Why Pokemon Gen 2 Is The Worst In The Series

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Why I think Gen 2 Pokemon (Gold and Silver) are the worst games in the series and everything thats wrong with them
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[@714KH]

Feraligatr didn't get a species name, it got a username.

[@CuddleCuttlefish]

Oof, to true. Poor Ferali

[@decoral]

And they didn't even fix in Gen 6!

[@thatonedudegames]

I've heard it's because they had a ten character limit for names back in the day for names

[@handa6748]

@@decoral I mean, they used it for so long that it didn't make sense to change

[@loganjackson3760]

666 likes spooky

[@ryuuronin9852]

"The rival is also a total edgelord." This is hilarious in hindsight due to his recent cameo in Jaiden Animations.

[@mudamuda482]

He became the thing he hates the most lmaoo

[@Ryan-jc3ip]

Thing is, it works well narratively. Rivals from Gen 3 onward are a bit neutered. (Hell, Brendan/May don't even fight you with a fully evolved starter in RSE). In Gen 1, your rival is the main recurring antagonist; even more so than Team Rocket. They don't go anywhere narratively, though. The Gen 2 rival actually changes through the game; they start as an incredibly dark person, and end up learning from you to the point where their final team has a Pokemon that can only evolve through friendship.

[@chris3683]

@@Ryan-jc3ip It really sucks that every Rival after Gen 2 is like ,,Oooohh we're best friends!! :*'', like, they all have adhd, autism or some other diseases ig. Give us some good rivals. Someone who's not like our friend or anything, give us someone with a personality or a backround which is not only being your friend. Or maybe have that he/she is your friend and turns evil or something like that. I have special hate for Barry and Tali, holy shit are they annoying and like nothing happens with them.

[@arandomcrusader8822]

@@chris3683 Bede The jackass who gets character development

[@ambannedfrombeinghuman2263]

@@chris3683 N fro Gen V was a pretty cool rival tho

[@Natsukiza1]

The Houndour thing actually blows my mind. Its introduced so late into the game that I thought it was a Gen 3 Pokemon.

[@lucaskincanyon7393]

Same with me hahaha.

[@nickisabelle724]

I had forgotten about that, but now remember that I had spent one playthrough catching and breeding a perfect gen 2 team, then sent the babies to a new game file. Started the game with lvl 2 houndour etc. I never finished that run

[@reidlos8084]

I always knew they were gen 2 because i grew up with pokemon when it was new and i remember when the celebi movie came out. Those new pokemon were all gen 2, that's how i always remembered it. 2, 3 and 4 actually. But i think 4 was when they had houndoom? Or no? Lol idk it's been a minute since i played anything

[@harold5337]

Same with me and Slugma. I also know a few who had that with Natu.

[@butteredsalmonella]

When I was a kid I thought Slugma was a gen 3 mon and that it evolves into either Magcargo (I actually didn't know Magcargo even exists at the time) and Torkoal

[@vwabi]

I always thought Skarmory was a gen 3 pokemon. He shows up once as a wild pokemon after the 8th gym, at like a 5% encounter rate. He's not used by a single trainer in the entire generation. It's not even like he's some kind of pseudo-legendary or something that would justify him being so hidden. It's just a wasted slot in a game that already only has ~100 new pokemon to begin with.

[@cannabishornliu6119]

Yeah. It's crazy how Skarmory is more connected to the FRICKING champ of Gen. 3 than his home region.

[@Maric18]

to be honest it was gen 2. it felt magical to find the "secret" und "unusual" bonus pokemon hidden around the game i agree that the gen3+ thing is better, but thats just a decision^^ source: played that shit as a kid and the playground rumors went insane, which was super fun

[@seeibe]

​@@Maric18 Yeah I dunno what people are talking about. These were the days when you would buy magazines with these lists of Pokemon. Steel type was this cool and rare type, kind of like dragon type in gen 1, so you'd see Skarmory on the magazine, scour the entire region for it, and then feel really good about yourself when you found it. A lot of people judging Gen 2 here don't seem to know what it was like to be a kid with just a Gameboy and no internet around the time it released. You didn't play Pokemon to "win", you played it to find Pokemon that looked cool and put them on your team.

[@chadsomemalowsome]

@@seeibe thats cool, until you realize that slugma is actually a gen 2 pokemon and not a gen 3

[@naganut9718]

@@Maric18 yeah the issue is that this clearly isn't a good design and the fact HGSS doesn't fix the shit really hurts it

[@jovaughnplays]

Gen2 had the best rival...that dude straight up has the cops looking for him

[@RickyRiceB]

Vs the virgin blue which isn’t even a rude rival. People have this Mandela effect that he’s far meaner than he is but that’s because the anime (who was an actual douche) influenced their view of him. The meanest blue ever is to players in the game is his “smell ya later” line

[@conic2721]

@@RickyRiceB Like, I never watched the first season, and I think Blue is not a bad person. I even like the character

[@RickyRiceB]

@@conic2721 I probably shouldn’t get worked up about it as much as I do, it just feels frustrating seeing everyone praise blue in the game for being something that he’s not, he’s genuinely chill with a rad disposition, dude literally calls us bud and wonders if we’re doing ok when he sees you before battles

[@36moshpit7]

@@RickyRiceB To be fair, he does leave all the Silph Co. employees at the mercy of a criminal organization. His only concern then was fighting you, so that's pretty douchey.

[@trickysmithy9154]

@@RickyRiceB well I would say. I don’t care if the rival is mean like silver, but what makes Blue better as a rival is because the beginning of Kanto is set up as a race to see who can get the badges first, and he’s always ahead of you and taunting you at every corner. Unlike every other story. Sinnoh was close, but it always felt like the rival in there was trying to be as good as you than you trying to be better than him

[@goner1179]

This man just blew my mind with the charizard and thyplosion stats.

[@BoneThugsRTheBest]

I always thought typhlosion was weaker than Charizard. Really interesting though, i dont think Game Freak expected us to grow up and notice this shit show hahaha.

[@yaboiseth5231]

Typhosion and Charizard have the same stats, Venasaur and Meganium have similar but the Attack and Defense stats are swapped, and Blastoise and Feraligatr have different stats but the BST is the same

[@nanuser420]

@@BoneThugsRTheBest maybe it could be because Typhlosion is a purely fire type, while Charizard is fire and flying, probably not though

[@hatchell18]

@@yaboiseth5231 bst?

[@lkmdude8094]

Same man, I had no idea.

[@indecisiveidiot7334]

Fun fact: out of the 58 Pokémon used by the 16 gym leaders, only ten of them are Johto Pokémon. That is roughly 17%. If you include the elite four and champion fights, it changes to 19 Johto Pokémon out of 90 Pokémon total, or 21%.

[@traveller400]

Yeah, the creators had this idea in their head to use none or few of the new Pokémon they designed. No earthly idea why, it's a new generation. I mean, in Gen 3, 4, 5 and even 6, they attempt to put around half a Gym's team (Gym trainers included) as Generation exclusive (new) Pokémon. It'd be so easy to fix. Bugsy? Spinarak line. Falkner? Hoot-Hoot, Murkrow for coverage. Claire? No fixing her when there's a whopping 4 Dragon types total between her and Lance. Morty having nothing but the Gastly line? Why? The only ones done justice are the Normal & Steel Gyms. IMO, we should have gotten rid of the Ice Gym and had a Dark Gym. Umbreon being sadly only real choice for pure Dark. Huge missed chance to make that happen, especially when they put a freaking Psychic E4 member as your first fight of the League! With bulky walls on his team, even worse when you refight him in the remakes!

[@edgyanole9705]

@@traveller400 cven the steel gym has problems like there is one line that was in gen one that became steel type in gen two and there two of them in the fight, I understand having one to show that magnamite changed its type, but why two?

[@Coconut_Prrson]

Jhoto is just a Kanto DLC

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

@@Coconut_Prrson You nail it

[@CEDL0W]

@@traveller400 If I had to give a reason it’s because gen 2 is the only generation that doesn’t pretend like their new Pokémon have always existed. Lore wise all of the “Johto” Pokémon where discovered within the 3 year timeskip after Gen 1. Jasmine for example has only recently started using the new steel type so recently in fact that her gym is still designed like a rock type gym. Other gym leaders are still using Kanto Pokémon because that was all there was up until recently.

[@movezig5]

I'm surprised you never addressed my biggest gripe with gen 2: All the TMs suck. You have to rely on elemental punches with limited distribution for coverage, the only decent fighting-type move is 50% accurate, and all the ones that are _actually good_ are in Kanto. What really pisses me off is that the only way to get Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, and Flamethrower is to waste all your time gambling, and _only_ in Crystal! Oh, and they did my boy Heracross dirty. Why even _make_ it a fighting type if you aren't going to give it any fighting STAB options? All that does is make it weak to the psychic types it would otherwise counter! What, was Megahorn too good? And why does it take until level 54 to learn it??? _AND WHY AM I NOWHERE NEAR THAT LEVEL WHEN I GET TO MOUNT SILVER???_

[@nickcoltz1526]

i dont blame you if you are underleveled in this game. seriously, LV 23 wild pokemon in 8th gym? with lv 40 Kingdra?

[@ricardohuff8774]

I feel you I regret playing this one, the level curve is what hurts the game plus you do not get good moves much, the poke walker doesn't help much at all. It feels like Kanto 2.0 , you gamble to get the good stuff and that sucks. Sad that many people like this and didn't see the major flaws and give it 10s for no reason. What the point getting 16 badges anyway? A waste of time.

[@thecrimsonfuckeralucardlor5087]

The sad thing is mega horn isn't even that good because the shit accuracy lol

[@ricardohuff8774]

@@thecrimsonfuckeralucardlor5087 there some good moves with bad accuracy, I stop playing because it feels like a chore to play than having fun. The rival is overrated too, I do not see what so special plus the game not too hard anyway. Why they trying to made red hard but I got the right pokemon to beat him, on level 69 to 74. The concept in pokemon kinda sucks, I do not want to play the new titles i do not want to recapture and trying to capture all pokemon because I can't catch em all.

[@thecrimsonfuckeralucardlor5087]

@@ricardohuff8774 idk I always go for accuracy because if it misses it kills your run. That's why he chose magic leaf over giga drain in kaizo. Rip bartender

[@bagelpenguin6499]

"Never have I been so offended by something that I 100% agree with."

[@zachsvaultofstupidity3772]

Same

[@damsanspokemon6413]

Foreal heart gold is like my favorite Pokémon game cause it’s the first one I ever played

[@Abcdefg-rk8jk]

@@damsanspokemon6413 heart gold is in gen 4

[@pokaay3163]

@@Abcdefg-rk8jk a lot of what he talked about still applied to hg/ss, gen don't matter coz the original material was still there

[@barbershopbible]

I was just watching that James Acaster stand up. Excellent reference

[@dog8248]

How to play Gen 2: 1. Catch Abra 2. Learn Elemental Punches 3. Sweep

[@akuilaopo3231]

How to evolve abra?

[@skrrtskrrt2410]

@@akuilaopo3231 Kadabra evolves by level but you need to trade it in order to evolve it to Alakazam

[@asafesseidonsapphire]

@Nick Cruz i used in crystal Feraligator, Kadabra, Noctowl, Togepi, Sandshrew and Victreebell.

[@pacoramon9468]

Doesn't work on the remakes.

