European troops in Ukraine may be a matter of time | On the Record

[@gb1178]

Europe has to now be the strongest force in the world.

[@RobertKohn-x3k]

You really do live in a delusional multiverse.Without the USA right now, Europe cannot fight Russia. You lot really live in myth.

[@tehokotkat]

Mostly yeas, until/at least US gets a bit "calm" in them.

[@Bakes-z4c]

The only thing holding Europe back is lack of will. If everyone saw the threat and pulled in the same direction, Russia could only be a nuclear threat. And everyone, bar NK, is against that

[@DavidMotion-uv2pu]

They need to make facts on the ground before the inauguration. They need to go all in send everything they have. A peace keeping force so big that it ends the war quickly.

[@annetteroennow9694]

Absolutely!

[@Bakes-z4c]

Biden is sending everything he can, now. Congress has not been on his side.

[@idalbasanchez537]

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[@ronmonks6325]

Why does Europe have armies if they aren't going to use them when they're obviously needed?

[@stephenhill545]

NATO was created to contain Russia.

[@tehokotkat]

Exactly.

[@johnadam2885]

Europeans have armies but they are trained for military exercises, not for fighting. Russia has an army that can fight and it knows combined arms warfare.

[@ruthwolfer4154]

Have a good move to the New Year TVP World team

[@KristianGreen-Andersen]

Why should we ask Russia for permission to have European troops in Ukraine? Russia did not ask Europe for permission to have North Korean Troops on European continent

[@U.H8]

No asking crazy about anything!!

[@johnadam2885]

'Why should we ask Russia for permission to have European troops in Ukraine?' Because Russia is on the winning side, and you are losing. If the Europeans send troops to Ukraine, the Russians will kill them. You try it and see. And the Americans will not come to bail you out. Get it ? Numskull.

[@Sebeline]

Because nobody remember M.K, Jr. The silence of good people is more dangerous than the brutality of the bad one such as Putler.

[@ronmonks6325]

If Ukrainians are defending Europe (and they are) why are European armies sitting on their hands and not fighting shoulder-to-shoulder with Ukrainian heroes?

[@kinngrimm]

Because most european nations are part of NATO and thereby treaty bound. NATO sofar tried to stay out of the conflict as much as possible, while still providing equipment and bankrolling Ukrain. That sofar works as russia bleeds out. If NATO gets involved with its own national armies, that would be an escalation that may actually lead to a nuclear conflict. So careful what you wish for.

[@mihaivale7170]

Good question!

[@1952RONALD]

If no peace,it’ll be someone else’s fault for sure.

[@joeperkowski]

Why does this woman keep pushing the Afghanistan analogy vs Ukraine nowhere near the same

[@grisall]

Exactly the same. Trump throwing allies under the bus. Add the Kurds in Northern Iraq that Trump stabbed in the back to his shameful record.

[@redeyedmongoose2963]

I agree 100%

[@WhiteWolf65]

Diaper Donnie set Biden up to lose face, and the Afghan government to crash after releasing the five thousand Taliban killers. There was ZERO involvement from the Afghan Government to Trump's agreement, a critical failure of Donnie's choice. Biden has not set Trump up in any way here, so if Trump fails, it is all on him, not because he was "set up" by anyone. ZERO comparison. And to put a point on it, Soviets got burned badly when they went into Afghanistan in 1980. They've lost easily double the troops in Ukraine compared to what they lost in Afghanistan, and as for material, it is catastrophic. Putin is having his plants restore pre-Vietnam-era tanks to fight... that would be comparable to the US hauling M60's out of retirement.

[@Bakes-z4c]

Forcing a 20th century democracy on the Afghanis looked like a losing strategy to me, whereas Ukraine wants that and wants desperately to get away from it’s genocidal former overlord

[@grisall]

@Bakes-z4c checkout Afghanistan before the Russians and Taliban took over. It was a monarchy and a normal 1960s nation

[@didixtar2863]

She says leadership is overrated 😂😂😂 that’s why Europe is going downhill FAST

[@Bakes-z4c]

I agree- the manufacturing capacity is there, plenty of people and capital, just the will is missing

[@ryanwalters6184]

Europe needs to handle Europe. America doesn't needs to be in the middle.

