Pokemon TCG History - Episode 5 - Fanning the Flames: Rotating Into a New Evolution

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@rubyretro sorry if this has been asked already, but where did you get your info about the "maple bar confrontational" card? I haven't been able to dig up even a single reference to it anywhere.

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@@emanresu187 web.archive.org/web/20070509171817/www.sugarshock.net:80/zeo/

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The series actually gave me an idea for my homies for an rpg they're loving. I linked these videos and said it inspired something akin to toy story plus inside out. "Imagine if Andy collected Warhammer" it's kitbashed pokemon with the card game types and some staus conditions and you just vomit d20 rolls against them. But what makes the game interesting for them, is that being the cards/figures themselves, their world is shaped by "the meta" and I played tenacious d the metal whenever I mentioned the meta lol Like imagine you were a pokemon card and you hear rumors devs are thinking of making fairy a type. You're a cleffa and you're wondering how you changing from a fairy from a normal is gonna hurt or help you, you might even disagree with other cleffa about if this is a good or bad thing. Same goes for attack types which are just a variety of names status conditions. "We already have seven, why do we need eight?!" Because for most, it's just a generic slap errata of new type/condition, generic saving throw table of 11+ on a d20... But when types are merging or defecting that's not so easy to do and it can give you an existential crisis. Like you'd think just rolling dice vs a number criteria wouldn't be so detailed and full of heated arguments, but turns out people wanna win and you'll never be Goku of rock paper scissors when there's like 20 different versions of rock paper scissors, nor can you account for bad rolls.

[@holon_phantom]

Thanks for having me on the video! I've been waiting for this for so long!

[@rubyretro]

Sorry for the delay!

[@keatonkuuuun]

I also appreciate seeing more creators featured. I love the PTCG but it certainly doesn't get nearly as much love as others on here and with the sad state WOTC has made MTG into these days, Pokemon content is such a breath of fresh air.

[@tanzolo4487]

@@keatonkuuuunHolon Phantom has some of the best retro pokemon content on the tube. Def check him out ! Different meta/brew retro decks pitted against each other while he provides the play by play commentary in high production videos. Awesome having him on. I too came from mtg. I played highly competitive modern for over 10 years, dipped out once they announced modern horizons 2. I hated them forcing rotation in what essentially was a non rotating format. Power creep was out of control and since they don’t have formats that are capped off. I found my joy in cardgames with retro pokemon again. So far I find base Fossil the most fun. Due to the variety in viable pokemon (essentially : the trainer cards are so good that you can pretty much play any pokemon you like as long as it is supported by the right cards. I prefer having it this way, then be forced to specific pokemon like cleffa or Sneasel. But that’s just preference.) I myself built Raindance, Do the wave, Venucenter and my own Gengar brew so far. I’m loving it. I wish more people like Ruby, Phantom etc existed. Retro pokemon is really good once you dig deeper.

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IDK why I imagined you as wearing a cowboy hat. Feels like I was cheated.

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i adore the "in loving memory" of rotated cards. make it a main stay haha

[@rubyretro]

Maybe we should!

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I completely agree 😂😂😂

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Phenomenal job again, team. Always so grateful to have my name show up on these fantastically produced videos. Folks, Aaron and Nick put their hearts and souls into these videos, and I do my best to provide solid music for them. I know they have every desire to produce videos more frequently, but the time they each put into every video is exorbitantly high (it shows), and they’ve both got full-time jobs demanding a ton of their attention. I look forward to the day the channel grows into the behemoth I believe it can be; Aaron and Nick’s vision for this channel is great, and I know if you stick around and keep supporting, you’ll see greater and greater videos all the time. This channel is nothing without every one of you; you all make the channel what it is with your love and generosity. Thank you all for your comments and for taking your precious time to watch our channel.

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Ruby Retro is also a college student studying to be a lawyer, too, right? Or was that a few years ago?

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It's finally here, thanks for the video, Ruby Retro!

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That moment when I have to be patient for your videos but I’m glad you’re taking your time to make high quality content. I know being a creator is real hard work, so I hope you always remember to rest. Thank you for doing what you!

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Thanks for understanding!

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I missed some of your videos (and I haven't seen this yet), but thanks a lot for your professional work. Is very informative but the most important thing is the type of research you do, reconstructing a story that can be lost.

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Thanks for watching our stuff! We're happy to contribute to the retro community.

[@jasminemasterss5417]

Gosh I love this series so much. They should get archived for the future honestly. It has motivated me to build decks from this formats as well.

