]

@@sylvertonguephoenix they definitely copied however

[@RemoraSeifuu]

You missed the part where Byo actually confessed that he did a lot more alterations and it's falsified.

[@fernandobanda5734]

He didn't confess anything. He uniformly scaled the models which means nothing. He also clarified explicitly that uniform scaling was not tampering evidence (but nobody retweeted that one, funny). A lot of tweets the next day by industry professionals explained and mocked the situation because people didn't understand something as simple as scaling. It's really baffling how a *lie* about Byo tampering evidence gets spread while everyone else making the same comparisons is ignored.

[@RemoraSeifuu]

The more interesting part about this though is honestly if Nintendo was going to take them to court, I feel like it would have been back when the initial trailer dropped. You can't tell me they only now "Saw this game that is nicknamed "Pokemon with Guns" from it's initial iteration 2-3 years ago"@@fernandobanda5734

[@epope98]

@@fernandobanda5734 scaling would be a big thing, if you had 2 balls one small on big then scalled the small one to the big one and said look its the same. its not

[@fernandobanda5734]

@@epope98 Game engines already do this. Models are not the same scale as they were modeled when put into the scene or modified through code. Unlike pixels, there's no loss when scaling up or down. Scaling means literally absolutely objectively nothing. I'd suggest you open a 3D software or game engine once in your life before being so wrong on something this basic.

[@epope98]

@@fernandobanda5734 your assuming it was a skeleton frame ripped from a pokemon game. Not something the made by hand. So what it sorta looks like few pokemon. Most are comparing about what 2 or 3 models then nitpicking there are parts of others that look life a tail, flower ect on others. Nintendo got no ground because they would have done something years ago and not waiting till now

[@LukasJampen]

For me that letter sounded like a way for them to get people to let them be. The dwv is japanese and trailer have been around for years. They already knew for years and have done nothing so far. They already shut down the pokemon mod so they would also have shut down the main game if they had any ground to stand on.

[@MrEffectfilms]

I hope they end up not having a case at all. Palworld needs to continue to exist, it's the only way you'll start getting good Pokemon games again. Nintendo has had too much of a monopoly on this type of game that they don't really need to try because what else are you gonna play? But if Palworld exists giving them genuine competition then the days of crusing on people's nostalgia will be over. They'll have no choice but to truly make good Pokemon games again.

[@trojanhorsechannel]

The games are the smallest source of Pokemon revenue, if it cut into Pokemon merchandise sales, then Nintendo would care. But this game won't cause any change, like how TemTem didn't. TBF, Palworld to me looks like garbage to me so might just be biased.

[@rheeswatson9287]

try playing it bro. you might be surprised@@trojanhorsechannel

[@Honed-]

there not even the same type of game, but having pals do base building and shooting guns and s**t, its really fun, more fun then a pokemon game.

[@meeb_consumer]

There'll still be a massive market for pokemon even if palworld succeeds. It's gonna take multiple games to bring down the pokemon company. The monster taming genre needs to come back to existing.

[@user-sq6hn8yk6p]

​​​@@trojanhorsechannel I think even then Nintendo wouldn't care, they'd try to get Palworld under their wing. Yo-Kai Watch ended up doing great in stuff outside the games yet Nintendo didn't really fight back, instead they published and marketed the games and tried to cash in on the success.

[@Matt15199]

Nintendo never said they are sueing Palworld, they never mentioned Palworld in they're post, they are going after the pokemon mod.

[@johnsmith-ut8dq]

Nintendo aren’t the developers behind Pokémon games, it’s gamefreak.

[@cordovalark5295]

@@johnsmith-ut8dq Nintendo owns 1/3 of Pokémon though. So at the end of day it's on them, GF, and Creatures.

[@noxfelis5333]

I don't think Nintendo will go too hard on Palworld, meaby settle an out of court agreement where some pals would need change, as the negative press due to the popularity of Palworld is just something that could damage their relations with many potential or existing costumers.

[@evarchavex4800]

You people all utterly fail to understand literally any of this. Nintendo can't do shit. End of story. There will be no news, no surprise lawsuits, because they can't sue, and they can't do shit to settle.