[@jefferyshute6641]

Thank you, Adam, and guests. Interesting discussion. I think the least expensive way to end the war in Ukraine is give them everything they need to defeat Russia. Trump does not want to be seen as a loser in anything.

[@johnadam2885]

'give them everything they need to defeat Russia. ' is a failed rhetoric, no point continuing with that line after defeat. Firstly, Ukraine does not have manpower, it cannot recruit enough, and the ones sent to the frontlines now are deserting. Secondly, the US does not have money and arms of quality and quantity to give.

[@ivan7453]

At which stage did Donald Trump realise his promise to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours was an absolute joke?

[@Bakes-z4c]

😱 you didn’t tell him, did you?

[@IrenESorius]

TVP / Marta Prochwicz,, 👍‍‍🌟👍‍‍

[@andyb6866]

Trump wanting to talk with Putin is like Roosevelt wanting to talk with Hitler.

[@stephenhill545]

Why isn't Ukraine a votal interest? Iran and China are backing its enemy, and Trump sees these countries as a direct threat to the US.

[@tehokotkat]

Even more stalin (putins idol).

[@Bakes-z4c]

But he did talk to Stalin. That’s what he felt he had to do, at the time, but I think in the long term, bad idea

[@marisabenson1222]

Because drawing lines on a map according to war and victors has never caused any problems.

[@Arihant997]

European people on average don't want to. Continue to participate in any conflict in Ukraine ..does not make sense to them..

[@Bakes-z4c]

It’s sad that this is likely. If the neo Nazis want manufacturing jobs, a big military spend up would deliver

[@peterwhite7428]

Marta is a very intelligent and articulate woman. I lived in Poland the year of Solidarity 1980. She understands both Putin and trump Marta is also a very beautiful woman and I wish I were in Poland now so I could speak with her about this war. I deliver medical aid to Ukraine My cousins live there.

[@SalvatoreP-d9r]

The guests should have had a hard strong look at the crystal ball. Too bad.

[@spring9557]

Siedzę i macham głową z nie do wiarą o czym wy mówicie.

[@ChuckieChumbs]

Things fall apart, Europe cannot hold. Russia is ready for any situation. Putin said no matter how much support is given to Ukraine, it will only delay but not stop his special operation.

[@victors4333]

With American encouragement? What are you, a bunch of cowards?

[@ronmonks6325]

Bingo!

[@prakash_rai169]

this program fully I watched those three person talking like kids 😂

[@SG-gy7nj]

Kule krysztalowe przepowiadanie przyszlosci Hokus pokus kurwa 😂

[@mdhandyman]

Interesting interview and very wise heads. 90% of your crystal ball analysis looks and sounds very likely. However, we should not forget that just as Europe and its Leaders are slowly and quietly showing their actions regarding the near future of Ukraine, they also do not mention the fact that if someone really shakes the Crystal ball, for example China attacks Taiwan next year or a year later, what will happen then and whether Europe and NATO will tell America, Trump, something like he is saying now, this is not our war, Ukraine is not our problem and therefore after shaking the crystal ball, Europe or NATO will tell him, this is not our problem, this Pacific region, watch for yourself, what would happen then, it cannot be predicted. But everything is possible. Only God have all picture.

[@tehokotkat]

Sure in china, and russia there is the most "adult wise" desicions?

[@wickman.r4662]

? Why not Poland, the Baltic and Scandinavian countries , and Finland provide logistical troops inside Ukraine for the transportation of weapons to the combat zones? North Korean troops are already within the Russian combat line.