[@asafesseidonsapphire]

@Nick Cruz My Pokémon were around level 50-66 i think basically my Feraligator and my Kadabra killed all his team. But I died in various other attempts.

[@docterfantazmo]

The fact you can only catch Houndour in one specific spot after 11 bloody badges is actually ridiculous, I don't get why some Pokemon are like that, so rare/late that they're just unpractical to use on a play through, Nuzlocke or not.

[@lennyward7662]

Because Pokémon, at this time, was about collecting. Battling wasn't the primary goal. Catching and raising were. At least that's my opinion on the matter.

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

@@lennyward7662 Pokemon isnt something like monster rancher or Tamagotchi. Bredding and so on is there but isnt the focus of the game. The game expects you to do battles to progress and this is something you would do most of the game.

[@shorewall]

@@lennyward7662 When they come out with a new gen, with new pokemon, LET ME CATCH THE NEW POKEMON AND PLAY WITH THEM!!! :D I cannot believe they gated the new pokemon, and in Kanto, of all places! They should have leaned towards gating the old gen pokemon and forcing you to use the new pokemon.

[@arkayv]

So true. I wanted to play the old gen games since my first gen was gen 5 and favorite mons were T-tar and Bisharp, I was so excited to get t-tar in crystal but when I realized I had to beat literally 95% of the game to get it was just absolutely absurd to me.

[@mymonitoreatsmice]

Especially when you consider that you can catch growlithe in that spot in gen 1... it would have been cool to just keep growlithe there and have houndour available around the 4th gym in johto... would have made a lot more sense

[@realsanmer]

When the most memorable part of the region is the fact you can go outside of it, you've done something wrong.

[@Kaynadian1337]

Thats what all the people who grew out of the hobby say. Its much more memorable then that if you were there. Its such a massive improvement over Gen1

[@naganut9718]

​@@Kaynadian1337we get it, doesn't make the issue any less relevant

[@pengwino828]

@@Kaynadian1337Kanto sucked in gen 2, HGSS made it a tiny bit better

[@jprec5174]

@@naganut9718you don't get it because you clearly weren't there. It's one thing to say the game doesn't stand up to the standards and game design of the franchise today, it's another to tell people who played and loved gen 2 when it came out as having rose-tinted glasses because the game is bad. The latter is a bad argument because at the time gen 2 was exactly the type of game players wanted.

[@naganut9718]

@@jprec5174 I don't care if I was there or not. HGSS are some of the most flawed Pokemon games. It barely fix any issues with the original. Whether slow pacing, level curve, lack of plot or climax, lack of good mons, etc. You can love it, doesn't mean I won't say its overrated

[@Nobody-iv2ot]

Gen 2 was the first game to let you skip the “how to catch a Pokémon” tutorial and it took 6 generations for them to bring it back.

[@MasterJayanX]

The catching tutorial is also skippable in Red and Blue, but they made it mandatory in future Kanto games, including Yellow.

[@kerrywien6775]

Gen 2 is indeed the Worst Generation, this video is so accurate. THE REGULAR POKÉMONS OF GEN 2 ARE GARBAGE/TRASH, That SO MANY GEN 2 POKÉMON GOT NEW PERMANENT EVOLVED FORMS in GEN 4. THAT’S WHY GEN 2 is My Least Favorite Gen, WEAK ROSTER OF POKÉMONS, A BAD STORY/PLOT, A LOT OF NEW UGLY POKÉMONS, BLAND CHARACTERS/GYM LEADERS, WEAK GYM LEADERS, WEAK NPC, They even copied the STARTERS, WEAK STARTERS, ALL GEN 2 STARTERS ARE MONOTYPED, FUCK GEN 2.

[@ricardohuff8774]

@@kerrywien6775 and people said Silver the best rival of the series, what about Blue?

[@riplix20]

@@kerrywien6775 first of all. Tone down the caps lock lol. Secondly, all 3 starters are monotypes, except charizard isn’t monotype, and neither is venusaur, so your point stands for blastoise, even though their specs are almost opposite On that note most fucking starters are monotype. Torchic mudkip and treecko are ALL monotype.

[@ezezezez5300]

@@riplix20 “secondly all 3 starters are monotypes except for over half of them

[@powwowken2760]

I love the rant about Unknown, I vividly remember being a kid and catching the entire damn alphabet of Unknown because obviously something cool needs to happen if you collect them all right? I mean the ruins where you catch them is weirdly empty and mysterious, clearly there was some secret to uncover.... No, there was nothing, just wasted time and broken dreams

[@dhietheowrgh912]

Yeah i think after catching the unown ! and ? it's done

[@shavedleggs5390]

Dawg same!! God I wished more happened

[@davidgeorge3944]

Same dude! That took me fucking hours ill never get back. A to z for fuckall!

[@Chimera-man-man]

There's a guy at the research centre next door who, upon catching all of them, allows you to use the game boy printer to print images of them lol But yeah upon seeing the Pokemon movie, I thought Unknown would do some cool stuff with Entei...

[@spencerpommier806]

They're literally living hieroglyphics how is that not the sickest s*** in the world

[@MrKinglydude]

As much as I love Gen 2, it definitely has huge issues. You can tell Game Freak wasn't quite sure with how to proceed following the unbelievable success of Gen 1. So they decided to make the newer Pokemon weaker and essentially add a whole second region with Kanto postgame. That's what made Gen 3 so great - they were clearly much more proud of their new mons and the balance curve/pacing was much more thought-out. All that said, Gen 2 has this very unique charm to it that I adore to this day. It feels... esoteric? Spiritual? Very, very Japanese? No other games in the series capture that vibe for me.

[@adswers6900]

do you have any technical knowledge? to get the games running on gameboy still is amazing. they already had working builds in 1997. they took 2 more years to completely redo the games and polish them. that generation is the most defining for pokemon. it introduced not only the special split and breeding but so many small things that kept you playing and adventuring in the game. day and night cycle. a phone to be able to refight trainers. radio and even special events with it. ( special frequencies only having a station on certain parts of the plot ). berries, shinies and so much more. his only "valid" point is that he doesnt like the design.

[@MrKinglydude]

@@adswers6900 no doubt.

[@shorewall]

@@adswers6900 Nothing you said addressed anything in this video. :D

[@adswers6900]

@@shorewall not sure if youre just trolling or fallen for cognitive dissonance. unvalid points, from the video, i addressed: the games being rushed; games being unpolished; games being overrated.

[@SmoothTurtle840]

The Gen 2 vibes are simply immaculate, like the OST goes so hard (probably because it has to carry the rest of the game on its shoulders).

[@boba3597]

My biggest problem with Gen 2 is the evo stones. You basically beat 8-11 gyms just to get a fire stone. I remember replaying Silver with a vulpix and having it unevolved up until you make it to Bills house in fucking kanto where you get the stone.

[@Mr.Magcargo]

That problem was solved in HgSS, you can get all the stones at the Pokeathlon domain at each specific day of the week. On top of that playing Pokeathlon was actually fun unlike Voltorb balst..

[@abscinding]

​@@Mr.Magcargo I spotted the person who is ass at Voltorb flip so they claim instead that it's boring.

[@marcasieber]

I really wish Heart Gold and Soul Silver would have moved Houndour into Johto. Just have it so you find Growlithe and Houndour in the same spot. One dog for day, one dog for night. It makes so much sense.

[@kingdoge69]

Never understood how they had new Pokémon for this gen in Kanto, which is only reachable post game. Like what? Murkrow, houndour, and larvitar all post Pokémon league

[@aceclover758]

True but to alleviate that, Heartgold and Soulsilver give you access to the Safari Zone after you beat Jasmine. The zone has many Kanto and Johto pokemon that you normally cannot get till post game. That includes ones like Houndour, Murkrow, Sneasel, Larvitar and Misdreavus

[@aceclover758]

@@kingdoge69 Even gen 1 gave you Dratini before the post game.

[@marcasieber]

@@aceclover758 I believe you can't find Houndour there until after the Safari Zone has been upgraded, which is still pretty late into the game. I'm not sure exactly how the mechanic works, but according to the Bulbapedia page Houndour is found in the Safari Zone at levels 41-42, which makes me think you still can't have access to it until pretty late. But I did not know that you could find Larvitar there pretty early until you mentioned it and I looked it up. I've been replaying HeartGold and now I need to go do that.

[@aceclover758]

@@marcasieber Okay, so if I just read (and I remember getting Houndour pre E4), you can get it by the upgraded safari zone aka the block system. This is done by completing the Warden’s 2nd challenge of catching a SAndhsrew. He will call you 3 hours after the first challenge is completed. To catch a Sandshrew, you must create a desert area but that is the ONLY area you can create pre E4. Once you do that, then you can use the block system to catch Houndour. Funny thing is you can catch all the new Johto pokemon pre E4 EXCEPT HOUNDOUR without doing the 2nd challenge. Post E4 is to unlock more zones to create and the national dex poke

[@gary5796]

i was dreading for you to get onto Quagsire, but when you said, “Quagsire: great,” i felt a joyous smile spread across my face

[@BarbBabe]

Whoopy boi is still better though

[@eyeccantseeyouu]

@@BarbBabe objectively false

[@idontcheckmynotifications]

.w. the closest i can get to a quagsire smile face sorrry

[@napalmblaziken]

No one can hate on the Quag.

[@kariya6646]

@@BarbBabe both. both are good

[@thebandit6886]

I remember as a kid i had my friend trade me a larvitar, a scyther holding the metal coat, and a seadra holding a dragon scale at like gym 5 or 6 just so I could use pokemon I wanted to use because everything else was either Gen 1 pokes or they sucked... man I still love Gen 2 but holy shit was it a mess 😔

[@pepesmoke1548]

Your friend is a major w must of been a pain trying to level that larvitar though

[@PropiaRealidad]

This is an old video, but I just want to mention: Spinarak/ariados sucked hard back then, but it would have still been better than kakuna on Bugsy's team. Let's switch metapod for pineco too since we are at it. Seriously, why does the 2nd gym leader uses arguably the worst pokemons in the entire game? I understand scyther is busted stat-wise, but metapod and kakuna is just idiotic. They at least had offensive moves though.

[@naganut9718]

Very late but Ledian fits the build better. Ariados has been used by both koga and Janine, not to mention the gym badge Bugsy gave is literally the shape of a ladybug

[@scrungybungingi5171]

Bugsy's kakuna and metapod both evolve earlier than level 14, so literally all of his pokemon are capable of evolving, but he doesn't evolve them.

[@dapperghastmeowregard]

"The designs are genuinely very ugly." [Furret at the center of the screen] "Peace was never an option."

[@gamemasteroffun]

Thank you the game is fucking disgusting to look at. Like the design of the poke balls is grotesque. The color scheme of towns is horrid. Generally not a fun game to play

[@Sunaki1000]

Yeah, I love Quirlfish, Xatu, Kingdra, Ursaring, Donphan, Scarmory... Pokemondesign is bad, yes sure. I treate the Pokemondesign over Gen 3, my favorite.

[@8bitsniper568]

Gen 2 had the best looking 8 Bit Pokemon, beats Gen 1’s Sprites out of the Water

[@kiremetheshadowmaster35]

I actually liked Gen 2 sprites and designs. Were all of the great? No but they weren't bad.

[@SM-be5dh]

@@8bitsniper568 "Beats Gen 1's sprites out of the water" Isn't that the point of a newer game?