[@ekings2119]

So cool to see other TCG creators collaborating. Plenty of love to go around. ❤

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I loved that part too, gave us a snippet of their personality & before Ruby had even suggested to go sub to them, I had opened their links from the bio and done so already! It's great to find new channels to watch .

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[@ActivateMysticMine]

Is that Julia Hedburg at 29:51? She’s the creator of the Yugioh judge program and still oversees it today! If that is her I’m blown away.

[@rubyretro]

It is the very same!

[@nicholasbaker5325]

She ran Pokémon Zeo back in the day! Got a lot of pictures from that site for this video.

[@ActivateMysticMine]

Ahhhh. I love that she’s been involved in the TCG community at large from the beginning.

[@nekomarulupin]

I've gotten back into collecting recently, and Base through Neo was the era I was most active in. I'm glad there are creatives like you who make content on past formats, as it helps fuel ideas for decks I want to make.

[@Yeahhhhthisisgood]

Hell yeah I’ve been dying for a new upload. You’re doing great friend

[@rubyretro]

Thanks, we appreciate it!

[@Kalazt]

Ah wonderful! Always waiting for a new episode. The old commercials give nice touch alongside the fact based review of what actually happened Keep up the good job Ruby Retro! ❤

[@jamesobrien7432]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the ban that Phil Mondiello received shortly after this event!

[@RetrocadePodcast]

He was too good

[@charliedontsurf3294]

I founs your series around the time i began collecting bulk base-fossil cards to play with friends, this series has been fun to listen to while theory crafting about deck builds. Thanks for this bud.

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Thanks for watching!

[@MarcTorres_dev]

As a newer player, I am LOVING the videos about TCG history, thanks for the videos!

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Glad you like them!

[@hendofriendo9288]

These videos are AMAZING! I played competitively during this time and this brings back so many fun memories.

[@JanjoZone]

Hey great work again! I don't know much about the Pokemon TCG, but it's always interesting

[@rubyretro]

Appreciate you!

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Hey this is how I am with your Yugioh history series!

[@DrNekobeard]

Another great one, I really love this series as someone that never got the chance to experience the card game despite collecting at the time.

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Much appreciated!

[@Skips531]

I posted this in the last Neo meta video but I have so many fond memories of San Diego STS. Like a team rocket cosplay duo doing the motto in Japanese on the side stage. The only physical memory I have is a picture of me and my friends at the time with the giant pikachu mascot that was walking around. Really loved this era of the tcg

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I love your videos about the TCG. It takes me back 20 years each time

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[@Danbu1988]

Haven't played this game since the gameboy game but absolutely loved watching this series so far. Super interesting and very well produced. =)

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Thank you so much!

[@austinmitchell2652]

Great video as always! It's exciting to learn about the very first rotation !

[@FlammableLizard]

Wow, yet another amazing video!! :D Thanks for all of your hard work with researching everything, as always! I especially loved seeing all of the photos from the event. Thanks so much to everybody who contributed!! I had no idea that the electroflip device existed. The kids at my Pokemon League would definitely benefit from something like that haha!

[@rubyretro]

Thanks! We're glad we were able to find so many photos from the event.

[@squeemeister]

Big thanks to all the contributors and to Ruby Retro for continuing this awesome series.

[@fangirlforlife237]

Another fantastic video as always!!!! I really love the neo genesis generation of cards. It was really cool seeing the featured guests in this one ^_^ happy you guys passed 17k subs!!! Good stuff!! 👏🏻 ^_^

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Thanks for your continued support, both by showing up and providing constant inspiration!

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It’s finally here!!! Thank you for making these amazing videos, they’re what got me into playing the Pokémon TCG

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Yoooo! That's awesome! Nothing makes us happier than hearing we brought more people into the hobby!

[@OnlineFlashReview]

I get so excited every time I see you upload another chapter of these videos! So fascinating! I’m so excited for when you reach the ex ruby sapphire/sandstorm era

[@sarkastikb5566]

I remember this is when I initially stopped battling. In Alabama, at the time, there were very few tournaments. Years prior from 97’-2000’ we would hold mini tournaments at the local “Books-a-million” store. When wizards made that decision to cancel 15+ division, our local bookstore also stopped…and there weren’t many older people willing to play anymore…it was sad times bro😂

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Thanks for coming back with such amazing work!

[@nickcasillas1618]

Love your videos covering the early days of Pokemon! Keep it up man! I can’t wait until you get to the Gen 3 sets!

[@rubyretro]

Thank you so much! We'll get there eventually.

[@Eternal420ninja]

I’m so excited to watch this when I get off this plane in an hour and a half!