[@rydralle2460]

Nintendo are known to go hard on any offense on their IP, seeing them not able to immediately send a cease and desist just tells us that they have nothing or very little if any.

[@xcellentcreations3312]

I mean...it's not a fan game..so I don't think Nintendo has much of a chance to sue the living pants of of Palworld

[@Yarharsuperpirate]

I think nintendo looking into this, is basically just them saying they will do something IF and WHEN something that does give them a case comes up. And probably a warning to modders to not repeat what happened with that one guy If nintendo had a case, the game would have been shut down years ago

[@nefariouspersephone9447]

LOL its someone that literally made their own version of pokemon...nintendo cant seriously think they can win this.

[@strongwolf8534]

Here's something that I haven't seen many people considering: Modern Pokemon designs are often so generic in the way they are styled that they are little more than the basic shape or whatever they are trying to be, with almost no texturing, and minimalistic details that their claim to similar appearing characters becomes quite weak. Even if a Pal takes inspiration form multiple Pokemon at the same time, because that pal is neither distinctly either or there is no there for Nintendo to sue over because the legal question at the end of the day will be "which *ONE* was plagiarized". Since Nintendo can't own a copyright on basic shapes, unless there is a clear-cut example of theft they don't have much of a case.

[@zigmus00A]

Pokemon fans living up their reputation as fucking psychos by ruining everyone's fun.

[@molotovblitz]

Japanese trademark and copyright law make it incredibly hard to infringe on Pokemon, especially since the company who helped make the law was Nintendo. The game was previewed years ago It was allowed to be published both by Steam and Microsoft (which have a legal presence in Japan). Both companies have policies regarding copyright/trademark used without permission. Claiming Nintendo wouldn't pursue potential copyright/trademark infringement because of "XYZ" is an interesting opinion, Nintendo is infamous for perusing every case they view as an infringement even if it has no legal merit.

[@Revenant-oq9ts]

Nintendo slapped a guy a 30% income levy for life because they were a PR guy for a crack group. If they really wanted to go after Palworld, I doubt they'd hesitate.

[@AceyMcSpade]

Temtem is sold on Nintendo switch. It obviously isn't as popular as palworld but it rides the same line and I haven't heard any plans for a lawsuit.

[@TheColdBone]

Yong Yea has not popped up on my feed in a Yong Time!

[@ghosthunter117gaming2]

yongyea didnt address that the model being the same is actually false and being a misinformation

[@Shoibyrd]

He did, saying the guy admitted that he created his evidence

[@fernandobanda5734]

@@Shoibyrd He didn't create any evidence. Uniform scaling means absolutely nothing to anyone. Please learn the first thing about 3D modeling or game engines.

[@happytimes8623]

im convinced nintendo genuinely hates when people have fun

[@unknownposter2075]

My issue is not necessarily with Palworlds itself. From an artist perspective, a lot of people are using Palworlds as an example/justification to take people’s art without permission, edit or feed it to AI, and say it’s their own creation while stating they technically didn’t do anything wrong. As crazy as that sounds, it is becoming a weapon that people use to justify theft. I am glad a lot of people are happy for Palworld’s success, but I do personally worry about some of the byproducts/issues that can come out of this such as the art situation I mentioned earlier

[@dudebruh8534]

Can't have competition in a genre you dominate. The more money you have the more twitter freaks that will defend you in hopes of getting some by throwing accusations with zero evidence.

[@kyotanaka920]

This is less Nintendo ruining fun and more "we fucking heard you for the xth time. Fine, we'll fucking investigate this game."

[@Loserstakethebait]

​@@unknownposter2075 Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. Palworld never used ai. That was entirely made up by one guy on Twitter. Moreover, the accusations about using the same models was also completely made up. The guy came out and apologized and admitted that he altered to models to make them look more similar than they were. So if palworld did none of the things you just said, how the hell can it be used to justify doing those things?