[@greattitan371]

I thought you were gonna do my boy Typhlo dirty then I realized the game did.

[@gypsysprite4824]

the second this video pointed it out, i started theorycrafting a new statline for typhlosion: 70 hp 100 atk 70 def 100 sp atk 80 sp def 115 spd. upgraded to 535 bst from 534 bst (imo all starters should be 535 bst. fun fact: until like, gen 5 the starters never had equal base stats amongst eachother) yep, i desire a nice glass canon who can attack both sides well. :D

[@djroscurro9859]

@@gypsysprite4824 I 90% agree with this spread. Only thing is that with how intense Typhlosion is I think it would hit a good bit harder.

[@gypsysprite4824]

@@djroscurro9859 mean...the spread i gae it nerfed it's special attack a tad in favor of aking it really fast and also making it hit pretty well on the physical side of curse stats are the last o typhlosion's concern, have you seen how meh this thing's movepool is?

[@jamimison8845]

@DEAD CHANNEL I mean by then you should already have a Pokemon to fight Clair

[@hershy1594]

Not only did they not do anything with his stats all of the starters move pools are really shallow. They seem to hate this generation

[@thsand5032]

Fun fact : the other johto starters stats are the kanto starters stats, except shuffled. Like it was just too hard for them to create 9 new stat spreads. That's 54 whole numbers they had to come up with. LITTERALLY 54 bytes of data.

[@adswers6900]

fun fact: you dont know how data works, especially pokemon data.

[@thsand5032]

@@adswers6900 What did I get wrong ? Afaik, the value of a pokemon stat is an integer between 0 and 255, ie 1 byte / 8 bits. You can quantify how much information the johto starter's stats represent when your prior knowldege is that a pokemon has all its stats between 0 and 255, and it's 54 bytes. I'm not claiming that it would've been easy to change it on the cartridge because I indeed have no clue about how these games are programmed - but no matter how you look at it, the information contained in a set of 54 numbers between 0 and 255 is (at most) 54 bytes of data, and that's quantifyably not much to come up with. I'm also assuming that, having 251 mons in the game, there exists some sort of "blank template" (the equivalent of a class in OOP) for a pokemon species, where you can just specify some stuff like typing or base stats to ease the process of implementing mons, but I might be very wrong here and would be very interested to learn how it actually works.

[@adswers6900]

@@thsand5032 "It was just too hard for them to create 9 new stat spreads. That's 54 whole numbers they had to come up with. LITTERALLY 54 bytes of data." every pokemon contains 32 bytes of data in gen 2. to say they couldnt come up with 54 special bytes. while adding 3,2 kb of uniqe pokemon data, seems quite ridiculous. what do you mean by "blank template"? they have done great work with their compression of the data however, you can call every individual pokemon species. all of them are stored in rom, possibly through compressing algorithm.

[@thsand5032]

@@adswers6900 That was my exact point. I was wondering why they chose the admittedly lazy "shuffle the stats" solution, for the starters of all pokemon, when they actually went through the trouble of creating brand new stats spreads for other, less important mons. By "blank template", I mean an equivalent to a class in OOP.

[@adswers6900]

@@thsand5032 what is OOP ?

[@iRazenrak]

I feel like HGSS ruined Giovanni by having him try to return. For the longest time, I always assumed Giovanni never showed up because after losing to Red, he knew that trying to brute force his way with power was the wrong decision. He sees remnants of his old team and he's ashamed because they're a desperate collection of grunts who are looking for him, and he sees himself in them, and he doesn't acknowledge them. But Celebi showing you that Giovanni tried to return to power ruined that sentiment. Also, why does a mythical pokemon give a fuck about what the mob is doing?

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

I always though in my mind that Giovanni just decided to commited suicide 🤣

[@oranjaglad8648]

@@sebastianaliandkulche Actually, I'm pretty sure that was a popular fan theory at one point.

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

@@oranjaglad8648 Oh i didnt know.

[@theinktician]

More HGSS writing decisions for me to haye

[@heitorvieira2169]

I laughed loud at the end 😂

[@axe7665]

*Sudowoodo Me: Don't you dare say anything bad. *Cool design. Me: Good

[@austini.5262]

@Bradley Norton Honestly there are pokemon that are way worse than sudowoodo, it's design is also pretty interesting, too bad it's super forgettable

[@grunkleg.3110]

Sudowoodo is one of the few Pokémon in these games to actually have a decent level-up movepool, so it's sorta worth using for that

[@tonymccurry8621]

@@Nekogami04 Today I learned that Geodude isn’t a mono-rock type. I always just assumed.

[@Zretgul_timerunner]

@@tonymccurry8621 rock/ground have no clue if that was the cade back during gen 1 but i know it was during gen 2 by playing crystal to death and beyond.

[@cocokill3048]

As someone who mainly use Sudowoodo in online battles in Sword and Shield, i agree

[@gadeosmad4182]

There's an easy way to let people challenge gyms in any order without making them all easy: have the leaders maintain multiple teams, and fight you with one based on how many badges you have. I mean, you figure that must be how it actually works in-universe, right?

[@psyfozim]

Right? I wonder how difficult it was to implement scaling based on current badges. I used to think even scaling with levels and all gym leaders/elite-four having a full team of six would have elevated the challenge.

[@Zazume_]

There is a rom hack named Crystal Clear, that actually does exactly that. It's basically open world, you can challenge all 16 gyms at any point, and they all have 16 different teams depending on the order, you chose.

[@EnigmaBarry]

The worst part, even if you don't want to make 8 different teams for each gym leader, you could divide the gym leaders into sets. First Gym leader has one team. Leaders 2,3&4 can be fought in any order, but have 3 teams and stronger than the first gym leader. Leaders 5,6,&7 can be fought in any order but also have 3 teams, stronger than the previous set of leaders. And then you have leader 8 who only has one team but is the strongest team. Maybe he uses Pokémon that aren't his specialized type. in the end, that's only 21 teams (1+9+9+1) you have to think about versus the 64 potential teams (8x8).

[@artist0154]

@@EnigmaBarry yep also 2,3,4 and 5,6,7, packs don't need many changes maybe one or two pokemon evolve and that's all, so this is a really good idea

[@TheInstantclassicffa]

I agree and I don't think this would be difficult to implement at all. In theory this would just be a simple condition statement, for example: if(player has 6 badges) set the levels of gym leader ace pokemon to 35. They didn't need to change the team, just the levels. Moveset are irrelevant as all the pokemon had the last 3 moves they learned by level up and the TM the gym leader gives out so you don't need to hard code that just pull the data from the pokemon learnset which I assume is how they did it anyways.

[@tokyolost4220]

“Wtf is Dunsparce???” Made me laugh more than it should

[@SalcranVGC]

Another thing that bugs me about the Gen 2 national dex is that it's not really in 'order'. Usually they're in order of the route or area you would usually encounter them; this is easier to see in later dexes, even in Hoenn. Meanwhile, you got Scizor somewhere in the middle, despite Bugsy having Scyther, and Chinchou/Lanturn fairly near the start. It's just complete chaos.

[@g-forcefgt323]

In what world does miltank being at the end of the list of gen 2 pokemon make sense when you can first catch one right after whitney lel

[@brandonbernard1570]

My least favorite part about the abysmal level curve is that it’s basically impossible to add a Pokémon to your party past the 3rd gym unless you want to grind for literal hours. Want to add a post-game specific mon to your team like houndour? Have fun leveling it up 40 levels by fighting nothing stronger than level 25 wild Pokémon.

[@roralize1358]

You're not expected to grind. You're just expected to know what you're doing and have the skill to defeat the higher level trainers. Do you genuinely think you're expected to get all your Pokemon to level 80 or something??

[@bullymaguire6388]

@@roralize1358 no amount of skill can save you when your team is under levelled.

[@roralize1358]

@@bullymaguire6388 dude you can beat Red with Pokemon in the high 40s-low 50s. You just have to be patient and skillful enough.

[@actuatioN352]

@@roralize1358 you still have to grind a lot to even have a chance against against red

[@roralize1358]

@@actuatioN352 No you really don't. This whole "level gap grinding" thing in Gen II literally does not exist.

[@rocko0214]

Before watching: HOW DARE YOU?! After watching: the man is on to something.

[@sirwelcome]

@Cristopher Diez Vasquez Um

[@kayleigh1991]

Cristopher Diez Vasquez ew no

[@thiffguy9134]

@Vale Sauce Can I say something? Saying something is marketed to kids is a terrible excuse! Adults are children grown up Vale!

[@Sipricy]

@Vale Sauce "It's made for kids" is probably one of the worst arguments you can make to defend bad decisions. The only other argument off the top of my head that's worse is, "It's just a game." It's hilarious that you talk about "the pro scene" and esports when a lot of adults do not give any shits about competitive Pokemon. A lot of people just want a good single player experience, and even if people don't analyze the games this much, they still feel that games like gen 2, or the newer Pokemon games, aren't as good as gens 3-5, because the way that the games are designed matters. Your argument is founded on the idea that the games were made for kids, so anyone's criticisms of them don't matter, and it completely falls apart if you decide to rub two brain cells together and come to the conclusion that the argument is stupid and bad. Come up with real arguments instead of filling the comment section with this garbage.

[@rocko0214]

@Vale Sauce i'm honestly glad you had such a great experience with the gen 2 games. However, i don't think the man is nitpicking, his points are valid and not just thrown out there just to be edgy, you can tell he has give the topic a good deal of thinking. That's my take on it, at least. I can't pretend that have thought that much about any of the games i've played (did so until gen 4 and just this year been playing gen 5, but not much).

[@Goati_]

I only played gen2 once and with a bug-only team: made the mistake of getting heracross which made it too easy. REALLY enjoyed having ledian as an opener with no attacks and just buffing and baton passing though

[@dekusi1857]

LEDIAN IS A GEN 2 POKEMON ???? HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS ?????????

[@keepitsecret-dl1pr]

lol bug catcher noob

[@retloclive9118]

I'm more annoyed that Heartgold/Soulsilver didn't actually fix some of the more blatant issues that plagued these games. - The horrible low-level curve after Ecruteak City is still there. - Johto gym leaders are still lacking Pokemon from the damn region they're in. - The Johto villain story is still the same boring and simplistic "Team Rocket want their boss back" storyline. - Kanto overall still feels really barren with hardly any additional story or updates to the world setting. HGSS is super overrated.

[@NeoArashi]

AMEN

[@hajobo2003]

no

[@Trevor_NewJerusalem]

Overrated but still better than RBY, GSC, RSE, FRLG, DPP, XY, SWSH and BDSP.

[@retloclive9118]

I actually agree with most of that, but Emerald and Platinum are much better than HGSS by just being the 3rd games that fixed a lot of the issues that plagued RS and DP.

[@Trevor_NewJerusalem]

@@retloclive9118 ORAS is better than HGSS and RSE is better than GSC. I will never see RSE as better than HGSS. Platinum is almost as good as HGSS, but not quite.

[@Nolendo]

Good thing Fletchinder didn’t exist in Gen 2, we didn’t need to see anything named Fletchindr alongside Feraligatr.