[@mdhandyman]

Interesujący wywiad i bardzo mądre głowy. 90% twojej analizy kryształowej kuli wygląda i brzmi bardzo prawdopodobnie. Nie powinniśmy jednak zapominać, że tak jak Europa i jej przywódcy powoli i cicho pokazują swoje działania dotyczące niedalekiej przyszłości Ukrainy, tak samo nie wspominają o tym, że jeśli ktoś naprawdę potrząśnie kryształową kulą, na przykład Chiny zaatakują Tajwan w przyszłym roku lub rok później, co się wtedy stanie i czy Europa i NATO powiedzą Ameryce, Trumpowi, coś takiego jak mówi teraz, to nie jest nasza wojna, Ukraina nie jest naszym problemem i dlatego po potrząśnięciu kryształową kulą, Europa lub NATO powiedzą mu, to nie jest nasz problem, ten region Pacyfiku, zobacz sam, co by się wtedy stało, nie da się tego przewidzieć. Ale wszystko jest możliwe. Tylko Bóg ma cały obraz.

[@stephenhill545]

Perhaps, Schroeder, Sarkozy, Merkel, Cameron, Hollande etc. can come on and explain to us why they decided to demilitarise? Did they think Putin was a safe bet?

[@johnadam2885]

They thought they had won the cold war, and they could threaten Russia with NATO expansion and Russia was too weak to retaliate. Now you know how strong Russia is - it has defeated the collective west, you are begging for a freeze to the conflict.

[@dreed7312]

Same ideas that have failed. At least she acknowledges that Trump has unconventional methods, butI believe is very wrong if she thinks he can't do what he's said he'd do. I can think of several things he can do and they all seem to be beyond her imagination. Since I can't speak for him I'll leave it at that. She should ask herself what the impact of an American base would be in Ukraine? Impossible? Unlikely?

[@Bakes-z4c]

How many failed casinos?

[@Sebeline]

No,no.Europe will pay 5% to NATO but not on the border with P , because it is better for T to share with P than euro money in frozen war.

[@mariuschinner2988]

There will be no European/NATO troops in Ukraine. Russia said NET, you are not paying attention.

[@Sebeline]

The bromance work,TVP, because history continues: Muscovy wrote on the walls of Kazan in 1551: "I am the legal successor of the Horde", in 1721: "I am the legal successor of All Russia", in 1991: "I am the legal successor of the Soviet Union". Now they are already writing to Trump :"I am the legal representative of Europe." You have already heard about 5% of GDP.

[@beckyperry7752]

December 7, 2024, White House press release "Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III announced today nearly $1 billion in additional security assistance to help Ukraine bolster its combat power amid Russia's continued aggression."

[@marisabenson1222]

Putin ghost fleet cut cables in the Baltic Sea

[@Arihant997]

The way this anchor and participants are talking about Ukraine becoming stronger and holding the line ..is just sheer delusion...

[@lahy1060]

If European countries understand the common sense of the cost of security and take urgent steps to increase their defense budget to 3.5% to 4.0% of their GDP, it will satisfy Trump's wishes.

[@johnadam2885]

It will foster US arms business, Trump will be satisfied, but Europe will be impoverished, will it have the money to buy US arms ?

[@icu17siberia]

Don’t think so. Trump will ask why they waited all these years. Let’s hope there’s a good answer.

[@considerthis7712]

This topic is already out of date on release.. Putin has already said no to talking to Zelensky at all.

[@mihaivale7170]

Very good discussion! Maybe there is another way, not quick, but a must. A UN organised intervention force madeup of european armies and other member armies. Basicaly a sort of a bigger police department or jandarmerie, at global scale. Reason: With some exceptions (Putin etc) we already behave like living in a big city and not as individual isolated countries. That force can intervine in conflicts or prevent others by making order and arresting leaders with criminal actions (like Putin). So, no need for nukes. A model already exists: NATO. But a bigger one. A specialised intervention force, without any fancy nationalist poem based retoric, without any slogans, without nationalistic identity motivation, but more concentrated just on peace and order (like police for ex.). This kind of thing can be a well suited jobs for anybody that wants to make money by keeping the order, just like in a local police. I know this is a very complex and huge discussion to have, also a huge effort, but we all must look to ourselves, recognise who we are and have it, in order to not let people die anymore because one or another idiot dictator. Any war is producing so much damage not only to people, but to economies and environment. Without that force, UN is just a bunch of well fed people talking nonsense on big salaries. Humanity need this force now, not in the future!