[@irecordwithaphone1856]

​@@unknownposter2075I agree and it's similar to how I feel as an artist too

[@Mrawfulgamer]

almost 3 years ago with the first palworld trailer and literally no legal actions to stop it i seriously doubt anything is going to happen to palworld now and considering both nintendo and palworld are made by japanese companies so it might also be a lot different in terms of being able to take some action also its funny how temtem has never been mentioned by these people

[@Starkill3r306]

OMG that sheep Pal looks exactly like Nintendo’s sheep Pokémon, I’m shaking and crying rn

[@RamArt9091]

Palworld is to Pokemon is to what Space Ball is to Star Wars.

[@tarruvi]

The funniest thing is watching other people ask: “lol is this even legal?!?! How’d Company A not take lEgAl AcTiOn yet?!?!” Yes, yes it is legal. Thank Shouzou Kaga for that. There’s an awful lot of people who don’t know a thing about gaming laws, looking at what Kaga has done for the industry. The guy’s a legend.

[@toadkillerdog6009]

With how much the world is suffering right now, like everyone seems to be pushing that broken down car across the finish line at the end of 2023. Who cares if there is another game like Pokemon, if people are having fun, finding an escape from the harsh times they are dealing with playing Palworld, then let them be. I think it's awesome a small time studio is having such success on a fun game. Sad to see people try and kill positive things out of jealousy which looks like a reflection what's wrong with the world to begin with.

[@Thunder93ita]

Maybe this will give Nintendo an incentive to actually make decent pokemon games. The first new thing they tried in mainline games was Legends Arceus after 30 years and that game was mid at best. Maybe if Palworld and other games start eating away at their playerbase they'll wake up and start putting some effort into their franchise.

[@Oldpangolin]

This makes no sense.

[@draconicfeline6177]

PLA and SV were great but also, yes, half baked and rushed.

[@gondorianslayer4250]

Guns will not be in Pokemon

[@spacepiratekobold5112]

@@gondorianslayer4250 guns used to be in the original pokemon anime... then they remastered them and removed them....

[@raccoonofmotivation20]

Nintendo: "Yea we can't do shit but we need to release a statement, also guys please play pokemon we promise it's still good"

[@mathewhaight]

The message is signed from the Pokemon company. Nintendo has made no statement on the matter.

[@johnsmith-ut8dq]

Nintendo aren’t the developers behind Pokémon games, it’s gamefreak.

[@fafnir9690]

You dropped the ball here in this video. The wire frame accusation was made up and they edited them

[@colebeejack3898]

All fanbases have people that will go that far to shit on outside sources that 'threaten' their fandom. But with that one being fake I wonder how many of the modeling examples are faked.

[@fafnir9690]

@colebeejack3898 Alot of the examples are a hard reach. You can find good comparisons for almost every pal-pokemon example with 3 to 4 different series out there. Like lucario and anubis is such a reach on this. Palworlds anubis clone is literally just a more cartoon version of hundreds of depictions of anubis. Pokemon has no copyright claim to an Egyptian GOD. It's frustrating seeing the fan base of a series I enjoy the hell put of get so dumb over palworld when the reality is if they stopped attempting this pointless crusade of theirs? They'd prolly enjoy the fuck out of palworld

[@ecano77]

And their excuse was because the game supports animal cruelty so they had to. Moving goalposts.

[@Navitaro]

Hey Yong, when are you gonna talk about Like a dragon infinite wealth paywalling new game + and stuff ?

[@jaywerner8415]

Im fairly certain at this point Palworld will never get sued by Nintendo. While they will certainly TRY no doubt, their is not a single pal in the game that is a exact match to a existing Pokemon. Their are quite a few that come CLOSE, but still not an exact match. As a note, you CAN NOT copyright/trademark a Genra or Highly Specific aspects. And even if you could, Palworld is nothing like Pokemon beyond you can capture animals in balls.

[@lHAZ4RD]

The guy who made that tweet for the luxray comparison already went on record saying he lied and faked it

[@Mokikimoki]

That did not happen.

[@lHAZ4RD]

@@Mokikimoki a few other people already covered it with screenshots. Asmon being one of them if you wanna look it up instead of arguing with random people on the Internet lmao

[@Mokikimoki]

@@lHAZ4RDYeah they covered it sourcing the same made up nonesense that every other person is sourcing where they put words into somebodies mouth and have factually no idea about how 3d software works.

