Police Are Collecting More DNA Than Ever Before - But Is It Useful? (HBO)

Law enforcement have a new crime fighting tool: your DNA.
Antonia Hylton visits one police department where collecting genetic information has become routine.
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[@50StichesSteel]

DONT CONSENT!!!!

[@turkishradish]

It seems a little unclear to me, but from how I understand it, the people who owned the car that got broken into at the train station didn't consent. I could be wrong though, the video didn't elaborate on that point.

[@wehrmeister]

@@turkishradish They would have consented for the police to collect the possible criminal DNA from the vehicle, then will submit theirs for elimination against that collected DNA.

[@Arikiatrukido]

DNA planting will be the shit now

[@pwrserge83]

That's adorable, you think it's possible to plant DNA from a cheek swab.

[@Arikiatrukido]

you so smart, do you think every guy will lick the crime scene ?

[@pwrserge83]

Taru The point is that the source of the sample is easy to ID. Planting a cheek swab sample is impossible because the cells in the sample wouldn't be cells normally found at a crime scene.

[@tam-eremaime6299]

pwrserge83 god! your the king of pig defense

[@pwrserge83]

jean jambon ... and you wonder why cops don't like liberals?

[@user-zp8ei6pi7p]

"what's this for" the guy had ABSOLUTELY no idea what he was doing. Did you see how quickly and quietly the cop slipped in "consensual" into that conversation. He should be fired.

[@JewTube001]

That's how cops always do stuff they need 'consent' or a 'warrant' for. It's rampant among the entire police force, as they get trained to do it like that.

[@user-zp8ei6pi7p]

Calls someone an idiot - provides no explanation or evidence. I'll bet my left nut you voted for Trump :)

[@shadowsmith89123]

Arguing that you don't care about your privacy becasue you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say. - Edward Snowden.

[@chrissnyder3809]

"As Much Power"...ooops did I say that ?

[@Sebbos]

Prove your innocents? Thats not how the system works

[@3yearshardcore1]

"That's the way this country was set up, and that's what people have to remember" - Fat Pig

[@ROCdevelopments]

The man is a hazard for America. That's the very opposite of how America was set up. It was the first country in the world to recognize peoples integrity and sovereignty.

[@larrysmith647]

@@3yearshardcore1 ---He makes a good Nazi, doesn't he, plus the Communist countries would LOVE him !!!

[@AndrewGayner]

Lol, Famous last words - "If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about"

[@edarkmonster]

Andrew Gayner you would think everybody would know that. It physically hurt my brain when he said that.

[@annubis2292]

Its amazing that people still make this idiotic argument and that there are still so many people who think its actually a good argument. :/

[@anthonymarcano9376]

You got to understand what they using it for, they could frame you with your DNA, once they have it they could put it to a crime that you wasn't even there they say that is a match

[@TheTeehee11111]

welcome police state

[@SJ-lt6yf]

Police State, America fast going to the fascist state

[@dcdrewdc]

I want as much power..... I mean latitude.....

[@killacamfoo]

Drew Charpentier it's consensual power.

[@Xantank]

Drew Charpentier power? Did I say that word. I meant "latitude"

[@whowantest]

WTF?????!!!!????

[@whowantest]

Thats criminal asf 😲

[@JewTube001]

The police are the most dangerous criminal gang.

[@danielloeb2044]

Consent needs to be more explicit than that. People need to be advised of their right to refuse consent.

[@pvtpain66k]

"What is this" after you coerced him into signing without explaining the rights he's giving up. Looks totally legal to me.

[@peterzotti6430]

I'm sort of the kind of person who most would consider dumb.... but... didn't i hear some shit about innocent until proven guilty???

[@ROCdevelopments]

Fuhgeddaboudit.

[@Tearakan]

We need to completely rewrite cop procedures to actually protect innocents and not allow for possible corruption. This could easily be corrupted!

