Poker Dealing Q&A -- Part 2

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Poker Dealing Q&A -- Part 2

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Күн бұрын

This summer will have about no poker, but it will have a lot of dealing poker. I'm dealing the summer poker series at The Orleans on W Tropicana in Las Vegas, Nevada. The 2024 Orleans Summer Open is the official name of the series. Here are my tales.
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@jasonfullerton7763 Ай бұрын

"Can a foreigner get a job dealing in the US?" Yes, with a work permit. You can't just show up on a tourist visa and start working. It's also like that in Europe.

@Stockholm_Syndrome 27 күн бұрын

Last question. The correct answer is that it is a call. Players are responsible for their actions. Any doubt, ask the dealer. And as you say, it opens up for so much cheating. You can always ask the dealer about what is going on. If there is any doubt in a situation, then it is how the dealer perceived the situation that's what should be the ruling.

@VegasPokerNomad 27 күн бұрын

I agree. And I was announcing large bets and all-in's loudly when I dealt to avoid confusion.

@TheSuperdaniel1970 Ай бұрын

It was a great day when the poker room started putting big "all-in" buttons in the tray. Hard to deny somebody was all-in when the chip is thrown and the dealer announces "all-in." However, except playing online, nothing is full proof and errors, angles, and confusion still happens. A good floor has to weigh intent, what the dealer says happened, and to a lesser extent, what the two players said happened and come up with a ruling. To me, if a player announces a "quiet" all-in, but nobody heard including the dealer except the two players sitting next to him, and the third player puts in a single chip to call the previous bet, should the single chip player be punished? No. Another situation, a player says all-in, dealer heard it, announces all-in, throws in the button, and the third player to the right of the all-in player tosses a single chip, doesn't say anything. The player who went all-in turns up his hand, and the player who threw in the single chip says wait a minute, I didn't know or want to call the all-in. Hopefully the floor will rule that intent plays a part, and throwing single chip means call, especially with a dealer and player announced all-in and all-in button. Sometimes strange things happen at the poker table. So...the floor must have latitude when it comes to making decisions that may not be black and white...one of the basic rules usually posted in all poker rooms is that a floor may make decisions in the spirit of the fairness of the game that deviates from the rules. I'm paraphrasing but it's something like that.

@VegasPokerNomad Ай бұрын

At MGMNH, dealers were telling all-in players "Slide a stack across the line to indicate that you're all-in" instead of the common "put one chip in." That made things clearer too.

@dr.options Ай бұрын

Since you've been dealing, have you missed playing poker? Have you picked up on anything as a Dealer that you feel could improve your own poker play?

@VegasPokerNomad Ай бұрын

No. -- It's a lot of tournaments, Omaha 8, and LHE I'm dealing. I'm not trying to "translate" what I see into NLHE cash strategy.

@thomasrichardson-ev1wp Ай бұрын

Playing Mandalay Bay a few years ago. Player just rebought for $300 He stated I’m going all in on this hand while the chips were arriving. I looked down at AAs and limped. He went all in. Oops I called. Quick $300. Another time at red rock I have a set player announces I’m all in if no one raises. I check and dealer forces his verb commitment. I call He has nothing but goes runner runner for a straight. That one didn’t work out. Players should be careful of verbal statements at the table.

@VegasPokerNomad Ай бұрын

Both of those are on the fence. Glad you got you're all-ins though, waiting with big hands.

@thomasrichardson-ev1wp Ай бұрын

Explain on the fence

@VegasPokerNomad Ай бұрын

@@thomasrichardson-ev1wp Could go either way. I could see a floor saying each statement was all-in. I could see a floor saying it wasn't action. The first one because it's not "I am all-in," it's "I'm going all-in." The second because of the "if no one raises."

@777BrokeDegen Ай бұрын

this was the Negreanu Thing that he was so pissed about it's absolutely ridiculous rule

@pokermudgeon2299 Ай бұрын

This was not the same as the most recent Negreanu thing. As I recall, Negreanu limped, button raised, blinds folded, and raiser turbo mucked because he didn't see Negreanu's limp. There is a tourney rule apparently that allows the raise/muck guy to only lose the limp amount.

@jcwilson4295 Ай бұрын

Im just wondering do people tip the same out of graditude when they win a hand? Do the female dealers usually make more tips or is it pretty much the same as the guys considering more guys play poker in general.

@VegasPokerNomad Ай бұрын

From playing, it feels like women get more on tiny pots. They seem to get a lot of $1's instead of $0's on the really small hands.

@ronbruh1878 Ай бұрын

Table captain always means when one person takes charge of everything going on at the table. They tell the dealers and players what to do, etc...

@LookOutside... Ай бұрын

@joyride1598 Ай бұрын

@mjriemen Ай бұрын

Yes

@joyride1598 Ай бұрын

@@mjriemen table captain can mean one of two things: 1. A table Karen who is overly preoccupied with all the goings-on at a poker table, acting as a second dealer 2. An overly aggressive player who is taking authority over the rest of the players by betting and raising, winning a lot of pots along the way. Sometimes there can be multiple table captains battling it out

@keepitsimple693 Ай бұрын

the throwing 1 chip in and whispering all in is the angle shoot imo, how does accidentally calling all in open the door for cheating, and more so than the player going all in with 1 chip?

@VegasPokerNomad Ай бұрын

I wasn't imagining the guy whispered it. The viewer said "Someone goes all-in and puts one chip out." I imagined a player announcing "All-in." The dealer saying "All-in." And the dealer putting the All-in disk on the table. I was thinking the second guy didn't hear because he was watching a movie on his phone lol.