[@beckyperry7752]

WASHINGTON Dec. 10, 2024 "The Treasury Department said Tuesday it would disburse $20 billion - the U.S. portion of a $50 billion multinational loan to Ukraine, backed by Russia’s frozen central bank assets - before Biden leaves the White House."

[@karelkocandrle1100]

I got to laugh , Russia not respecting the international agreement ...Russia had never ever respectet any agreement since it's conception ...

[@johnadam2885]

As if the US respected the statement James Baker made about NATO not expanding one inch to the east. You want something for nothing. It does not work like that with the Russians. If you agree to $1 in a transaction, they will give you $1. But if you shortchange them, they will give you a warning, and then punch you and knock you out.

[@MrGonTour]

The host should not BUTT-IN when the guest have not finished. He annoys me....

[@barti_PPoV]

Panowie i Panie z mediow pierwsi pojadą.

[@YT2024Hayward]

Turkish or Israeli peacekeepers.

[@joytekb]

Trump is not politician but businessman for the lack of better word He does not have needed imagination to see Europe weight in World scale He will loose eventually with his pure economic way of thinkng about it

[@Papalegba22]

Why is this woman so pro Trump? He's a bafoon!

[@JamesMunge]

my anological question to you. when will the truth be told ??

[@RobertKohn-x3k]

Hahaha send troops to Ukraine under which peace plan? You see European s are negotiating among themselves about a peace treaty that they have no say in. Europe is highly indebted, very small militaries,very small military industrial complexes meaning they are hardly prepared to go to war without full mobilisation of human and other resources. Where will the energy to fight and manufacture come from? 😂😂😂Don't wish for war but peace.

[@JasonBlack66]

deleting my comment? WTF?

[@jeffkablock3229]

Putins going down lol

[@josephmcghee8887]

When the USA invaded the European continent in World War II, they found a continent of defeated nations that needed to be rescued. But in the current situation there is a continent of fully restored nations that are fully capable of raising armies, navies and air forces. The US Forces can come forward, but they need to see Polish forces on their right, French forces on their left and German forces making up the armored and artillery units and UK forces making up some air units. NATO needs to be a "rainbow" of units from all European nations. In this way every European nation can see their brothers standing shoulder to shoulder as they move forward.

[@danielwardle5374]

she's Russia

[@PapaisSif-h5t]

These people on this show are essentially pushing for WW3.

[@trqster]

They're definetly fans of Fallout

[@gregmchale5011]

no they are telling facts. trump is ignorant about facts always.

[@barti_PPoV]

The girl is from the council on foreign relations. What did you expect.

[@jimbehan478]

That'll never happen.

[@WhiteWolf65]

Zelensky will not go for a cease-fire, because his conditions are contrary to Putin's demands. The only choice Diaper Donnie has is to start giving Ukraine more efficient weapons, and that Europe will send country-based defence contingents (not NATO, as much as Mad Vlad will scream) to aid Ukraine, just like Russia is getting DPRK soldiers and other Eastern and African mercenaries.

[@Sugarmountaincondo]

Trump Effect

[@KristianGreen-Andersen]

Trump suck

[@ElsieTaylor-w2m]

Could we stop the Russian aggression directed toward Ukraine simply announcing Ukraine will not join NATO. Nations in the western hemisphere could continue to aid Ukraine. Both Russia and Ukraine could therefore agree to a peace policy.

[@marisabenson1222]

No because putin is an imperialist and Ukraine joining NATO is not his problem. It's just bs line to sell to the gullible.

[@gregmchale5011]

no Putin requires Ukriane military to be no More than 50,000 troops, Ukriane must not be armed.

[@waynegore5291]

Mushroom in london, warsaw is also a matter of time.