[@thebombvault]

"prove your innocence." No sir. This country's legal system was built on the belief that every person charged in court is innocent until proven otherwise. To say that we must prove our innocence proves an undermining belief of this man that is very scary.

[@rurutuM]

LAWYER

[@stayniftyGuyFaceMannPersonDude]

Police are going to have to either convince or coerce you into giving them permission, you don't have to give them shit, just say no.

[@grantgalliger8578]

So if they request this from "everyone", are we to assume the police officers and the Director of Public Safety for Bensalem have also voluntarily submitted themselves to the DNA database?

[@Mrdresden]

"Get your day in court, and prove your innocents". As a person living outside of the U.S I am horrified by this statement, not to mention the whole issue of mass DNA collection.

[@curtiscurt]

Been doing this for years in the uk, I was 12 when I had a school fight, they took saliva finger prints and interviewed me . The dad of the other kid was a copper. Should have been done for wasting police time tbh

[@kennethkluge5204]

Guilty until proven innocent?

[@retiredtidepodeater3339]

I don't see this opening up a can of worms at all. Nope. Not one bit.

[@Kam7z]

"Have your day in court and prove your innocence" Well obviously he doesn't understand the bill of rights...

[@susanb4816]

the cop lied when he said it stays in-house. and he didnt ask, he told with the assumption the guy understood, but clearly he did not cause he signed and then asked, 'what's this'

[@kevinschnell7220]

Anybody else catch that little comment about proving yourself innocent there at the end? Obviously that saying "Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" was just for the cops TV show.

[@dimmondog322]

"Consent" that is NOT the appropriate way to get consent. At all. How is this legal in the slightest? Medical organizations are under stricter guidelines than these pigs who could very easily potentially use this information to ruin lives. This is insane.

[@bobothedon]

Even if you are innocent , you have to pay for the court Not easy to be innocent and been in wrong place in wrong time Or you skin color is not appealing to law enforcement One of the reason I would never visit USA in my life

[@Weah702]

I miss the full 30-40 minute documentaries back when vice news actually tried. 😞

[@susanb4816]

these snippets are advertisement for their show on hbo

[@Weah702]

Susan B ik that sucks

[@superlativeOFgood]

DNA has more information in it than they need.

[@BlueHairChad]

I really don't like the idea of the original, voluntary sample sitting in a drawer somewhere. I'm not really comfortable with any of this, but if I was forced to provide a sample, I would strongly prefer that it be processed and stored electronically. With the original sample in a drawer with the provider's name on it, abuse is much easier. All an ill-intentioned person has to do is put on a pair of gloves, take one of the two Qtips, apply a very small amount of water, rub the Qtip on some piece of evidence, and then put the Qtips back. That's it and some innocent person could spend the rest of their life in jail for a crime they did not commit.

[@BlueHairChad]

The very least they should be doing is assigning a number to that sample for ID and then restrict access to the correlating names to a secure system. Ideally, these samples should be collected, analyzed, and then the physical sample should be destroyed. This should be done by an impartial, trustworthy, and heavily audited third-party. This should only be done when people are convicted of felonies or with TRULY informed consent. They guy in that video had no idea what they were doing with that Qtip or what would happen to it afterward, and I'm pretty sure that is the case for most if not nearly all of those samples.

[@blingbam404]

Whoa, no... This is not okay. The police should have to wait until there are better systems of accountability in place before implementing this technology.

[@samanthabennett5145]

18000 samples and not even one of them are not at risk of contamination as the cop wast not in a sterile lab suit with hair and facial mask, oops, try again :(

[@aidan231mccormick]

"get your day in Court and prove your innocence" *cough*innocent until proven guilty*cough*

[@trmdude5738]

If you're convicted take their DNA but to take it otherwise is asking for abuse

[@willworkfordoge]

The police chief at the end said "go to court and prove your innocence"! What ever happened to the presumption of innocence unless you are proved guilty. This guy needs to be fired and also be forced to take a test on the US constitution. The founding fathers are probably rolling in their graves.