[@suchomimustenerensis]

Pokemon Gaia:"Chuckles" I'm in danger

[@apucomeagain3883]

Farfetch'd

[@Enzed_]

@@apucomeagain3883 farfetched fits 10 letters

[@kmav2213]

Knowing gen 2 the evolution would end at Fletchindr. And then Talonflame would be added in gen 4

[@XGame80]

There isn’t an e, it’s farfetch’d

[@megasean3000]

One problem I’ve noticed: *How did Lance get WEAKER since the last time you see him?!*

[@fst-biggie5056]

Well there's not much overall EXP in the gen 2 games so if he was in the 60's or above in Johto it would be unfair I guess

[@stormrhode2330]

@@fst-biggie5056 They could have easily fixed the progression to lead to Lance being stronger. I think they were just being dumb. Haha

[@danb1809]

Bruno too

[@thenotsogreatape933]

bc lance in his first battle in hg/ss has 6 pokemon weak to rock and in the rematch 5 (also just gonna bring up the fact that he has no pokemon from the region up until black and white 2 where he gets a kindra)

[@jpdlpokedigi10]

@@thenotsogreatape933 he has a kingdra on FRLG's rematch

[@timgonzales2891]

The real problem, to me, is hardware limitations. Most of the problems, stem from. Them letting Kanto in also, and as a result, the rest of the game suffered. Oh and the leveling is insanely bad. Like what were they thinking? The champion has a lvl 50 ace dude Jesus. It was 65 in gen 1

[@Alhalmeya]

it’s that low because you have to complete an entirely new region after and the trainers you fight before have a high level of like 40. lances leve 50 deagonite is an equivalent to blues 65 based on the level curves

[@ShadowbannedAccount]

@@Alhalmeya No. Even if the Champion has Level 60 Pokemon, they still can do a lot. Make the Gym Leaders have Level 60-70 Pokemon, then the rematch Champion Level 80, then Red level 95.

[@benshapiroscrustyass1402]

dude, that shit's hilarious. The champion has a team full of dragonite that aren't even high enough level to evolve.

[@CEDL0W]

I mean level 40-40’s is the level the player would be around at that point. Giving him a level 65 dragonite would’ve just made people complain more about grinding.

[@shn4449]

​​​​​​@@benshapiroscrustyass1402that champion's team is so hilariously bad. Dude has _three of the same pokémon_ in order to fill up spots on his team, then three Pokémon that aren't even dragon type. He doesn't even use the only dragon type that was introduced in that gen, because the 8th gym leader already uses a Kingdra as her ace. For some reason they wanted a dragon type gym *and* a dragon type champion in a game where there are only two fully evolved dragon types. This is the result we got. Imagine having *Lance* as a final boss in your game. By far the lamest champion in the series, even compared to Diantha.

[@thatskyphilosopher1936]

Most of Gen 2's problems especially the story and the sense of progression was fixed, made better, and moded by Drayano through Sacred Gold and Storm Silver. It's what Heart Gold and Soul Silver could've been. Even in the Goldenrod event, you get to actually fight Giovanni after defeating the sub-leader in Team Rocket. Drayano also buffs weaker 'mons in his rom hacks and they become useable. That's why I love his rom hacks and this is why the rom hacking community is important: they bring out the best in every previous Pokemon games out there.

[@Castersvarog]

Legit half the reason SGSS is such an amazing rom hack is making the level curve actually good, and making it so you actually can use so many mons. Like it’s clinically insane that the evolution stones were exclusive to postgame, the evolution items as well, and drayano makes that actually usable, even freaking Sunflora is really good now, sunflora

[@DeathlyPhantom]

"Miltank is okay" *Several flashbacks* No,.. It's not okay.

[@Ginraboy]

That cow was the bane of my existence in Pokemon gold. It took me forever to get passed Whitney and her heffer nightmare continually using rollout. I didn't have the guidebook as the game had just came out and got it for Christmas. I was not aware you could trade for a machop until well after I finally beat her

[@whaleping]

@@Ginraboy But that just makes your win more earned

[@vjoe5389]

I just took the cheap way to win by adding Machop to my team.

[@mazeppa1231]

@@Ginraboy Or you could just do sand attacks on it, or get a geodude.. you could even have a Donphan that early in the game (phanpy in route 46, iirc, where the spearows were), and defense curl/rollout her ass with karma. But yeah, I also hated Whitney as a kid, lol.

[@pizzweak580]

Bayleaf with Reflect

[@fortnitesexman]

The ONLY reason the fight against red is "hard" is because he's WAY overleveled compared to everything else in the game

[@lukehennessy2152]

For real. His snorlax has blizzard

[@ElHarmonyV]

You'll be like around level 50-60 after blue then you climb Mt.Silver only to find Red is over level 80.

[@fortnitesexman]

Christian Derek Dela Cruz when I was playing all my pokemon were in their mid 40s except my Lugia who was about 63 So it's safe to say I didn't win the fight against red

[@ElHarmonyV]

@@fortnitesexman Same, I fought Red blind with pokemon near level 60 with Ho-oh at 60+ and Pikachu just Volt tackled my Ho-oh and swept my team.

[@fortnitesexman]

Christian Derek Dela Cruz then I grinned my ho-oh up to level 70+ and absolutely raped his whole team Imagine if I was the same level as him! Seriously pokemon games are way too easy if you have any semblance of thought out into your actions Personally I prefer playing the kaizo versions of pokemon games Emerald kaizo and blue kaizo were one of the best gaming experiences I've had

[@zeroderorero3948]

I have a friend that keeps saying "Gen 2 has the best post-game, they somehow managed to add 2 whole regions for you to explore" when in reality the reason they managed to add Kanto was because Johto was so barebones in innovation that they had to fill the rest of the cartridge with a copy paste

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

This. Some companies should learn that selling a game just for the technology is a terrible idea.

[@heybaeuwb8888]

Back then when it came out. Gen 2 was amazing and so much fun to play and it was the right move. It brought to the fans what they wanted and then they were able to branch out more in Gen 3 with the revenue it brought them.

[@DemonLordRaiden]

@@heybaeuwb8888 Gen 2 was definitely not amazing when it came out. Even as a kid it was obviously just re-hashing Gen 1 but worse.

[@jprec5174]

@@DemonLordRaidensaid no one. Everyone loved gold/silver when it came out. It was literally a bigger/better red and blue

[@DemonLordRaiden]

@@jprec5174 Damn, it's crazy that your anecdotal experience doesn't speak for everyone. Definitely untrue that "everyone" liked G/S on release. It was a bigger Gen. 1, but so much of it was just re-hashed with worse scaling. I could see loving it if you hadn't played any other RPG though.

[@jjsponge1202]

Looking back, I never realized how this generation was pretty much held back to due to relying too much on nostalgia. Most of the Gen 2 Pokemon felt like junk rares and are overshadowed by those from Gen 1. It's pretty much why Game Freak almost wiped the slate clean when developing Ruby and Sapphire.

[@keepitsecret-dl1pr]

it wasn't "held back", it was one of the bestselling games of the time... most players were just casual and had actual lives outside of the game, not like you loser nerds of today who obsess over Pokémon like it's your freaking religion

[@pa7764]

About wiping the slate clean, I think that's mostly because gen 1 and 2 had too many bugs, you could spawn Mew with glitches and duplicate items too easily. They had to prevent transfers from gen 2. Funny how a duplication glitch slipped through the cracks anyway in Emerald, so we can dupe pokemon one at a time, or as many items as your total number of pokemon in PC at a time, so we still have infinite master balls shippable to all future gens. But at least we can't just perform a glitch to spawn any pokemon we want - just a shame they never found a way to prevent rom hacks from doing exactly that.

[@cartooncritic7045]

@@keepitsecret-dl1prWe in the business call statements like this “copium.”

[@abaddon1503]

@@keepitsecret-dl1pr You are aware sales don’t equal good right? Pokémon Scarlet and Violet are broken to high heaven but they sold really well. Mario All Stars was lambasted for their “limited release” practice, but that sold. Persona games consistently get updated versions years later but those vanilla versions still sold. Hell, look at the anime arena fighters everyone agrees is bad, the only flop was Jump Force.

[@Philip_Recchia]

My heart: HOW THE HELL CAN HE SAY THESE THINGS My brain: He do be kinda right tho

[@goten3268]

do you mean you're... heart gold *runs fast enough to get away*

[@syahimsuhaimi7436]

my soul silver just exited my body reading this comment

[@FullMetalMaster]

But also I think it's kind of a bad take like if you want to talk about bad progression X and Y tho exp makes u to high and with out makes u to low

[@thefiendish186]

Thats the same I felt listening to this. First, instantly donvoted, second, at least took away the downvote. I mean, even if its nostalgia only, I have really fun memorys of this gen. And on the boring side, I think so many of the new Pokemon have such a boring and/or stupid design, no matter how usefull they may be, I just cant take it seriously. But I totaly see his points.

[@STNJ_YT]

Is that how your brain speaks? Unfortunate

[@ChuuniKaede]

The non-linearity can be easily solved with Gym teams being dynamic based on progression.

[@michaellibretto4251]

Wanted to say this. Like in Crystal Clear!

[@SkyNinja759]

Wasn't there a nod in Pokemon Generations that gym leaders would tailor their teams to your badge progress? It makes sense because not everyone starts their journey in the "starting" town. So having a open ended pokemon game would be really cool. Sword and Shield could have been open ended and dumped a tonne of pokemon into it. Instead they neutered the dex and we got a shell of a game. Don't get me wrong, Pokemon is still a good series. You have to admit though, it can be so much better if Gamefreak put more love and care into the game.

[@johnwest6690]

@@michaellibretto4251 I'd like to see him review crystal clear, if the Dev wasn't such a prick.

[@iancypes5911]

I feel like dynamic gym teams will be a gen 18 feature knowing Game Freak, although Isle of Armor is slightly dynamic if you were to buy the entire game now

[@tanningbed]

@@SkyNinja759 gym leaders having multiple teams for different opponents has been canon since Sinnoh. On the postgame island, there is a restaurant where you can rematch gym leaders with increasing pokemon levels.

[@shadenym5094]

I’ll always have a special place for gen 2 in my heart but your commentary was dead on. There’s a reason I ended up only leveling like 4 or 5 Pokémon in my playthroughs lol

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

I only use one or two, is way more easily, and the rest are just target dolls (for having a free turn for a potion or something). One is the starter and the other tries to have as much as varied attacks as possible to give the starter type coverage.

[@cftvdata]

To be fair, gen 2 had some really cool Pokémon designs - Umbreon, Typhlosion, Mantine, Tyranitar, Lugia, Suicune, Ampharos, Azumarill, Totodile, just to name a few - it's just that most of the Pokemon's stats and movepools simply render them unusable, sadly. From a design perspective, I think the Pokémon introduced in G2 easily clear any of the generations after 4, and you could definitely argue that it tops G4 as well. This is why I love doing G2 ultra randomizers - every Pokémon's base stat total/distribution, typing, and move pools are completely random, meaning lots of normally useless Pokémon become really strong, and vice-versa. In my last playthrough, I ended up with a core team of Azumarill, Togetic and Lanturn, all of which were about as powerful as typical Mythicals.

[@SpaceMan101South]

I played through all the pokemon games as a child, and I always wondered why I could never remember gen 2 very well. This video reminded me why. None of the mons interested me, and according to my GameBoy that I had to dig under my bed for, I only got to the third gym badge and gave up playing.