[@Mokikimoki]

​@@lHAZ4RD ​ The screenshots that people have been using (Asmon included) is the guy in question writing why he started looking into it. As weird as the initial reason is for him taking a closer look it doesn't invalidate the things he was finding. Additionally some of the screenshots that people were using are of a guy who made a bunch of annotated arguments that make zero sense and show that the person has never used a 3D software. He also deleted that tweet now after lots of professional 3d artists pointed out all the flaws with his "disproven" claim.

[@lHAZ4RD]

@@Mokikimoki it's not the same screenshot that was used in this video. You should actually look at it lol

[@TD71859]

I feel like nintendo is fine foing after fan games, because the audiences are small. Palworld has now sold more copies than many AAA titles in the same time frame. Pissing off that many players is a much bigger problem than pissing off the few thousand playing a fan game.

[@Dr.Robotnik]

If you honestly believe Nintendo has a case with the game having been public knowledge for over 3 years, I have a bridge to sell you.

[@BlueEternities]

I decided that it was worth giving a try yesterday considering the dev's comments and community sentiment. Aaannndd I'm hooked. It might get old fairly quickly but after 12 hours in 2 days, I'm certain I'll get my money's worth.

[@doxide]

If a company continuously fucks up their own IPs and tries to nickel and dime their fanbase, I think it should be fair game for other developers to try and copy their shit and do it better.

[@Soplox]

But everyone is using USA laws to predict what would happen. You all forget that both companies are Japanese. Therefore Nintendo will be using the Japanese law. Japan literally has laws for Nintendo. Not just a law that Nintendo fit under but actual laws to protect Nintendo and Pokémon, written for them specifically. In Japan you can get JAIL time for KZbin copyright, yes jail time, it happened to some guy doing a lets play of some anime game last year. Remember that tour company IN JAPAN that was using Mario Kart without Nintendo's permission? Nintendo sued them to oblivion, they then tried to appeal and even started operations again but without anything Mario Kart and got an even greater lawsuit from Nintendo.

[@TheSilverwing999]

All of this is true but also proof that they could have taken down pal world years ago instantly if there actually was a case to be made for copyright infringement. So there is no case

[@axxjazz.]

I've also heard the claim that the pokemon they did copy are not copyrighted, nintendo has copyrighted alot of their more popular models like pikachu, charizard and bulbasaur but they do not have copyright on most of their pokemon like cyndaquil, totadile and chikorita are not copyrighted

[@cobasaja7354]

A, yes.... The cat picture i drew back at my day is look like of Meowth from pokemon, thus i must be plagiarizing Pokemon.....

[@mathewhaight]

Not sure why people keep saying nintendo, when the very statement that's being cited in the video and these comments is from the Pokemon company.

[@stupendously_silly]

Probably better for youtube algorithm, by putting nintendo on the title now even the mario and zelda fans gets the video on their home feed. 😐

[@Feliciathedoll]

​@@stupendously_silly Guess that makes a lot of sense then.

[@TrueChaoSclx]

To a lot of people, particularly those who don't actually play Pokemon games, "Nintendo" and "The Pokemon Company" are one and the same tbh

[@TheSilverwing999]

Pokemon company wouldn't put out a statement like this without having contact to Nintendo so it's not that wrong tbh

[@IAmDaDumb1]

I don’t think a lot of people know that there’s a difference

[@alexschiemann2856]

Nintendo is just salty that their Pokemon games are trash

[@francisharkins]

Nintendo could care less because they know it'll still sells on their platform. Plus its Pokemon Company that is the reason the games are shit lately because they push for games to be rushed to match up with trading card releases. Pokemon Company are the ones who tell Gamefreak the devs to make the games, how, why, and when. The salty one are the Poke fanatics, and the greedy/arrogant AAA devs in the west.

[@VaDeR173]

The fact that the mod got taken down so quick and that it’s on game pass makes me think they are not in any legal trouble.