[@ProjeckDestiny]

"I want an much power as possible" and "prove your Innocence" doesn't get more blatant than that.

[@anthonymarcano9376]

They need to collect DNA from every police officer doctor , judge FBI in a lot of crimes would be solved at least 80%

[@SirCherbs]

I wonder if all the cops have to have their DNA registered with the department..

[@passerby157]

what of dirty/bad cops ( i know they are a small few) replicating filed evidence to frame people for whatever reason? Personally i just find this to be lazy policing

[@kentroth8863]

Prove your innocence? What happened to "innocent until proven guilty". Now WE must prove our innocence rather than THEM proving our guilt. Interesting how things have changed...."Protect & Serve".....not any more.

[@GregoryCurtis]

He gave them consent. You never give consent. You don't have to.

[@jason4275]

The sad thing about this is, if someone in your family commits a crime then their dna that was found then the cops had a reason to kick down your door everyone's door who's related to you.

[@BlueHairChad]

They concept of if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about has been used so many times to take away privacy and personal freedoms. You should always be weary when you hear anyone use that logic to justify anything.

[@MrEddieG420]

oh all they need is your consent...... I DONT NOT CONSENT !

[@MrEddieG420]

Swiatek702 Force me to open my mouth... LOL bite a damn cops finger off...

[@MrEddieG420]

***** Oh look a grammar Nazi... News flash, common core education is a fucking joke !

[@LatitiaDelicia]

it was a typo, relax, it happens.

[@bushwhakked]

Lawyer up.

[@pathfinderdaddy]

That's some BIG brother shit fo sho

[@tobiasschneider2007]

"...and prove you're innocent." And me who thought one is innocent until proven guilty. my bad

[@susanb4816]

panopticon, great word

[@elvinrichmond]

Anyone else notice how the police sold that "consensual" DNA sample? "Just part of our intake process, okay." "Consensual sample of DNA, okay." "All we ask you to do is print your name here, sign your name, and today's date." They made it seem like it was just routine paperwork, threw in the word consensual, and downplayed the gravity when communicating to sign the consent. Seems more like shady car salesmen tactics than public defender. I'm not sure that dude knew what consensual meant, mush less what he was signing up for.

[@danishbiochem]

Justice Scalia (yeah, you read it right), wrote in dissent in this case: "I doubt that the proud men who wrote the charter of our liberties would have been so eager to open their mouths for royal inspection." Bingo.

[@BLUEGENE13]

"if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" is exactly what big brother would say, and iirc does say in the book 1984, the problem with that logic is it doesn't understand that regardless if they're have or have not commited a crime they still have the right to certain privacies.

[@VanBuren504]

I like how he says prove your innocence at the end of the video. Thats not how it works you have to prove guilt.

[@chanthien99]

5:38 - He got it backward. You go to court so that your accusers have a chance to prove you guilty. That guy is so full of himself and shit.

[@VintacDestiny]

Innocence does not need to be proven - guilt does.

[@RocketCityGardener]

So are they sequencing the DNA or just have big file cabinets full of swabs?

[@DonC70]

They've been doing this in the UK for years. you get arrested they take a swab!!

[@jbiggspub0697]

He said the country was set up for us to "prove our innocence" what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? How does he not see anything wrong with taking someone's DNA innocent or not it's a matter of privacy. You get paid to solve crimes now do your job and stop looking for an easy conviction💯

[@mr.v7762]

Why is everyone freaking out all of the sudden? Isn't it almost the same thing when they take your finger prints? Which they where doing for decades already. If it helps the conviction whats the problem?

[@thefrenchlaundry6435]

that cops last statement. go to court and prove your innocence. no thats not how its suppose to be. they are suppose to prove you are guilty

[@1234567890glenn]

that's so fucked up. look how quick he said consensual sample so the person doesn't really hear that part.