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

Literally for a long LONG time i only remembered Goldenrod City which is probably one of my favorite places in the Pokemon series alongside Pokemon Square and Route 120 (Emerald), but thats it. The rest i struggle to remember because there is nothing interesting that is going for it.

[@AlphaDal-if9vv]

Damn 😄. I played gen 1, skipped 2, and went straight to 3. Never played a johto game till hgss/3ds virtual counsel. Didn't really feel like missed out on the johto games.

[@graffitiszn]

​@@AlphaDal-if9vvI still went back to play them and didn't feel like I missed out on anything special

[@hardyjoe4278]

Did you laugh when two of the gym leaders refused to hand over their badges directly after losing? One was Whitney, and the other being Claire.

[@Pacman-9312]

Both happen to be women. I wonder what game freak was trying to say? lol

[@stellarknight04]

@@Pacman-9312 Whitney is a Child Claire is a karen

[@hardyjoe4278]

@@Pacman-9312 There was a video I saw, where someone already had a Dragon Fang. Claire still sent them to the Dragon's Den, to retrieve the dragon's fang. There was some dialog where she notices that the dragon fang, isn't the one from the dragon's den.

[@O.D25]

@@stellarknight04 which is strange, because Gen 2 even has an Elite 4 named Karen who is for some reason one of the coolest characters in the game

[@stellarknight04]

@@O.D25 Well tbh I like both Claire and Karen, idk why but they're the most badass lol

[@catskills8553]

Wow, all the time my friends and I spent arguing about Typhlosion vs Charizard seems silly now

[@captainspartan04]

Yeah it’s really sad. Typhlosion is like literally taking care of your drunk clingy friend while you sober. You literally have to cater it

[@gainer448]

gl with stealth rock lmao

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

If we go by looks I'll say Typhlosion all the way, and we both know all the arguing with friends was just an attempt at sounding smarter than simply admitting you picked them because they look cooler. Charizard's a fatass even if he still looks like he could easily squeeze my head into juice, I hate that kind of dragon design.

[@kohinoorbanerjee4009]

Charizard does have an extra typing, hence extra moves, extra advantages and one immunity, but also few more weaknesses

[@sezioneaurea4548]

Fun fact : Typhlosion's Stats are literally the same as Charizard's

[@robertmines5577]

One option would be to give each gym leader 8 unique teams so that they would scale appropriately regardless of which order you battle them in. Canonically, we know that each gym leader matches the level of their pokemon to something appropriate for the challenger (at least according to the anime). Obviously, this wasn't feasible for this game with the technology at the time (I suppose)

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

Is not impossible, literally is as easy as making a checklist. Besides, level scaling is not the only way to solve the problem. Just do it like Gen 1. Try to predict more or less the levels of the Pokemons the players would have at that point. Gen 2 doesnt even do this right.

[@Ajehy]

The biggest problem is the internal battery used for the day/night system, which stopped working after a few years. Now I can’t pick up my silver cartridge and play again without an emulator. EDIT: also, I was six when G/S came out, so I mostly remember the anime, being excited to get Togepi, and my folks telling me not to stay up too late trying to catch HootHoot (I love owls).

[@StatusQuonald]

Replace the battery 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

@@StatusQuonald Or just i can reemplace the game for something much better, like Emerald.

[@StatusQuonald]

@@sebastianaliandkulche not an option. I've tried Emerald. No nostalgia means no fun for me 😅

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

@@StatusQuonald Ok...

[@SMCwasTaken]

@@StatusQuonald Emerald is great even without Nostalgia, i played it recently the OST slaps harder than Gen 5

[@KingOfSkill]

It pains me that I absolutely love Gen 2 and agree with everything in this video.

[@PoipoleBoi]

Holy shit it's the king himself!! :O

[@mcihele]

I guess they had to DO IT AGAIN but better with heart gold and soul silver

[@yurifurtado1955]

Same...

[@LordSteeleCastleClashPsteele68]

I grew up loving gen 2 tried to play it recently and couldn't stand playing without speed up

[@aweirdo259]

@@mcihele hgss still didn't fix a lot of the flaws gsc had

[@fulgenzio89]

The fact that you don’t see a single Tyranitar (the strongest non legendary new Pokémon) in the whole game really says it all. I didn’t even know it existed for months 😰

[@otakotako2601]

bruh i legitimately thought for the longest time it's a kanto mon bc i never found it anywhere on GSC, but i could easily found it on FRLG

[@grunkleg.3110]

Wait, are you serious about that? You'd think Red or Blue would have one (Blue does get a Tyranitar later on in FRLG and HGSS rematches, funnily enough)

[@irui7087]

I thought it was a gen 4 mon for the longest time and I had no idea why

[@tonymccurry8621]

I know the feeling. I played Gen 3 more than I did 1 or 2, so I didn’t know that some of the Pokémon existed that early on. Legit thought that Skarmory was a gen 3 Pokémon and that Murkrow was a gen 4.

[@SinTense643]

@@irui7087 same but with gen 3

[@JayRedGear]

You've expressed my frustration with this generation of Pokemon. Johto feels so incomplete with a lackluster story (I gotta ask what even was the point of Lugia and Ho-oh being here?) and very little representation of the region because many of the Pokemon introduced in this generation don't appear until the late game or are in Kanto.

[@keepitsecret-dl1pr]

bro it was literally the second gen ever... the fact that they fit Johto and Kanto on one cartridge was a feat of engineering. If it wasn't for the success of this and Gen 1, you wouldn't have the franchise you love today. Kindly pipe down and stop nitpicking.

[@JayRedGear]

@@keepitsecret-dl1pr People are allowed to voice their complaints so kindly pipe down yourself.

[@pizzweak580]

​@keepitsecret-dl1pr Oh look, another "if it wasn't for x we wouldn't have y" argument. Pretty sure we would still have Pokemon even without the gen 2 games considering the fact that Pokemon was already insanely popular when it released. Kindly shut your mouth

[@thatnerdyouseeeverywhere7536]

@@keepitsecret-dl1pr Honestly I’d rather have an actual Johto region than a soulless husk of both Kanto and Johto. The existence of Kanto is a cancer to the GSC games. Neat technical feat but that doesn’t equate to good game design bozo

[@PMar797]

This comment section proves that gen 2 fanboys are worse than "genwunners." Pretty funny to see them dismiss any criticism the games rightfully deserves and comment insults lol

[@yesrr5201]

True 💀

[@redviolet5158]

Watching somebody dunk on Gen 2 is strangely cathartic, because I always feel like it has a lot of issues nobody talks about. The level curve in particular is enough to make me get bored halfway through any given playthrough.

[@BarnyWaterg8]

Red Violet I mean I think everybody talks about these very obvious problems in gen2/4. I think something the Pokémon base doesn’t talk about is this very obvious dip in quality between generations. Makes me wonder why PMC is afraid/refuses to truly put the effort in to making a truly great generation of Pokémon that deviates from the general formula that they have while maintaining the spirit of the game.

[@PhoenixBlazer39]

@@BarnyWaterg8 To be fair, they _did_ try to innovate once. It was Black and White. Whole new region, complete new PokeDex, an actual attempt at proper storytelling, animated sprites, injected difficulty, and a massive boost to what multiplayer was capable of. Problem was twofold. 1. It admittedly wasn't executed as well as it could have, and 2. Fuckin' _everyone_ hated on it within a few months of its release. We bashed the new Mons, criticized the sprites, lambasted the region. Everyone was clamoring for a return to form, and that was the thing. This was genuine innovation, but it went grossly unappreciated and the fandom cried out for the past, in an ironic twist. B2W2 remedied damn near every issue with Unova, built upon the first game, and all without being a cash grab third version. All biases aside, in terms of quantity and quality, B2W2 is up there in the S-tier of Pokemon titles. Unfortunately, it all went down from there. Gen 6 was focused too much on bringing in newbs and pandering to Kanto. Gen 7 was interesting, but really was a bit of a mess in retrospect. Gen 8 is unfocused and rather mediocre. Sure, the direction they took shows a change in their objective (bring in newbs, pander the game to casuals, and improve competitive). While these aren't bad things, it's really rather all over the place. Pokemon really does need to bring back the difficulty option from B2W2. That said, I can't help but think that the original reception to Gen 5 burned Game Freak away from trying to innovate something truly new. TL;DR: Blame the fans' (including me) original reception to Gen 5.

[@woollychannel6759]

This. Even the gym leader’s Pokemon were weak and had very poor move sets. There are people who bash the newer games for being too easy whilst at the same time praise gen 2 as their favourite gen. It’s all nostalgia.

[@andrewi.crocker8675]

@@PhoenixBlazer39 Gen 5 is one of my favorite generations to this day, and I've loved it since it first came out. However, it did mark the peak of my interest for these games, and while I play the new games, I have not purchased multiple versions of the same generation since then. Maybe this was the height for me and everything else was downhill. Alola was kinda interesting tho, but kinda lost me in the post game.

[@andrewi.crocker8675]

@@woollychannel6759 Example of how new Pokemon games hold your hand and think we are dumb babies: In Gen 1 you have the option to catch level 30 snorlax, which is the highest level wild pokemon encounter up until that point. Much later in the game, near Fushia you are given a level 15 Lapras. X&Y reverse this, making the Snorlax you have to catch only level 15, while the Lapras that is given to you is level 30. Also, when you get the ability to megaevolve, they IMMEDIATELY give you a lucario with the mega stone. Gen 6 feels almost insulting in how easy it is.

[@hiddenhasuta]

Wow I learned something new today. I never knew that slugma was gen 2. I always thought he was 3 wtf

[@idontcheckmynotifications]

I thought Skarmory was a gen 3 mon until gen 6 lmao A bunch of gen 2 mons I've heard people say this about. "Honorary gen 3" gang

[@MagillanicaLouM]

I've been struggling with remembering this since I was 7, I'm 22 rn lol

[@MagillanicaLouM]

@@idontcheckmynotifications Yeah skarmory is another along with misdreavus and sneasel for me

[@CreamIce]

Same, slugma and skarmory looks like a gen 3 pokemon for me. I only realized after playing pokemon gold lol

[@brentrobinson3275]

Your not along

[@SneakyTurtle710]

There was nothing worse as a kid finally getting to Red with level 40-45 pokemon, only to realize his team is like 75. Then realizing the only way to grind is on like level 30 mons or the Elite 4. I never actually beat Red. Even as I kid, I would just get to the Elite 4 and start over cause the level curve problem was so frustrating to me.

[@insertnamehere2746]

Skill issue. You don't need to match Reds pokemon level to beat him. Literally git gud kid

[@thatnerdyouseeeverywhere7536]

@@insertnamehere2746You’re actually kidding me. Bro there’s a reason leveling exists in RPGs. Am I saying beating Red with level 50s-60s is impossible? No. But you need the numbers to not be instantly mauled by him. And the shitty game design means that everyone is so weak that they won’t give you the EXP you need. All the Kanto idiots have Mons in the LV 50 range and Blue’s Ace is 60 something. And all the wild Pokémon are like level 30. Of course you can create a strategy to beat him but OP was literally a child at that time. You’re saying “git gud” to basically a kid version of someone who just wanted a fun adventure. Hope it makes you feel like a big tough guy.