@keepitsimple693 Ай бұрын

@@VegasPokerNomad ok in either situation how does the movie watcher cheat in this scenario? and totally agree movie watcher should pay attention but the whisper all in move is super douche

@VegasPokerNomad Ай бұрын

@@keepitsimple693 He can be totally aware of what's going on, throw out one chip, knowing the floor will let him take it back if he acts like he was unaware. Throwing out the one chip is a move he hopes causes the all-in player to show cards. If he's ahead, act like "Yeah, I called all-in, of course." If he's behind, say he was calling $5, and let the floor claim to know it was an honest mistake and he only loses $5. But it's not even a cheating thing to me. You can never know intent, so go based on actions. One player went all-in, it's all-in. The second player threw in a chip, he called. Those were the actions.

@jasonfullerton7763 Ай бұрын

There are times when I can tell the dealer hasn't noticed action that I have or is simply not paying attention. When it gets to me I ask the dealer, "So, what's the action here?" If I have to do that more than once, the dealer usually gets it. It's better than trying to reprimand the dealer.

@VegasPokerNomad Ай бұрын

That's good practice.

@JD0829-vz6nh Ай бұрын

Absolutely incorrect on the last question, only a bad floor or poorly run poker room would rule this way. Roberts rules of poker has had the "gross misunderstanding" rule for years and TDA has the rule now too. The onus is on the all in player to make their intentions clear. They can either speak up to where the dealer confirms the all in or they can put a sizable amount of chips out. If you put out one chip and whisper "all in", anything bad that arises is on you.

@VegasPokerNomad Ай бұрын

Robert's is trash. It says go based on intent, which is impossible to know unless you're a tarot reader. The TDA language still leaves a ton to subjective interpretation, like any language will. It should be a called all-in. People have put out an entire stack, said All-in twice, had the dealer repeat it, and another player still puts in one chip, later claiming ignorance to the all-in.

@frontseatdog4296 Ай бұрын

Ty Rice!

@jmsfabrication7821 Ай бұрын

Yes, players should always be aware of what's going on in the game. But it makes it hard when someone is trying to angle because a quickly spoken quiet "all-in" can sound a lot like "call". Especially if the angler makes no physical move to put their chips in. That's why having a good dealer is so important! I've seen things happen like the dealer not noticing a straddle, and everybody is throwing in a $5 chip (to call $3). I've watched it go around the whole table till somebody says "hey where's my change? "! Same thing with announced bets. The dealer should convey the raise verbally.

@partyry11 Ай бұрын

This comment reminded me how annoying I find it when someone quietly says "all in." Some people actually mouth it and don't make any sound at all. I think that would piss me off a lot more as a dealer, and it happens so much. Because the dealer has to then go into detective mode. They lean in as close as they can and ask the person to repeat what they said, sometimes several times. "what did you say? oh your all in? quiet as can be?." Infuriating

@VegasPokerNomad Ай бұрын

@@partyry11 I ask them to repeat it a lot, then I announce it. It's annoying, but there are very few discrepancies and very few times I need to call the floor to fix things.

@dominickmuzio9094 Ай бұрын

Regarding the last question with the one chip "call" - its now a TDA rule called "Egregious Misunderstanding" and it should be applied when its an obvious mistake- such as your scenario described - or in the case of an large denomination chip being used in a way that could make it easily mistaken for specific action (ex- at blinds 500/1000 player says "raise 25" and throws out a 25,000 chip" his intentions are murky there, and a player calling is reasonably expected to act on a bet of 2500- of course everything comes down to the floor's discretion

@VegasPokerNomad Ай бұрын

Egregious. Obvious. They came up with fancy language lol, but it's still subjective. In Maryland Live! they'd always say "This is a player-friendly room." when they let the guy take his bet back. And they really meant "This is a mistake-friendly room." Because the player who did nothing wrong was getting the one getting penalized.

@JD0829-vz6nh Ай бұрын

@@VegasPokerNomad Nope. In the question posed, the player who made their actions unclear and ambiguous is the one who did something wrong. Not the player who simply didn't hear and saw a single chip. Poker is a visual game. Make your actions clear and this won't happen.

@JD0829-vz6nh Ай бұрын

@@VegasPokerNomad Also if your concern is angling, then your rule is worse for that too. It would be so easy to angle if rooms ruled they way you want them too. I put out a single chip, whisper something ambiguous and then I decide later if I'm all in or not.

@VegasPokerNomad Ай бұрын

@@JD0829-vz6nh It's all subjective. Despite "ambiguous" being your favorite word, the same action can be clear to Mr. A and unclear to Mr. B. The purpose of the rule is more important than the rule itself. The purpose isn't to have a different, more lenient set of rules for the morons who aren't paying attention. Poker has visuals and audio.

@JD0829-vz6nh Ай бұрын

@@VegasPokerNomad It's not subjective at all. "Despite "ambiguous" being your favorite word, the same action can be clear to Mr. A and unclear to Mr. B." This is literally the definition of ambiguous. No one said the other guy wasn't paying attention, we said the all in player didn't make their intentions clear. This is apparent considering both the player didn't hear, and the dealer didn't hear. No good floor would rule the way you want them to rule. The purpose of the rule is to maintain the integrity of the game, not punish certain players that you consider "morons". Allowing a player who has an incentive in the pot to intentionally make unclear actions and then try to clarify them later after they have additional information does the opposite of that.