[@DeRocco21]

I do not consent

[@cleric7788]

''I want power and you have to prove your innocence''

[@dallasnelson1257]

Does law enforcement have to give up their DNA when they sign up?

[@l0rdGUD]

Criminals have been & are also collecting, storing & utilizing various forms of dna/prints too, no one is exempt regardless of consent/awareness 😉 5:37😏

[@wickedprincess9086]

How is this not illegal?

[@1234567890glenn]

why don't we just put tracking devices on everone in America so the government knows where everone is. that would make things alot easier wouldn't it.

[@TrevorCokley]

I'm on the fence, but Fred Harren does not have a way with words. "Get your day in court and prove your innocence" last I checked, it was the other way around. Innocent until proven guilty. :P

[@resonantfrequency4566]

They have been using this tech for years in the UK. Mandatory too

[@jtm20xx]

2:50 nuff said

[@StevenBloomfield]

Not much different than finger printing you. That gets stored also.

[@peacethroughtruth146]

Is it a coincidence that the conservative judge (who was obviously opposed to this dna sampling) ended up dying a mysterious death?

[@aureliusrusticus2320]

If you don't like it, don't commit crimes, and the police will never bother you.

[@Ahhh714]

Don't have time to argue with your ignorant ass, instead I'll just tell you to rewatch 1:55.

[@aureliusrusticus2320]

Ahhh714 -- You don't want to debate because you have no logical position. You're just some crybaby millennial who's too childish to accept the fact that there are rules in life.

[@kittykuroki]

what is that t shirt lol

[@brucealexander5310]

AGAINST THE POLICE My entire Oeuvre is against the police If I write a Love poem it’s against the police And if I sing the nakedness of bodies I sing against the police And if I make this Earth a metaphor I make a metaphor against the police If I speak wildly in my poems I speak against the police And if I manage to create a poem it’s against the police I haven’t written a single word, a verse, a stanza that isn’t against the police All my prose is against the police My entire Oeuvre Including this poem My whole Oeuvre Is against the police.

[@ddblech1]

I don't see a problem with this. This is good technology that works.

[@Socomnick]

great tool

[@adamvoigt14]

2:35 - 3:00 Wtf...

[@justamenacetosociety7194]

This is fucked up on so many levels

[@Christinebanks11]

Don't consent !

[@TruVlogTv]

that is sick. disgusting. god what have we come to

[@ROCdevelopments]

In Europe they don't even need your consent.

[@curtiscurt]

Personally who cares if they have your DNA, data on the other hand is what bothers me

[@hikeran1994]

guilty until until proven innocent

[@obsoleteoptics]

This is what a police state looks like. Fred Harran must resign immediately!

[@illdrumatik391]

1984 Is Really 2016

[@jeffreyrichardson]

double helix trace billy smile in your face scotts mikes state of grace

[@rayreeves4681]

2:47 - 2:57 should suffice.

[@AshishGupta-ql9lq]

USG is going to clone humans #sarcasm

[@stevensuperrainbow3821]

"If you're innocent your DNA will prove that you're innocent." Oh god either he is totaly blind or too naive to see how america works...

[@johnferguson8794]

sounds like a shit idea just put radio trackers on ppl if that's your intent smh

[@grantgordon4384]

rearry?

[@marble296]

Those cops seem so crooked to me

[@phantomthiefirwin9631]

O.M.G. Vice admitting a Conservative was correct on something what is happening...

[@bobothedon]

Is it that cheap to do ?

[@bobothedon]

At least they can tell me if I am sick of I volunteer and they can discover hidden illness?

[@holeindanssock156]

And????

[@blakekoch4080]

Holy Shit I live in Bucks county

[@mannyman1012]

We should be like the Native Americans and contemplate how this would affect us, as in the people who are being swabbed, 7 generations from now. If they can keep genetic code indefinetly and can compare family members based on genetic code, imagine 7 generations from now. Me, shut this down!

[@jamelhunter]

What happen to innocent until proven guilty