[@imThomasMosa]

I live in Japan and here the retro format is still popular thanks to fans who regularly organize tournaments! Some cards can be very expensive so we are allowed to use proxy as long as we ask before entering a tournament. We have a discord with around 150 active players and it’s so cool to see the retro format getting recognition and love from the community!

[@LeChickenSan]

I dont even play pokemon CTG but im still here every upload watching for some reason

[@spudkin564]

I have absolutely no interest in picking the TCG back up, and havent played since the GBC title, and yet these videos fascinate me. You detail events historically, and accurately, but still manage to add in a dramatic flair so it's still a story. Well done indeed.

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Glad you like them!

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Loving this series man, always glad to see it pop into my recommendations!

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Thanks, we try our best!

[@lkmdude8094]

I think i speak for everyone when i say that i hope the technical difficulties era of this channel has finally come to an end. Excellent video as always.

[@rubyretro]

We are hopeful that we're finally past that era. At the very least, we finally identified and squashed the one persistent issue, and haven't yet ran into any other issues.

[@YusukeFTW]

Jimmy Ballard I believe is still the owner of a few card games stores around the Chicago area called Top Cut Comics. I bet you could get in contact and get that missing decklist

[@nicholasbaker5325]

I tried, no luck sadly! All he could give me were the three Pokemon he used to try and counter the Big Three.

[@briansix3243]

At 24:10, I was also playing a Typhlosion deck in top 8 of ECSTS 11-14

[@rubyretro]

Thanks for filling in some of the missing info! 😊

[@nicholasbaker5325]

Awesome! Typhlosion Arcanine?

[@briansix3243]

@@rubyretro Thanks for the trip down memory lane! It's fun seeing all the familiar names.

[@Landorus100]

Love these video. The part where you had all those retro youtubers introducing the decks felt like the avengers assembling 😭

[@rubyretro]

PokeTubers, assemble!

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Finally!!! Love these videos. Thank you for the great work!

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Glad you like them!

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Great video. This format seems pretty interesting. Liked the ad read

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Absolutely loved this series. Let's hope there's still one more episode in the works!

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Premiere is tonight @7pm EST

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‘Twas a pleasure to lend my extremely niche expertise. Great work as always!

[@rubyretro]

Thanks again!

[@austinparker87]

Yooooo BRUCE is an MVP frfr. Mad love and respect for the dedication to what you enjoy and the willingness to share some of the past of what you enjoy and how you enjoyed it early on in its development. Super awesome. I don’t have any cards (yet) anymore. But I’d love to play against a 71yo who’s got a love for the game 🎉

[@coryfice1881]

I remember having a Feraligatr card only for it to get stolen by someone who look through my desk to get it.

[@maxb2000]

such a great and well-researched series. I love this series. Thank you for making it.

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Our pleasure!

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Love these videos! Feels like the audio mixing is better this time. Great stuff!

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I am so invested in this series, it's so interesting lmao

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You put a lot of research into these. Bravo dude, this is a great series

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Much appreciated!

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Always look so forward to these videos, thank you for the incredible content!

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Thanks!

[@ivaneletto]

Hi Ruby!!! Your work is amazing! I was there in San Diego in December 2001... I played for team Switzerland, i have some picture of the event... I'll be glad to contact you 👍🏻

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Yes! That's awesome! Please reach out on Twitter or Discord.

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Damn i'm at work when this will drop, I'll have to watch this later.

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Shame, but we'll appreciate your viewership all the same!

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Looking forward to seeing episode six. Keep up the good work liking the amazing video 25:44

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Coming out tonight @7pm EST

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@rubyretro episode six was fantastic thanks for the amazing video

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First off, love the series! Secondly the Elo ranking system is named after it's creator Arpad Elo, so it's called the Elo system, not E.L.O

[@CamWammy115]

One of the best series on KZbin.

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💜

[@MAYOFORCE]

Really cool that the big 3 used all the iconic starters from Gen 2. And Slowbro

[@CrimsonFlameChris]

This Series is great, I am working on a custom Card Project and I dislike how powercrept and fast everything feels today, when compared to what I have nostalgia for. This is helping me understand the Game a lot more, which in turn helps me with designs and scaling the powerlevel. I'd wish the series would go on to cover the third generations ex era too. Must have been a lot of work putting all this together.

[@vgpokemonmaster]

another straight banger, ty for the content!

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Used to watch Bruce's KZbin channel backbin 2013, what a crazy coincidence! Proud of you @pikaB!🎉

[@ivaneletto]

Hi ruby!!! How it's going the work on the next video? Can't w8 to see it! :) Thx in advance!

[@rubyretro]

It will go up tonight at 7pm EST!