[@insertnamehere2746]

@@thatnerdyouseeeverywhere7536 Git gud kid

[@ephemeralbro]

​@@insertnamehere2746average braindead pokemon fan

[@jprec5174]

@@thatnerdyouseeeverywhere7536all of the complaints ive been reading about gen 2 is because the game is more non linear than the rest and required you to explore and grind when you hit kanto. If you had problems with red then just get your friend to help you trade over your mewtwo from your blue save. That's how pokemon games were designed back then.

[@hoxilicious]

I don't think the game opening up once you reach Morty would have been so bad if the levels in Ice Path/Blackthorn had been high enough to account for the fact that you're completing three separate questlines before that. Chuck/Morty/Jasmine/Pryce being roughly the same level doesn't bother me very much, and Clair's levels are also fine, but every trainer battle outside of her gym leading right up to the Elite Four is like, Level 20-30, with maybe one or two exceptions. I honestly don't know what they were thinking.

[@Demonslay335]

"Weeeeeell, you can go to Kanto" is all I ever wanted as a ~10yr old. It blew my damn mind at the time.

[@Rude_Boi]

same.. _when you thought you finished the game only to discover you can go to Kanto._ I was blown away.

[@sun332s7]

@@Rude_Boi too bad it was a one hit wonder

[@Rude_Boi]

@@sun332s7 nah it was a _two hit wonder_ 😂

[@johnapple6646]

The problem is the trick wears off when you get older, I guess

[@shades3692]

Bra same

[@Gjefferey]

Fun fact: You wanna use ampharos in gen2 right, that line isn't even in Crystal AT ALL

[@90Rush]

@Nick Cruz In GSC Ampharos can simply use Thunderpunch which is not physical yet. Very easy access to elemental punches is one of the good things of GSC if you want to do a short and quick playthrough of gen 2.

[@pokedexholderorange8868]

Yes but you don’t really need thunderbolt when it can just use thunder punch or discharge instead

[@nervto2398]

Now let’s see when did the physical special split happen again?

[@pokedexholderorange8868]

@@nervto2398 Gen 3, so in Gen 2 you use the special thunderpunch and in Gen 4, since thunderpunch is now physical, you use discharge instead

[@neoscity3533]

@@pokedexholderorange8868 gen 4 was the physical special split not gen 3 (if that was a typo then nevermind)

[@wellsclassof2017]

I would say you are 100% correct about gen 2. But I also have more to add to your list and that is the personality of 2 gym leaders, Whitney and Claire. Why is one a crybaby and the other a sore loser? Whitney is arguably hard at the stage she is at and when you do finally beat her she cries and calls you a meanie for beating her. Claire for unkown reasons (or reasons I can't remember) doesn't give you a badge despite you beating her fair and square. As a gym leader you're supposed to test trainers on their skill not beat them everytime.

[@theloganator5738]

Also! Grass types really got shafted in this gen because there're hardly any fights that a grass type would be useful in. The only pokemon is Chuck's Poliwrath

[@filipborch-solem1354]

“Iconic TRASH” literal LMAO

[@devora4809]

Lmao

[@HyouVizer]

so.....Xenoblade 2 basically

[@nertmagert3231]

I understand why people hate on my boi Sunkern, but that mofo has saved a nuzlocke in black and white two for me, and solo'd the poison gym. I am the only person alive that know's the power of sunkern/sunflora.

[@axlr8deathpls294]

@@nertmagert3231 No I understand the power of sunflora because she's one of the best explorers in our guild

[@nertmagert3231]

@@axlr8deathpls294 Straight facts

[@_Fuscous]

I feel like with Unown they could've done a wishiwashi type of thing. In the movie it showed how when tons of Unown came together they could do amazing things, and they could've done that with the games.

[@baszko6152]

one could hope that one day thet will do something about it.

[@pikarick8354]

Imagine if they made it that when you collected all the unowns then they would all fuse and turn into an epic legendary pokemon

[@tigamaki1345]

​@@pikarick8354 I mean, in keeping with the movie, rather than Entei being a roaming legendary, if you got enough Unown, there should have been milestones where you got each of the 3 dogs. Imagine how cool it would feel, if you caught another letter of Unown, and you see a mini cutscene where they all swarm around and Entei comes forth

[@Gabeatron9002]

I was thinking about what if they did some special moves that are unown only. like letters appear saying "BOOST", before they all glow and boost one of your stats. or letters appear saying "ATTACK", before they ram into the opponent's pokemon, damaging them. Mega could even be a glowing version of your unown surrounded by all 28 versions of unown, spinning around them or something like that. So much wasted potential with them

[@austini.5262]

That could actually make them competitive hopefully

[@Lopogoesmega]

The charizard typhlosion comparison was genius. I never knew this haha

[@Megadaxo]

I’m playing Johto for the first time right now in HGSS and my biggest issue is this: why the fuck did they make headbutting trees such a major mechanic for finding Pokémon when there is only like 6 Pokémon total in the game that can learn headbutt by level up and you don’t get the tm until RIGHT BEFORE or IN Goldenrod. This causes another issue because Whitney is weak to fighting but the only fighting types accessible before goldenrod is machop (through trade) or heracross (through headbutt)

[@jordanmoss6488]

There’s a tutor early in the game

[@gundispaberzs2281]

​@jordanmoss6488, which is right before goldenrod

[@MichaelCravith]

This is why I loved Black/White 2. They did the whole "reexplore the old region" bit but actually scaled it, so you're on early routes from the previous games that have level 50s wild Pokemon and trainers who you aren't breezing through.

[@ThePixelPreneur_]

@Nick Cruz But all the pokemon you find in kanto are still only in their 20's. Meaning your forced to only use the pokemon you used in johto on the trainers if you want to have any chance of being anywhere near blue or red.

[@ThePixelPreneur_]

@Nick Cruz The reason you say you only need 4 is because you never intended to use an HM slave in battle. and thats because of the atrocious level curve in Johto. it's just easier to use 4 pokemon instead of 6. Especially considering the fact they can be 2 free revives/pivots for any battle since you dont care for them. The level curve in Johto is the reason why HM slaves are a thing in the first place.

[@kmav2213]

Yeah it’s good game design but I can’t help but laugh at the fact that preschoolers have higher levels than the champion. The logic isn’t there but at least the level curve isn’t garbage

[@largenaq2935]

@@kmav2213 Iris in the rematch is one of the highest level trainers in the game so it makes sense in that regard

[@FlowUrbanFlow]

Isn't that similar to Johto though? Once you get to Kanto, route 1 has much higher level Pokemon than in Gen 1

[@TheEtherswornKing21]

Here I am, a year later, still laughing my arse off at the Charizard/Typhlosion line comparison. That shit gets me EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

[@BriansMe]

That’s not even that funny it’s just sad, what’s wrong with you?

[@corneliastreet2491]

Nah, it’s funny. People cutting corners and getting called out on it is funny

[@Vincrand]

Look at blastoise and meganium stats.

[@KrispyKrabby]

I still come back to this video every once in a whole to get a good laugh too lmfao

[@yowatchie]

Eh, it’s just a "nerd shit" type problem. Almost everyone playing the game for the first time did not know or care. The Typhlosion line (alone with the all the Johto starters) is fucking dope.

[@amphibiansriseup596]

The fact that Houndoom and Tyranitar aren’t even accessible til the post game always rubbed me the wrong way. Why are the Pokemon native to Johto, not in fucking Johto?

[@MarbyLarby]

Gen 2 Johto is equivalent to like a DLC

[@dionfilippini8482]

Man I REALLY felt that "Starter, Ampharos, Shiny Gyarados" call out at 7:30. Dude just described every Gen 2 team I ever built. Love Gen 2 but this is so true.

[@ckb1137]

weird, I've never actually used an ampharos nor the gyarados. And I only used the starter in like 30% of my playthroughs. But then I'm weird and usually hold out to use a tyranitar for my sixth spot despite it taking literally the entire game to get there.

[@ericschnautz6603]

The team I used to beat Red: 1. Typhlosion 2. 3. 4. 5. 6.

[@user-pp6pr5fg8w]

And an Espeon/Umbreon, because you can't even find evolution stones without getting calls

[@eri9406]

My first team was only Typhlosion,A sentret and the Shiny Gyarados.I never picked Ampharos even tho I like it

[@CEOofAutism]

@@user-pp6pr5fg8w it’s not hard to get calls if you know about them

[@thenotsogreatape933]

The fact that the champion has no Pokémon introduced from the generation ...

[@newergamer7974]

Wait a second how do I recognize this first now And O.O

[@roccopiosaracino3681]

Thank god the champion from gen 8 doesn't have a gen 1 pokemon as their ace

[@thenotsogreatape933]

@@roccopiosaracino3681 at least he has 1 gen 8 Pokémon and diantha a gardevoir as her ace is to show off the new mechanic

[@roccopiosaracino3681]

@@thenotsogreatape933 on that page, why the fuck does no normally obtainable gen 6 pokemon get a mega

[@thenotsogreatape933]

@@roccopiosaracino3681 that idk I feel like it was more for either popular or really bad Pokémon in older generations that were starting to get overshadowed by newer ones

[@murphthasmurf5923]

I thought I was insane for years thinking gen 2 was mega ass

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

At least for years in my case i always though i was doing something wrong with the game, like it had a secret option that upgrades significantly the game experience or a difficulty selection (like Doom), but nope. The piss ass fanbase just trick me and now i would never pay more attention to those momma boys.

[@jaycob1830]

kanto was literally supposed to be like a single city in the beta of gold and silver, if that doesnt scream rushed idk what does

[@vakral9997]

This is the hardest part about playing older games. Everytime I start playing through, I start thinking I want to do something different than I usually do, use a different Pokemon from a different route. Then as you start leveling them up, you realize how awfully weak they are compared to your starter or the normal standard Pokemon used in playthroughs and their movesets blow. ROM hacks are definitely the way to go with a lot of these older games because they generally fix a lot of the mundane experiences you have playing through the vanilla games and offer more a unique experience from playthrough to playthrough.

[@agonleed3841]

gotta play the game as it was actually meant to be played. Not to beat. But to catch them all. That was honestly the theme for the cartoon that kept playing in my head even when playing the game. So...trainers and all that was secondary. I went to fight trainers after I caught a few pokemon. Then switched them around to level them up. and when I went to another area, I restarted that whole routine. And the thing is...there wasn't THAT much to do back then compared to now..so while that seems boring and tedious to do now, that is based on the fact we KNOW that there are more options to do now. Ingame or out in the real world..or more into other virtual worlds. But gen2 was made in a time where the game in front of you was a big piece of your small options in virtual worlds. So..you spend so much time. Try to get a male and female version of each pokemon. try to use one type with certain moves and another of the same type, with yet different moves. Can't do much different with supermario 3 either, but if you go back to that mindset...you still have fun. Can't play the games of yesteryears with tomorrowyear's mindset. gotta just enjoy yesteryear's mindset

[@joobtheboob]

@@agonleed3841 or.... We play a rom hack!

[@agonleed3841]

@@joobtheboob lol or do that, yes lol

[@iBloodxHunter]

Git gud

[@itzrefah4037]

i think the “nonlinear” problem could’ve been solved by adjusting gym leader levels and maybe adding a pokemon or two to their teams based off the order you fight them

[@weridplusho]

They'd need some kind of AI check and separate code depending on what you choose. With how crammed in everything was, I highly doubt they could have fit it in for Gen 2. Gen 4, however. There was no excuse to make massive improvements and they just... didn't.