[@danielpayne1597]

Neo was such a fresh addition to Pokemon TCG. I was so excited for it as a kid. My friends and I would play our decks that even included Japanese cards, like my Typhlosion, with a printed paper to read as we battled each other. If only the accursed hand lock cards of the Gym series weren't available. Base Set through Fossil and Neo through Ruby/Sapphire and perhaps Diamond/Pearl era was the best time for me playing the game.

[@etp4899]

Oh hell yeah!!! I'm excited for this!!!!

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I will always make time to watch these without fail

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All Hail our Entei/Magcargo overlords

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Part 6 when!!

[@rubyretro]

Tonight @7pm EST

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Great video again! I'll be patiently waiting for the next one 😇

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Appreciate you!

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The content you create is fantastic. It's very easy to watch, and I always learn so much from each video. Keep up the great work.

[@rubyretro]

Thanks, will do!

[@Conspirachu]

I really look forward to this series, it's very well done

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Thanks!

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Great video once again! Really makes me wish I actually learned to play when I was 6 instead of 28 😅

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Thanks!

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Need these faster but I’m taking what I can get

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One day, we hope to be able to go full time, but we'll see how soon that is.

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awsome channel and great video as usual!

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[@LordJudgement1818]

Love these. Blast from the past. I still remember all the decks me and my friends in the neighborhood played. I saw a few of those cards in this video and it made me smile.

[@rubyretro]

Glad you liked it!

[@LordJudgement1818]

@@rubyretro this is my jam! My neighbor played typhlosion , there was a rain dance deck and I played misty Poliwhirl and misty seadra. We had a do the wave deck etc etc. Good times

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Videos rock never stop thank you

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I remember that ad at the start of the video!

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This video deserves way more views. Can't wait for the next one!

[@rubyretro]

Tonight @7pm EST

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I’m so happy with this episode, and so glad we could feature so many great photos from the event!

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Where is the next episode? 😢

[@rubyretro]

Premiere is tonight @7pm EST

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Let's gooo

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i truly love your content, keep going :)

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Thank you! Will do!

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This is my favorite episode thus far!

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Here we go!!

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Thanks, will do!

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Where you at goat we need you

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Tonight @7pm EST

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@@rubyretroI used to pray for times like this 😭

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Watching this as a reminder before the premiere

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Cant wait for the Gen 3 of Pokemon TCG Meta!

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Keep em coming!

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Will do!

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Love this content please keep it coming!

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More to come!

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Wow, a four month early birthday present!

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Hope you're all doing well! Will this series be continued?

[@rubyretro]

Next episode is going up tonight @7pm EST!

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Please keep making these!

[@rubyretro]

That's the plan!

[@aleckermit]

Bruh, that Blaine's Kangaskhan inclusion is mind-boggling. Both attacks are bad.

[@SunriseCavalier]

Best colab ever!

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Wake up baby new ruby retro dropped

[@gskotone]

Pokémon Zeo was kino Considering WOTC probably *intentionally* mistranslated Slowking, I really don't like the idea of suggesting they'd "done everything they could to make a healthy meta". They are responsible for a lot of the problems for the time period discussed in this time period - they were behind on translating a number of cards, including the Expansion Sheets ("Vending"), which had some consequential cards for this meta. Having to drop entire sets to conjure up a modified format that was completely separate from what Creatures strikes me as completely degenerate and created a precedent that lasted for a few years in sanctioned events and is still present to the current day in unofficial retro formats - my eyes roll out of my head when English retro players seem to think things like "Rocket-on" or "neo+e-Card" are 'legitimate' formats and not fanfic-tier cutoffs. By no means whatsoever begrudge this video existing - I loathe most TCG KZbins but I this one is pretty good - but my interest in this particular video ends up limited I just consider the format discussed here "made up" (again, effectively existing due to WOTC meddling)

[@rubyretro]

Wizards did hold the license, so officially, this is the format, at least as far as America is concerned, but they definitely mishandled the IP in countless ways, which is why Nintendo gave it to TPCi in '03. We're excited to eventually get on to the post WOTC era. Thanks for stopping by!

[@Charmaster04]

@ambassadortcg @rubyretro Did Creatures ever tell Wizards about Hall of Fame or let them use it if they knew about it? Ruby Retro mentioned that Wizards wasn’t allowed to use a ban list, and while that might have just been inferred, if Wizards was forbidden from copying Hall of Fame’s two point system, or if Creatures never told them it was an option, wouldn’t that put a small part of the blame on Creatures for Wizards deciding to rotate Base Set through Fossil? That being said, Wizards eventually banned Sneasel and Slowking in Modified, so I’m not as confident that they were forbidden from banning cards.