[@poliorice3600]

There's actually a rom hack that does just that, you can fight any gym leader in any order, and trainers and gym leaders get stronger and get new teams with each badge you get

[@soggywater7271]

@@poliorice3600 crystal clear right? I like crystal clear, but they didnt get to fully add modern features like physical special split because they want it to be compatible with the pokemon stadium games which I find really niche

[@poliorice3600]

@@soggywater7271 honestly one of the only two things wrong with it, old gen mechanics, and limited to gen 1 and 2 pokemon

[@ghengiroo4143]

@@soggywater7271 My biggest issue with Crystal Clear personally was how quickly the levels seemed to increase after every gym. Maybe I did something wrong but I would always be like 10 levels under the bosses. Probably because there were no Rocket events which gives out a decent amount of EXP.

[@reillywalker195]

I started with Gen II and went back to Gen I. Kanto without the Pewter Museum, the Safari Zone, Cerulean Cave, the legendary birds, and the Seafoam Islands cave is...sad and dull. If Kanto was going to be in Gen II, it should've been fully fleshed out like it was in Gen I. Also, why can't elemental stones be purchased? After the sidequest with Bill's grandfather at Cerulean Cape, the department stores in Goldenrod and Celadon should've started selling the stones so as to give you a reason _not_ to trade Pokémon back to Gen I to use stones on them.

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

You decided to speak nothing but facts. Yeah, Kanto sometimes feel like a prototype in Gen 2 (even the pre release of Gen 1 Kanto was probably more complete).

[@oliverorchard6774]

Definitely the biggest insult of the game is the stats for a majority of the gen 2 pokemon (except for baby pokemon as their weak stats actually make sense), and any of the gen 2 pokemon that actually had good stats were mostly only obtainable post game, which is just silly.

[@emotionalkryptonite1161]

Gen 2 is like the second head attached to weezing

[@ghengiroo4143]

This is the best comment

[@peachiequeen3897]

That is painfully accurate

[@nelmasster]

I always said Jotho is like a parasite living on Kanto. Something like this comment.

[@alfredgomez3128]

Every other Gen's a Magneton, they complement the original Pokemon they're copying off of.

[@toxictrashcan5013]

yowWWWWW lmaooo

[@rockinrootbeer1795]

3:45 "Sunkern, iconic trash!" What an honor that must be. An honor the YT Comments share.

[@stealthysnails]

I really love the comparisons between the non linear path here in Kanto and the complete open world for Scarlet and Violet. Like they took the opposite path with having a predetermined level for each gym which may or may not be too high and you only know once you get there and lose the battle (or look it up but that defeats the purpose). I really hope they find a clever solution inbetween these two. Whether that be having dialogue between the rival and the player about what level they are and giving statements to say they can take on the gym or creating 8 different teams for each gym leader... Lot more work but then they can have a level flow between them

[@MadaraUchihaSecondRikudo]

They already put it in the canon that gyms adapt to the levels of the challengers, just make the teams scale with the number of badges, then you can challenge them in any order.

[@schikey2076]

i feel like they would have more time solving this issue if they actually don't develop Legends Arceus and have all of their staff members focus on Scarlet / Violet... their 168 staff members were spread so thin on two ambitious titles that ended up having both games half baked.

[@supremeking1730]

Honestly, you make very solid points, so let me add one more: Gamefreak royally f*cked up with the dark types in gen 2. Literally all of them except Umbreon are locked in post game locations, except for Sneasel if you're playing Crystal, but as you said, Sneasel is screwed in the early gens because its stats are meant for a physical attacker and both of its stab types are special in gen 2. Houndoom has pretty good stats and is one of the better gen 2 pokemon, and what do they do? Make unattainable in Johto. Houndour could've easily been an encounter in the Burned Tower or something, and it would be really good in playthroughs.

[@zLucci.]

This game would've been really good if exp gains were actually decent, you find trainers with level 20s when you have 15 badges.

[@giraffedragon6110]

Exp in this game can CERTAINLY be a slog. It is more grind worthy compared to later games, and it taught me to make efforts to use more than 6 Pokémon. I don’t think there was a single Pokémon I didn’t swap out the box for at some point or another until like Clair. And even then it was only like Skarmory and Quagsire for a bit. I made sure to level up my team and I went to and revisited EVERY area. I am so glad I did. Some of the best Pokémon I got were on repeat visits to old areas.

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

RPGs are like a quimic formula. Screw up one number and you can change the entire thing. The developers should pay attention to all things to make the game balance. It doesnt seem to be the case with Gen 2.

[@weopkasdkopasdpkasdkl8065]

"Ampharos is on everyone's team, great pokemon" except for like 10 year old me who only had crystal version and no trade cable. How is Ampharos not available in Pokemon crystal when it was in both gold version and silver version with nothing anywhere near as good available as a replacement for it. What my 10 year old self did is I ended up buying the Thunder Punch TM and then seeing what pokemon I had that could learn it. I saw that typhlosion could so Typhlosion ended up being my electric type pokemon even though he isn't an electric type...

[@dse763]

Wait, no Ampharos in Crystal ? [Check on Bulbapedia if Mareep is available in Crystal] [It doesn't] God, it's Raichu all over again !

[@grunkleg.3110]

Emerald tried similar stuff with Roselia, Medicham, and the version exclusive Zangoose and Lunatone, and Platinum just got rid of every DP version exclusive, save for the fossils, who are now based on Trainer ID. None of these sting nearly as much as Ampharos's removal though. I don't know why they would just get rid of one of the few good Pokemon in the entire game, except maybe to incentivise trading

[@NapkinDictator]

Typlosion being able to use thunder punch is the coolest thing they can do and that's mostly it lol

[@NightmareSnake]

Thunderpunch on Gen 2 Typhlosion is awesome though. He gets a lot of use out of it because it's a special move in that generation.

[@andrescifuentes7089]

Yeah, electric types didn't get much love in that gen, that was pretty sad. And when you see that the champion has a Gyarados on his team it gets even worse.

[@kekeliakpabli4568]

There's this concept from fanfiction where the gym leaders use different pokemon and teams depending on how many badges you have. That could have solved the pacing problem so well. Like if you fight the same gym leader with three badges they use relatively low levelled and weaker pokemon, but if you have like six badges they'll use pokemon that are stronger like pseudo legendary and final stage pokemon. Also like the thing from breath of the wild where the monsters got stronger as you progress through the game you could make the grass pokemon stronger the more badges you have.

[@kekkomoshenji7966]

Hot take: Gen 2 is Gen 1 dlc

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

It really it is. People just dont want to admit it.

[@adswers6900]

@@sebastianaliandkulche xD gen 1 is a broken mess. you dont even need to want to break the game and the game breaks. gen 2 is the most defining pokemon generation. you have no idea of what you are talking about

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

@@adswers6900 If you want to talk in a nutshell then Gen 2 is also broken. I could mention a lot of examples that rival Gen 1 strongest glitches.

[@adswers6900]

@@sebastianaliandkulche come on try xD besides that gen 2 fixed all of them. what glitches do you want to enlighten me of ? xDxDxD

[@adswers6900]

@@sebastianaliandkulche i know you are a gen 3 fangirl. gen 3 is far more broken than gen 2. ok the NA gen 2 version has the coincase glitch. i give you that. every gen 3 has the pomeg glitch. ace is pretty much the most broken thing in a game. you have 0 idea of what you are talking about. and dont even start with broken mechanics. because of gen 3s broken contact rules, gen 4 had to do the physical special split.

[@Feragore]

"Everyone has a starter, Ampharos and shiny Gyarados". I played Gold YEARS ago all the way, beat Red and I'm blown away about how accurate that is. I literally only remember those as my roster (And Gyarados took until he said 'go east for red gyarados'). And I suppose Ho-oh in end-game despite already having a fire type.

[@hawktalon7890]

As a kid I straight-up only used Gyarados. Tried meshing other Pokemon with my team and it just didn't work out, so Gyarados solo run it was.

[@arielabraham6683]

LOL I ohko’d my shiny gyarados with a crit from luxray, I totally forgot type advantages for a moment there. I also hadn’t saved in 5 hours of playing, so just accepted my fate

[@kartermanthey7796]

@@arielabraham6683 a luxray..?

[@arielabraham6683]

@@kartermanthey7796 traded it from my pokemon pearl copy

[@ItsDaKoolaidDude]

Had the starter, suicune and blissey on the team. Didn't use ampharos or gyarados. So what was that about "everyone"?

[@pugdad2555]

They could give Unkown a similar ability to wishiwashi as its hidden ability. So it gathers all the Unknown until it goes under 25% HP

[@comradered8125]

the combination shldve beeen the Unown forms of U,N,O,W,N or something like A,R,C,E,U,S

[@NapkinDictator]

Another cool thing is to give each unown access to all moves that start with their letter. It'd be silly but fun! The S unown could learn Surf, Slash, etc

[@mustabindawind]

Call it alphabet soup

[@Kaijudomage]

@@mustabindawind Without the soup :P

[@sephikong8323]

>Has 150 in all stats when in this form >looks mighty memacing >probably best Pokemon ever >still can only use Hidden Power >is useless in every tier

[@Megazofroad21]

Gen 1 and 3 are miles ahead in every aspect (actual pokemon, world design, story).

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

Someone finally decided to speak the truth.

[@Lionis]

Ecruteak carries Johto’s design

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

​@@Lionis I personally also really like Goldenrod City. It is perhaps the city with the greatest amount of conveniences for the player in the series and the music is beautiful.

[@Lionis]

yeah this one too is really nice

[@kosmos5177]

I audibly gasped when you showed Typh/Charizard stat lines... no fucking way. That's garbage.

[@XGame80]

“So these are the last Pokémon games, Gold and Sliver?” “Yes, they are.” “I guess the only ghost type Pokémon are Gastly, Haunter, and Gengar, right?” “No, there’s Misdreavus too.” “What? Where can you find it?” “You can only find it on Mount Silver.” “That’s a bit strange for a new ghost type only being found in Kanto after you get all 16 gym badges, but I didn’t find it on Mount Silver.” “It’s only found at night time.” “W-Why?” “And it’s nowhere near as strong as the other ghost types, so it’s not even worth it. Yep, that’s the only new ghost type added! Great idea!”

[@nathanmcguire932]

"We're going to create a whole new type (Dark) to nerf the Alakazam line, but only two of them are good and one's an Eeveelution while the other one isn't available until the postgame, and we're going to make dark moves special while making almost all dark type pokemon physical attackers"

[@kerrywien6775]

Gen 2 is indeed the Worst Generation, this video is so accurate. THE REGULAR POKÉMONS OF GEN 2 ARE GARBAGE/TRASH, That SO MANY GEN 2 POKÉMON GOT NEW PERMANENT EVOLVED FORMS in GEN 4. THAT’S WHY GEN 2 is My Least Favorite Gen, WEAK ROSTER OF POKÉMONS, A BAD STORY/PLOT, A LOT OF NEW UGLY POKÉMONS, BLAND CHARACTERS/GYM LEADERS, WEAK GYM LEADERS, WEAK NPC, They even copied the STARTERS, WEAK STARTERS, ALL GEN 2 STARTERS ARE MONOTYPED, FUCK GEN 2.

[@fistofram5526]

@@kerrywien6775 Uh, the video is sorta right but you are mostly wrong. The gen in pokémon 2 aren't exactly garbage, and the reason they are fewer is because you have the pokémon from gen 1 included as well. Some of them have decent stats, it's not like other regions have an overall greater number of pokémon with better stats when compared to Johto's. Kanto pokémon also had many evolves forms in gen 4, like Electivire, Magmortar, Rhyperior, Tangrowth and Magneton. Mostly from Kanto, guess you're wrong huh. Dunno how the starters are copies but alright I guess. Also, Feraligatr is probably twice as better as Blastoise. Rest is acceptable, true.

[@ron4tron]

@@fistofram5526 Agreed, though I’d still venture to guess Johto Pokemon are overall worse than any other region. There are simply far too many Pokemon that just don’t really do much functionally. Lower stats, nothing to make them stand out, or both. Legendaries aside, there’re like 5 *good* Pokemon, an okay amount of somewhat passable Pokemon, and a larger amount of downgrades/terrible Pokemon. The amount of passable Pokemon cuts down by over half if you consider them before buffs in future gens.

[@darthvader7886]

@@fistofram5526 i can definitely agree with you I'd say the worst gen is probably gen 7

[@boofjake]

*"He's fucking destroying our childhood omg"* -Blummy 69

[@jimmy-the-hedgehog1169]

timestamp?

[@meenanshgupta1317]

@@jimmy-the-hedgehog1169 12:47

[@L1nk2002]

Bruh 99% of gs player's teams are made of 5 gen 1 pokémons and 1 gen 2 pokémon, the starter. Second gen dex is terrible (aside from my boy politoed, the best pokémon ever). Also the whole game is based on just being a sequel to 1st gen games, without being real sequels due to not having a real plot aside from "the bad boys from the first game lost their boss and now they are bad again". The lore around the legendaries is kind ok interesting but it's not really narrated in the games. The themes sounds like remixes of 1st gen soundtrack, except for some good tracks like dark cave. And the whole post game is just a literal copy and paste of the 1st gen games. Man they really fucked up with these games.

[@Kumaclaws]

GSC did Johto a massive disservice, cause so much of it relies on gen 1 that the new Pokémon that stand out are either 1% chance encounters or they’re held off until post game. And it sucks because johto itself is such a fun region. The music, the traditional/Shinto inspired towns, Silver’s a rival you love to hate, and it has one of the only gyms in the series that forces the player to actually strategize instead of throwing their overleveled starter at everything (outside of self imposed challenges). Kanto really does bring everything else down fr, Johto deserved so much more.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Just a small nitpick really, but can we talk about Chikorita in Gen 2? Chikorita has a good matchup against Chuck's Poliwrath, and Will's Slowbro. That's it. The entire game, those are the only two notable pokemon Chikorita has a good matchup against. Bruno's Onix if you count it. On the other hand, Chikorita is at a disadvantage against Faulkner, Bugsy, Morty, Clair, literally every pokemon on the Rival's team, some of Pryce and Jasmine's pokemon, all of Team Rocket, Koga, and Lance. I probably forgot something. Who looked at that, and decided it was okay?

[@magma41158]

The bright side is that you can get pokemon to help counter the those type advantages when you choose Chikorita. So it's not all bad

[@chill6455]

THANK YOU. That's one of my main issues with this gen, with how biased it is against not only Chikorita, but grass types in general.

[@woollychannel6759]

I think the gym types were purely chosen so as not to overlap with the Kanto ones. Clearly no one actually took a step back to see the problem for poor chikorita. There is literally no reason to use it.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@@woollychannel6759 There is one reason. It's the cutest little dickens of 'em all, and since Meganium is worthless too, there's no incentive to evolve it.

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

The Chikorita line is my favorite starter line in Gen 2, largely because of a Nuzlocke I saw of Soul Silver. The players chose their starter by their trainer ID number, got stuck with Chikorita, which was the last thing they wanted, named it Mr Stake because they originally wanted to name it Misstake until they saw it was a guy, and that stubborn bastard survived the entire Nuzlocke despite them constantly trying to kill it by putting it in situations where it really should've died. By the end, they loved it so much that one of them even named their dog after it. If it weren't for Mr Stake, I would hate all the gen 2 starters equally and think they were all irredeemably awful.

[@williamehrhardt918]

Gen 2 was growing pains. Gen 3 was where modern Pokemon really started existing and was more or less fully formed in gen 4.

[@zyggybaranowski6852]

Very accurate. Gen 4 cemented how the pokemon games worked going forward. It's like going through middle school (gen 1), high school (gen 2), and college (gen 3) before you finally find who you are as an adult (gen 4). Yeah you still change a little as time passes but you're identity and who you see yourself as remains firm. It just Pokemon 4 generations to find themselves

[@MLGProMaster-tu9tz]

@@zyggybaranowski6852 then Gen 5 is when you reach the peak of your life, after which your life goes downhill

[@IronicTB]

@@MLGProMaster-tu9tz Gen 6 is when you have your midlife crisis and start trying out increasingly embarassing hobbies like temporary evolutions, special one-use moves, and inevitably becoming obese.

[@mud213]

Gen 3 added the accretion problem. The national Dex fiasco of Gen VIII happened because Gen 3 set the precedent that you could get all the Pokemon that exist. This ultimately meant that they were severely limiting future design space for the franchise. Gen 3 was worse for the franchise than Gen 2.

[@femmefuntime]

@@IronicTB I like gen 6. Partially because breeding mechanics improved and the clothes.

[@giovannihansen7406]

It baffles me that the Gen 2 dex is overall so horrible and especially that way too many Pokemon there didn't evolve until Gen 4

[@Rascal1214]

I've seen this video multiple times, and I just now came up with an idea to fix the gym leaders, with the focus being on the early game. My idea is to slightly switch up the order of the gym leaders so they are able to use their aces. The order will be 1. Morty 2. Falkner 3. Whitney 4. Bugsy 5. Chuck 6. Jasmine 7. Pryce 8. Clair If we make Morty 1st, then we can give him a Gastly and have Misdreavus be the ace, and the location would make sense as the gym is next to Sprout Tower. If we make Falkner into the 2nd gym leader, then his team could be Hoothoot, Natu, Noctowl, or Hoothoot, Natu, Xatu. Whitney can be 3rd, and since we don't want to make her that much harder, we can give her a Cleffa and Igglybuff to show the players that baby pokemon exist, and do so in a way that makes the battle all that much harder. For Bugsy, his team can be Yanma, Ariados, Scyther, Herracross as the ace. The reason why Herracross goes to Bugsy over Chuck is because it feels more like a Bug type, also I don't wanna give Bugsy a Ledian. If I did give it to Chuck, the team would be Yanma, Ledian, Scyther, Ariados. For Chuck, give him Machoke/Machamp, Poliwrath, Primeape, and Hitmontop as the ace. I'd only give him a Machamp if he didn't get to use Herracross (refer to Bugsy entry). For Jasmine (she is now guaranteed to be the 6th in this example), since she is basically a Steel/Electric gym leader, shes a lot easier. Her team can be Magneton, Forretress, Ampharos, and Scizor and Steelix can be dual aces. From Jasmine onwards I'm basically using SmithPlays Pokemon's ideas, so watch his videos for a more in depth analysis as for the reasoning. Pryce can have Delibird, Sneasel, Jynx, Cloyster/Tentacruel, and Piloswine. Clair can have Dragonair, Gyarados, Aerodactyl, Tyranitar, and Kingdra. Her team is a mix between Lance's FRLG and HGSS teams, and the reason for the similarities to those teams is because, just like in the games, she's supposed to be a weaker Lance. I don't like putting Charizard here because it is a starter, so I put Ttar instead. If you don't mind having both and having a greater difficulty spike, then having both at once can make sense. The reason why I made Morty first is because I wanted Misdreavus to be usable, and the 1st gym is almost always boting. From Gens 1-8, it went Rock, Flying, Rock, Rock, Fire/Water/Grass, Normal, Bug, and Grass, which is pretty boring in my eyes. Since Falkner is too early to have a unique team, I decided it was best to shift everyone around. Like I i said, this is like my 3rd or 4th time seeing this, and I got this idea because of SmithPlays Pokemon (watch his videos, they're really good) also because I thought it would be interesting if the gym order was switched to make the first 4 gym leaders better. Its also like 5 am rn, and I'm tired of typing, I hope this makes sense to whoever reads this long ass comment. Nite

[@welshlout3400]

Okay Morty first would be pretty sick, but imo you have to leave it as a direct swap with Falkner to preserve the right aesthetic for Falkner. Plus a bird Pokémon expert living in Ecruteak would bring some extra relevance to the lore of the towers there. And hey, if you’re not giving Skarmory to Jasmine, guess who Falkner’s ace is…

[@Gemini_Blessed_Boy]

This is why I love Gen 4, the fact that they completed a lot of unfinished evolution lines

[@thescoobyshuffle9244]

Which weren’t available until platinum

[@theduggening3061]

@@thescoobyshuffle9244 I hated that cause the sinnoh dex sucked and all the pokemon I wanted to use were locked behind the national dex

[@elmuchacho3379]

@@thescoobyshuffle9244 masuda’s boner for the number 151 was so dumb in this generation. Cutting out a lot of necessary variety for the sake of being faithful to gen 1’s pokedex total.

[@pkmnproductions7461]

@@elmuchacho3379 LMFAO BONER FOR 151 🤣

[@wanderingtyphlosion7332]

As soon you started ranting about Typhlosion, my favorite Pokemon, and got to the stats, it wasn't anger that I felt, it was joy. I legitimately thought I was the only one who noticed that.

[@marmota7615]

He is the first one that I saw talking about the stats of the typhlosion line, and I felt in the same way as you, happy to see that I am not the only one :)

[@Slazors]

Charizard's flying typing gives it more utility than weaknesses. Unfortunately there aren't many reasons to choose typhlosion over charizard, even though I love typhlosion too.

[@xaldynnemo47]

I don't see what the problem with that is? It's not like they just copy-pasted the pokemon, it has a different type and movepool. And he was just complaining about how all the stats suck, and then shows a pokemon with the exact same stats as fucking Charizard.

[@silas6213]

@@Slazors At least typhlosion doesn't have a 4x weakness against stone

[@Slazors]

@@silas6213 Like I said, it's typing gives it more utility than weaknesses. Watch the How Good was Typhlosion Actually video.

[@arthaal]

I personally have a problem with how Gen2 is always praised for the things every other gen has done (much better too) and how everyone just ignores the flaws it shares with other games (and are attacked in those), despite it being the worst offender at some of them.

[@sebastianaliandkulche]

Gen 2 feels more like a tech demo to be honest.

[@ronjohnson2760]

It wasn't just ghost types that got fucked in gen 2 and only got 1 new pokemon of that type. Dragon as well. It was a brand new typing in gen 2 and yet the only new mon we got with the dragon typing was Kingdra, and the fact that he is a trade evo fucking sucks and hurts him considerably. Gen 2 is just filled with all these terrible and useless bug and grass types that are weak as shit and anything even remotely decent is either from gen 1 or you have to wait until late game or post game to get. Caves are also TERRIBLE in this gen. They are notorious and almost universally hated because of the encounter rate which makes them SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Slow it's almost unbearable. Why the hell isn't larvatar in any of these caves? Why do I have to wait until post game to get one? Why the hell do I have to wait so long for houndour? It is just such a shame.

[@appelofdoom8211]

Gen 1 had dragon types as well